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to this rare class of former presidents. >> and that does it for us today. for this week. please join richard engel tonight for on assignment. i have a bit role. great to be part of that. craig melvin is up next right here on msnbc. >> andrea mitchell never has a bit role in anything. >> oh, yes, i do. >> good to see you, my friend. have a good weekend. good friday afternoon to you. craig melvin at msnbc headquarters in new york. something to hide? just days after donald trump jr. said he revealed everything about that meeting with the kremlin, nbc news has learned exclusively two more people were there. why was a russian-born american lobbyist and reported former soviet counter intelligence officer also in the room? and why did trump junior leave that detail out of his account of the meeting? also this afternoon, bill in jeopardy again. just one day after being introduced, things are not looking good for the gop's latest proposal to replace obamacare. what's it going to take to get
enough lawmakers to agree? and family ties. two of president trump's closest family members turn closest advisers, are under a lot of scrutiny this week. can anything shake the president's unwavering loyalty to his family? and does it hurt him? we start with those new developments today in the russia investigation, though. nbc news reporting exclusively that a fifth and sixth person were present in that june 2016 meeting with donald trump jr. and two other trump campaign officials, and a russian lawyer. nbc news has learned that one of those individuals is a russian-american lobbyist and former soviet counter intelligence officer who is suspected by some u.s. officials of having ongoing ties to russian intelligence. the individual denies any current ties to russian spy agencies. the latest developments coming as president trump heads home from a two-day visit to france intended to shore up relations between the two countries. nbc news chief white house correspondent hallie jackson is
traveling with the president. she is also following these fast-moving details from paris. hallie, first of all, what do we know about these additional participants in that meeting? >> reporter: okay. so let's sort of run through where we are at this point, at least in the day, craig. because you're right. there are new developments coming out constantly on this story. so we know -- we believe -- nbc amuse has learned that one of the participants is this russian-born american citizen lobbyist who has work with the russian lawyer that was involved in this meeting in the past. we believe that he was in the meeting. along with, according to donald trump jr.'s lawyer, be one other person. that lawyer -- two people total acknowledged the russian lawyer into the meeting. that's two more people than previously had been disclosed, at least until today. the two people were described by donald trump's lawyer as -- one was a translator. the other was, as he put it, a
friend of evan agalarov, you know that russian pop singer, whose father is a sort of mogul, a business titan in moscow. here is the statement. part of the statement from donald trump jr.'s attorney. the person was described as a friend of emins and maybe a friend of natalia's. he told me specifically he was not working for the russian government, and, in fact, laughed when i asked him that question. it is not clear if that is the same person that nbc news had described as somebody who was suspected by the united states of having ties to russian intel. so that's sort of who these two people are. the question is, where this goes from here at this point. and why some of this information had not been revealed up until this point. remember, donald trump jr. went on television, talked about wanting to be open and transparent. talked about releasing those e-mails online, because, he wanted to be transparent. even though the "new york times" right around the same time was
getting ready to break that story, quoting the e-mail. so there are some serious questions surrounding all of this, craig. and as the president heads back home, he says he's getting ready to head to his golf course to watch some of the tournament happening back in the united states. he could not escape the shadow of this russian controversy even here in france, even this morning at the bastille day celebrations, the military parade in paris. >> the u.s. women's open, where he's headed this weekend at his golf course. while i have you here -- >> reporter: today -- >> that's right, this afternoon. this news that broke a little while ago, president trump apparently hired another attorney there in d.c., ty cobb, yes, related to that cobb, matters related to russia. what more do we know about this attorney, the role he's going to play? >>. >> reporter: let me break that down for you. a white house official is confirming some bloomburg reporting that ty cobb is coming on inside the white house. this is different from mark
