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this bill passes. without it, my daughter could die from seizures. look at her face. tell me, senator heller, what am i supposed to do? >> meanwhile, lawmakers are coming face-to-face with their constituents for the first time since the senate republicans' effort to repeal and replace obamacare. here's how republican senator bill cassidy responded as a town hall in louisiana yesterday when pressed on whether he will vote for the bill. >> by kicking off their health care, that's cruel, sir. i think what you need to do as a louisianian is go back to washington, d.c. and stand up for the people here and saying we need our health care. >> i am doing my best to make sure that we continue coverage, care for those with preexisting conditions, eliminate mandates, and lower premiums. >> senate majority leader mitch mcconnell is pushing back against president trump's proposal to repeal obamacare now and then replace it down the
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road. he told reporters after an event in kentucky last night, "the republicans are going to stick with their current plan." mcconnell's comments come as a group of senators are asking him to cancel the august recess so they can work on health care as well as other priorities. let's go live to the white house, nbc's kelly o'donnell reporting there. she's in the new jersey area near the president's golf club in bedminster. you're on the road, kelly, welcome to you. let's talk about the president's tweet on health care. mitch mcconnell pushing back right now. where does this all stand? >> reporter: well, alex, good to be with you again. it's always a mobile white house, so we're back in new jersey for another weekend. the president's tweet sort of throws a wrench in things. we don't really know what his intention was. the white house says his own thinking about what needs to take place has not changed, that he does believe in repeal and replace. a couple of senators have talked
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about do the repeal piece first and then do separate work on how to come up with a bill that could even include some democrats for a new structure to the insurance markets and for a replacement to the obamacare law. the president, needing a big victory in the legislative area, he's had none so far, no big signature item, so this is pushing the ball forward. however, listen to mitch mcconnell. he runs the senate floor. he is on top of what his members are talking about. so we're getting from his comments, when he's back home in kentucky, that he does not intend to take that step. was it the president just sort of dropping something to say, is that worth talking about? was he just trying to get attention? we just don't know. mitch mcconnell says conversations are continuing within the republican party on the senate side to come up with something. it has been elusive. there are many republican senators who have great concerns about what would happen to changes in medicaid, other things that might after the number of people who are insured
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through the obamacare law. again, people who don't have work-based health insurance or seniors who are not on medicare, which is separate from all of that. the president is stirring a bottom a b the pot a bit, which we know he likes to does. >> he does. he tweeted today, "numerous states are refusing to give information to the very distinguished voter fraud panel. what are they trying to hide?" where does this all stand, kelly? >> reporter: this is a surprise to the administration. the president formed this commission headed by the vice president but practically being run by kris kobach, the secretary of state in kansas. it's state-based secretaries of state who run elections. part of what they're looking is the degree of irregularity in
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the voting that occurred in november 2016, in the current voter rolls. the president has alleged there was widespread voter fraud. there is no evidence to back that up. he of course lost the popular vote and won the electoral college. and so this is perhaps his way of trying to find out was there some sort of a spike that benefitted hillary clinton that was improper. no evidence of that. but the commission is looking at the situation. the problem is states, more than two dozen so far, say they won't turn over their voter registration rolls. and people who do sign up to vote give their name and address and social security number, sometimes their party affiliation is also requested. private information. but it is publicly available. but states are saying no, they don't want to give the federal government that, it should be handled by the states and shouldn't be in some federal database. there is real pushback against this commission set up by the president, alex. >> a couple of dozen states, in fact. thank you so much, we appreciate that, kelly o'donnell in new jersey for us.
