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s.e.a.l. team one and deployed to iraq as the leader adviser to the task force west in fallujah, received the bronze star and remains a lieutenant commander in the navy reserves. he's now a member of the house foreign affairs committee, house judiciary committee and the committee on oversight and government reform where he chairs the subcommittee on national security which critically has oversight on all matters concerning national security and homeland defense including the justice department's role on those matters. in that capacity, he makes statements this week, not about donald trump jr.'s e-mails, but about former fbi director comey's record of his conversations with president trump. some of which the former fbi director has admitted to leaking to the press. welcome, congressman desantis, thank you for being with us. >> thanks for having me. >> that was an extraordinary interview you gave. in it you said four things, former fbi director comey has to be investigated by the
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department of justice, that they have to subpoena his memos of conversations with president trump, that former national security deputy adviser ben rhodes needs to be investigated and every remaining holdover from the obama years at the nsc should be fired. that's a lot for one interview, congressman. what triggered that? >> well, the reports of comey's memos potentially containing classified information were very concerning to me. i don't know if they did. i think we need to find that out. comey himself under oath, incredibly he admitted he leaked these memos in order to trigger a special counsel against the president. it was really weaponized leaking. if he was willing to disclose or was careless with classified information, i think that's very, very important. i thought it got to a broader issue, not just with comey, but some of the other leaking we've seen since this president has taken office, it's not just people are leaking because they think something is wrong with the government and they want
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sunlight, i still don't agree with that, i don't think you're a law unto yourself. this is concerted leaks designed to attack the sitting president. i think the character of the leaks are different. i think comey's leaks are part of that bushel. >> is attorney general sessions, in your opinion, doing enough or is the russia recusal he entered into handcuffing him as he does this investigation of leaks? >> we don't know that he's doing enough. so i've prepared a letter, we're going to be sending that next week. i imagine i'll have a number of colleagues joining it, asking the justice department to look into all these things, but then report back to us whether they are doing it or not. hugh, you know, you're knowledgeable on national security. we have certain intelligence authorities coming up for review this year. if you don't have anyone being prosecuted that was fisa material, you won't be able to reauthorize 702 of the statute due by the end of the year.
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i think if there's no action being taken, i think it has a big effect on what we're able to do in congress. i want to empower our intelligence agents. it's very important. it's difficult to make that case to the american people if that information is then being used for domestic political warfare. >> very true point, congressman. are you pushing chairman gowdy who has independent subpoena aukt authority to subpoena the comey memos? >> we're working on it. you remember jason chaffetz, when he was chairman, he immediately talked to comey after being fired once the memos were leaked and wanted to pursue the memos. he has said publicly that comey was very standoffish about the memos. he did not want to talk about those memos. i don't think jason was successful in doing it. i would absolutely support that if trey was willing to issue a subpoena for the memos. >> let's talk about the fact that the former fbi director made these memos. the nominee to replace him,
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christopher wray, testified about memo making, about presidential conversations this week in the senate. let's listen to what he had to say. >> we're dealing with an extraordinary situation here, where a man you respected was fired, called a nut job, and the president said to russian visitors, we're putting an end to this investigation. this is not an ordinary course of business for the federal bureau of investigation. this is the highest elected official in the united states of america, trying to stop an investigation by putting jim comey out of business. i think it's a little different than the routine requirements of the office. do you? >> certainly i would distinguish, senator, if this is what you're driving at, between a sort of routine conversation and a very significant, important conversation and ones that fall in the latter category i would think it would behoove me to make sure there's an appropriate record of that. >> ron desantis, you're a prosecutors, prosecutors take notes of things. the deliberative process with the president is very difficult to maintain if the president is
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thinking everyone is taking notes on it. what do you make of the practice of taking notes on presidential conversations? >> i don't think that's probably the best way to facilitate honest and frank discussion, particularly now that we know that those memos could be put out for public consumption. hugh, could you imagine if a run-of-the-mill fbi agent is taking notes with what they're doing and they decide to start leaking notes about investigations to the press? there's no way the fbi would ever tolerate their line agents doing that. so i do have a problem with it. it seems comey was doing that, though, not to facilitate better government. it seems he was doing it for political insurance. >> do you think there's a crime involved in the leaking of those memos? >> i don't know yet. i think that it was certainly improper to do it. if it's a government record, i don't know if it violates a federal statute. if there was classified information contained within that, i think that probably is a violation of federal law. >> all right. let's turn to the second part,
