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pope. so -- >> but at lease it's disgraceful be the son of the republican git, tgit candidate, the son hopes to obtain information from a hostile foreign power that gives you the wikileaks disclosure and -- >> i wouldn't have done the meeting. and i don't think it can be any clearer than that. you want to use a lot of other adjectives, that is up to you. but my view is i try to be dispassionate about this. >> you wouldn't call it -- >> i would call at the shouldn't have taken the meeting. >> that will have to be the last word. >> that's what lawyers do. they tell what to do and whatnot to tdo. >> we're and i ovway over oir t. m tch"mtp daily" starts right n. >> that was a riveting interview with the governor and we'll have more on russia in this hour.
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so stay with us for that. but first, if it is tuesday, another plan bites dust. tonight the ghop's campaign promise hits not one, but two more dead he saends. >> from the obvious we don't have 50 member. >> we should not repeal without a replacement. >> let's try to get bipartisan support. >> democrats will come to us. >> so where does that leave the fate of your health care? plus trump country trouble. our new poll shows just how tough it has been to sell the republican health care plan to the president's biggest believers. and the trump jr. meeting guest list comes further into focus. this"mtp daily" and it starts right now. good evening. i'm katy tur in for chuck todd. welcome to "mtp daily."
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it has been a stunning day. in less than 24 hours, we've seen the republican plan to repeal and replace obamacare collapse. we've seen a plan b and we've also seen that collapse, too. we have brand new results from our nbc news wall street journal poll of trump counties out right now with new insight into why this effort may have imploded so spectacularly. more on that in a moment. but we begin with president trump today at the white house basically giving up on his republican congress. >> i'm certainly disappointed for seven years i've been hearing repeal and replace from congress. and i've been hearing it loud and strong. and thp when we finally get a chance to repeal and replace, they don't take advantage of it. so that is disa pointing. so i'm very -- i would say i'm disappointed in what took place. it will go on and we'll win, we'll win on taxes, we'll win on infrastructure and lots other things that we're doing. the way i look at it, in '18, we'll have to get more people
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elected. we have to get more people elect that had republican. >> we saw seven years ever promises derailed in mere hours. last night the senate's health care beill was killed when two more senators announced their opposition to it. the white house says president trump was caught off guard by the news. so mcconnell and the white house went to plan bhchlt urg b to re obamacare now and replace it later. similar to the symbolic repeal votes they took when obama was still in office. >> the senate actually passed the very same bill in 2015 sent to president obama's desk and they should do it again. inaction is not an option. congress needs to step up, congress needs to do their job and congress needs to do their job now. >> as the white house made its case, republican senators were already revolting against it. >> i'm going to oppose the
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motion to proceed. i voted against this approach in 2015. and i do not think that it is going to be constructive. >> where are you on the knmotio to proceed? >> i'm not there. an indefinite hold on this just creates more chaos and confusion. >> we have to play that through and still playing it through. >> my guess is that we're now headed toward normal committee activity that will take 60 votes on the floor. >> i'm concerned about something that would simply repeal and its impact on costs and choices. >> at least three republican senators quickly said they wouldn't even allow the plan to be debated. others signaled resistance. ultimately those three no votes are sufficient to kill the bill, but before it even sees the floor. in reaction, mcconnell and his allies fired right back. >> some time in the near future, we'll have a vote on repealing
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obamacare. essentially the same vote that we had in 2015. >> if you're not willing for vote the same way you voted in 20 15r 2015, then you need to explain to republicans why you are no longer willing to repeal obamacare. >> president trump today looks to insiulate himself. >> i think we're in that position where with we will just let obamacare fail. we one open it, i'm not going to own it, i can tell you the republicans will not own it. we'll let obamacare fail and then the democrats will come to us and they will say how do we fix it. or how do we come up with a new plan. >> here is what the president is saying. don't blame him or his party for not being able to pass their own legislation. and don't blame him or his party when the health care system collapses. even though they ared a mare ad letting that who-tto happen.