cassowits, installed basically in the west wing or perhaps executive office building to handle and run traffic, according to bloomberg on questions and on developments related to the special counsel investigation into whether or not the president attempted to obstruct justice, into everything sort of russia-related. bloomberg reports that cobb is expected to try to impose some discipline, not just with members of the team, but perhaps even with the president himself when it comes to this type of thing. i will tell you that we have reached out to cobb, to several folks who work with him. no response just yet. but we will update you if and when we do hear back. >> i know you will. hallie jackson there in paris on this friday. safe travels. let's bring in the panel. jamali, msnbc contributor, former double agent for the fbi, once recruited by the russians. shelby holliday is a business and politics reporter for the "wall street journal." and michael steele, former rnc
chairman, and also an msnbc political analyst. good to have all of you with me on a friday afternoon. naveed, let me start with you. you are quite familiar with russian intelligence techniques. based on this newest revelation about precisely who was in the room for that meeting, what does that tell you? >> well, it tells me that it follows a pattern that makes sense. that this would be, in fact, a russian operation. and that pattern is the fact that they use what we would term a cutout. look, the russians have a very robust and large network that i believe operates the united states. i had personal experience with these sort of questionable dotted line people that kind of trace back to the kremlin. so it would make sense to use someone who was a trusted entity. but then again, allowed the russians to have, well, plausible deniability. of so that totally falls in line with their portfolio of how they use this stuff. >> a cutout. what's a cutout? >> a cutout specifically means it is someone who you can -- as we would call the circle of trust. these are people that you can
trust to be directed or friendly -- a friendly port. but then again, don't have direct connections back to your country -- the country of origin. >> michael, this was congressman adam schiff last hour, the ranking democrat on the intelligence committee. this was his reaction to today's revelations. take a listen. >> so if this additional party was there, and had a background with russian intelligence, may have had a background in hacking information, as alleged in court pleadings, this has got another disturbing turn of events. more parties, russian parties, not disclosed. not disclosed potentially on security background documents by jared kushner. that's also alleged. but more importantly, this provides yet another conduit back to the kremlin. >> how damaging is this daily drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip. >> it has been damaging from day one.
i remember talking about this three or four months ago, that it would be the drip, drip, drip of revelation after revelation. however large or insignificant that would ultimately undermine any efforts by the legislative leadership to get something done on capitol hill. by the white house itself to lay out the president's agenda and tie that into some legislative action. and more importantly, to rebrand the narrative in the white house in a way that helps the administration. when every day there's another revelation that is compounded by a member of the trump team, whether it's campaign or white house, saying one thing in the morning, having to retract that in the afternoon, add to it later on the next day. where do you begin to trust the reliability of the word coming out of the white house? it is undermining the very efforts of this white house, and it's going to be a problem. they need to stop what they're doing. they need to get everybody in a room and say y'all put it all on the table now. >> yes.
do you think that -- do you think that hasn't happened? >> has not happened. and if it has -- >> why do you think that hasn't happened? >> because of the president. the president does not think it's an important element. does not need to do it. he thinks that that shows weakness, and it undermines his own self whatever. so it -- all this starts at the head. the president is the one who is orchestrating and coordinating this. it is his mind-set that is driving this narrative. you've already had comments and certainly reporting on who is listening and not listening. and how they're responding to the president and what he wants. here you are. >> here is the president yesterday in paris, talking about his son, defending his son, donald junior. take a listen. >> i think from a practical standpoint, most people would have taken that meeting. it's called opposition research, or even research into your opponent. politics is not the nicest business in the world, but it's very standard, where they have information, and you take the information. and honestly, i think the press
made a very big deal over something that really a lot of people would do. >> shelby, are you hearing from lawmakers that this is something that's being widely considered -- a meeting that's business as usual? >> no, absolutely not. and so you have lawmakers both on the republican side and the democratic side pledging to get to the bottom of it. to michael's point, it's not just damaging the agenda, because it's distracting everyone. it's actually taking time out of their days, out of their workweeks. they are now spending time on these committees, spending time investigating. so it's harmful to the agenda in multiple ways. but also at what point do you lose the republicans who support you? that's a big question. i've also been talking to a lot of russia experts, and i think one thing that is worth noting is that all of these meetings we have seen between trump associates and russians have involved sanctions in some way or another. we don't know all of the details of all of the meetings. but sessions said he talked about ukraine with ambassador kisslyack. flynn was fired for talking about sanctions and later
