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and the staggering courage and character of that man is something that every american ought to be thinking about today as well. >> amen. >> totally agree. amen to that. that does it for us this morning. stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage right now, and she has a big interview this morning with elizabeth warren. >> thanks, mika. good morning. i'm stephanie ruhle. guess what we're talking about? the president lashing out. president trump in a wild new interview hitting james comey, robert mueller and his own attorney general for doing the right thing, recusing himself. >> if he was going to recuse himself, he should have told me before he took the job and i would have picked somebody else. >> jared kushner, donald trump jr., and paul manafort now officially scheduled to be questioned by the senate next week. and the fighter, senator john mccain diagnosed with brain cancer. the nation, the world rallying around this true american hero.
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>> this does has never had any more worthy opponent. and she's here for a little sell participation. senator elizabeth warren joins us live with her report card on the president's first six months. today's the day. let's have a toast. did he drain the swamp as promised? senator warren will let us know. we'll begin, of course, this morning with that bombshell, dare i say bizarre-o interview from president trump with "the new york times" where he takes aim at one of his earliest allies and his own attorney general, jeff sessions, and drawing a red line for the russia investigation, not russia against the united states, russia and the trump campaign. we have the best team in the business starting with nbc's kristen welker. kristen, president trump bad-mouthing again, i might say, his own attorney general, and some of the players in the russia investigation. what exactly did he say? i don't even understand his motivation at this point. >> reporter: the comments were
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striking, steph, no doubt. president trump has privately expressed frustration about the fact that attorney general jeff sessions recused himself from the russia investigation for months now. we've known about this. but this is the first time we're really hearing the president say it and he's saying it in very stark terms. take a listen to what he told "the new york times." >> how do you take a job and then recuse yourself? if he would have recused himself before the job, i would have said, thanks, jeff, but i can't, you know, i'm not going to take you. it's extremely unfair and that's a mild world, to the president. >> we reached out to the attorney general's office. no response yet. jeff sessions has a previously scheduled news conference in about an hour so we'll be tracking that closely. as for the other points that you mention, the president did draw a red line effectively when it comes to the special counsel investigation saying that robert mueller would be going out of
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bound if he tried to get financial information from the president about his family that didn't relate to russia. and he had some sharp words for ousted fbi director james comey as well, saying that he thinks that dossier which contains damaging information, which has been disproven or i should say the contents of which have never been disproven, which the president has said are completely false, he thinks that james comey tried to use that to hold over his head, to keep his own job. now, of course, james comey testified about the dossier and his decision to tell president trump about the dossier he says because he thought it would ultimately become public and he didn't want the president to be caught off guard. one final interesting note from that wide-ranging interview, steph, president trump saying he doesn't think he's under investigation. of course those comments coming despite the fact that robert mueller is looking into whether there was any obstruction of justice. >> extraordinary. i go back to the president's words on the podium yesterday. when you think there's something
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there, there's always something. my panel, kate kelly, wall street reporter for "the new york times," jason johnson and msnbc contributor and politics editor at the root dotcom. and maya harris making her debut as an msnbc contributor and legal analyst, also a former senior policy adviser for hillary clinton's campaign. jason, how about a little role play to start the day? you tear president. i'm jeff sessions. jeff sessions has already reportedly said guess what, you don't like what i'm doing, i'll go home, i'll stop. why is the president doing this now? and you have to answer as president trump. let's really role play. >> okay. this is bald. this is bad. this is bad. but you're a good guy shgt you're a good guy, you're not as good as macron, but i don't trust you, jeff. i don't trust you. i need some loyalty. that's trump. he need more loyalty from jeff sessions. -- so that he doesn't get mad at him for recusing himself for something that jeff sessions lied about because it was a part