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but that might be more palatable option. correspond to our new poll taken in counties that trump won, a mere 12% of voters say the house health care overall which closely mirrored the senate's version is a good idea. even among trump voters in these county, the legislation was viewed positively bri just oy j this four. i'm joined by nbc's garrett. there was a plan a that collapsed, plan b chanced. what happens next? >> sounds like mitch mcconnell will try to go plan b one more time and made it clear they want to try to get a vote on in measure to repeal, gla adelay a then replace. mitch mcconnell knows that vote will fail, but it seems that he wants to get these republican senators sort of smoke them out and determine exactly who is actually against repeal at this
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point. and then they will work backward. the health committee which is the health committee that would oversee this bill had it been done through the normal committee process announced today they plan to hold hearing. at least on shore up the insurance markets which is one of the sort more urgent needs of anything that would be a repeal or fix of obamacare. so it's clear at least some people in the senate don't intend to follow president trump's visitor his call to let obamacare collapse on its own and see if democrats will be left holding bag. some lawmakers here making moves to address some of he's issuthe. >> so we have three senators who have said that they are plot comfortable voting on anything that doesn't have the plan for replace already in it.plot comfortable voting on anything that doesn't have the plan for replace already in it. they are not comfortable just delaying in for another two years, they are not confident that anybody will come to an agreement. how can mitch mcconnell convince them that they should trust that this caucus which hasn't been
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able to come to a decision up until now while the president has all this political capitol wou capital would be able to do so later on? >> that is a fantastic question capital would be able to do so later on? >> that is a fantastic question. and they don't have that answer after seven years of discussing what obamacare replacement would look like. but that is part of the reason you are seeing those three senators and even john mccain at home recovering from surgery to respond to this. he said we need to go through the committee process. we need to find out what people want. republicans are just as committed as ever to repealing obamacare. but it's very clear and those poll numbers demonstrate it, they have failed at coming up with a palatable replacement that even their own voters will say you're right, this is a better plan forward. >> what does this mean for mitch mcconnell's leadership? >> well, republican senators i spoke to today still said vepd that they still trust him. i talked to lindsey graham about this kind of at length this afternoon. he said this is the u.s. senate.
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people are senators from their states and some of these people and you see it with lisa murder cow ski, susan collins, they take their state responsibilities very clearly.m they take their state responsibilities very clearly. not that they don't trust mitch mcconnell, not that they are push back against his leadership per se, but that they take these state issues more seriously than being a part of the gop caucus you might say. so there is this big call or push back against mitch mcconnell's leadership so far, but you do hear the frustration on the hill and you certainly heard it today from the white house. >> what about the white house? how do republican senators feel about the white house's effort to get this done? >> they are very careful not to openly criticize the president for this. in my experience what i'm hearing you are not area hearing people saying we wish the president was doing x, y and z. i think they know that the president can't necessarily be the chief salesman for this especially when you consider who those no votes are.
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the president complaint speak to lisa murkowski's -- or can't speak to susan collins voters in maine and convince them this is a good plan for them. mcconnell says he wants the senate to get thing done. so it seems for now they are happen with president trump keeping his distance. but historically big things don't get done on capitol hill without presidential leadership. sometimes they don't get done even then. but it usually takes the president to push big things like this over the finish line and we have not seen that from this white house on this bill. >> garrett hank, thank you very much. i'm joined now by patty murray of washington, member of the senate health committee which will be holding hearings on health care. senator, thank you very much for joining us first off. >> nice to talk to you. >> and secondly, we know you oppose the gop health care bill. we know that you are not going to get on board with those as
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they stand right now. but what are the democrats doing in order to come up with a solution to fix the areas of obama care that are not working as smoothly as people might have wanted? >> well, i'm glad you asked that because democrats have been clear for a very long time that parts of the aca that aren't working as well as we would like them to, we want to work on solutions to that. we have offered a number of positive steps to take that. but let's be clear, since the day after the election, this administration has said we will make obamacare fail. all way up until today which is what the president has said. they have not been working to make it work. they have ban woeen working to it not work. but on top of that, we have now spent the last seven months going through this debate about what they would replace it with and they have not come up with something that is not only sellable to the american public, but that would actually work.
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>> what are those fixes that you have offered, senator? >> sure. we've talked about making sure that payments are paid to the market so that it is secure. and this president has said he will have lawsuits not make the payments, he's making in a uncertainty in the market create problems. we have talked about offering public options in places where there aren't enough options for people to buy insurance. that will help bring the cost down to american families. we are more than willing to debate all of those in between and to offer those as suggestions, but what i would say to my republican colleagues now is what is the choice you are going to make. are you going to join with the president and continue to create chaos and work to make obamacare fail, or work with us to get the market restabilized after the last seven months of uncertainty and we are willing to work with you if that is the route that we can if a. take. >> i was talking to a health care expert and i asked her what the fix was fora.