misleading the vice president. now we know that the magnitsky act, which is sanctions, was discussed at trump tower. the russians want something here. they want sanctions lifted. they have an agenda. for multiple reasons. it raises questions when you get news like we did today about the meetings. what did the russians want and what was the trump campaign doing discussing sanctions with them? >> michael, you're still very much flugd inplugged into the p. do you get the sense from top republicans that they think this is all purely coincidental, that every day these revelations is just -- it's the big, bad, evil media, or do they get the sense -- do top republicans get the sense there is something there? >> that's been a gradual storyline. at the very beginning. certainly coming up on the heels of the inauguration in the first 35, 40 days of the administration. there was a sense of, okay, where's the there? there's no beef being produced? but as the revelations, going back to your first -- drip, drip, drip, as the revelations
have come to the table, more of the inside players -- jared kushner has to update his fs-86 -- >> three times! >> three times. and in the last form added 100 names that somehow he couldn't remember meeting with. >> right! >> that is now weakening the resolve of a lot of republicans. and i think to shelby's point, about interrupting that narrative, that's what's really ticking them off more than anything else. because they don't want to talk about this. they want to talk about the very things that they ran on in 2016, because they know they're going to have to account for it in 2018. >> naveed, this point that michael just raised, this kushner point, the president's son-in-law, senior adviser, present at that meeting, although it was also omitted on his security clearance form when he joined the white house. the idea you would have to amend that form three times, that you would -- somehow forget 100-plus names. again, this is an area with which you have some familiarity.
how common is it for someone to have to amend a form like that several times? to that extent? >> right. i would have to say it's probably uncommon. not to say it doesn't happen. here's my concern with this. clearly, this investigation is going to be a marathon, not a sprint. with one exception. that exception is jared kushner. i believe jared kushner's continued clearance, his continued position in the white house, is, in fact, a direct threat to national security. not because of jared kushner himself. not because of whether he's guilty or innocent of any charge that may come up. but rather, look, when you get a security clearance, when you're a 19, 20-year-old, marine, soldier, coast guard or airman, and you're told you've got to follow this process, it's invasive to keep one. and when you see someone at the highest office, essentially being given a special sort of consideration being allowed all these special protocols, then you have to ask yourself, is the process fair? am i as a 19-year-old going to be held to the same standard as someone who is advising the
president? and i have to say, craig, the fact that jared kushner stays there, i believe sends a message to the rank and file, whether you're a republican or democrat, you should get behind this. at this point, it's become a distraction, and frankly undermines the institutions that issue these clearances. and the protocols that our service men and women are being held to that have these clearances. >> there is also a reason you fill out those clearances, so that we know, our white house officials are not being blackmailed or are not compromised. >> absolutely. >> by foreign countries. and so in this case, a lot of questions -- you know, surrounding what do russians know that we don't know. and what leverage do they have over this trump administration? >> do you think he survives this? do you think kushner survives this? >> he will, because his father-in-law will allow him to. that's the bread and butter here, folks. >> that's damning. >> hard to fire your son-in-law. >> who wants to have the conversation with your daughter after that? >> maybe he's completely innocent. maybe he didn't do anything wrong. it is worth asking the question. >> not even the amending of the forms, but to somehow forget 100
names? >> oh, it's crazy. >> not four or five. not a dozen. but 100? >> and to have financial trouble, and to -- to have a host of things. look, again, not being -- security clearance is not a constitutional right. and pulling someone's security clearance -- i've seen people lose clearances for a lot less, not paying cell phone bills. it's not fair. >> i've enjoyed our conversation. we're out of time. we have to get to some commercials here. naveed. shelby, good to have you. and michael, always good to have you in the flesh as well, sir. health care headaches. things not looking good for republicans hoping to push trumpcare 3.0 through. an update on which senators are no votes right now. plus, president trump on the way home following that two-day trip to france. was it a success? we'll break that down. you know, geico just saved me hundreds of dollars on my car insurance. huh. i should take a closer look at geico... (dog panting) geico has a 97% customer satisfaction rating! and fast and friendly claims service.