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of the trump campaign. >> just to state the obvious that we all know, the president shoots from the hip. i'm not sure there was a ton of fore thought into what he said about sessions. i think he was honest and blunt about his feelings at that moment in time. they are feelings that he has had on and off for some time now. the russian investigation as we all know kind of won't go away as a story line partly because there's an open investigation but also because the president is preoccupied with it and he brings it up all the time, in private conversations and apparently in public ones. >> i think there's a real concern in terms of the comments he's made obviously because they also seem to indicate that, you know, first he wants loyalty from comey, now he wants loyalty or allegiance from attorney general, like he's wanting to run this the way he runs his business, which is not the way the government works and certainly not the way the justice department works, which is an independent institution. these senior officials take an oath to the constitution, not donald trump, and he fundamentally misunderstands
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that. >> if he wants to run it the way he runs his business, shouldn't those around him remember he's gone bankrupt four times? i want to share what he said about robert mueller. >> mueller was looking at your finances and your family's finances unremitted to russia, is that a red line? >> would that be a breach of what his actual charge is? >> i would say yeah, i would say yes. >> that's a red line. you cannot go into my family's finances. once robert muler is in that kitchen, he's in there. >> it's called an independent investigation for a reason. the whole purpose of this exercise is not to exonerate donald trump or prove his innocence. it's to get to the truth, wherever it may take us. and the american people deserve to know whether their president a operating in the american's interests or his own business or financial interests. this is a completely fair question to be asked. >> does donald trump have any point in that if robert mueller's job is not to
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exonerate donald trump, it's also not his job to look under every rock there possibly is to see if he, you know, cheated on his homework in 1962. >> i just think mueller -- >> which i'm going to take a guess he probably did. which you know what, i may have as well. >> procedurally, he's in a very awkward spot now because trump has eventually said i will fire him if he gets into this area of inquiry. if the investigation leads him there, i'm sure he'll feel compelled to proceed and risk being fired but that of course would be totally counterproductive to the entire effort. >> which goes into this bizarre history he's created, this alternative universe he's created where somehow rod rosenstein told him to fire comey and rod rosenstein also stacked him in the back by appointing mueller. the president's inability to put together basic chronology of what his own behavior lead to is part of what makes this interview so bizarre. we've seen rambling things from trump before, but i don't think he knows what he did yesterday
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let alone the consequences of what he'll do today. >> making him a defense attorney's nightmare and a prosecutor's dream. i want to share more of what he said when he was specifically talking about his conversation with vladimir putin. >> it was not a long conversation, but it was, you know, could be 15 minutes. just talked about things. i actually talked about russian adoption with him, which is interesting because that was a part of the conversation that don had in that meeting. >> okay. ewing my president trump decoder ring, adoptions means sanctions. does the president not understand that whether that meeting was 15 minutes or 50 minutes sanctions and adoptions are one and the same and you sit down with vladimir putin, you are getting in the way of some serious foreign policy issues. >> apparently not, which of course is pretty surprising given all of what's unfolded with his son and the meeting that they had and all of the conversations that, you know, we've had since then about adoption, the magnitsky act,
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collusion. so it's pretty surprising that, you know, he is seemingly unawares. but the reality is when you look at trump's behavior, when you read the rest of the interview and look at statements he's made in the past, he really doesn't seem to know a lot about what's going on with any of us. he doesn't seem to understand the seriousness of the investigation and why it matters. he doesn't seem to understand why sessions recused himself and the importance of having an investigation that has integrity and how having an investigation with integrity can benefit him if he doesn't have anything to hide. he doesn't understand that his attorney general is not his junior employee who he can expect to put his personal political interest before the american people. it's really a problem across the board and it comes through clearly in this interview. >> there's something else to hide. 17 million bucks. 17 large. "new york times" reported paul manafort in the hole to russian
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interests, going into the campaign for 17 large. >> right. >> how do we square this one off? >> well, i mean, manafort's obviously got a very serious problem here and, you know, he's one of the key individuals in these inquiries. so it's just putting more detail on what is already a very serious issue for him among others. >> i need a quick yes/no. does jeff sessions quit? >> no. >> yes. >> yes. >> that's what makes markets. we'll soon find out. we have to turn to some other news, news that shook capitol hill shgt i want to shay it shook the world last night. senator john mccain diagnosed with brain cancer. this was revealed after he underwent surgery this week for a blood clot just above his left eye. msnbc's garrett haake is on capitol hill. garrett, you were on the hill seemingly all day, all night yesterday speaking to lawmakers as they learn this news. what are you hearing?
