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early morning for you. thank you for watching. that's it for me. "hardball" starts right now. oh, boy. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews in aspen, colorado again. once again we begin with a presidential tweet. the leader of the free world lost his temper on morning television hosts. he called joe scarborough a psycho and derided mika brzezinski's i.q. about a facelift. again, fellow americans, these we tweets from the country's head of state himself. they come on a day when his revised travel ban goes into effect and during a week had his
biggest legislative proposal, the overhaul of health care, failed to even get to a vote in the u.s. senate. and president trump's comments were condemned by a number of republicans today. let's listen. >> we're not going to get along. but we have to treat each other with respect and civility. and the president's tweet was completely inappropriate. >> i think it is inappropriate. i think it is wrong. the tweet speaks for itself. >> should the president apologize? >> if it were me, one, i wouldn't have done it if it were me. i would. tweets like this are inconsistent with the greatness of the country and the office. >> i'm just embarrassed, embarrassed isn't the right word. i just regret it. it doesn't astonish me because it isn't the first time that
he's attacked various people that he has disagreement with so i'm not surprised but i'm disappointed. >> congresswoman lynn jenkins of kansas tweeted, this is not okay. been sasse said please just stop. this isn't normal and it is beneath your office. inappropriate. undignified. under presidential. senator lisa murkowski wrote, stop it. the presidential platform should be used for more than bringing people down. and sarah huckabee sanders said he's a fighter. >> i think the president has been attacked mercilessly on personal accounts by people on that program. he has been very clear when he gets attacked, he will hit back. i think the american people elected someone who is smart, tough and a fighter.
that's donald trump. and i don't think it is a surprise to anybody that he fights fire with fire. he is not going to sit back and be attacked by the liberal media, hollywood elites, when they hit him, he'll hit back. >> hollywood elites. i'm joined by andrea mitchell, and katy tur, eugene robinson, and charlie dent of pennsylvania. i want to go to katy tur. you've had to deal with this president -- i should say our president, you've dealt with him in the same ring atmosphere where he is very close to you in terms of his swing, his reach, his punch definitely this surprise you today at all? >> no. it isn't surprise me. donald trump said he would be more presidential when he was elected. he has not been more presidential. that's not the way he operates. that's not who he is. he is exactly the same person now as he was on the campaign trail. and speaking to members, people
close to him and close to the white house today. they were saying that the white house feels like it is under siege. the president himself feels like he is being attacked all the time. so when it comes to taking on twitter and lobbing a personal attack against a morning anchor, most people in this country, most members of congress were able to ask today found it d distasteful and beneath office that he holds. the white house feels they need to do this, to equalize things, to combat what they feel are the attacks coming from the press. let me break it down. the attacks coming from the press are us reporting on stories that are out there. us reporting on a federal investigation into this administration and the campaign, and whether it had, excuse me, the campaign, and whether hit any ties to russia leading up to the election. any ties to russia and the hacking. and an investigation now into this president about whether he
obstructed justice. those are just facts and those are facts are being reported on. we're also holding the white house accountable. and calling they will out on their inconsistencicies, their false hoods, their lies, and if the white house and the president have a problem with that, that's unfortunate. that's just the status quo. that's the way things are in this country. that's the way they've always been. >> congressman charlie dent, there is old world politics, richard nixon was pretty smart about this kind of stuff. he said never shoot down. always shoot up. people let's you're a heavyweight if you fight with a heavyweight. why would the president get into the ring with two morning anchors? i'm not knocking them but they're not president of the united states. together they're not president of the united states. why would he get into a fight? it is bad politics. that's what it is. >> i agree with that assessment. first let me say that i learned
a long time ago, if you have a disagreement with somebody, disagree on the policy. don't resort to an ad hominem attack. i can't explain why anybody would do that. you're president of the united states. this is beneath your office. i don't know why he who is the engage. >> how does world think of this? he is getting into a peeing match, to be honest. they're not heads of state, not president of the united states, they're not head of the senate. >> it diminishes him. managing mccain, paul ryan, pin your republican are criticizing there and he is going to the g-20 next week. angela merkel is hosting that. she was criticizing him today. she is not one to lob criticism
at other heads of state. the fact she who carefully guards her words this is a real reflect of the way he is being held around the world. that's in low regard. >> he would attack government officials doing their job or journalists running for the afric "a" section, people like andrea. they deliver the facts and the facts offend him. they bother him. i thought he didn't want to get into fights with they will. everybody has their own opinions. this is stupid. what's the point of writing with somebody's opinion? they're still going to have their opinion and you just look like one of them. another guy with an opinion. it doesn't make sense. >> sometimes these statements are on twitter. that's what they are.