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your target of ben rhodes, former national security deputy adviser to president obama. he is a very controversial figure. "the washington post" said this about him, one of president obama's top security advisers leds journalists to believe a misleading timeline of u.s. negotiations with iran over a nuclear agreement and relied on inexperienced reporters to create an echo chamber that helped sway public opinion to seal the deal according to a lengthy magazine profile. congressman, is ben rhodes still playing the media in washington, d.c. and new york to follow his rabbit holes down to whatever trail they wants them to go on? >> a lot of the people we talked to think that, if you look at some of the leaks that have come out, for example, when the president is having a conversation with a foreign leader, there may be a memo that's generated, distributed to the national security counsel. next thing you know, it's on the
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front page of the paper. we've gotten a lot of information saying, look, there's only so many places that would come from. and the obama holdover working with rhodes, that's been a place we've been encouraged to look. i want to look at that because i think it's distorted the president's ability to simply conduct foreign relations if there's going to be selected leaking of his conversations with foreign leaders in ways that are damaging to him or at least purporting to damage him. that's not the way we want our government to function. >> are you going to call ben rhodes to testify? you seemed to imply that in your piece with "the free beacon." >> i talked to chairman gaudy about it. they're doing a lot more in terms of what the press knows. they've broot in big names that i'm not authorized to say. i want to defer to his judgment about whether that would be more appropriate in terms of the leak investigation they're doing on the intelligence committee. i would like to bring him in to
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talk about it because i want to figure out how all this information was getting out. >> quick gut check, congressman. using your prosecutorial chops, if you were going to guess who would get indicted, donald trump jr., james comey or ben rhodes, what would your guess be? >> i want to know what's in those comey memos and see if there's classified information. i don't think donald trump jr. will get indicted. he had a meeting. i don't think a criminal offense was committed in terms of the political judgment i think that's fair to criticize. i don't think there was a crime committed there. >> thank you, congressman ron desantis. it's been a real rough week for the trump family. i'll explain and talk about it after the break. after the break. stay tuned.
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welcome back. i'm hugh hewitt. it's been a rough week for donald trump jr. because of a meeting with a russian laurel and her entourage. joining me to discuss the fallout, the group exponentially in scope and drama, professor john eastman from chapman university, eastman is a former clarence thomas law clerk and a frequent witness of congress on a host of subjects and "wall street journal" reporter del wilbur. del is the author of two great books "rawhide down" and "a good night for murder." john eastman, you need a statute which has elements and facts for that. two big facts for that, espionage and catch all-18 usc 1001. what do you need to prove espionage or false statement? >> false statement has to be
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something material in an investigation or some criminal conduct underlying it. that's the problem with both of these statutes. we don't have any of the criminal conduct underlying it. you can see people scrounging around to find something. my favorite is he violated campaign finance laws for being willing to accept a donation. something of value, opposition research is not a donation. if it were, every single political campaign in this country has been violating the election laws since they were written because everybody receives opposition research from all sorts of sources. they're never reported as donationtion on the campaign finance returns. this is an unbelievably idiotic claim. >> you see no collusion -- >> there's a difference -- collusion -- cooperation is a different word for collusion. there was obviously some cooperation. somebody calls you up and says we've got some great opposition stuff, dirt on your opponent, do
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you want to see it? that's cooperation. or you can put the negative word on it, collusion. there's got to be some sort of collusion, a violation of some law for it to have any legal liability. there's nothing here like that. >> del wilbur, if the phone rings and it's a source calling you at the "wall street journal," what questions are you going to ask them? what do you want to know about the underlying facts of donald trump jr. and the es naj claims? >> you want to know how far it goes, how much did the president know and when did he know it. it's all in a black box. bob mueller is digging into what happened. this meeting we're talking about here, the problem for us and the reason this exploded so much politically, you mentioned the political component before, for months and months, no collusion. we didn't do this, didn't do that. no, no, nothing happened. then the e-mail in black and white says, hey, i got dirt from the russian government, dirt on
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clinton, the russian government is helping me out. do you want it. i'd love it, is what don junior said. in black and white it gets hard to be worse than that. >> do you want more e-mails. >> documentary evidence is amazing. you need witnesses, obviously, who know what happened. i think as john eastman had been talking a little earlier, the elements needed to prove a crime. you can't indict the president. it's a political issue, impeachment. the people around him will keep building, building, building the case. >> john eastman, the law team exploded this week. abby lowell came in, ty cobb came in, jamie gore really. the attorney general of the united states is recused, it's like trying to drive a car through mud with a flat tire. there are whispers your old boss, mike ludig is in the wings who can reset this.
