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flags. it's gotten a bit rowdy from time to time. tens of thousands of police there to control the situation. we'll go there live. president trump, meanwhile, arrived about three hours ago from warsaw, poland, just a short time ago. we can tell you that he met with german chancellor angela merkel. they shook hands in public, none of the obvious awkwardness that we saw the last time. later this hour the president scheduled to meet with the leaders of japan and south korea to talk among other things north korea. then there's tomorrow's headline event. the first face-to-face meeting between president trump and russia's president vladimir putin. we have reports and analysis on all of that, plus what the president said about russia, president obama, and the 2016 elections earlier today. but let's start with those protests. keir simmons on the grown. you can see on the right side of your screen walking with the protesters. we'll go to norah o'donnell in just a moment. keir, what are you seeing there?
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>> reporter: craig, we are now standing in front of the hardcore protesters, if you like, many of them covering their faces. they're all wearing black as you can see. i want to try to read what this -- g-20 welcome, i think this banner says. i don't think that's the idea, though, from these guys. and then if i just take you across in the other direction you're going to see that there is a developing standoff here with the german police who are fixed in a riot police line further back. if we just ask our cameraman to come this way, miguel, we'll just try and get the viewers a picture of how the police are responding to this just coming through the crowd here. you can see there are a lot of journalists in between the protesters and the police. but here we have a line of riot police who are determined to prevent those protesters from getting in that direction. why? because in that direction, that is where the world's leaders are
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me meeting, the g-20 leaders, that declared aim of the protesters that way is to disrupt the meeting, to prevent those world leaders from being able to conduct their business, which the protesters say, and they have named this protest "welcome to hell," they say that they are opposed to this meeting even taking place, many of them anarchists, anti-capitalists. so for a while there, just before you came to us, the protesters were moving along the street. now they have stopped, but it doesn't appear as if it's going to stop there, craig. >> keir, quickly, i know you mentioned some of these folks are ante capitalists, some anarchists. precisely what are they protesting? >> reporter: yeah. i think you're asking me about what kind of protesters are here. they're expecting 100,000 from across europe. spoke to some folks who came in
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from chile. so they are a disparate group with many aims and objectives and many of them are peaceful, but there is, according to the police, around 8,000 who have come specifically for confrontati confrontation, kind of confrontation we've seen at these meetings many times before many years past. if that confrontation happens, there has been sporadic violence with water cannon dispatched by the police. if that confrontation happens, i suspect standing here right now this is where the confrontation would take place. >> keir simmons, be safe. do stand by. we'd like to come back to you throughout the course of the hour if we can. kelly o., meanwhile, what's been the readout on the trip so far? >> reporter: well, now that we're at the hamburg portion are where the g-20 has so many layers to it, in poland we saw how the president was warmly received, he had a very specific message, especially about energy as it relates to russia.
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now it's more complex, the topics are greater, and we know that the president and chancellor merkel have had their first meeting. there was a brief glimpse where reporters, the traveling pool as we often talk, were able to get a little bit of imagery of the handshake. that handshake not only symbolic but especially important of this time because when chancellor merkel was in the oval office there was a much talked-about absence of a handshake where it appeared that host president trump did not extend that courtesy to her at that time. they since met in sicily at the g-7 and then now. she is the host of the g-20. so 19 nations and the european union coming together. this one-on-one meeting has many important ramification because merkel is such a strong figure on the world stage. she has been subtly critical of president trump. by that i mean not calling him out by name but very strong words of her displeasure with
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his views in arias like migration, trade, and certainly climate change where the president pulled out of the paris accord saying it was not a good deal for the united states. well, there's a very different view of that, especially in central europe. and angela merkel wants and needs to work with president trump on some of these eschissu. they have some common interests of course when it comes to north korea and the provocation and the gave concerns there which the president talked about a bit earlier today. then of course central europe is always concerned about the actions, the provocations, the aggressions shown by russia. so knowing that president trump will be meeting with vladimir putin tomorrow, that obviously is an important part of this as well. and so angela merkel had told her own parliament that there would not be easy conversations when leaders come together here in hamburg and it was widely viewed that she was referring specifically to the meeting that has just happened now. some reporters were only able to see a brief glimpse. the group of our larger white