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>> yeah, stepny. let me set the scene for you last night. we had about 15 or 20 republican senators meeting behind closed doors on health care. this is a senators only meeting. their aides weren't even in the room. they were sort of cloistered away last night when this news broke. lindsey graham, who is john mccain's best friend in washington, d.c., and probably his best friend who he's not immediately related to, was on the phone with john mccain when he walked into that meeting room. he broke the news to rest of the senators. they were absolutely stunned by this, depressed. they sort of stomed the meeting right in their tracks and asked one of the member who is's a former pastor back in oklahoma to say a prayer for john mccain right then and there. they tried to keep working after that, but everyone we talked to coming out including lindsey graham, especially lindsey graham, so emotional about not having this person who served as the spiritual leader of the republican party in the senate. here was lindsey graham talking to our cameras right after that meeting late last night.
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>> pray. i don't know, god knows how this ends, not me, but i do know this -- this disease has never had a more worthy opponent. >> a >> reporter: one of the things he said was after about five minutes of conversation about the tumor, john mccain was talking about passing a defense authorization. he was talking about health care. he was talking about the work. he urged his republican colleagues to get back to work and that's what we're going to see here shortly this morning. >> john mccain is a great american and certainly a fighter. let's turn to nbc news medical contributor dr. natalie azar. dr. natalie, john mccain's family in their statements have said they are weighing treatment options. what kind of options are they here? >> the standard course of therapy is chemotherapy and radiation after the tumor was surgically resected. that's the standard of care. with that, the median survival is roughly 14 months. five-year survival statistics about 5 to 17%.
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things that factor into the prognosis are age, so older age patients tend to have a worse outcome. >> his 80, but his mom, i want so say she's 105. >> amazing. we know he's strong guy so i certainly have all the faith there. they also study the tumor and look at two specific markers that will predict how well he responds to chemo and will know the result and the status of those in about a week or two. a little early to say exactly what path is going to be followed but the standard of care again is resection, you hope to get as much out as you can according to the scans, they did get a complete resection, which is great, and then chemo and radiation would be the standard of care. >> well, we are certainly sending him all of our prayers, and we know he's going to get the very best treatment. dr. natalie, thank you so much. next, cbo scores, straight repeal of obamacare, and those numbers, they ain't good. founding member of the freedom caucus congressman jim jordan, explains what he thinks it needs to be repealed even without a
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replacement. but before we go, the celebration day for president trump. the six-month anniversary of his inauguration. we've spoken before about his low poll numbers. but how does he compare to past presidents at this point in their tenure? according to gallup, he is by far the lowest approval rating at this point of any of the last six presidents. the only other one even below 55% at the six-month mark, bill clinton. and you know bill clinton had a rough first year. last year, he said he was going to dig a hole to china. at&t is working with farmers to improve irrigation techniques. remote moisture sensors use a reliable network to tell them when and where to water. so that farmers like ray can compete in big ways. china. oh ... he got there. that's the power of and.
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my message today is really simple. we have to stay here, we shouldn't leave town, and we should hammer this out and get it done. >> president trump there demanding that republicans remain in d.c. until they have a plan to repeal and replace obamacare. just hours later, nearly two dozen senators met to hash out their differences. >> we still do have work to do to get to a vote of 50, but people are committed to continuing that work. >> we've just got a ways to go yet. it will take a little more patience. >> i don't think we're as far as some people think they are but there's work to be done, no doubt. >> trying to get to 50. working on it. >> any closer? >> hard to say. >> i'm joined by ohio republican congressman jim jordan, a founding member of the house freedom caucus. congressman, i know you want to vote to repeal the aca even if there's no replacement ready. you've had a lot of time to come up with a replacement.