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conservative kerry sheffield, and peter emerson. big welcome to you both. we'll go ladies first, kerry. let's talk about the president's tweets, five of them out today, three of them digs at news outlets including this network. how can he expect to get anything done on policy, and there's a lot of policy he has on his agenda, when he spends so much of his time on twitter feuds? >> the president is fulfilling two roles at this point. the kennedy school and the harvard center have showed there is overwhelmingly negative press coverage, 90% plus negative press coverage of president trump. trump basically is being his own defense lawyer within the press, in addition to having a policy agenda. he's having to do two things at once. i give him props for that. that being said, i don't think the tweeting in such a negative, harsh way, he's not on the campaign anymore. he doesn't need to punch down
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like that. you don't punch down when you are the president. it's just beneath your office in that way. that being said, i think he makes very valid points about the fact that hollywood, the media, is so leftist. look at the political donations from the left. it is so limited in one way. it's hypocrisy for them to say they believe in diversity. they don't believe in ideological diversity. president trump is calling them out for that and i give him props for that. >> you say president trump is playing defense attorney. would you hire him to be your defense attorney? >> it's such hypocrisy. the left believes they have the moral high ground. but when you have someone on the cnn payroll for years holding up a bloody head of the president of the united states, that is fundamentally immoral, on the cnn payroll, as well as the fact that cnn -- >> alex, may i jump in, please?
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>> you absolutely may. >> i would like to jump in. >> peter can go ahead. >> i find this incredibly ironic and also disingenuous. the headline that kerry put on top of the harvard study was, harvard proves steven bannon correct. well, by her standards, then given the study, which was a broad look at negativity, and by the way, "the wall street journal" was, quote, 70% against trump. but the headline doesn't meet what the study actually proves. for instance, we would all agree the tweets against mika brzezinski have been roundly condemned by everyone, by republicans, conservative, left, right, libertarians. and consequently, the coverage of those tweets has been negative. but it doesn't mean they're not accurate. so it's disingenuous to pull a
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figure out like that and use it. and second, that study did not include radio, which we all know is primarily conservative talk radio. if radio had been included, it would have been skewed positive for trump. but just because something is viewed as negative doesn't mean it's not accurate. >> look, peter, let's listen to team trump. they've been out there in force for the president. let's take a listen to some of what's been said. >> the president has been attacked mercilessly by members of that program. it's clear when he gets attacked, he's going to hit back. >> i endorse the president's right to fight back when he is being mercilessly attacked. >> today the president acted like a human and pushed back. >> peter, kerry will appreciate this question. do they have a point, does the president have a right to defend himself? >> there is the office of the
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president. and there's the bible upon which donald trump took the oath of office. that's the most sacred obligation he has, in addition to protecting the united states of america. he's the commander in chief. to go after individuals is not only spurious but it's also, how do i say, so inhuman. but -- >> i'm sorry. peter, peter -- >> the question i want to ask you is this. he has directed some of his toughest tweets towards women. >> exactly. >> you heard those two spokespeople vigorously defending them, women. i'm talking about kerry. >> i think the president is an equal opportunist in terms of how he hits back. for peter to pull in the bible, jesus had some harsh, harsh words for the pharisees.