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house corps, a small group was many the rotating pool that got to see that, then private time meeting with the two leaders. there had been some discussion of perhaps another photo opportunity at the end of that in which perhaps we'd be able to gauge body language, perhaps they would be willing to take a question or talk about what they discussed. we're told that is not happening at the request of the germans to not have another photo opportunity with the chancellor and the president. so tonight president trump will also meet with japan's prime minister and the president of south korea who he had just received in washington for a multiday visit. their meeting will be about north korea certainly and notably china's president is not a part of that but president trump and president xi will have a separate meeting. the fact you've got japan and south korea meeting with president trump minus china, there are a lot of diplomatic signals in that, that suggest china needs to do more. the president is frustrated with
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china not doing more to prevent further case from the north and we'll see how that plays out. day is late and we're six hours ahead of new york and washington, so not much left on the agenda but very substantive meetings on this first day with the president and first lady here in hamburg. >> kelly o., thank you. let's get back to keir simmons for just a moment. just after 7:00 in hamburg, germany. you can see the pictures. we don't have keir simmons just yet. but you can see the thousands, tens of thousands who have assembled. keep in mind according to keir a significant number of the folks you see there are members of law enforcement as well. they were fully anticipating this massive protest here ahead of the g-20 so it will riot police are out in full force on the ground there in hamburg,
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germany. also in hamburg, germany, our chief foreign correspondent richard engel has made his way there as well. richard, of course, tomorrow perhaps the most anticipated meeting of two world leaders in recent memory, president trump and vladimir putin. i know you've done some reporting here on what we can expect. what can you tell us about what we might see in this first face-to-face meeting? >> well, we've done a lot of reporting looking at exactly what is vladimir putin's russia these days. who is vladimir putin. how did he get to where he is. so what is this meeting likely to be like? what is this relationship likely to be like? to understand the meeting, you have to understand putin. putin is -- grew up poor. he lived in the tough streets in russia, pulled himself out of poverty because he had this dream of becoming a spy, joined the kgb, actually served here in
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germany, learned german. someone who is very efficient and was considered someone who's good at keeping secrets. he quietly rose through the ranks and ultimately ended up in power because all the people around him were too involved in corruption, they needed someone they could trust, needed someone they could rely on, and here was quiet, mysterious putin, who can always be relied on, who never says anything, he's not showy, he's got a poker face and suddenly he takes over the organization that was the kgb, the fsb, then takes over all of russia. he's very skilled. activists we spoke to, russian officials we spoke to say that president trump is going to face a very serious adversary and that president putin feels very comfortable with trump. they say that's why the russians were so happy that trump was elected president. there are multiple investigations now suggesting that the russians may have
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helped get president trump elected. so there's a lot at stake. this is not just a normal meeting between two world leaders. it's a meeting between two world leaders while one, the former head of the intelligence agency, is coming in feeling very confident, and the other, the u.s. president, is facing multiple investigations for having been manipulated by the other leader. >> richard, here's a man who has enjoyed a reputation as being a master of mind games. there's that story that surfaced a few days ago of when president putin met angela merkel some years ago, he knew that she was afraid of dogs and what does he do? shows up with his lab. based on what we know about interviews that have been conducted and perhaps through some of your own reporting, what can we glean from president putin's past statements in terms
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of his opinion of president trump? what do we know about how he feels about president trump? >> well, the impression that is consistently brought up to me is that putin is someone who understands power keenly. that he's a card player, effectively. he likes to gamble. he will push as far as he can. he will cheat if he can. he will stack the deck. he will try and read his opponent, and that he read in his opponent here, president trump, a weakness that he has a weakness for flattery, so the russian kremlin, the russian media, president putin have been going out of their way to praise president trump, to portray him as a victim. when you go to moscow these dais, and we've gone a lot to moscow recently, you hear the same kind of lines coming from the kremlin that you hear coming out of the white house, that it is the clinton administration, clinton remnants, the people who wanted president clinton to come into power, that they are using
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the intelligence agencies, they are using the media, they are using fake news to undermine poor president trump and not giving him a chance. so a lot of the same talking points that you hear in washington you're hearing in moscow right now. >> our chief foreign correspondent richard engel, also on the ground for us in hamburg, germany. richard, thank you. tomorrow night, don't his the first installment of the special series "on assignment with richard engel." our man on the ground there reporting from hamburg, germany. also spent some time in russia as well, examining president donald trump's first meeting with president vladimir putin. that's tomorrow 9:00 eastern only on msnbc. the biggest headline so far in president trump's visit overseas his comments this morning in poland about russian interference in the 2016 election. take a listen to what he told our hallie jackson about it at that joint news conference with the polish president.