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take. >> i was talking to a health care expert and i asked her what the fix was forifa. take. >> i was talking to a health care expert and i asked her what the fix was for obamacare and she said without strengthening the mandate, you won't get anywhere. fwip given that is single pay jor the only viable option? >> i think there are a number of option and i think the challenge we've had is because we haven't had any hearing, we haven't had any debate. this was a bill written in a back room by 13 men as we all know. we haven't had those options out in the open so we analyze them. get scores. see how the market would respond to them. and be able to put forward good positive ways to create a strong stable market for all the counties in country. >> so bernie sanders, liz bet warren, kamala harris, all say single boy single payor is the way to go. does democratic leadership agree? >> one of the things i've talked about a lot is the public option. there are people talking about
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allowing people to buy into medicare at a younger age. and of course there are other options as well. again none of those have had public hearing or debates, so we know what impact to the market would be, what the cost to families would be and that is what i'm hoping that we can focus on as we move forward because health compare is so important to families. >> but you say that there are a numbermpare is so important to families. >> but you say that there are a numberpare is so important to families. >> but you say that there are a numberare is so important to families. >> but you say that there are a number of people with a number of options. but my question was does democratic leadership agree with the more progressive wing of the democratic party right now, remember, that they are wing getting a lot of attention at the moment about having single payor health care? >> i think we are all willing to have a conversation, but what we do to know is what will be the implication, the cost to family. what it would mean in term of people who have health care today. and we don't have the answers to
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that because we've never had any hearings. and they would cut medicaid for so many people, we are not for that. >> let's take a listen to chuck schumer a little earlier today. >> the door to bipartisanship is open right now. not with repeal, but with an effort to improve the existing system. the door is open right now. republican leadership only needs to walk through it. >> so skeptics say hey, listen, house democrats were on the house floor after the house passed their version of the bill and they were singing hey, hey, good-bye.
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skeptics says that democrats want to watch the republicans flounder. so prove them wrong. tell us where the democrats are willing to work and negotiate with the republicans. what issue exactly are you willing to come to the table for? >> i think that is a really important question. what we have seen is that the republicans have come forward not with a way to assure people have lower health care costs or that we have a market that works, but with plans to give a tax break away, to cut medicaid and take health care away from many americans with disabilities, kids with disabilities, senior citizens, and a system that would not work. we want them to say we're not going donna path anymore. we won't cut medicaid dramatically, we will not give tax breaks away, we will not work to make barack obama c.a.r.e. fail. we want to work with you to provide health care assurance for all americans that they will have health care when they need it, that it's affordable and quality and provides what their
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fan needs. >> i ask all high profile democrats who the leader the democratic party is right now. so far not a single person can give me a name. you can give me a name today? >> look, i think what is important right now is that as democrats we work together to show the american people we are on their side. >> so no? >> i will tell you that what is important is that we allow a lot of ships to sail so we can say who the leader of the party will be and we need to listen to them. but what is important right now today is for democrats to continue to show the american people we're on their side. again, when it comes to health care or when it comes to fighting against tax cuts for the wealthy, or when it's moving to make sure that americans get the jobs and security that they deserve. >> senator patty murray, thank you very much for your time. and we have a lot it dissect with the panel ahead. plus the one thing we know
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comcast business. built for business. women coelcome back. republicans have gone through a number of versions of their health care bill and so far nothing has made everyone happy. but while paul ryan and mitch mcconnell has had trouble appeasing all the factions, they do have one thing going for them. one critical person has remained with them the entire time. president trump wants a win and he has indicated he will sign whatever he is given. >> repeal and replace. i am sitting in the oval office with a pen in hand waiting for our senators to give it to me. we have a president that is waiting to sign it. i have pen in hand. i'm sitting in the oval office right next door pen in hand waiting to sign something and i'll be waiting. >> but the president is left
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with nothing to sign. and as garrett mentioned a few minutes ago, some critic say the president hasn't done enough on his own to sell bill. we just found out the president will be doing a rally in ohio next week, but he hasn't held any kind of nationwide tour with rallies in states with on the fence senators. he never gave ao outlining speech and never held a health care town hall and we haven't heard that he ever prn will reached out to any democrats to even try to get tell on board. so what are the next steps from here? we're back in 60 seconds. my ancestry dna results are that i am 26% nigerian. i am just trying to learn as much as i can about my culture. i put the gele on my head and i looked into the mirror and i was trying not to cry. because it's a hat, but it's like the most important hat i've ever owned. discover the story only your dna can tell.