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>> i don't have time for a bible lesson, kerry. what is being said and defended by the women in the trump administration? are you comfortable with that? >> i told you, i disagree with -- i think the president went too far. but i agree that the president does have a right to defend himself from the fact that there is this liberal onslaught. if you want to talk about "the wall street journal," more than half the people who are actually in the newsroom are democrats, when you look at their political donations, so it matches up with their world view and ideology. >> how about this -- hang on a second, peter. kerry, if you're in the white house or congress and trying to get policy goals accomplished, how do you deal with a president who sometimes seems to be actively blocking your efforts, and how long before your patience runs out? >> i do agree it can be a distraction. your prior guest pointed out, this actually gives something to talk about that is other than just having vie vituperous town
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halls. there is utter hypocrisy by the liberals, by hollywood. >> peter? >> i would like to share with your views what kerry actually said on tv about journalists. she said that today's journalists have never worked a day in their life. they've never gotten their hands dirty. them namby-pamby hands. those are her words. >> sure. >> they've gone to ivy league schools. i would recommend, kerry, that you call up daniel pearl's widow, a colleague from "the wall street journal," who gave his life in pakistan. he was beheaded. he didn't go to an ivy league school. or david blum of nbc who died in iraq trying to report the facts
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so americans wouldn't lose their lives. then you should call up his widow as well. >> you know what -- >> and by the way, david blum did not go to an ivy league school either. >> i have been for years a volunteer with reporters without borders. that is real journalism, exactly what you're talking about, people who are giving their lives for public service. what i am calling out is the hypocrites who have denied what the trump voters have been signaling, which is that the elite institutions of media, the elite institutions of universities, have denied the common sense of middle america. and that is the moral authority of trump. >> last word, peter? >> last word is that it's simply, when you are constantly lying to the american public, you're doing the very constituency with whom you have a covenant, those people that kerry talks about, the blue collar workers who are unemployme unemployme
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unemploy unemployed, you're robbing from them, you're stealing from them. kellyanne conway says if they fall off of medicaid, they can just get a job. that's the cynicism you're dealing with. it's awfully difficult to talk about when you have alternative facts. >> thanks for joining me, you guys have a good holiday weekend. former presidential candidate jill stein on the russian investigation. one of the committees investigating wants to talk to her. ...this is humira. this is humira helping to relieve my pain... ...and protect my joints from further damage. humira has been clinically studied for over 18 years. humira works by targeting and helping to... ...block a specific source... ...of inflammation that contributes to ra symptoms. it's proven to help relieve pain and... ...stop further joint damage in many adults. humira can lower your ability to fight infections,
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a new twist today in the house russia probe. michael caputo, a trump campaign adviser, has agreed to speak to the house intelligence committee in a closed session later this
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month. caputo lived in russia for several years in the 1990s and worked as a consultant for a russian conglomerate. he has denied collusion with russian officials. joining me, dr. jill stein, of course former presidential candidate for the green party. ma'am, welcome back, nice to see you again. >> thank you, alex, nice to be here. >> you've gotten caught up in the russian probe after this picture surfaced of you sitting at the same table as vladimir putin and michael flynn at the state-sponsored event for russian television. why do you think this is all coming up now? >> yeah, i think it's coming up now in part because the democrats aren't doing so well and they're looking for scapegoats. they're blaming jim comey. they're blaming myself, bernie sanders, everyone they can think of other than themselves cause they lost a thousand seats in the state legislatures. they've lost two-thirds of the
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governors' seats. they've lost their four special elections. rather than, you know, looking at how the democratic party has failed working people, a generation of students locked in debt, you know, they're interested in blaming other people. yes, i was at a table where putin briefly came in, sat for a few minutes. however, there was no communication between the people who spoke english and the people who spoke russian at the table. he came to give a speech. i was at an rt conference, which was their ten-year anniversary, in order to communicate my message, which i delivered at every opportunity, to everyone i could throughout the campaign, and that is that the war in the middle east is an incredible, catastrophic disaster, and that russia in particular was following in the footsteps of this catastrophic u.s. war in the middle east. they had just begun bombing