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>> i think it was russia, but i think it was probably other people and/or countries, and i see nothing wrong with that statement. nobody really knows. nobody really knows for sure. but my big question is why did obama do nothing about it from august all the way to knoch? he did nothing about it and it wasn't because he choked. i think what happened is he thought hillary clinton was going to win the election and he said let's not do anything about it. had he thought the other way, he would have done something about it. >> more on that news conference including what the president said about north korea a little later in the broadcast. here to talk about what we just heard, a former u.s. ambassador to nato. and p.j. crowley is a former assistant secretary of state, also author of "red line." b.j., he won't definitively say it was just russia, maybe others as well, but it was certainly president obama who was trying to throw this election. what do you make of those remarks, p.j., given again, this
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big meeting with vladimir putin tomorrow? >> i think he probably gave vladimir putin some fresh material, you know, to work with. i mean, you have the two trumps. you have trump who did say today that, you know, russia is on the line, influence in the region, and you have trump saying that we don't know, you know, if russia among other countries interfered in the 2000 campaign. as richard suggested, you know, vladimir putin as a master tactician, you know, will try to exploit that in the meeting tomorrow. i think, you know, what trump has to try to do is focus on the strategic level and not get drawn into the tactical level. he needs to have a strong message for, you know, vladimir putin. we know what you did, knock it off. you know, whether he could rise to that occasion or not, we'll find out. >> as we're having this conversation again live pictures from hamburg, germany. this growing protest.
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ivo, how realistic is it to expect we're going to hear president trump do precisely what p.j. suggested that he do, say to vladimir putin, we know what you did, don't let it happen again? >> well, you know, donald trump is somebody who surprises us every single time so, it is possible that that is exactly wa he's going to tell vladimir putin. but so far no way of knowing if he believes that russia had an fekt on the lex, that it was vut than ordered and led the effort to interfere in our election, not just our election in the united states, but elections throughout europe. i think one of the big questions that people in europe and frankly here in the united states have is does donald trump understand the degree to which vladimir putin poses an existential threat to not only
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to the united states but to europe and to the global order. what putin has been engaged in over the past few years is the kind of behavior that we hadn't seen since the end of the cold war. invading other countries, changing borders by the use of force, infiltrating a whole variety of places and posing the kind of threat to our european allies that we haven't seen for a while. recognition of that threat is what our european friend and frankly many of the g-20 countries are going to be expecting to see from the president of the united states. >> the president also raising a lot of eyebrows by talking about our intelligence agencies on foreign soil. take a listen to what he said. >> you again said you think it was russia. your intelligence agencies have been far more definitive. they say it was russia. >> i heard it was 17 agencies. i said, boy, that's a lot. do we've haven't that many intelligence agencies, right?
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it turned out to be three or four. it wasn't 17. >> now, we believe, p.j., he's referring to this thing in "the new york times" that said 17 agent sis didn't actually offer the report. it was the fbi, the cia, the nsa that did. later the office of the dni which actually represents those 17 agencies which signed off on it. never mind the splitting of hairs here. he also goes on to talk about iraq, weapons of mass destruction, how intelligence got it wrong back then. how do you get foreign leaders to trust us on north korea when you tell them not to trust american intelligence? >> well, actually, the backdrop is that europe has long had some concerns about, you know, what u.s. intelligence agencies have done in europe. you know, the alleged bugging of angela merkel's phone, everything that e ward snowden, you know, revealed in his leaks.