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this afternoon, the pressure is on. senate republicans just one more no vote away from an embarrassing failure to repeal and replace obamacare. senators susan collins and rand paul have already voiced their opposition to the revised plan. that means another no would kill the bill again. president trump tweeting today, after all these years of suffering through obamacare, republican senators must come through as they have promised. the president also reportedly called a handful of senators from paris. joined now by nbc news congressional correspondent, kasie hunt.
politico senior writer, jake sherman. kasie, we've got at least six republicans at this point. and these are the six -- i think we have a picture of them. these are the six who are undecided on the bill this afternoon. where do things stand now? where do they go from here? >> so that picture, craig, shows five moderate senators who have concerns, plus mike lee, a conservative. and we have been reporting that the president did call some senators from paris. we're working on exactly who that is. but based on the fact that mark meadows, the later of the freedom caucus, was aware of it, it's suggested it's conservatives. we know he has not spoken to rob portman. he's not spoken to lisa murkowski yet. so it looks like mitch mcconnell has been charged with trying to figure out how to get these moderates to stick together. stick with him. and that's rob portman, concerned about medicaid. it's really remarkable at this point it has held together. he has lost susan collins and
rand paul, but so far the rest of the 50 are still hanging together and not out there in public saying negative things. so right now this bill is on track to get on to the floor of the senate. and i think that would make the passage of it much likelier. now, there, of course, are still many road blocks, still weightiweight waiting to here from governors and cbo score. >> set to come out on monday? is that what we're hearing? >> we expect it early in the week, yeah. although there is a wrinkle around it, which is the bill includes an amendment from ted cruz and mike lee that would allow americans to buy these cheaper, catastrophic plans. critics say that could by fur indicate the markets and not clear what would that have on the budget. they may use another agency to do it, which could potentially create some problems, but could also make it easier for republicans to pass the bill. >> jake, that cruz amendment that kasie just alluded to there, how critical is it to the
passage of this new plan? again, this is the plan -- the amendment that would allow these insurers to sell plans that are not necessarily compliant under obamacare as it stands now. how critical is that to this bill? >> it's critical in the senate and it's critical in the house, near where we're standing where conservatives want to bleed this law to death as much as they can, and that's one way to do it. i just want to talk about the politics here. you're talking about winning over votes, like people like shelley moore capito and dean heller, people firmly against this bill for a long time. they're going to have to find a way to explain how this bill is different, not only politically, but on the merits, because they have told their constituents now for a while that this bill is not up to snuff. so it really is -- could be a political liability, you know, going forward, because they have been really outspoken, these folks. i just think it's going to be difficult for them to put that back in the bag. >> jake, if it doesn't happen this time, again, then what?
is it dead forever? or do they go back to the drawing board? >> it's a good question. dave brad, a conservative congressman, is standing feet from me. i would bring him in here -- >> he's coming up in a few minutes. he's coming up in a few minutes. >> that's even better. listen. i think people -- there's going to be a big political issue between conservatives and more moderate republicans on bipartisan fixes to the bill. plus, democrats are not really interested in the fixes that republicans are interested in. now, i had a republican tell me a couple days ago, if mitch mcconnell can't do this, it just can't be done in the senate. so i think that's probably right. i think if it goes down this time, it's going to come back -- if it comes back, in a different form, kasie. don't you think that's probably right? >> i think, yes. and i do think that there is a chance that there will be a smaller bipartisan fix to the insurance markets that may get a handful of democrats in the senate. they would have to make it work so that nancy pelosi was willing
to work with them in the house. that may be the next evolution of this. i think, look, mitch mcconnell i think is tired of dealing with this. >> yep. i think republicans generally are tired of dealing with it. >> especially since it seems to prevent them from doing just about anything else there on the hill. >> yes. >> and also they're talking about taking things away from people. that's what the narrative is, whether they want it or not. how many people will lose health insurance with this plan? not how many people will gain it. and that's a tough political argument, no matter what you think of the substance of the bill. >> and there's more people that stand to lose health insurance under this bill than are in -- necessarily in those individual plans in obamacare that are really -- that -- everyone agrees. democrats will say this privately. they don't want to gut the aca, but they know it has a lot of problems, and nobody has been willing to open it up to a bipartisan look, because the politics are so entrenched. it's either obamacare or trumpcare and nowhere in the middle. if republicans show they can't do this, i think there will be pressure to at least do something small on that.