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why would another year or two make any difference? >> well, senator mccain has said this, if you can repeal it first, that may be the catalyst you need to create the momentum you need for actually a bipartisan solution where we could work on some of the things that the more moderate members of the republican conference and democrats are really focus on like some of the medicaid expansion issues, the opioid issues, as well as some of those things we believe on the conservative side would bring down premiums like expanding health savings accounts, easier formation of association health plans, and interstate shopping for insurance. so that's the kind of trade that can be set up if you first repeal it, which everyone onos we have to do, and oh by the way, what we told the american people we were going to do when they elected us. >> not everyone knows we have to replace it. i would say there's consensus that it has to be improved. and do you have to replace it and take that kind of risk to motivate people to work together? the cbo says we could see nearly 17 million more people go
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uninsured by next year alone. premiums doubling in 2 1/2 years. why repeal it and say i'm going to put a gun to your head to work together? why not not just work together? >> first of all, it never hurts to do what you said nap's what we told the american people we were going to do in 2010, 2014, 2016s when we won elections on that issue. >> you said repeal and replace, not just repeal. >> so let's repeal it then replace it in another piece of legislation. they can happen at the same time. that's not quite working out in the same bill, but they can happen in the same time two different bills or repeal it then get to the replace. second, cbo, this the same cbo who said when obamacare passed that 21 million americans would be on obamacare right now when in fact the numb inter9 million. the same cbo that said when the medicaid expansion happen under obamacare the cost would be $4600. instead it's $6200. >> the cbo -- >> it go the facts that have happen wrd cbo has been wrong
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countless times. second, and you guys never talk about this, our repeal bill says it's not effective until december 31st, 2018. if it were passed today and president trump would sign it tomorrow, there's a year and a half before it takes effect. that's time for what i just described, people to come together and put together a replacement plan that will bring down premiums, which have risen dramatically under obamacare, and if you can pay your premium, can you afford the four, six, eight thousand dollar deduckable so many plans have that so many are experiencing. that's how we can come together and solve problems for american families. >> you said yesterday you have a full understanding of what the american people want. i'm looking at the this new cnn poll that says 35% want to abandon the repeal only if you're going to then have an immediate replacement. it doesn't seem like the american people want to take this risk. it seems like it's a campaign promise that you want to just
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check off. >> no. we want to do what we told the american people we were going to do, what we think is best. never forget where we're at and never forget what the democrats told the american people when they passed this terrible thing called obamacare. remember all the false statements we were told. like your plan, chemoyour plan. like your doctor, keep your doctor. we were told premiums would go down. the president of the united states said premiums would go down on average $2,500. we were told the website was going to work. we were told the website information on their was secure. we were told that emergency room visits could trade deadline. they've went up. and we were told these co-ops would be wonderful. >> you are right. >> 18 of the 22. everything we were told -- >> and that -- >> this law has to be repealed. let's do it as soon as possible with the effective date in the future a year and a half. that gives us time to putting to the replacement. >> there are loads of obamacare problems. that is one of the reasons president trump won the election. >> right. >> it is also why republicans
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control it all. so why can't you get your house together? you don't need democrats. you can blame democrats but you near the most beautiful position. you don't need them. >> you know what, stephanie? you're right. we did that in the house. we did come together. we had an intense debate in the house. i know because of that intense debate we conservatives made the bill that left the house a better piece of legislation that actually brought down premiums. so let's hope the senate can do the same thing there and have the same process up fold over there. if they don't, we started the process yesterday with doing a discharge petition, bringing out the clean repeal and doing again what we told the american people we were going to do. >> is president trump your ally here? yesterday he said republicans do a poor job of trying to explain this and sell the new health care idea, this new bill, yet i'm reading the interview he did with "the new york times" where he's talking about entitlements and i want to share a quote where he says, you know, you're 21 years old, you start working and you're paying 12 bucks a year for insurance and by the