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so, you know, in one sense, there might be some identification with some of what he said. but i think it ultimately goes back to is the president going to make an attempt to achieve common cause with our closest allies in the world. and obviously the body language in the meeting with angela merkel is very important, but, you know, the last time, you know, the president was in europe, he struck a highly discordant note. you know, this time is he going to try to find a way to be more statesmanlike, is he going to try to find a way to help angela merkel have a successful, you know, g-20. and we shouldn't overlook that notwithstanding importance of the meeting with putin tomorrow, i think the most important exchange we're going to see here at the g-20 is whatever exchange happens between president trump and president xi jinping. you know, is trump going to lean into xi and potentially put the
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u.s./china relationship at risk, you know, to make sure that china starts to crack down on chinese banks and chinese businesses that are helping at least the elites in north korea prosper. >> ambassador haley yesterday giving us perhaps a preview of that, indicating that trade with china could be at risk if they don't do more with north korea. ivo, there was some news that broke shortly before the broadcast. reuters reporting that russia now objecting to that u.n. security council condemnation of north korea's missile launch earlier this week, basically saying there isn't a consensus at this point to confirm that it was, in fact, an intercontinental ballistic missile, an icbm. ivo, what does that signal to you? >> well, i think there are divisions over the degree to which not only north korea poses a threat but what we should be doing about that threat. i think it's in some ways the russians splitting hairs,
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whether this is an icbm or not. the north koreans under u.n. security council resolutions aren't supposed to be testing missiles, period. and therefore the fact that they did test a his l, whether it's an intercontinental ballistic missile or a very long-range intermediate ballistic missile or something of the kind frankly isn't as important as the need at this point for the united states work together with all the countries concerned, and that includes russia and china importantly as part of that to find a common approach to the north korean missle threat. and to do so quietly, diplomatical diplomatically, working together, both in new york at the u.n., but also and now here in the g-20, where all the important countries are present and to start working this issue in a much more quiet and much more effective way than i think we have done so far, which is to threaten and use bombast without
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really spelling out how we're going get where we need to be, which is to produce d if not eliminate the north korean missile threat. >> ivo, we'll leave it there. ivo daalder, p.j., big thanks to both of you on this thursday. president trump using his news conference overseas in warsaw to take some swipes at the american media. also protesters hitting republican senators' offices across the country to voice their opposition to the gop's health care plan. and speaking of protests, another look at those g-20 protests under way in hamburg, germany. we are going to keep a very close eye on what's happening there. we'll bring you developments throughout the hour. you don't know this yet but in fifteen hundred miles, you'll see what you're really made of. after five hours of spinning and one unfortunate ride on the gravitron, your grandkids spot a 6 foot banana that you need to win. in that moment, you'll be happy you partnered with a humana care manager and got your health back on track. because that banana isn't coming home with you
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we are still waiting for a full read-out of the bilateral between president trump and the german chancellor angela merkel, but we did get this picture. the two are still in the meet bug you might recall back when
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the german chancellor was here there was that awkward moment in the oval office where they did not shake hands. they did apparently shake hands there in hamburg, germany. not exactly what both of the world leaders look a tad surprised, but they shook hands nonetheless. earlier, the president on the global stage in warsaw this morning, he took part of that opportunity at a joint news conference to of course strike out at the american media. >> what cnn did was unfortunate for them. as you know now they have some pretty serious problems. they have been fake news for a long time. they've been covering me in a very -- very dishonest way. do you have that also, by the way, mr. president? with cnn and others. i know. nbc is equally as bad despite the fact that i made them a fortune with "the apprentice."
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but they forgot that. >> bill kristol, we'll get to what the president said in just a moment. ann, we have some breaking news i want to start with. the head of the office of government ethics, he has resigned. a lot of folks probably don't know him but hi name is walter shaw. he had been quite the outspoken critic of president trump, did not mention the president in his resignation letter. he did write this, though. we have the letter here. "public service is a public trust, requiring employees to place loyalty to the constitution, the laws and the ethical principles above private gain." walter schaub says he's done, had six months left on his term. this is a position appointed by the president, confirmed by the senate, and your response. >> well, schaub actually sort of had become a folk hero to a lot
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of trump opponents. he is a little-known washington bureaucrat but because just about two weeks after the election he started criticizing trump about what he was going to do as far as separating himself from his businesses, and really never let up, he became something of a folk hero. he had six months left. it's intentionally set up that this job is a five-year term. it's in some ways similar to the way the fbi director is set up at ten years. it's intended to span a four-year presidential election cycle so that whichever president names the office of government ethics director, that person, the director will presumably serve on until either that president's next term or another president. and so there's a reason for