>> kasie and jake. always good to have the two of you together there on the hill. appreciate your time. >> thanks, craig. good to see you. how all the attention on president trump and the russia probes is affecting the republican agenda. i'll talk to the aforementioned congressman from the commonwealth, on the other side of this break. we'll also take a look at family ties. ivanka trump championing the rights of working women. but new questions about how her company's female factory workers overseas are being treated. tech: when you schedule with safelite autoglass, you get time for more life. this family wanted to keep the game going. son: hey mom, one more game? tech: with safelite, you get a text when we're on our way. you can see exactly when we'll arrive.
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house minority leader nancy pelosi today said jared kushner's security clearance should be revoked after it was revealed that he added 100 names on his security clearance form. kushner was one of three trump campaign officials to meet with the russian lawyer and the russian lobbyist last june. i'm joined now by congressman dave bratt, republican from virginia. let's start there. so he's amended the security clearance form a number of times. he's added more than 100 names. still didn't include the don junior meeting with the russians everyone has been talking about after the second revision.
"wall street journal" reporting, congressman, he also somehow forgot he had $250,000 in israeli government bonds, and left out his art collection with his wife. should his security clearance be revoked or suspended? >> well, i have a hard time keeping track of all of my art collections, but i don't know what the rules on all of this are. i'm a budget econ guy. we have an investigation going forward on all of this stuff. whatever -- the main issue -- i think two issues are being conflated that need to be separated. one is, the russians are obviously involved in our election process. obama knew that for several months, didn't do anything about it. then the democrats, pelosi, is in the other party, if people at home don't know that. so she sometimes gets a little political. so sometimes, like the day after the election, they said president trump needs to be impeached. so once in a while, politics intervenes up in this city in dc and things get a little
overheated. i think we need to calm down, follow the law. we're a nation under laws, not of men, not of women. so just let the process play out, whatever the rules are. if a statute has been violated, that's the key. name the statute. alan -- collusion is all over the place. everybody co lose in this city, right? >> i think the collusion is different. you would at least concede that point. >> no, i don't concede that point at all. it's all about politics and power. and the left and the media, 93% of the money from the mainstream media folks go to hillary, and none of this was covered on hillary. so -- >> congressman, how is this in any way related to this idea that actually you concede at this point, the fact that russia was involved in our election and you've got -- >> yes! >> but so how -- i don't understand how they're related.