we call them tweets. these statements by the president of the united states to my mind carrying more the weight than statements coming out of press office. sometimes they are strategic or tactical. there's some reason for them perhaps. maybe you write about going after the hard news. i think this frankly is a reflection of poor impulse control. i think he saw something on morning joe this morning that he didn't like it. it set him off and he lashed back. inappropriate is not the word. the disgusting way. i worry. this worries me that the president of the united states, the most powerful man in the world, can't control his impulses. >> is this sinatra who will get into a fight with any guy in the men's room? or is it a pitch here is too much in the sfwhukt too close to the bat to the home plate?
is this rational or irrational? >> this looks irrational to me. this looks irrational to me. i don't see any reason for it. among republican senators who are clearly offended and took to twitter to criticize the president. susan collins and lisa murkowski, two of the senators he needs if he's going to get this health care bill passed. >> they are two grown-ups. they have joined my pantheon of grown-ups lately. look at this. watch this guy. we all know this. here he is tweeting today. and it fits a pattern that he has been repeatedly mocking the appearance of we will. this is a pattern. this is not gambling. this casino has had gambling for years. >> she gets out and she starts asking me all sorts of ridiculous questions. you can see there was blood
coming out of her eyes. blood coming out of her wherever. er she was the winner. she gained a massive amount of weight. and it was a real problem. >> started kissing her. i'm automatically attracted, i start kissing they will of the it is like a magnet. when you're a star, they let you do it. you can do anything. grab them by the -- last night we heard a new claim that i made inappropriate advances during the interview to this writer. take a look. you take a look. look at her. look at her words. you tell me what you think. i don't think so. i don't think so. >> donald trump said the following about you. look at that face. would anyone vote for that? can you imagine that? the face of our next president? >> i think women all over this country heard very clearly what mr. trump said. >> i think she has a beautiful face and i think she is a
beautiful woman. >> an objective track record on this guy. is it all looksism? is that it with him? is it just about appearance? not who you are as a person? or who he is as an equal person? and blood. what is this thing with blood and bleeding? i'm sorry. it is unusual behavior. >> i don't know what his thing with blood or bleeding is. it is the second time he's brought this up. you can show that video and i think it is very clear that there is a pattern of donald trump talking about looks and talking about women a certain way. i want to be clear. he goes after a lot of people and he calls a lot of people names. not just women. certainly the women that he does attack, he tends to attack them in a more physical way. you can say that. when he was going after carly fiorina. a lot of people are thought his response that she was a beautiful woman was
inappropriate as well. not just going after her about what he didn't like but also her qualities on stage as presidential candidate. he had a problem with women on the campaign. he had a problem making sure women wanted to vote for him and it didn't help that he was going after hillary clinton in a crude and class way. saying she didn't have the strength or stamina to be president and it didn't help that many of his supporters would wear shirts with language that i can't repeat on television. but he won a good portion of white female supporters. they turned out for him. we're going to have to see if this changes anything when it informs to his support. what they've taken is something fair. he needs to fight for himself even when it comes to comments like that. they even defend those. so i'm not sure what's going to break.
>> i think he's choosing his targets, he's choosing the media. it really, really pleases the his base to beat up on the media and do it in a crude way. he clearly is losing support among republicans in the senate. they are disgusted by it. they find it not presidential in the least. these presidential documents. these cannot be dismissed as tweets. they're presidential documents because they are utterances of the president. sometime they are strategic, they are tactical. when he tweeted a couple weeks ago that china had disappointed him by at least trying but not succeeding in getting north korea are not to respond, they launched tough sanctions against a chinese bank. that is long awaited, overdue, the right policy, many critics have said. not done by the obama team. so he was indicating the run-up
to this warning to china. and that was a tweet that a lot of us read correctly as a warning that secondary sanctions were coming with a visit by the south korean president. but this kind of tweet. we've seen a little restraint since john dowd has been hired by the defense are team of he's not being beaten one the legal jeopardy that puts him in but he is going after the media. >> let's to go lehi, pennsylvania. you represent the key state, looking to the future politically. what do people, how did they put it together? i know from my family growing up, the mother, often. she knows what's in the health care package, what kind of shots they've had, are they're very focused. it is just the way it is. so women voters throughout who
to think about health care every day of their lives, how long their husband will make it, what's covered and what's not, we have a president who seems to degrade women. how is that clicking in lehi valley, pennsylvania? those two things coming together. >> i don't think a lot of my constituents are real happy about the mocking and insulting comments. they're also very distracting. this is energy week. is anybody talking about energy? no. he also tweeted out other things, too. something on sugar policy. that was substantive. for my district, it is a very bad deal. i would like to have a discussion about that but we can't because we're talking about these tweets against joe and mika brzezinski. people want to us get on with the business of the day.