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that. it's supposed to be bipartisan. he's supposed to be an outside watch dog. he had trouble with the white house from the get-go. he had a number of quite public fights with them. when he won one and lost one basically and then went to a washington think tank and gave a very critical speech that was aimed directly at the white house. in parting he said in an interview with some of my colleagues here at the "post" today that he felt he had done and said as much as he could within the confines of this administration and it was time to go. >> walter schaub jr. out as the ethics watchdog. bill, let's go back to what we heard from the president there. again, this is obviously something that the president does routinely in this country, going after the media, but he made those comments in a country that's been cracking down hard on its own news media, standing next to the president of poland there. the eu is actually -- had to warn the polish government about its treatment of journalists
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there. how appropriate of a forum was it for the president to attack american media there? >> i think it's inappropriate for an american president to attack american institutions abroad, and the media is one of them. we're on the media here so we're more concerned about the media, but he shouldn't denigrate american intelligence agencies or other candidates or former presidents. i was in the white house 25 years ago. we were very careful, with vice president quayle on trips, not to criticize the democrats who control congress, try not to criticize other american institutions or other americans. so unfortunately that has eroded gradually over the years. president trump has taken that erosion to a new level. i think it's unfortunate. he gave a pretty good speech on the other hand. >> i'm glad you said that because i follow bill kristol on twitter like tens of thousands of others and you tweeted something that caught our attention. i want to put it on the screen for our viewers and read it for the listeners at home. "trump's speech in warsaw was an appropriate, even eloquent, speech worthy of a president
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speaking for america. #creditwhe #creditwherecreditisdue." pretty high praise and shortly thereafter you tweeted, i want to put up part of a string of tweets that were posted subsequently. "it would be good if trump's is a failed presidency in the sense he's not renominated and this he and his ideas don't become a model" -- i won't go through the entire thread. but what were you going for there and what happened between that first post and the second string of tweets? >> well, the press conference where he does attack the media among other american institutions but generally i was thinking about the dilemma people like me have and many americans have. you want to be a loyal opposition. i don't want trump to become the model for future presidents, the model for future -- for the republican party, model for lots of other things so in that respect i hope he's only a four-term -- four-year president, maybe it will even end earlier and in that sense a failed presidency, not one that
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people aspire to imitate, either his personal behavior or many of his ideas. having said that, i'm an american and i don't want america to the suffer too much for having elected trump so i'd like him to have a pretty good four years. loyal opposition, a bit of a contradiction. not a contradiction but there's a tension there. i think people like me and many of us have to navigate that for next three years, trying to praise him where appropriate, especially when he goes abroad and gives a serious speech, reiterates american principles, our commitment to nato, our allies, the cause of freedom. speaks eloquently about the poles and the communists. that's worth praising and i think every president -- you might say all he's doing there is doing what a normal president would do but at least he's doing what a normal american president would do. >> any signs based on what you heard from the president in his speech in warsaw? maybe even from the joint news conference there, any signs wa
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we might see from president trump in that face-to-face with vladimir putin tomorrow? >> i think there are a number of signs that trump is appealing more to basic guard rails of american foreign policy abroad, notably he made a very specific reference to article 5 of the nato charter, which is the most important part, basically says an attack on one is an take on all. he pointedly had not done that in his drg during his first trip to europe. that was intended as a signal not only to the european partners in nato who were unnerved by that, but also directly to russia. remember who that article referred to not by name but certainly in context at the time it was written. it was nato versus the ussr. and nato remains the alliance around the rim of russia and
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something that vladimir putin like other russian leaders before him takes great exception to, considers it a threat, and considers u.s. cheerleading for it, and that's how they view it, you know, to be meddlesome. he did that in poland about as close to russia as you can get and still be within nato and the eu. i think that was not by accident. he also talked about russian actions in ukraine and elsewhere. by that he presumably meant crimea and potentially georgia. you know, so he was kind of checking the boxes there of things that this u administration officially find troublesome about russian behavior. >> anne gearan, bill kristol, enjoyed our conversation. thank you. >> thank you. >> those protests under way in hamburg, germany, just hours after president trump's arrival there, thousands of folks
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turning back to the g-20 protests in hamburg, germany, nbc's keir simmons still on the ground for us there. what's happening right now, keir? >> reporter: we have a standoff right now, craig.