how they're connected. >> this whole city is a web of collusion and big money. i ran against all of that collusion. but no one gets to play the innocent here. hillary raised $2 billion in the hillary foundation from foreign money. and cnn and all the biggies never found anything on that. the "washington post" is great on watergate, but missed clinton-gate all together. why is that? it may be because 97% of the donations from mainstream folks go to the democrat party. gee, i wonder if that could influence the news at all. so now everyone is on the trump collusion stuff. so let's just calm it all down and go back. what statute has been violated? name it, and i'm open-minded guy. i'm an economist. not a lawyer. but there's plenty of lawyers here. >> are you at all concerned about this latest revelation this morning revealed that there were, in fact, additional people in the room during that meeting,
despite the fact that donald trump jr. said just a few days ago he was coming clean? this little nugget was left out. does that at least bother you? >> well -- >> yes or no -- congressman. >> yes, yes. hey, i'm a basic guy. yes, but, we always get hyped up every morning on our starbucks, and you guys come at us with a new wave. and then six months later, you're not clinging -- this has been going on for a year. every morning, i wake up, and there is another -- ooh, key detail, dave, what do you think about it? >> congressman, we're not coming at you with a new wave. it's the "new york times," the "washington post." >> i know. all the usual -- >> all the usual, liberal, elite. >> 97% of the money going to hillary. >> all of us are in cahoots together. >> no, you just have a systematic bias toward liberal outcomes and the federal government. it's okay. it's america. i don't know if it's illegal. >> even if that bias did exist,
which -- even if it did -- >> if it exists. you've got to come clean with me on that one. i gave you one. >> how is that related to russian collusion? >> it's related to the media coverage. that's what i'm saying. >> so you would prefer us not covering -- congressman -- >> no, no, no. cover it well. cover it as news. not every day. we know this is a great news story. >> but it's happening every day! something is happening sometimes three and four times a day! >> right. go to dershowitz, a liberal who voted for hillary, and he raised the relevant standard. how that statute is violated. if you can name that, that's what we're interested in. put me on to some budget conversation. >> i do want to talk to you about health care real quickly here. this new bill that's been introduced in the senate, you said to me back in march that you did not want to repeal plan with refundable tax credits. you remember that. this bill has refundable tax credits. >> yep. >> is this a bill that you could stand behind? >> right now, we're taking a
good look. the word is, it doesn't have the cruz amendment in it, which would at least open the door a little bit to a free market outcome. but it does contain some of the cruz ideas. so i'm not sure if that's good enough, right? obamacare is in the ditch right now because it paid only attention to coverage. everyone had coverage, but no one could afford to use the coverage, because the deductibles are through the roof. and then the republican bills, like you just said, too much of the same logic that's going to put us back in the ditch. so we all want to go back to the day when a college kid could just graduate and go out and buy a cheap insurance policy that fit their needs. and when things were affordable. right? if you let the free market do that, the old lasik tiger woods eye surgery used to be 6 grand per eye. now it's down to $450 per eye. that's what the free market can do to pharmaceutical prices. if you get this web of d.c. out of our lives, and -- i think everybody knows what made this country great, right?
the free market, a lot of small businesses duking it out. not all these huge power centers based in d.c. that's what's ruining the country. >> congressman, we're out of time. you wailed against d.c. a number of times in this conversation from washington, d.c., where you are. >> yes. >> where you are, congressman. >> where i ran. >> you're part of the web! you're part of the web. >> i'm james madison and adam smith incarnated. i'm doing my best. >> congressman, i always enjoy you, sir. thank you. >> you bet. turning to iraq now, after iraq's prime minister declared victory in mosul, reuters now reporting pockets of resistance from islamic state militants remain in the old city. nbc's richard engel had unprecedented access to the front lines in the fight to free the city from the grip of isis. he joins us live now from erbil. this is roughly 50 miles southeast of mosul. richard, good to see you, sir. what's happening inside mosul right now?
>> reporter: well, there's still some pockets of fighting. and the fighting has been incredibly fierce. most of it is in the old city. officially, victory has already been declared so we're now in the mop-up phase. but the iraqi troops are still going house to house, alley to alley. and to give you an example of what this fighting is like, some iraqi soldiers who we have been with just told us they experienced this just not very long ago. they were moving through the streets, and they came across a child. and they went to go give assistance to this child, and as soon as they picked up this child, they found themselves in the middle of an ambush. and they believe that this was an isis family member who had basically been put in the middle of the road, a small child, as bait to draw the iraqi soldiers in, so they had been -- so they could be attacked. and we have seen these kind of tactics up close as we have been covering this. we saw human shields kept at a
very large scale. a lot of the attackers had suicide belts. we saw bodies with suicide belts still on them. so very, ve gruesome tactics us and no concern at all about putting civilians in the mix deliberately. >> richard, the million-dollar question seems to be at this point, can it hold? can mosul hold? you've spent a lot of time in that part of the world. what's your assessment? >> reporter: probably not. i've spoken to a lot of people about this, and have been covering this for a long time. the sectarian divides in mosul are as strong as ever, if not stronger. you have shia militias, some of them backed by iran, that are moving up toward the mosul area. mosul is a sunni city. the kurds who run this area where i am right now are going to go to a referendum to vote to leave iraq in just a few months.