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that's what i do. i know how to do this stuff. it will be repeal and replace. it will be essentially assi simultaneous simultaneously. we'll mostly be on the same day or same week, but probably the same day. could be the same hour. >> welcome back. let's bring in the panel. senior politics reporter, "washington post" columnist and also the president of the latino part flner ship for conservativ principles. the president made a lot of promises. that they will repeal and replace. the repeal will company, maybe repeal now and replace later. don't worry, we'll have universal health care for everybody. i mean, does it matter what is said to his desk? >> was going to be better. it was going to be cheaper. and it was going to cover everyone. and then he essentially handed
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it off to paul ryan and patted help on the back and said good job, get back to me with something. i want that's how it went down. i think this says a lot more about trump's leadership than mcconnell's. because remember promise of trump. he was supposed to be a transformative political figure because he's not an i'd i'd log. but what we've learned is that he either doesn't have the discipline or the nothing, pokn policy expert tease to thread that needle and to bring people together. and so whattease to thread that needle and to bring people together. and so what happened was he essentially outsourced this to the very establishment that he ran against. and completely abandoned this populist mantle that essentially got him elected. >> he's jumping around on all sides of this issue. first he was for the house health care bill, then he thought it was mean, and the
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question i'm having alphonso, why was he so on board with having the senate republicans do whatever they could to get something passed after all, you know, he did say he wanted health care for everybody on the campaign trail and then there is also this poll which shows that even in places that donald trump won with his own voters, that this was not a very popular deal. look at this, good idea, 12%. that is it. bad idea, 41%. no opinion 45%. and this just among his voters. only 25 administe% could say it idea. so why is the president so hell went at getting this done? >> he's desperate for a win. >> but what does a win mean being just a win in legislation? what about the fepeople affect o had lose their health care? >> i agree, but i think many would agree that passing
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something is better than not doing anything. doing away with many of the regulations from bochl care individual mandates, that is a step forward. and i think he wants to get something done to show that he can win, that he can govern and start improving things. now, having said that, look, i don't blame only trump. i think there is so much that he can do. there is a reality here and that is that within the republican caucus in congress, there is a great deal of ideological t diversity. there are divergent views. if you accommodate conservatives, you an takinid td moderates. but at some point republicans have to govern, have to come together and pass something. and i have to say, donald trump was meeting last night with a group of senators. he had been make calls. i don't know what more he could have done in terms of congress. i really blame congressional
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republicans for an ability to actually get something done and pass legislation. >> hold that thought. ruth, passing something better than passing nothing. >> well, that has been the sort of to be or not to be, lady or the tiger question of health care. both for republican congres and democrat. they want to win, they need to deliver on what was their core promise to voter. on other hand, the more they looked at the consequences of what her doing, tthey were doino would lose coverage, higher premiums, less coverage, in-credin-kre in-credit credible medicate cut, the more problematic it became. which is worse, passing or not passing is a very difficult question. and it actually helps explain why they couldn't get to passing something. >> so this president is the most
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transactional president we've certainly ever had. probably one of the most transactional politicians we've had. that is the way that everybody describe him. he doesn't care about ideology. he is all about getting things done. he's called himself this wonderful deal maker. so alphonso, if that is the case, and if the republican caucus is so varied in their i had yol gis, why not go down the middle and say with have to find a better system of health care in this country. obamacare isn't working. let's work with the moderate republicans and the moderate democrats to find something brand new, we're not necessarily going to call it repeal because we know that is a bugaboo for the democrats and they won't sign on, but find a way on come together. after all, he is supposed to be deal maker. and not just to work with the republicans. >> the problem is that you are
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assuming that democrats want to work with republicans. look, this began when obamacare was passed, it was ran through congress without consulting -- without any republican votes. so they began this. and i don't see a genuine effort by democrats to really want to sit down with republicans to work on something. again, i don't think this is over. i think this is going to take time. legislative process is a messy process. i think we have to give it time. however, what i would say is that let's start working, let's start debating on other pieces of legislations like tax reform. we -- >> you can't get tax reform wow the tax cuts from this. >> i know a lot of people felt that tax reform is dependent on health care reform, but i think we'll have to at the same time start debating tax reform because if not, we may end up this year without any legislation. and i think tax reform is