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syria at the time. and i was there to propose that we do a 180 and that we collaborate in fact on a peace offensive, specifically a weapons embargo to the middle east, and a freeze on the bank accounts of those countries, our various allies, that continue to fund terrorist enterprises. >> all right. now, all of this you may have to repeat, because i'm sure you've heard congressman adam schiff, of course the ranked member of the intel committee, has recently said jill stein was also in russia attending the rt function, so we're going to need to look at any efforts the russians made through whatever means to influence our elections." >> i welcome any opportunity to share my insights. i myself launched an inquiry into interference in the elections and into hacking in the elections in the form of a
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recount, which is still seeking, actually, through the court of law and through followup litigation, to get our hands on the machines and the software. because what we do know is there was a whole lot of hacking going on. and a whole lot more has surfaced since the election. so, you know, it's important not to lose the forest through the trees here. there are real concerns about cybersecurity and there are real concerns about the security of our elections. so these fortunately are solvable problems. and in terms of cybersecurity, none less than the president of microsoft, brad smith, has been calling for months for a geneva summit on cybersecurity. because right now it's a wild west out there. we actually need rules, clear-cut rules to reduce the state of cyber warfare. it's not just russians, lots of others are implicated. witness the ransomweare emergeny
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that just took place. that happened because of u.s. hacking, the nsa was hacking -- i'm sorry, the cia was hacking and had these very valuable information which got leaked and then became the source of these global attacks. so we need to get a handle on cyber warfare. we also need to secure our elections system. that is simple also, paper ballots. go ahead. >> i'm curious, as i listen to you talk, these months later, seven or so months later, how do you perceive your role in the election? >> really critical. and, you know, i think if there's anything to regret in this election, it's the fact that the american people were given the two most disliked and untrusted candidates in our history. they were clamoring for more voices and more choices. in fact, 76% of americans were screaming to open up the debate
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so they could find out, did they have other choices, did they have a candidate, after bernie sanders was eliminated, in fact, did they have a candidate who would stand up for a $15 minimum wage, for bailing out the students like we bailed out the crooks on wall street. we have a generation locked in debt. to have a candidate who would stand up for health care as a human right, which is absolutely critical. so i think the regret is that we had a toxic election with a toxic result. now in between elections, it's very important to fix our election system. one of those fictions is going forward in the state of maine right now that actually allows people to rank their choices instead of just choosing one candidate. you can rank your choice knowing if your first choice loses, your vote is automatically reassigned to your second choice. that would eliminate the whole kind of lesser evil thing that so many people feel locked into, intimidated into voting for a candidate they don't really support.
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>> we'll see if that develops further in the state of maine. you mentioned health care, given the fact that you are a medical doctor, i want to get your take on the senate health care bill. we've heard democrats like elizabeth warren say it would literally kill people. in your mind, is it literally that bad? >> absolutely. in fact a study from one of the foremost journals in medicine, "the annals of internal medicine," recently reported that about 28,000 additional people will die every year from this trumpcare, which is not health care, it's wealth care. it's attack on children, on seniors, on the sick, on the disabled, for what? for a giveaway, a huge tax giveaway, tax favors to the very wealthy, half a trillion dollars. this is an incredible disservice. 22 million people will lose their health care. this is an outrage. the debate should not be between
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obamacare and trumpcare because they're both problematic. that's one of the things that's surfacing in this country is how badly people are hurting from obamacare as well. we need to move right now to the definitive solution, which is medicaid for all. it will cover everyone. it does not cost more. it essentially eliminates the paperwork, the bureaucracy, the red tape. and it's like 30% of your health care dollar now is being spent actually on that, on waste. this puts that money into real health care so we can cover everyone head to toe, cradle to grave, everyone in, everyone out. it's an outrage that we in the u.s. don't have that right now. we need to stand up and demand it. >> in this regard i will emphasize dr. jill stein. i appreciate it. >> great to talk to you, alex. coming up, the words that built america. coming up, part of the document none of the living presidents wanted to read, that's next.