the side shows are really not helpful. >> i love it. sweet home allentown. thank you very much. coming up, a meltdown in the trump camp. catch this. secretary of state rex tillerson explodes at a white house meaning for undermining. and they say the people around him are screwing him. a far cry from that love feast a few weeks ago. with all the people bowing to the president. apparently all is not well in paradise. how much of a distraction is this for the party? and trump's travel ban goes into effect tonight. we'll have the latest on that.
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i would like to go faster. thank you. >> that's putting it lightly. welcome back. reported tensions between trump cabinet members and trump white house staff have been simmering cynic day one of this presidency. now it seems at least one cabinet member has reached a breaking point rext tillerson lost his come poesh our friday in a scene that earned him a reprimand from jared kushner. the report says the normally la connick texan unloaded on johnny, the head of the presidential personnel office, for torpedoing proposed nominees to senior state department posts. they gathered in had reince priebus's office leaving them silent as tillerson raised his
voice. quote, the encounter was so explosive that kushner approached and said it was completely unprofessional. it is the latest in a series o posts. it is also a far cry from the image tillerson and the other officials put out this month. watch this scene. >> mr. president, thank you for the only had to serve the country. a great privilege you've given me. >> i can't thank you enough for the privilege you've given me. >> i want to thank you for getting this country moving again. and also, working again. >> we thank you for the opportunity and the blessing you've given us to serve your agenda and the american people. >> joining me now, a columnist with "the new york times." and ashley parker is a white house reporter. thank you for joining us. a fact check here, do we know
who is in charge at the state department? is the secretary of state allowed to pick the assistants for those posts or does the white house staff get to do it? >> it is a combination. he went in with an understanding that he would be able to operate autonomously. that he would be able to pick his own staff. there have been stove pipe block. the white house has vetoed his choices, because they were democrats or some people had been critical of the president during the campaign. and by the same token, the white house is incredibly frustrated that some of these political positions they've sent over, some of these ambassadorships they think are sitting on his desk and not getting signed. >> but tunneled hillary situation, the deal she cut with president obama, she got to pick all the top people with the exception of sid blumenthal. a person who caused trouble with obama. yet obama got to pick all the top, juicy ambassadorships.
this is really amateur and an example across the board of this government's problem. >> i think this is with a tillerson expected going in. that he would have the autonomy to pick who he wanted. of course, he is the top democrat. he is representing president trump's wishes. he would be able to operate freely and that's not what happened. that's what led to this blow-up. i think it is an example. at the end of the day, everyone gets brought into it. >> this is president of the united states. they can't pick anybody to run. how can you put anybody, give accountability to someone if they don't get jobs. we have a state department which is vacant. >> the treasury is understaffed as well. >> there's nobody there because
the president doesn't like the people who may have said something nasty. >> is jared kushner, the son-in-law? >> largely, all signs to date. it is very large. you would think if you pick someone like tillerson, who has been the ceo of one of the biggest, richest companies in the world, you would not expect him to roll over and be micro managed. you have a white house are that is led by a person who isn't detail oriented at all. we've got reports of senators going in to speak to him and he doesn't seem to know the d.c. of the health care bill. this president is the opposite of a detail oriented person. >> he believes he's been
undermined. rex is exhausted. he can't get any of his appointments approved and is running around the world cleaning up after a president whose primary foreign policy adviser is a 36-year-old amateur. i'm allowed to have opinions and one of my opinions is that nepotism is a bad idea. you put uday and qusay in and nobody will get anything done. he can to go his father-in-law or his wife and say they were mean to me. do something. it is a disastrous decision from day one. now we find kushner in the middle east, brokering the middle east peace process. and meanwhile, he is doing what in the power seems to have gone to the son-in-law, the role anovs. >> is it a royal family instead
of a democratic party? or is it a family? is it ivanka and jared upstairs ruling the world? >> i don't think it is quite that but i think it is run like a family business. the president and his aides see it publicly and privately. his children, especially ivanka and jared kushner, they operate with a degree of impunlt that does not exist for these other aides. if you look at just jarrod and tillerso tillerson, jared emerged, it includes china and mexico and canada. that's just on the foreign policy front. if you're the secretary of state, ambassadors and leaders of will foreign countries know thekt go electricity toy had i am. >> then you find out that jared was opening up a tunnel to
moscow are. one thing did he was execute his son-in-law. that was an extreme measure. but this is a strange situation. >> this story is a lot bigger than tillerson. we've had sessions had to resign. we know other cabinet members have been questioned, count he imagin, counter manned. they're constantly being questioned by the boss. they don't feel like their jobs are secure. i shudder to think when there is turnover in this cabinet, who would want to work in the snarmt usually the president has plenty of people to choose from. >> what's worse? this or the tweeting?