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essential to get the economy running to get the economy to grow at an over 3%. >> heidi, quickly, do you buy that, that democrats didn't want to work with republicans, period, on this president no matter what the president did, they weren't going to -- >> no, the strategy from the beginning was not to work with democrats because they chose to do it by this procedural move called reconciliation which means that you can do it on a party line vote. because republicans are very invested remember, they have eight years invested in this of saying that obamacare is utterly failing and that it must be repealed. it must be ripped up by its roots. democrats know that is not true. that is not true based on studies by impartial group like the kazki kaiser family foundat. and we're talking about millions losing health care versus working on flaws of obamacare which is that you have this individual lar ket where a small number of people, a few million people and to them it means a
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lot, they are paying a lot more, that that needs to be addressed. but the reason why this never happened was ideological because republicans couldn't support obamacare, they didn't want a real mandate and the reason why it isn't working are structural because there isn't a real mandate that requires everybody to be in including the sick and the unhealthy. >> all right. stay with us. we'll have more time later on. still ahead, the russia connection. new details about who else was in the room when donald trump jr. and the russians, you won't want to miss that. plus we've learned that president trump had a second meeting with vladimir putin at the g-20. what happened in that meeting? stay with us. ♪ this is a story about mail and packages. and it's also a story about people. people who rely on us every day to deliver their dreams they're handing us more than mail
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welcome back. nbc news has confirmed the identity of another prn in that june 26 meeting at trump tower. so we now know of eight people who were in the room. according to a source with direct knowledge of the meeting, an american based employee of a russian real estate company was there. he reportedly was there to represent the russian developers who hosted the miss universe pageant in russia in 2013 and who helped arrange the meeting along with rob goldstone. but it's where the information came from that might hint at a big development in the entire russia investigation. the develop are's lawyer
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confirmed he received a phone call from a representative of special council bob weekend. they want to interview him. that could mean that the special council was looking into this meeting at trump tower and also breaking today, ian brem are er the first to report of a second heating with president trump and vladimir putin at the g-20. the white house confirms that the president did speak with putin toward the pd he saend of they can calling a couples only dinner. no staff or cabinet members attended that dinner. joining me now congressman on the house entell gintelligence t the. let's focus on russia and the meeting between don jr. and the russian lawyer. there has been a discrepancy on when the intelligence committees found out about this. when did you guys find out about
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the meeting? >> i think most of us found out at the same time it was being published in the recent. but what happened is robert mueller will be talking to everybody that was probably in that meeting, he is going to city whether there was any vigs violation a the law and how it fits in the broader criminal investigation. >> you've said that you wouldn't have taken that meeting. are you worry that had this could turn out to be criminal? >> well, i wouldn't -- i agree with that statement.worry that d turn out to be criminal? >> well, i wouldn't -- i agree with that statement. i wouldn't have accepted that meeting. part of that is based on the fact that i spent 9 1/2 years as an undercover officer in the cia and i dealt with russian intelligence pretty much in most
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of my tours. and this is -- the russian intelligence is notorious for trying to set up, trying to get people in compromising positions. you know, i think i trust robert mueller to go over this with a fine tooth comb to determine whether there was indeed anything violating the law, but i'd also like to get all these details out. let's stop hearing drips and drab. because this takes away from this is a distraction and it takes away from broader conversation we should be having like how do we be prepared for the russians to do this again. it was clear the russians tried to through our elections. and they will try to do it again in 2018. do we have a strategy it deal with counter covert influence. and also we should be talking about other country like china as well while we're focused on russia, we know that the chinese have been involved in getting into our systems and the private sector as well. and we still believe that they
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should adhere to some agreements that were made under the last administration. >> so you have brought up two things. first that you want all this information to get out. do you think that the white house and that don jr. have been as forthcoming as they should be, should there just be a complete list of everybody, every foreign national they might have met with during the campaign, the transition? >> well, i think that the public provision of e-mails is a pretty bold step. i think with folks that are current -- >> but we're still getting names of who was in that meeting. >> and when it comes to the russia investigation oversharing is probably a good thing. and that everybody should be reviewing anybody that was connected to the campaign or to the administration should be-of overshare when it comes to contacts with the russians. i think that is not a bad place to be.
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in order to precevent these kin of reaction when information does come out. >> so the other thing was your 9 1/2 years at the ceo. i did a long piece for sunday night with megyn kelly and i spoke to a former moscow chief and he said that essentially this meeting to him given his experience in moscow and the cia looked very much like human fishing, like the kremlin was trying to dangle something in front of the trump campaign to see whether or not they would be interested in it and we found out from the e-mails that, yes, they were interested in it. >> it is indeed a tactic that the russians have used time and time again. whether that was indeed the case in this specific meeting that we're talking about, we have to leave that up to mueller to try to investigate and understand the motivations behind the russian reaching out. and i think that is an important thing to understand.