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welcome back, i'm alex witt at msnbc headquarters in new york. breaking news to share from little rock, arkansas. [ gunshots ] that is the terrifying moment that gunfire erupted inside a nightclub overnight. police have confirmed 28 people have been injured, 25 of them from gunshot wounds. police fortunately say none of the injuries is life-threatening. police have not released a motivate f motive for the shooting. they say it is not terrorist-related. no arrests have been made at this time. sales of recreational
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marijuana have begun, as nevada becomes the fifth in the nation to allow the sale of marijuana. the state's 10% tax on pot is expected to raise $60 million over the next two years. all right. let's head back to politics now. a house democratic hearing this week examining the prospects of an obstruction of justice case against president trump. congresswoman sheila jackson lee, ranking member of the subcommittee on crime, held a hearing including lawyers who played significant roles in i n iran-contra and the clinton impeachment hearings. congresswoman, welcome to you. how is this different than what the house and senate intelligence committees are doing? >> the thing for americans to know is the judiciary committee of the house actually does have jurisdiction over things like
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obstruction of justice, any impeachment trials that were to come forward. the investigatory piece of that does rest with the judiciary committee. unfortunately we haven't been able to have any hearings under republican control. so house democrats decided that we should at least understand what were the conditions in various situations in the past, with nixon in watergate, with bill clinton and his impeachment, and then with the iran-contra affair. so we had the top attorneys, counsel on each of those cases, come and talk to us about what happened during those times, what were the things that led up, and what is congress' responsibility in investigating these kinds of issues. >> i'm curious, because in these times right now, the standard for impeaching the president in a partisan environment, look, republicans control the presidency. the house, the senate. what do legal experts tell you? >> well, i think what they said is, congress really must
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maintain authority over these investigations. and the judiciary committee and intel committees both have jurisdiction. remember, bob mueller is not actually an independent counsel. he does report up to the chain of command at the department of justice and the president. they emphasized how important any independent counsel is and how important it is to have an independent investigation. >> let's talk about your democratic colleague, jamie raskin, who is floating a bill to create an oversight commission on presidential capacity. the clause in the constitution was adopted after president kennedy was assassinated, to establish a procedure in case a president is incapacitated. do you think some might perceive this as some sort of cynical partisan act, if there's no actual proof that the president
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is incapacitated? >> i think the question is really what is the standard. and, you know, the more the president puts out tweets or conducts foreign policy just on a whim, the more he sort of engages the american public in actions that doesn't befit a president, i think it brings up these questions of, is he actually fit to be the president of the united states, and do we need to have independent assessment of that fitness or unfitness. i think that, you know, these are all pieces of how we expect a president to behave. and i think the big question here is still the question of obstruction of justice. did he do something that is really going to, you know, threaten the democracy of the american people and the constitution. and that i think needs to be -- needs to continue to be the focus. but i think the question of capacity, mental capacity, and
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assessing that, certainly seems to come out more and more with some of his actions. >> and i know we should say that would be a very complicated procedure. there would need to be members on both sides of the house, it is very complicated. >> i do think he tried to really make sure it was a bipartisan look at assessment. it would be sort of, in a way, independent assessment of his capacity. >> let's turn officially to health care now. and "the washington times" op ed writer byron york said it would be taking back something that government had already given to millions of americans. >> look, i think medicaid expansion provided health care to millions of americans across this country who needed health care. that's what happened. and yes, it is difficult to take something back once people have
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it. people now see that there are millions more people that are covered. and, you know, people think medicaid -- some people think medicaid is just for a certain type of person. in fact medicaid funds a majority of nursing homes around the country. it funds 60% of kids on disability who are covered through medicaid. it funds things like mental illness, opioid disorders, which have been at the forefront of the discussion. this is an important program that finally afforded red and blue americans, rule aral and u americans, the opportunity to be covered when they needed to be covered. that's what the republicans are dealing with right now. this bill would cut 22 million people off of health care. it's a travesty, from my perspective, in my view. i think the republicans are doomed, because americans understand they need health care. they want to fix some of the
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things that need to be fixed when you pass a giant bill like the affordable care act was. i think all of us would like to fix certain things. but nobody wants to take that away. we're really dealing with that situation right now. >> thank you so much and happy fourth of july. >> thank you. networks up, documentary filmmaker alexandra pelosi gets politicians and actors to read from the constitution, the declaration of independence, and the bill of rights. >> my best friend from this was chris christie. we had good conversations about the damage public life does to you. he was at one point 80% approval ratings, now he's down to 17. >> that interview coming up next. and president trump heads to europe next week. the kind of welcome he'll receive, especially from russian president vladimir putin.