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time you're 70 you get a nice plan. it's as though the president has a very sophomoric understanding of how health care works. so is the president your advocate here? is he helping you sell this? >> i think the president's helping us on this issue and a host of others. i think what has to happen is congress has to do what we said. again, we make this job way too complicated. i know what i told the voters in the fourth district of ohio. i know in crawford county i get -- today there is not one single plan offered in the exchange, not one plan if you live in crawford county, ohio. so i know what's happened to folks. i know what i told them i was do. that's what i'm focused on accomplishing. i think the president is doing the same thing spop let's simply do what we said, do what the american people sent us here to accomplish. >> all right. if it doesn't have to be that complicated, does it mean you'll vote on it next week and it will pass? >> we've already voted on it in the house, stephanie. we seal what happens in the
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senate. senator mcconnell said bring up the repeal, our leadership won't bring up that bill so we've start the process to make an end run around that and bring a discharge position to the floor and vote on a clean repeal. >> good luck. >> thank you. up next, senator elizabeth warren joins me on everything from the russia investigation to a new report card on president trump's first six months. and speaking of president trump's first six months, monday he made this claim. >> we've signed for bills and i'm talking about through the legislature, than any president ever. >> 42 bills signed so far top the two previous presidents but it is fewer than bill clinton. and of those bills nearly one-third of them are aimed at pulling back rules put in place by president obama. well, president trump said he doesn't like to get pinocchios. i'm afraid at this rate he's going to be getting quite a few.
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there's a new report card out that shows he's fallen fall short in fulfilling one of his key promises from the campaign -- draping the swamp in washington. joining me is the author of that report card, a report card in the summer? nobody wants one of those. senator elizabeth warren. i want to talk about the report card but i have to ask you about a colleague of yours, john mccain, a man you've known for years and years. what is your reaction to his diagnosis and the mood among your fellow lawmakers? >> you know, we're all just stunned. john is tough and has been in every fight, and the idea that he's facing something like this is just a shock to everyone here. he's a good man, and i know he'll be strong in this fight, the fight for his life. >> a great man. let's talk about you and the report card you've been working on over the last few weeks. you put together this report card on president trump's efforts to drain the swamp in
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washington. he talked so much about it, speeches he gave about the goldman sachs partners that hillary clinton would be lining the halas of the white house with, and mind you the president has done so. you've given him an f. at least it wasn't an f-minus, and you found that his administration and his transition team has included 1993 lobbyists and corporate insiders. can you put that in context for me in terms of his entire administration and how that's impacted policies? >> so, look, washington works great right now for giant corporations. and one of the prince. reasons is because they can hire an army of lobbyists to get out there and make sure that their point of view is represented in every decision that gets made in government. it's just not working so great for the rest of america. so when trump promised to drain the swamp during a campaign, i thought that's something really important. and i want to keep track of what he does. and instead of draining the swamp, here it is, he's brought
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in 193 lobbyists, corporate executives, corporate consultants, and they're in every part of government making key decisions. the department of education. what's happened they've already rolled back rules to protect student borrowers so that the corporate interests can make more money. you watch the same thing happening, for example, in the department of the treasury. they're looking at whether or not to roll back some of the regulations that were put in place after the 2008 financial crisis. and what have they done? they've come up with a list of regulations to be rolled back. and here's how it's described by the industry. it is the big bank's wish list. same kind of thing is happening
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over in the drug industry. put together a team of people to try to deal with the question of rising drug costs, and donald trump puts a lobbyist in charge and now the lobbyist is coming up with an initial draft that looks like exactly what it is that the big drug companies want, not what families want. this matters to people on a day by day-by-day basis that donald trump has put the corporate lobbyists in charge of running our government. >> unform, report cards can get slid under beds, in the back of drawers. what can actually be done? when i think about some of those photographs i've seen with president trump signing executive orders, well, he has a ceo like andrew liverest of dow chemical standing next to him saying maybe we should call this the dow bill. people that make dangerous pesticides. maybe they'll be legal again.