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saw the french flag, and remembered 100 years ago american soldiers gave their lives for -- from europe. president macron was extremely friendly with president trump. so in terms of political analyze, what is the relationship between young president macron and president trump, who is over 71 years old. what is the dynamic there? and we were quite surprised to see the body language, to see how emmanuel macron seems to enjoy the conversation with president trump. it was quite a moment in the past two days when we saw the relationship building up between the two presidents. >> oh, there was, of course, ambassador, that 25-secondhand shake, as well, that a lot of folks are talking about. an odd handshake. the invitation itself, ambassador, from president macron. was it about shoring up support
for nato, or was this purely a photo op? >> no, this was neither. this was a real machiavellian enterprise by macron. he sees himself, first of all, as a player on the world stage. being seen as the new bridge between the united states and europe. is one of his goals. after all, president trump doesn't have the best relationship with german chancellor merkel. he certainly doesn't have a very close tie to the now very increase looking he unpopular theresa may in britain. and president macron is determined also to help, shall we say, soften the nationalistic elements around president trump's inclinations on climate change, on nato, on the coherence of the european union, on russia. and so i think what president macron is doing here is extraordinarily important. he sees himself ultimately as the young president who is going to be able to help influence president trump and also draw him closer to europe.
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>> laura haim, thank you so much. ambassador ginsburg, wish we had more time. thank you, as always. family ties. one of president trump's biggest campaign rallying cries, make american goods in america. why is his own daughter producing so many products in factories, not in america? (upbeat dance music)
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the president ran on building things and manufacturing things here in america that includes the clothing industries so they can step up and explain how horrendous the regulations and the corporate dakotas climate is here in america. it forced them to have to do the same thing. you know in 2015 $2 trillion in regulations it cost our economy. and now here is what we would like to do to change regulations in america to bring jobs home. i wish they would do that. >> yes, but there is more to it than that. even with overseas, indonesia, she pays her workers one of the lowest minimum wages. she tries to position herself as a champion for women, but it punctures a myth of her as a d
moderating influence in the white house. on immigration, where was she went they went through with the extreme travel ban. what about when her dad drew from the agreement. on health care, when they are trying to start plans with federal funds that give women access to basic services like pap smears she is nowhere to be scene. >> have we overstated her influence over her father? >> i think you look at their career, they influence each other quite a bit. there have, she is, she and her husband jared are both susceptible to and should be looked upon with great certainty. i appreciate you making the argumenting about the low paid
workers overseas. will you join me in condemning all of the money flown from companies like apple and other big silicon corporations that build their products in china, all of the money they make it all flows to the democrats. join me in con temperatures that, please. >> i don't know if that is true and you're going against a corporation. i think ivanka trump needs to be held to a very different standard as she is putting herself out there as a advocate for women. >> i'm sure they have a revolving door in the white house for the last eight years. >> i do want -- i want to ask you both about what is happening this weekend. jared kushner and his wife are hob knobbing with an elite
gathering. does this, at all, marc larry a liz, conflict with his populist message. >> speaking of myths, the whole populist image thing is a myth, where has it be in his policies? giving a huge tax break to millionaires and billionaires? that is not a populist policy. >> i will ask ivanka to send me some shoes to give to my wife for our anniversary. time for your business of the week. have you ever walked into bloomi bloomi bloomi bloomingdales and smelled coc
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