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what do you think of that? how much of a problem is it that the attorney general of the united states is recused. not with a new lawyer, not a new white house counsel, but new attorney general? >> i don't think you need a new attorney general, although i'd love to see mike back in in some capacity. there are a couple of things here. first, i think we need to narrow the scope of the recusal. i don't think a recusal is necessary in the first place. i think the attorney general got bad advice from carryover ethics officials in the department of justice. there was an intelligence investigation going on, not a kral investigation. the recusal statutes required him to recuse himself if he had any connection with anybody involved in a criminal investigation because there was not one, he did not need to recuse himself. i would interpret that recusal very narrowly and focus only on the things that demanded recusal from him and allow him to continue to operate and everything else. but he seems to have taken a
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broader view of that. so what you need now is a deputy who is going to step up and take charge of anything involved and make clear that these things are being addressed in a criminal way when there is criminal investigation going on and drawing the distinction between criminal investigations and intelligence gathering investigations that are entirely different. >> will, you covered doj. is the a.g. in the mud and can the recusal be narrowed without a political blowout? >> i think the recusal has benefited him, frankly, and the department in many ways. he recused himself on the russia matter but not in getting rid of james comey as fbi director which is a big move. he's not involved in the delegation, delegated that to deputy attorney general rod rosenstein who is doing most of the work. jeff sessions has broad authority. just remember, when he decided to recuse himself, was right
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after it turned out that he misled congress in public testimony under oath saying i never met with any russians, and then it comes out he met in his office for an hour and a half with the ambassador to the united states from russia. that was really bad. if he hadn't recused himself then, it would have been a nightmare. we would get nothing done. >> an attorney general who is recused from the major issue of the day is -- i love jeff sessions, doing a great job. still a liability, john eastman. can they get back on track? >> i think they can. i don't believe jeff sessions misled congress. if you look at the con terkt of the question that was asked, it was in the context of campaign communications, and he said, i never met with anybody and i don't know of anybody in the campaign that did. the notion that the question more broadly asked, have you ever met with a russian, could you see -- >> technical foul, but not
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intentional. >> the bigger question, is his recusal, i think in many ways it's a blessing. he is now prevented from getting distracted by all of this and sidetracked -- >> a blessing for him, but what about the president. >> a blessing for the president as well. the president has an agenda on which he was elected that all these things are designed to extract him from. he and his attorney general can now stay focused on some of those other things while this controversy -- it's not a controversy that they generated. it's a controversy that is managed and it's going to be constant for the next eight years, if we have eight years. it's going to be one controversy after another. the most important thing for them to do is cabin those controversies and say, you five people, this is what you're devoted to, exclusively devoted to it. none of the rest of you are going to pay attention to it because we have work to do. >> del, is that conceivable?
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mueller has a huge reputation and it's growing. every time there's a new story, it grows in scope. is there going to be a second department of justice down the street that can't answer to the attorney general? >> i was told mueller wants his team to be nimble. the last count i had was 15 attorneys which is not enormous. mueller, as you probably know -- >> i don't know him, but know his reputation. >> sterling, straight ahead, former marine, gave up private practice in a law firm to be a homicide prosecutor. this is a guy who wants to get at the truth of what happened and is good at entcontaining information. not a lot of leaks coming out of his team if at all. is the sessions issue, or slt the white house, where does that come from? this white house is not the most organized -- did you see rex tillerson's comments the other day on the plane saying this is not the most organized -- i'm paraphrasing. >> rooens is doing a fine job
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amidst exploding hand grenades. we have a unitary executive but a special counsel with 15 lawyers that could grow. john eastman, that's not good for the rule of law. >> it's not good for the rule of law. again, i don't think it was necessary. i this rod rosenstein got the rug pulled out from under him, and he said screw, you, guys, i'm going to appoint a special prosecutor, i'm not going to get contradicted two seconds after i say something. >> you agree? >> i think the white house has caused a lot of its own problems with, a, statements that turned out not to be factually accurate later. remember when they got rid of comey? rosen stein knew they were going to fire him anyway. then he called the white house and said, you better correct this matter and it upset him. as you had with your previous guest talked about comey giving the memos to a friend at columbia law school --
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>> 30 seconds, do you think comey violated the law? >> i think he may well have. certainly treating those memos as his personal property rather than government records, and then taking them away, this is the same type of thing that got hillary clinton in trouble on her e-mails. those were government archive records. there are rules about how you dispose of government records. whether there was classified information in them or not is more questionable. if there was, then he clearly violated that law as well. >> thank you del wilbur, thank you john eastman. ladies and gentlemen, i'll be right back. where are we?