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steve schwartzman, a ceo from blackstone, joining president trump on that trip to saudi arabia, where blackstone raised a cool $40 billion in permanent capital from the saudi family. these are not just anecdotes. these are bad things. what can be done about them? >> so, the first thing we try to do is to get some accountability, and that's why senator whitehouse and i put this report together, is to try to say here's what's happening. it's one more example, just as others have done, of trying to twaef flag, trying to make it clear what's going on, because that is the first step at accountability. the second step is too to try to get the word out, i posted this on my website, i snow that senator whitehouse will be doing the same, to send it around to everybody that we can because it is only when the voices of the people are heard that we're going to be able to fight back against this. i believe in accountability for government.
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right now that's going to take people across the country, it's going the take grassroots saying, wait a minute, i see what you're doing, donald trump, and it's not okay with me. that's our first step. >> knost people would not be surprised that you gave the president an f. what do you say to those who say great, elizabeth warren, this is just a partisan argument, we've heard it, you're anti-trump, what do you say to them? >> it's 193 lobbyists and corporate claonsultants that donald trump has brought in to help advise him and then help him run the government. the document is there. read the numbers. you can't ignore the facts any longer. that's what's happening in washington. and be clear, the american people know what's going on. they're not fooled. >> the american people want solutions. you've been anti-trump, opposed to the republicans' health care
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efforts. president trump says, for example, in health care, single pay yes, something you have pushed for, will bankrupt america. do you believe it's a resolution that could help america? i think we have three things we need to do on the health care front. the first is we need to defend what we have right now and that means not let 32 million people get knocked off health care. when there's a vote next week as mitch mcconnell has said there will be, we need to defeat the effort to repeal the affordable care act. the second thing we need to do is bring down costs, for example, the cost of prescription drugs. i have a bill with bernie sanders and others that says we can import those drugs from canada where often they are paying one-tenth of what we're paying here in the united states. >> are there any republicans willing to work on that bill? because partisanship is the only way you're going to get anywhere. >> we are certainly reaching out and we're certainly open to
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that. you know, the problem of high cost for prescription drugs is not just a democratic problem. it's a problem that faces democrats, republicans, independents. i talked to people all across massachusetts who tell me i'm paying $162 a month for this prescription drug. i could buy it in canada for less than half that. i'm paying $300 on prescription drugs, $500 on prescription drugs. and the drug companies just keep raising prices, raising prices and raising prices. we've got to be willing to push back against that and bring down the costs, bring down the costs for families and bring down the costs for insurance companies because that will help bring down the cost of insurance overall. and, yeah, when we do that, we also need to talk about how we get more coverage across america. you know, how we expand medicare so it's available to more americans. so i think we've got all three
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parts, defend what we've got exexpand what we've got, and then let's have a serious conversation about how he get better coverage through medicare. those are the ways we can get full coverage and help bring down costs for all of us. >> i have to ask you about president trump's comments about his own attorney general, jeff sessions, yesterday. telling "new york times," sessions never should have recused himself and if he was going to, he should have told me before he took the job and i would have picked someone else. what do you make of this? is it almost a gift that president trump continues to -- >> no. >> -- mud dpi di the waters and ghefrt to an agenda? >> you know, no, it is not a gift. i'm here to fight for working families. it means the business for working families is not being done. trump's rash about jeff sessions are one more example of how --