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what do meryl streep, robert de niro and president trump have in common? all are taking part in a new documentary, "the words that built america," airing on july 4th on hbo. >> power shall be invested in a congress. >> the house of representatives. >> and the senate provide for the common defense. >> protect this constitution. >> faithfully execute. >> called in every case. >> the united states of america. >> i sat down with the film's director for a look behind the scenes. joining me now, the woman behind the film, journalist and documentary filmmaker alexandra pelosi. we've studied these documents in middle school. it was an extraordinary refresher to watch this and have incredible people, people to whom this really means
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something. i loved it. how did you come up with this idea? >>ally with it was right before the election. i was sitting down with sheila nevins, my boss at hbo. the question was, what would unite people? the founding documents, the only thing everybody will say yes to. some people will say how did you get presidents, vice presidents, the supreme court, senators? the answer is it's about the constitution. people don't think of some of these people as being in documentaries made by alexandra pelosi. it was the constitution that brought them together. >> you had actors, actresses, journalists reading the declaration of independence. then you move on to the constitution. you had elected officials doing that. then you go to the bill of rights. you have kids, just average americans reading that. particularly, though, the
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constitution. i'm curious if some people wanted to read certain parts versus others or how that worked out. >> of course i let the presidents choose what they would read. president trump wanted to read about the electoral college. the job of patchworking together was the challenge. jimmy carter wanted to read the whole thing. nobody wanted to read about impeachment. none of the presidents who had been -- so i had dick cheney do that. >> i love that you brought people from all walks of life and all political specteperspec together. particularly bush 41, seeing him, his health has been in question, yet we saw him there, valiantly reading. i loved that, that touched my heart. >> magical. people keep writing his obit uay
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and he keeps coming back to life. >> there is not a chance in you know what, but i'm going to reach out and this person will come on board? >> nobody expected with my last name that i would walk into the trump white house. i don't think he knew who i was. vice president pence was there too, no one said anything to me. >> what's that like for you? you bring up your mom, she's constantly under attack by this administration. is that hard for you? this is mom you're talking about. >> i think that anybody that goes into public life now, obviously a lot of news of the week comes out, i think people have to live with the fact and accept the fact that if you're going to go into public life, you just have to accept that you are going to be a target, and that you're going to be demonized and ridiculed and caricatured. that was the bond i had with a lot of republicans.
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people ask me, who did you make friends with? my best friend was chris christie. why? because we had really good conversations about the damage that public life does to you. he was at one point 80% approval ratings, now he's down to 17. the people are so fickle, the american voters are so fickle. and you could say whatever you want about the politics, this isn't a conversation about politics. this is about how you go up and down. every single person that appeared in my documentary, i genuinely believe are public servants, they genuinely believe they are serving the public, and they've all been hit. they hit each other, they spend hundreds of millions of dollars to destroy each other. my last name is a curse word. i have a sense of humor about it. >> talk about the takeaway for people, it's only 48 minutes long, some people may be thinking, who is going to read the declaration of independence and the constitution and the bill of rights. but it's 48 great minutes of reading. >> thank you. i feel like it's a civic responsibility. i know it sounds like homework, but that's why i used hollywood
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celebrities. you need meryl streep, you need morgan freeman, to bring people in. that's why they had the declaration of independence. it's like, lure them in and get people, just because. these documents that we use in the show are what this democracy is built on. this is the actual playbook. these are the rules of our democracy. and if you watch sports, you need to know the rules of the game, right? so for all the people that sit and watch cable news and have opinions, i feel like they need to know the rules of the game. the word "impeachment" gets used so often. what does that take? what does it take to get there? let's just look at the rule book. >> it's a great way to look at it. documentary filmmaker alexandra pelosi. the film is "the words that built america," airing tuesday, july 4th, on hbo. a group of republicans pleaded with mitch mcconnell to cancel the august recess so they can work on health care. the chances of that happening,
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this is publicly available information. the commission is only requesting what any person on the street in california can walk into a county election office and get. why not look at the data, it's publicly available data, and put the cards on the table and show the american public how significant the issue is. it's just fact finding. >> kris kobach defending the commission's request for voter role information, that includes your names, birth dates and the last four digits of social security numbers that was sent to states nationwide. at least 25 states are pushing back against that request, citing concerns over how that information could be used. let's bring in political reporter for the "los angeles times" and paul singer, washington correspondent for usa today. hey, guys, good to see you both. ladies first here. can the white house compel states to hand over this information? >> judging from the reactions we're seeing, i don't think so. as you said, you know two dozen
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states have said no and this is not democrats only. it's republicans as well. you know, you have democrats arguing that this is part of a witch hunt, you know, in terms of these alleged millions of voters who fraudulently voted that donald trump has talked about that we've seen no evidence of. but you have republicans like the mississippi secretary of state who brings up the idea of privacy and he literally told them that he would suggest that they go jump in the gulf of mexico. so there are privacy concerns as well. >> hey, paul, the president tweeted this morning about it. here's the quote. numerous states are refusing to give information to the very distinguished voter fraud panel. what are they trying to hide? so for him, is this all about proving his claim that 3 million people voted illegally? >> well, keep in mind that one of the states that is refusing to provide that information is kris kobach who is the secretary of state of kansas. he's refusing to provide his own request. because he said -- >> i just want to be clear, though. doesn't he say it's because there are laws in place that compel him not to do so?