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welcome back everyone. i'm alex witt at msnbc world headquarters in new york,
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approaching the half hour, here is what we're monitoring for you. a member of president trump's personal legal team says donald trump jr. did not inform the president about the meeting with the russians because nothing happened at it. jay sekulow also says the meeting broke no laws. we'll have more in a moment. three people dead, 12 others injured after a fire alarm at a honolulu high-rise that didn't have sprinklers. the building was built before they were required. one of the residents who escaped from the 31st floor says the fire was just like a horror movie, only it was for real. in land o lakes florida, a sinkhole is jeopardizing more homes. the sinkhole has swallowed two homes and nine others evacuated. emergency officials say it could take several weeks before the worst is over. new details this morning about the meeting between donald trump jr. and a russian lawyer. msnbc lawyers first reported a
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russian lobbyist was also there. what was his role and what are we learning of it now? joining me, ken delaynian. do we finally know who was in the room during the meeting? >> despite our best efforts, we don't. that says a lot about how this story has evolved. the trump team has had a week to clarify that. don junior went on television and said he told us everything about the meeting. as of last night, we're hearing about a translator and another unnamed person in the room. we're still trying to gather information about that. >> all right. a russian american lobbyist reportedly with ties to russian intelligence also attending that june 9, 2016 meeting that he had with the italian lawyer, natalia vass it in sky yeah. >> he's a lobbyist and operator,
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born in russia, did a stint in the soviet union, came to the u.s., became an american citizen and lobbied in the shadows in corporate and legal fights, sometimes on causes near and dear to the putin government. one is an anti sanctions effort he's been doing with veselnitskaya. >> with the knowledge of him, what do we know in terms of details of the meeting, what did he bring to the meeting. well, veselnitskaya gave an exclusive interview last week and laid out her version of the meeting. he added to it. he says they came to talk about these sanctions and their belief they're based on a fraud, a misrepresentation. what's coming into sharper focus is they also came with information that they believe involved shady contributions to the democratic national
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committee. they may have had a document that they either left or showed to the trump team. the trump team didn't think very much of this information, didn't think it was significant. >> do we know what was in this document? >> we have an idea that it had to do with allegations about a hedge fund manager pouring money into the democratic national committee. it's not even clear the allegations were these were legal contributions. it doesn't seem to have amounted to much, alex. interestingly, current and former intelligence officials say don't focus on the meeting. that's not the issue. the interesting thing is the russian government in these e-mails offered to help the trump campaign and the trump campaign essentially took them up on the offer by having the meeting. >> but i still want to ask about this document. do we know if it was handed to donald trump jr. or any mem other of the trump team who was there? do we know if they kept it? >> accounts differ on that. veselnitskaya told nbc news she
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wasn't clear, she says she either showed it to them or may have left it there. she said it was a two-page document. there's mention it was a folder and it was left there. it's not clear. >> there's a lot that isn't clear. but have you drawn conclusions or significant things to consider when you think about this meeting? >> absolutely. this meeting may be a game changer in the russia investigation. it goes back to the e-mails that came out by rob goldsteone to - he's been in business with the trump family. they say they have information from the russian prosecutors detrimental to hillary clinton and wanted to share it with the trump team. don junior, when he hears this, instead of turning this over to the fbi, takes the meetingment whatever actually happened in this meeting, whether it was a
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nothing berger or not, it shows the trump team was willing to engage with the russians. that's a significant development that's going to garner a lot of scrutiny by bob mueller and the house and senate investigators. >> is it possible, ken, this was a head fake here, just try to gauge the sophistication of the trump team, maybe compromised trump junior to extract some sort of concession at a later date? >> it is, alex. that's a working of current and former intelligence officials that look at this. that's one way it could have gone down. the other thing they suggest is it may have been a dangle, an attempt by russian intelligence to see whether the trump team would go for this over ture. if that was the play, then from the perspective of current and former cia officers i talked to, it succeeded. >> ken, thank you very much. right now let's bring in former federal prosecutor cynthia ox