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as you can see behind me, lines and lines of riot police, german riot police blocking the road here. if we can get miguel, our cameraman, to hift will the camera, they have line up water cannon in preparation for holding the line here because in that direction is where the world's leaders are meeting for the g-20 summit. so they are determined, the german authorities, to prevent the protesters from getting that way. let me take you this way. we have to be careful because we are weaving through the various journalists who are stuck between these two opposing forces if you like. but if you just come with me in this direction, you can see lined up in similar fashion are hardcore protesters from this demonstration today, some 10,000 strong, they estimated. the banner here g-20 welcome 2 hell, which is the name of the protest today. and if, again, miguel just lifts the camera, you can see that many of these protesters have
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covered their faces. in fact, the german police, craig, have told them not to do that, told them that it is illegal. now we wait to see whether these guys will attempt to go where those guys don't want them to. >> keir simmons on the ground. you see these anti-globallization protests pop up such as the scene in hamburg, germany, almost 8:00 this, 20 minutes before 8:00 there in germany. high stakes in hamburg with the threat of a nuclear north korea looming large this week, can president trump convince the global community to stand up to the rogue nation? ♪ if you have moderate to severe plaque psoriasis,... isn't it time to let the real you shine through? maybe it's time for otezla (apremilast). otezla is not an injection or a cream. it's a pill that treats plaque psoriasis differently. with otezla, 75% clearer skin
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missile by north korea. want to bring in kevin baron, executive director of defense one, also an msnbc national security analyst, and josh barro, senior insider at msnbc contributor. kevin, we hear president trump there earlier say that he is thinking of his words, severe things, severe things in response to north korea. won't reveal what they are. any idea what the president might be talking about in terms of options? >> well, if you just listened to the president, no. severe things doesn't mean anything. but since then, in the last hour, really, secretary mattis, to the surprise, dropped by to the washington press corps -- i'm sorry to the pentagon press corps where he basically took any military response seemingly off the table and said we're not drawing a red line, the same word the president used, but pointed toward diplomacy, said they're still looking for a peaceful solution out of it. at least today you have the
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secretary of defense feel it was necessary to walk down stairs to talk to the press corps at the building and say those words. >> you just made some news there. i did not know that. do we know whether he took questions as well or di he go down and just make this statement? >> i'm seeing this from other members of the press corps as i'm sitting here. he made an unannounced visit to the briefing room, the press cave there, and i think -- he usually takes questions but he went on record. it's not out of the ordinary for even the secretary of defense or other officials at the pentagon to make a last-minute surprise or shortly announced visit to the pressroom to clarify something that's happened, usually maybe some background or context, but for him to walk down and off the record, not go on camera, not make a formal, you know, type of appearance that will step on the toes of the president and his imagery and his vision but to come out and say this is not a red line and we're looking toward diplomacy, that's a statement. >> this this video we're showing, the president and first
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lady after they touched down in hamburg just after 10:00 here, 4:00 there local. josh, so if we are to believe that the secretary of defense was taking a military option off the table, diplomacy now becomes essentially the only option left, president trump scheduled to meet in addition to vladimir putin tomorrow, the president of china, president xi as well. how does donald trump go about convincing president xi and other leaders of these 19 other countries to get on board with regards to north korea? >> well, i think he faces fundamentally the same problems that president obama and president bush faced before him, which is simply that we don't have as many levers as we would like to put pressure on north korea. and i think people even overstate the amount of pow they're the chinese have here. they certainly have more influence over the north koreans than we do, but they -- you know, the last thing they want is a collapse of the north korean regime. they do not want the country to collapse into chaos. china benefits from the status
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quo, and whatever pressure we put on them about trade or anything else can't change that very much. i also think the president has shown himself to be full of empty threats in a variety of areas from small to large. the president made lawsuit threats, saying he would sue the women who accused him of sexual misbehavior during the campaign. people have come to know the president will make threats and not follow through or not even have any idea what he's going to threaten. threatening this one thing here, the chinese have been through one round of negotiations with president trump, got off with a pretty favorable deal to china, the president wouldn't label them a currency manipulator. i don't think he can claim he's going to do a lot of punitive things he hasn't done already and combine that with the fact there isn't much we can do to contain the north koreans and here we are. >> kevin, is that the perception globally that our emperor has no clothes? >> well, i think it might be too early to say when it comes to
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national security incidents and how the u.s. responds to them under the commander in chief trump. in syria's case, things changed with cruise missile strikes and a retaliatory strike that would not have happened under obama lightly. with north korea, there's a whole different ball game. there is no military option and there aren't enough people or north korea observers and nuclear experts and ex-military officials who can say that loudly enough. there are no good military options. but that doesn't mean as we should say -- the pog will say they never take the military options off the table, but even a small surgical strike, say the u.s. just wanted to hit the launch pads or just the labs or the underground facilities, that's still a much different type of attack on kim jong-un's regime than it is in the middle of the syrian war, for example, on the other side of the world. and nobody thinks that kim would just sit there and take it, that he would allow some sort of surgical strike to wipe out what happened there the way that the israelis hit nuclear facilities in iran years ago because iran
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didn't want to launch a major war. so i think everyone thinks if this icbm is real and it's step one, then the pentagon basically allowed it to be fueled, allowed it to fly, wanted to watch it, wanted to see what this technology is, the pentagon has now made its own threat assessment, this was no longer just a threat to south korea and the region. this missile could reach alaska. that changes things. but, again, a retaliatory strike would only result if more military action escalating to some new level and if the united states doesn't want that, that's not what's going to happen and, you know, with 24 hours later or more, that's not what's happened. instead, the secretary of defense himself has gone to reporters to say diplomacy is where he's looking. >> kevin, thank you, josh, a big thanks to you as well. health bill backlash. republican lawmakers getting an earful in their home districts this week as their constituents demand changes to that gop health care plan. but will they yield to the pressure?