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distract from the health care debate. i want to be part of the debate that's affecting the american people. when it comes to tax reform and health care, that's where we should be focused. >> in new york, the measure of success is getting money. in washington, the measure of success is getting attention. thenls constant washington incentive to be theatrical, historionic and hyperbolic. thank you all. what do you think about this thing that happened with the president? his tweets this morning about mika brzezinski and morning joe? the words used when he referenced the whole thing did he, the graphic nature and what many would consider talking about anybody. your thoughts?
>> politically, the impact is that it makes the life of the republican who's are trying to pass legislation so much harder. there are so many people who didn't want to be on this health bill from the senators. now you have susan collins and the senator from alaska trying to think, first, this is not appropriate for the president to say that it is not normal. second, is this someone it really want to get behind and on completion he probably won't support if it goes badly. so it is a distraction that what they're trying to do. and two, i think it makes it harder to get the support are. >> i think another issue that you have to think about too, it feels a little bit like we're at one of these breaking points with donald trump. he has these moments. during the campaign, just showing his very worst self. for the most part, that kind of,
that has been contained. but now, yet again, we're seeing what people feared the most about a trump presidency. and this is the kind of completely unhinged and very cruel commentary. what i thought was quite stunning is the sent to which republicans who haven't really spoken out about trump in the past, you suddenly saw that today. and i think that's a pretty significant shift. >> chris, capitol hill has a way of tuning this sort of thing out. tuning most of the president's tweets out. they want to do their thing and they view it as a distraction. this is one of the moments where republican does come out and condemn him. i don't think it will have a meaningful impact. i think this is priced on who he is. he has done this in the past. every one who pays close attention on politics knows this about him. and the people support him anyway. even though they don't like this
conduct, they share his agenda. they want to cut taxes and repeal the affordable care act. two sets of supporters who i met on the campaign trail while covering donald trump, one where the sorts of people who like that he says these sorts of things because it signals to him that he can't be bought by anybody. that he plays by his own rules. this is mostly women. they're willing to tolerate this. they think at the end of the day, he is looking out for they will. one woman told me, i want to smack him sometimes but i'll still vote for him. >> let's talk about the more serious thing we talked about. when we talked about the fact it is complete chaos. who is calling the shots, is rex tillerson or jared kushner? mussolini's foreign secretary and his son-in-law. it turns out he was making secret deals with the allies. so churchill thought it was interesting that he was executed
by mooussolini for doing that. we have chaos. who is calling the shots on u.s. foreign policy? jared kushner, the son-in-law? i've always had a problem with this nepotism thing. or is at this time president who should be overseeing the dividing calls of who should be or shouldn't be calling the shots? >> i think it is hard to say. the president is calling the shots. he had somebody, he is a person who is driving all the policy, all the decision making, the tone of this administration. i think if you had to put rex tilg or jared kushner in a room, i think it is jared kushner. he is the son-in-law. at the end of the day, rex tillerson has to take a back seat to jared. and the interesting thing is that jared has the huge portfolio that is growing by the day.