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knee. considering all that we know, do you think donald trump jr. is in legal jeopardy? >> we don't know enough yet. the campaign finance laws say foreign nationals cannot contribute to american political campaigns and nor can an american citizen solicit money from foreign nationals. so, yes, he's definitely in trouble. the question is did he get anything of value and did he actually solicit? we don't know the answer to that. he has not been forthcoming about exactly what happened despite his protestations to the contrary. it's just going to take some time to flush it all out. the prosecutors will spend time looking at how exactly that meeting was set up and what exactly -- what else besides the e-mails, what else was in the conversations with goldstone and how did it come to pass that goldstone felt he should call jump junior. why did he think trump junior
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was open to that. that's one section. a second section that needs to happen, exactly what happened at the meeting. an interesting person at the meeting, the interpreter. the interpreter does not ally with either the trump campaign, the russian government or anyone else. so what does he say happened? he's possibly a more neutral witness for us to find out what happened. he's key in this investigation at that point. >> you talk about value, cynthia. what constitutes value? can opposition research, can that be value? >> it can be value. of course it can be value. there are companies that do nothing but place a value on opposition research and pay for it. the two-page memo doesn't look like it will rise to the level of value. the question of value really comes down to what looks like -- what happened with the digital operation. so jared kushner is in charge of the digital operation for the
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trump campaign. and they find out there are districts in michigan and pennsylvania where hillary's support is weak. what happens with that information? do they give that to the russians so the russian spamming and all their bots and sending out negative information in pennsylvania about hillary clinton to specific people. did that happen because the trump campaign told them where they were weak? if it did, that's something of value that we need to know about. but probably this two-page memo that talked about the dnc lawyer, i wouldn't say that's anything of value for the purposes of the statute. >> okay. let's take a listen to part of the nightly news report breaking down the e-mail exchange which led to the meeting. here it is. >> on june 3rd, 2016, a trusted associate e-mails trump junior that one of donald trump's former business partners had been contacted with a senior russian government official and was offering the trump campaign information that would incriminate hillary clinton and her dealings with russia and would be very useful to your
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father. adding, this is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of russia and its government's support of mr. trump. minutes later, his reply, if it's what you say, i love it. >> how important is intent with regard to special counsel robert mueller's investigation? >> well, it's very important because there won't be any charges unless there's an intent to solicit, accept or receive anything of value. so it's critical to it. and there are a lot of factors to that. part of it are these e-mail exchanges, some of it also will include the fact that he basically tried to cover up the meeting. that's consciousness of guilt evidence. additionally, were there other meetings, other phone calls? one of the things he said in the course of this is, well, i thought i might take it as a phone call, but instead it ended up as a meeting. did he take other phone calls, other meetings? we can't trust him to tell us the truth about what he did.
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there's much more to come out, great investigative journalism. my guest is in the next six months we find out more things and we'll see if that's enough to rise to the intent. >> last question here, the russian lawyer in the meeting denies she's there on behalf of the russian government. then there's the "wall street journal" interview where she says she was sharing information with russia's prosecutor general. how much ultimately of a difference will ties between those at the meeting and the russian government make in mueller's investigation? >> well, i don't think as much as people think. my understanding from the experts in this area, and i'm not an expert in cia operations, is that it could easily have been an introduction. so i'm not sure we have to track exactly her relationship with the russian government at this point. it doesn't have to be completely
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linked. it would obviously make a difference in the case, but it's not critical. >> cynthia, thank you. good to see you. >> thank you. >> we'll have much more at 1:00 when i talk with the author behind the "red-handed" story on "time" magazine. up next, debbie dingell ways in on the senate's struggles to come up with a health care plan.
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president trump back home after taking part in bastille day celebrations. experts say a russian born soviet intelligence sergeant who
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some u.s. officials suspect has on going ties with russian intelligence was also in the room at trump tower last summer alongside donald trump jr., jared kushner, paul ran fort, lawyer natalia veselnitskaya. >> that's peter alexander last night on "nbc nightly news." joining me now, joe watkins, republican strategist and former white house aide to president george h.w. bush, rick tyler, former cruz campaign spokesman, msnbc political analyst, and zsa zsa lena maxwell. big welcome to you both. rick, i'll go with you first. donald trump jr.'s attorney has been quoted saying he released all the e-mails to try to get it out there, avoid the drip, drip, drip. it seems new information comes out in a drip, drip, drip fashion every day. we know more people were at the meeting than originally thought.