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the situation has taken a turn in germany. you see the protestors on the left side of your screen now clashing with police, kier simmons on the ground there for us, what's happening? >> all right, craig, we just had a series of smoke bombs relaced by the police into the crowd,
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many of them as you see here are pulling themselves up. i'll just get my camera man to point in this direction, it's tricky to do that. there you can see one of those smoke bombs that has gone off in the middle of this crowd now, first back the riot police are lined up, moving further towards the demonstration -- excuse me, the smoke is affecting us as well as the protestors. the water cannon has moves down and you see the police are moving again towards the protestors to try to disburse them. we're with the police, the
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german rye yacht police moving in to corner off this anti-jew protest. they're right in the center of it and they're clearly determined to prevent these protestors from even staying here. aside from heading towards the g 20. we just have to move a little further back, and there are now clashes between protestors and police here in germany where president trump is meeting with world leaders. it is now, to be honest, craig, it is now difficult to breathe. >> kier, i want to give you a
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few moments here to reset. >> we are. we are quarantined off. the protestors around us are attempting to escape over the wall here as the police push them back. now our camera man, producer are just trying to -- >> for those of you just joining us, i'm not sure -- we'll get back to kier simmons in just a moment here. this is in hamburg, germany just before 8:00. for the last hour or so, we saw a standoff between police there and germany and protestors.
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thousands of them gathering ahead of the g 20. and it had been four our five minutes ago it was largely peaceful and then something changed. do we know what changed? was there some sort of an event? what happened? the police have pushed down the street confronting protestors and firing smoke bombs and bringing in a water cannon to disburse the protestors. there are battles between demonstrators and riot police moving again in this direction to stop the protestors from even staying in this area. here come the water cannons again.
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again, kier simmons on the ground there, we should note at one time the journalists were between the protestors and the police. the police who had been wearing riot gear all day there in germany, they were fully anticipating this, and as you see the water cannons that kier was talking about just now being fired. we also saw a number of smoke bombs as well. we were told that police were essentially trying to force these protestors back trying to move them away from the g 20 summit that we're told are happening a few miles away. do we still have keir?
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he is in the process of trying to get some place that is safe. you see a number of presumably protestors, we just saw some on the left side of the screen. it looks as if the protestors are being arrested and hauled off. again up until seven or eight minutes ago, this was a standoff. we were watching the police and protestors essentially stare at each other for several hours here, but that changed just a few minutes ago. we're going to try to go back to kier simmons, kelly o'donnell is also in hamburg, germany, i apologize in advance if i have to cut you off, but give us a sense of where you are in
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relationship to where all of this is playing out. >> i am on the other side of the river, craig in an area designated for international journalists to do our reports from. what i can say is we can hear the noise, banging, and helicopters overhead. it also gives you a sense of how in hamburg there are several things happening. we're watching airplane arrivals for some of the members of the g 20, the agenda still unfolding without effect from the protestors. . they're right in the middle of all of this, and we have seen in just the hours today how there has been a strong police presence, and certainly been a
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lot of air cover and surveillance checking on all of this to see if the protests would spill over hike we're seeing right now. >> spilling over indeed, kelly o. we see the riot police. at this point it is unclear if they are going into the protest or if the protestors are trying run away. >> let's go right to kier in the thick of this, what is happening around you? >> well, cakatie as you see the german water cannon are now moving along the street here to help the police who moved in to disburse protestors. a little bit earlier we were caught in the thick of it as the demonstrators attempted


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