he is also chief economic -- like so many other roles in the white house. i don't think he is just possibly the shadow secretary of state. >> i remember when -- valerie -- the valerie -- she was the president -- jarrett. she came down on billy daly, chief of staff. it was pretty clear she was calling the shots with the last president. jared can criticize the secretary of state's behavior in a meeting, it sounds like he really is, in his own eyes, the boss. >> and i think what you were saying about the broad portfolio that jared has, actually makes it very difficult for him to play all these roles. and who is up and who is down at this particular moment, that may come and go. but you have to remember that rex tillerson has at his disposal the enormous power of the state department. and they are people who have
relationships with him and are used to going through some sort of regular order. so he commands a much larger ship. jared might be able to move in and out in his little speedboat. but tillerson is in charge of the ship of state. he has the staffing. even if jared has the ambition and the power and the ties, he won't have the band width. he doesn't have the giant flotilla. >> yes or no. who is the boss? jared kushner or the secretary of state? who is the boss this foreign policy? >> i think people with the most approximate it to the president tend to have the most influence. he is a mercurial figure. we know he is not someone with a tremendous amount of almost or regard for institutional structures. he ran as someone who would smash the status quo. there are certain channels and ways of doing this that this president has abided by. president trump does his own thing. he does what he is convinced to do. >> maybe the ship of state but i think it is the good ship chaos. the round table is sticking with
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we're back with the "hardball" roundtable. anyway, i was trying to pro announce your nail before i got to you. tell me something i don't know. >> the president has been renewing, the president's organization has been renewing urls that might indicate where he is going next. he revealed ukraine.com and trump betting ukraine.com and venezuela. so he wants to start businesses in ukraine and venezuela. >> so this shows he has a hand in business? >> it means the trump organization is thinking about these countries. the president himself is not the one making these decisions, supposedly. but his company is still looking at russia and ukraine as places they want to do business and keep those urls. >> it is always tricky when it
is russia. >> the viewers are very familiar with turning to politics for a minute. your viewers are very familiar with seth moulton, the massachusetts congressman, who has been quite harsh toward nancy pelosi leading the charge, suggesting pits time for her to go. what i think people didn't know, a few short months before he started his public criticism of her, he was quite laudatory to the speaker, writing her a hand written three-page thank-you note thanking her for preferring the his plum committee assignment to his intern. so back in september she was looking quite good and democrats were looking powerful. and that has shifted quite a bit. >> well, i worked for tip o'neill for six years. i think she is better disciplined and bringing in votes than anybody in modern history. she is something else. your thoughts. tell me something. >> chris, the senate republican health care bill that party
leaders scrambling to get the votes to pass includes $50 billion for an insurance stabilization fund. for it's insurance companies, a very similar provision was in obamacare and republicans called it a bailout. now it is a temporary stabilization fund that they support. it shows you how the political pendulum swings when a party is out of power versus in power. >> they elected bhoek it was a heritage foundation product and then they didn't like when it it had his name on it. thank you all for great ideas. coming up next, the hollywood producers join me. this is "hardball" where the sacks. ying) ♪ fly ♪ me to the moon (elegant music) ♪ and let me play
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value system. i have kids. so i care about that a lot. i care about character. a lot of the movies that we've done deal with character. >> what i like is, if you're a parent, you're always a parent. no matter what they get in. it is a great line. i'm still the father. these are great things. in all the mishmash of the fighting over politics. there are at least a number of issues from pennsylvania and the west side of new york can agree on. the underdog. >> so the movies that we do, or television, they are not left or right. they access it. >> where do you mark it best? where do they do well? >> apollo 13 did well in the center of the country. eight mile or empire did well on the exterior part of the
country. in the big 60s. chicago, new york, california, los angeles. to the extent that i've never done anything exempt for fro "frost/nixon" with politics, we just gary the role model value system that is something we respect and care about. that movie that did you, i thought it was one of the few times people tried to understand nixon in a way he saw himself. people see themselves differently than the world does. you tried to see how he saw himself. he is one of the two interesting presidents in a hundred years, they're interesting people. it want to know more about them. there is something that is, what is that guy about? in our movie you see this. it goes full circle.
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politics. how do you trust the judgment of a commander in chief who makes judgments like this? how do you rely on the dignity of a head of state when they don't appreciate the rank of their own office? there's not much more to say. is there? that's "hardball" for now. tonight on "all in" -- >> russia if you're listening, i hope you can find the 30,000 e-mails that are missing. >> the first concrete evidence that trump associates may have engaged in collusion with russia. >> it could be russia but it could be china. it could be lots of other people. >> i don't know why the republicans, they can tolerate almost anything. >> the republicans try to distance themselves. >> i don't see it as an appropriate comment. >> as president trump once again shows -- >> where are you from