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right? >> there's laws in place in all these states that compel them not to do so and the reason is that you're protecting the privacy of the american voters. there's states don't want to do this because they believe that it is a state-based function, not a federal function and the only reason president trump is advancing this cause is because he has a conspiracy theory at heart that he believes that he was cheated out of the popular vote, and they believe that he has some sort of agenda to try and monkey with their election systems and they don't want to play along. >> and i just want to double check. this is taxpayer money, right, guys, that's going to this? >> totally. >> in terms of what could happen, you've got the congressional black caucus joining these two dozen plus other states, crying foul over this request. they are writing in these letters to the national association of the secretaries of state. we have little doubt that if complied with, these letters issued unilaterally without any vote or public discussion would lead to an unprecedented
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nationwide voter suppression effort. so, where so, where is this all heading? >> when president donald trump appointed kobach to lead this commission in addition to vice president pence, kris kobach is a lightning rod in terms of voting rights advocates. people on the left really believe that he has really advanced voter suppression efforts in his state and they fear he's trying to do that in the rest of the states and in terms of the congressional black caucus, one of the groups that voting rights groups fear are for minorities and these proposals will disproportionately affect minorities. >> we got this group of ten gop senators who sent the letter to majority leader mcconnell yesterday asking for august recess to be canceled because they want time to work on the major agenda items. what do you think? is that going to happen? paul, you first. >> no. no. congress doesn't do anything without a deadline.
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the minute leader mcconnell moves his deadline, that is, by canceling the recess and saying we'll work through august, everything on the agenda just moves back another month. there's no reason for mcconnell to cancel this deadline now until we get to the day before recess and then he can say i'm going to keep you a couple extra days but no, i can't imagine him doing this. >> your thoughts? >> i agree. right now, they have 33 working days left before the end of the fiscal year, there's so much on the agenda that it's really difficult to see whether it's tax reform or repealing and replacing obamacare, funding the government, there's so many issues working on infrastructure, it's hard to see how all of that gets done by deadlines that have been set by the administration. >> real quick, paul. health care. are they going to get that done? that vote was supposed to happen this week and it didn't. >> we have absolutely no idea. at this point, it was a 50/50 toss-up. nobody can tell you whether they can figure out a way to split the baby and get a deal. >> well said. happy fourth, guys.
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and a good saturday to you, i'm keir simmons at msnbc world headquarters in new york. president trump is spending the weekend at his golf club in new jersey. the president also looking ahead to his second overseas trip since taking office. that will be the g20 summit in germany next week, a summit that will include a meeting with russian president vladimir putin. more on that meeting later this hour. president trump, though, also dealing with domestic issues this weekend. republicans' failure to repeal and replace obamacare before their holiday recess. and the refusal of nearly half of the states to hand over confidential voter data to the white house. panel investigating alleged voter fraud. but we begin


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