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he's not interested in following the law and he's not interested in protecting anyone but himself. i opposed jeff sessions for attorney general of the united states, but let's be clear, his recusing himself is simply following the law. that is what the department of justice requires. he followed the rules. for donald trump to say, gee, i really wanted an attorney general who wouldn't follow the rules is just like i said, one more example. donald trump has only one thing in mind, and that is how can everything profit donald trump. >> if you opposed jeff sessions before, now he recused himself, sounds like donald trump wants him out. do you want him to quit? >> i'd be very glad for him to quit and get someone else in as attorney general of the united states. i believe firmly jeff sessions should not be the number-one lawmaker in america. he is right now the one who is responsible for enforcing our laws, and his views on many of
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those laws i think head us in the wrong direction. on civil rights, on drug, on private prisons. there are many reasons for jeff sessions not to be attorney general. >> you think president trump's next pick would be better? >> we can have that fight. but jeff sessions in major areas is trying to pull us in the wrong direction. >> elizabeth warren sending president trump back to summer school. nobody wants an f. thanks for joining me. >> take care. up next, much more from donald trump's explosive and i'm going to say it bizarre interview with "the new york times." how he defends the correlation between don junior's russian meeting and his attacks on hillary clinton. but today we've been talking about it all morning. today is the six-month mark for president trump. one thing he does get very high marks for is the stock market,
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hillary clinton and i said, i mean, that's standard political stuff. >> did you know at the time that they had the meeting? >> no, i didn't know anything about the meeting. >> that's not standard political stuff. that was more of president trump's interview with "the new york times" talking about his son and son-in-law's meeting with the russian lawyer. this comes after the white house and trump's political team said president trump was not aware of any meeting between his son, don junior, and a russian lawyer. kate kelly and jason johnson. kate, president trump is saying he heard about the request for the meet bug then saying he didn't know about the meeting. are voters going to buy this? >> i don't know if they will, but i'm not sure his base will give a darn. i mean, i think it's more of the same. i mean, he doesn't use e-mail, right so, he goes off memory many times. he has aides that help prefresh his memory when he needs that. in this case, you could make a case that he knew about it or didn't know about it. he then goes on to say, well,
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you know, i talked often on the stump about -- i often beat up hillary clinton and talked about her ties to russia and receiving money for speeches and so on. so he tries to sort of equivocate. it's just not clear. >> let's play that because it doesn't necessarily matter if it's his voters who care. does robert mueller care? listen. >> you give speech that night saying you're going to gave speech about how hillary clinton's corrupt dealings with russia and other countries, and that comes just three hours after don junior -- >> number one, remember, i made many of those speeches. >> people wondered about the timing. >> i go after it all the time. >> this is ahead of their visit to capitol hill. don junior, paul manafort, jared kushner. to simply say that this is politics, we learned from "the new york times" paul manafort in the hole to russian interests 17 million bucks pap few nice meetings and a tip of the hat, that would sure help clear that kind of dough. >> just quickly, start of peter baker to bring up the time line. he wrote a story on this last week.
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it was three hours late they're he promised a big bombshell on this topic so that is somewhat damning. >> at this point it's hard to believe this all happened in the building that he didn't know that he detective know in advance, we've fot 8 million people, the number of people at this meeting, manafort, kushner, boris and natasha, smirnov, everybody was in this room. >> yakov smirnoff was not in the room. >> at this point i wouldn't doubt it nap's the thing. it's so disingenuous. i have to say this. this idea that this is just common politics, you get this e-mail, if anybody here got an e-mail from a deposed african prince saying i got $20 million for you, you don't respond to that either. the president to suggest from a foreign enemy that it was just okay that he would, this is a problem. >> nigerian e-mail scammers, get don junior's e-mail address. >> exactly. >> without sounding like an apologist for the president, i think this is yet another reflection of his inexperience in politics, his somewhat narrow experience of running a private family real estate organization.