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but it does reek of russian intelligence motivation and tactics and again, when it comes to russia, they are not our ally. they are our adversary. and we need to treat them that way. and they will resort to and i i asymmetrical warfare to try to undergirt trust in our nations. and we can't let that happen. and there are man of us that have been exposed to russia trying to vprevent that from happening in the future. thank you very much. and just ahead, the two politicians that americans like less than president trump. your . or your digestion... so why wouldn't you take something for the most important part of you... your brain. with an ingredient originally found in jellyfish, prevagen is now the number one selling brain health supplement in drug stores nationwide.
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now's your chance at completely clear skin. just ask your doctor about taltz. welcome back. it's time for the lid. let's turn to the panel. the president had another meeting with vladmir putin. this was at the couple's only dinner. it seems to be a one-on-one conversation with vladmir putin. we don't know the extent of it. what dwlo you make of that? is that unusual? >> it seems pretty unusual to me. i cannot remember another time and maybe i'll be proved wrong, when the president of the united states had a bilateral meeting with a foreign leader especially as important as vladmir putin and it was hidden from public
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view in this way. one minute last week the president is praising his son, don junior for transparency. every day we learn something else that we didn't know. if you're going to have another meeting with putin, why would you want to keep it hidden. why not just tell us about it? things leak out any way. this is a lesson this administration has been slow to learning. >> we did see an image of melania sitting next to vladmir putin. are you concerned about that? >> certainly. i don't think they are being transparent. ij p they haven't been totally transparent and come forward. we get drips and drips of information coming out.
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it creates a terrible perception they are not being forthcoming. i see no problem with donald trump meeting with vladmir putin. the irony here is when we look at our policy towards russia right now, it's tougher than the policy that president obama had toward russia. we bump syria. nobody is talking about that. >> what about the russian diplomatic compounds that we might be giving back? what about the russian sanctions bill which has held up in the house that the president and the
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white house somewhere said they would not sign? >> the reports are that the white house is heavily behind that lobbying effort to stop the sanctions bill which breezed through in a bipartisan basis in the senate. he makes a number of good points but overall the one thing that russia cares most about are those sanctions. the indication we have based on the reporting is the trump officials shortly after the election, mike flynn, did discuss trying to lift those sanctions for russia. that is the most important strategic goal. the trump administration has had its hands tied and unable to do anything like that. the russian compounds story would be another gift to the russians that would be important to them because we know for instance they were conducting a lot of their spy operation out of those compounds. for the most part, the trump
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administration has its hands tied because of this backlash to what we're now learn about what went on during the campaign. >> there's still a lot of news coming out and people are being forced to answer questions on it. nicole wallace has chris christie on just before this. take a listen to their conversation. >> you're a prosecutor. you prosecuted people. >> where's the crime? >> is there a campaign -- how do you know that nothing of value? >> i don't know. i'm sure bob mueller will try to find out. you don't prosecute people until you have the facts. my problem with a lot of what's been going on is people are prosecuting folks before they know the facts. >> is the media prosecuting people before they know the facts? >> i don't think we get prosecutorial authority. to try to find out facts and facts that have come out have
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not been very attractive for the trump campaign or don juniojuni. there was another part of that conversation that was very skbr interesting with governor christie where he said i wouldn't have taken that meeting. i would have known that's a problem. i don't think you need to go to law school or have years in a prosecutor's office to know it's a bad idea to have a meeting with foreign official or foreign attorney who is described as representing a foreign government. the fact the president of the united states has so far been unwilling to say that. he said this most politicians would have taken that meeting. that's just -- it's wrong and troubling. >> most politicians have said they would not have taken that meeting. chris christie is right about one thing and bob mueller will figure out whether or not there's any criminalalty. it looks like bob mueller is
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mudville jokes aside. nbc kasie hunt got to throw out the first pitch for the orioles. this is so awesome. we're going to give her the credit for the o's 3-1 win over the rangers. she got to hang out with the mascot too. congrats to our pal, my buddy. our awesome road warrior. we'll be back tomorrow with more mtp daily. have a good night. we begin with breaking news tonight. previously unreported direction between president trump and vladmir putin. a white house official said president trump spoke to putin at a couple's only dinner. vladmir putin was seated next to first lady melania trump. nbc news has not confirmed how long he talked to putin or what was discussed. during the dinner president trump was

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