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from a political perspective, what kind of damage do you think has been done. is this head scratching to you, the way this has been unfurled? >> it's all political damage. the problem is it destroys the credibility of destroys the cre of the administration. an administration must have credibility if they want to get anything done, particularly legislatively. i'm convinced the russians did this, they used a cutout, it's an intermediary. what concerns me is this may to the be the only incidence in which they've done that. when you have donald trump constantly defending putin, who is a hostile enemy of the united states, i know people have a problem with that but just look up the history, it makes the administration very vulnerable. >> so, joe, a couple ways you can look at this. you can say the actual information is damaging and then
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the at least perceived deception explaining what happened, which do you think is worse here? >> they're both bad. i don't know which one is worse. it's unfortunate the meeting took place. it was a nothing meeting as such but nonetheless, it didn't look good and it certainly compromised this administration going forward, to have met with those folks. but coming clean, i think what's really important is coming clean when you have information, especially if you want to divulge information about a meeting. just tell everything. just tell it all at once, don't try to hide anything. at least there's a chance for it
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to not go away but not be the nightmare it's become. >> we heard rick say he doesn't think there's any legal concern here ultimately. you advise democrats all the time. what are they saying? do you hear them saying it's just political in nature or do they suspect there is a legal issue? >> i think there is a legal issue. i think we don't know all of the facts yet. there are federal statutes on the book that are applicable to the behavior of donald trump jr., jared kushner and paul manafort and certainly jared kushner has the most to lose because he's still in the white house. is jared kushner compromised? do they have compromising information on him? a few months ago we learned he
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wanted to set up a back channel with the russians. why did he want to do that? i think we have to get jared kushner out of the white house. if you have people in the white house working that closely with the president, we need to be sure they're not compromised by a hostile power. >> she makes a good point here. should he be out? >> i think don jr. was a useful idiot. this guy, jared kushner, should come nowhere near classified information. he's demonstrated over and over again that he just can't tell
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the truth. his first disclosure form had zero on it. now we have over a hundred contacts and that's how we learned of this meeting with don jr. to begin with. >> do you think donald trump is capable of firing family? he seems like family comes first. >> i don't know. if they did do anything wrong legally, he's probably all immune. he could give them blanket immunity preemptively. we don't want an administration that resembles the romanovs. we want people we can trust and forthcoming and who can pass a cross-examination. they have not passed a cross-examination on this meeting. there may be more to come. >> joe, do you have a sense of what the american public thinks about all of this and do you think there's a tipping point
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where it becomes a greater concern? >> that's a great point. the base is very loyal to president trump and i think to everybody else it it does matter because it adds to the narrative the campaign may have been compromised by the russians. if you don't tell the truth and forthcoming with the information, it just makes people more skittish about you. i think middle america is worried about this. they would rather have this all behind us and know once and for all whether or not this campaign was compromised by the russians, whether or not the russians colluded with the trump campaign to get him elected and sadly, not telling the truth, not being forthcoming left-hand side to what this has become, which is a never-ending story. zerlina, how do democrats handle
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this? is there a point it back fires on them? >> you can't get ahead of all of the facts. i think this week is a different week. it was a very different week in terms of the narrative of the story. we didn't know last week that there was actual black-and-white e-mail prove that the administration was willing and open and wanted to get information and dirt on hillary clinton and they didn't care where it came from. it turns out it came from the russians at a time when they were interfering with our elections. is it coincidence where don jr. says i love it, maybe we can do it later, is it a coincidence that wikileaks dumps e-mails?
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robert mueller will find out. >> some states have filed articles of impeachment against the president. is it too soon? >> i don't think it's too soon. i think the country has to be active and engaged and not act like this is is a big deal. this is not partisan. we have no idea what the russians have on this white house. do they have all the rnc and trump e-mails? are they going to interfere in our next election? in terms of this story, this is just the beginning. >> it's good to see you all. thank you so much. >> coming up, debbie dingell is investigating an investigation. and why leonard lance cannot
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