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think about how he thinks about things and how he free associates. the topic of rod rosenstein comes up. he's ticked off because rosen steep is from baltimore where there are very few republicans. that's his reaction. he's not thinking in a sort of thoughtful, logical way. >> for republicans. listening to this. the only take-away should be opportunity lost. this was an opportunity of a lifetime for republicans to get to their agenda. and listen to what the president said when asked about his ties with russian businessmen. it's extraordinary. >> i mean, it's possible there's a condo or something, so, you know, i sell a lot of condo units and somebody from russia buys a condo, who knows? i don't get any money from russia. they said i own buildings in russia. i don't. they said i made money from russia. it's not my thing. i don't do that. >> no one said he owns buildings in russia. they said he got money from russia. he's a licenser. he doesn't build them and pay
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for them himself. >> i have to say i think the condo point is a smart point because it's a good way to explain there might be some links there, i have connections to many, many real estate units in the u.s. and beyond if some russians bought my condo, that might be a legitimate and irrelevant thing to this investigation. he's kind of doing what he does, which is here, media, follow the ball this way, and investigation is happening over here. >> media won't fall for this nonsense but robert mueller can quickly find out if all these condos are sold to shell companies, sold at off-market properties like his estate in palm beach he buys for 40 and sells for 90. in i'm robert mueller, i don't look the other way. >> he'll fire robert mueller before anything happens and the republican party will sit there with their hands in their pockets and say we didn't know what to do. >> correct. >> how low can you go. >> i don't know. >> he loves the hip-hop. we have to take a break.
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can't forget o.j. today. in a few hours, a western nevada correctional facility will hold what many are calling the parole hearing of the century. after serving nine years for armed robbery and other charges, o.j. simpson will appear via video link before a parole board 130 miles away. simpson needs just four of the six commissioners to vote for parole to become a free man. nbc's katie beck is in nevada with more. how long before we can can expect a decision? >> this decision is expected to be handed down fairly quickly, within an hour or so of the hearing's completion, we're told. that hearing will take place in carson city. simpson will be here at the facility, video conferenced in. he will be in a room with about 15 other people, some of his own supporters, his daughter, his sister are expected to attend as well as a friend, his attorney and a case worker will all be in that room with simpson. he will be able to address the board, make his case for why he
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deserves parole and also take their questions. they will be looking at a risk assessment as to whether or not they think o.j. poses a risk. they'll be looking at things like prior history, his disciplinary actions while incarcerated. they'll be looking at things like his first incarceration, age at incarceration and then they'll make a determination whether or not to grant parole once they decide on whether or not to grant or deny, they will make that decision. o.j. will not be released today. he will have to wait, at the earliest, october 1st would be the first day he would be eligible to be released. >> o.j. simpson hoping to become a free man. we'll take a break next. attorney general after a tough night hearing about that interview that president trump did with "the new york times." jeff sessions is speaking out. what he has to say. ♪
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that wraps us up to the hour. i'm stephanie ruhle. i'll see you all day long on twitter. for now, i'll send you to d.c. with more news with my friend, hallie jackson. >> hey, steph, more news, indeed. starting with this live look at where attorney general jeff sessions will speak any minute. this is a news conference now newly important after president trump's explosive interview with the "new york times."
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he says he now regrets making jeff sessions his ag. that's a huge headline in washington. so is this. senator john mccain in the fight for his life. one thing bringing together democrats and republican here on capitol hill. one of the senator's colleagues will be joining us life, health committee member republican bill cassidy of louisiana, talking about where this health care fight goes next. out west, you know it's decision day for o.j. simpson. in three hours, set to find out if he walks free or stays in prison without parole. as you can imagine, we are buckled up and ready to go. a team here in place. jacob rascon, chris jansing and many more. we'll start with that interview between president trump and "the new york times." jeff sessions, bob mueller, russia. three reporters, including peter baker, joining us in one minute, sat with us for almost an hour. we want you to listen for yourselves what the president had to say. roll the


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