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i think i speak for someone speaking from the dead, he indicated in no uncertain terms in that conversation that he learned up th cleared up the matter with mr. simpson. he was doing whatever he could to get mr. simpson out of prison, and mr. simpson had apologized, they made it right, he sent letters and mr. simpson responded. and also there was another issue of -- and mr. simpson raised this issue. he had a set of photos, and these are not memorabilia. mr. simpson if he didn't make the point already, he could care less about a signed football or signed photo. i know they mean a lot to a lot of people, but that is not the
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true impetus here. there was intimate family photos taken from him. stolen, and there is no dispute these would not be judgment, collections, just intimate family photos. he had a former family, a second family, pictures of him with his mother, famous celebrities, not subject to being taken. they have no value to most people, but all of the value in the world to mr. simpson. that is what set it off, he represented to me on the phone that he had the photos and i made every effort i could, unfortunately whatever happened, mr. beardsley was never able to get them to me, i made every effort to get them from him, and
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at some point along the line we lost contact and i just discovered that he passed away. i will speak on mr. beardsley's behalf that has of september, 2012 2011 him and mr. simpson made things right. and another example of victims calling the attorney for a person sitting in prison, bruce called my office, he called many years ago and we spoke, i can't remember the substance of the conversations, they were not recorded or if they were i could not find them. he called me on july 3rd and also on july 14th. i missed the calls but i called
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him back, i can hear that he and mr. simpson have made things right with each other. he accepted mr. simpson's apology whole heartedly. he seems to be a fundamentally really, really good guy who fell on hard times recently and he said he would be coming in and testifying favorably for mr. simpson. i made sure i told him to stay whatever he wanted to say, because obviously mr. simpson's attorney talking to a victim could be interrupted the wrong way. so say whatever you want to say, no one is telling you how to testify here, and i did inform parole and probation about both of those conversations on july 3rd and july 14th. that was a small portion of our conversations, the remorse on mr. simpson's part that was
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keped. most of the time we were talking about other unfortunate thing that's happened with him. there was some civil litigation that went on out there, and it was against one of the primarily against one of the uncharged co-defendants in this case, a guy names riccio. something happened in civil litigation and i don't know what is going on with it at this point in time other than the concerns were addressed with me. i told him that i would look into it. i explained to him he should talk to his lawyers involved in that civil litigation to make that judgment do whatever he want its to s it to do, it's an opportunity to show you that he is a victim but he filed a civil lawsuit and they found him 16% liable for what happened here.
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it was pretty yunique to say th least. he will testify, but i did feel that i needed to note, i don't feel i have a point other than he said he would testify favorablely and the idea of a civil judgment that he was hoping mr. simpson could take care of for him, and that's all, thank you very much. >> thank you, mr. simpson do you have any closing remarks. >> i've come here, i've spent nine years making no excuses about anything. i am sorry that things turned out the way they did. i had no intent to commit a crime. i came here, i tell the inmates all of the time, i don't want to hear about your crime. argue in court, here we're all convicts. i'm a convict, do your time and
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don't do anything to extend your time. i told the warden i got here, that i would be no problem. i believe in this jury system. i will honor what the jury said, and i will be no problem. you know? i think i kept my word. as i said i have done my time, i would just like to get back to my family and friends, and believe it or not i do have some real friends, but i don't think i could have represented this prison, i don't think any inmate has represented it better than i. i did my time and tried to be helpful to everybody. and as i said, bruce and beardsley, i made up with them years ago. you know, so, i'm sorry it happened, i'm sorry to nevada. i wish riccio had never called
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me. i thought i was glad to get my stuff back, but it wasn't worth it. nine years away from your family is just not worth it and i'm sorry. thank you. >> just one thing for the record. your numbers, good behavior, complying with the rules can mean up to a 50% reduction off of the back end of your sentence if granted parole, that is september 29th, 2022 time could even more closer. i wanted to put that on the record. at this point i will ask mr. batista, and we invite mr.
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furmong to the table, please. >> if you will put your own name on the record for us, please. >> yes, it is bruise furmong, i would like to thank you for the opportunity to speak today. first and foremost, i would like to state that i'm not here just as mr. simpson's friend of almost 27 years. because that i am. but today i'm also appearing as the victim of the crime from september 13th of 2007.
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on that day, i felt that mr. simpson was misguided. not by himself, but also by tom riccio. he was led to believe that on that day, there would be thousands of pieces of personal memorabilia, pictures of his wife, from his first marriage, pictures of his kids. family heirlooms, he said possibly his wife's wedding ring. thousands of things, he was misled about what would be there that day. a man named thomas riccio promised him this big package, in reality, once -- thomas riccio had never met me in his entire life until the night of the robbery. he got there and saw all of this
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stuff, he went down, got oj, and instead of telling him that's not what was there, he brought him up anyway. and when oj got there, unfortunately he was already worked up. and had people with him that were hollaring and screaming. a lot of commotion going on in a very, very small room. >> yeah. >> real small room. and a lot of things happened very quickly. unfortunately, if o.j. had just said everyone out of here, bruce and i need to talk for a minute, none of this needed to happen. but that didn't happen. and it took, one of the things i want to make clear, it took me two years in a california court
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and a judge's infinite wisdom instead of going ahead and turning things back over, everything got sent to a california court to get straight straightened out. after having to fight the goldman's lawyers, o.j.'s lawyers, and it took me two years to get back with over 600 items. a majority of it did come back to me because i had to go back 19 years through our friendship, but i had to go back 19 years and produce records for 98% of the stuff. and it is true that items in that room belonged to o.j. no two ways about it. but it is also true that i have never stolen anything from o.j. i did not -- i have never stolen from o.j. i think he will admit that i did not ever take anything from him. it wasn't me.
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an expartner of mine and his mistress have taken things, other people have taken things from o.j., but i have never stolen from o.j. he is my friend, always has been, and i hope will remain my friend. but there were things in that room, and i admit to that. and i'm sorry things did not work out differently. and i will make this clear to you, o.j. never held a gun on me. there was a coward in that room. a man names mcclinton, came up gangster style, acting like a big man, he held the gun on me, not o.j. another man came in, hit me, not o.j. he never laid a hand on me.
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a lot of people were yelling bag that stuff up, let's get out of here. during the trial after i testified against o.j., and this is why i absolutely believe him, i already testified against him, i said everything i had to say, we passed in the hall way and he said "can i talk to you for a minute"? we had a chance to talk to each other, and i told him i'm sorry that i did not get the opportunity to call him and tell him that i had that stuff. the few items that belonged to him. i told him i'm sorry that i did not take the opportunity to call him. we had been apart for a long time. we had not had a chance to talk for many, many years. i had been buying stuff from
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mike gilbert, and i wish i had of. and he said bruce, i can't tell you how sorry i am. we have a saying between us, "it is what it is" he put his hand out, i shook it and i said i forgive you. we all make mistakes. o.j. made his. he has been here, and from what i'm told, he has been a model inmate. an example to others. during the trial, i recommended that he serve one to three years. that's what i recommended to the d.a. and i'm here to say that i've known o.j. for a long time. i don't feel that she a threat to anyone out there.
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s he is a good man. i know that he does a lot for other people. and i feel that 9 1/2 to 33 years is way too long. and i feel that it is time to give him a second chance. it is time for him to go home to his family, his friends. this is a good man, he made a mistake, and if he called me tomorrow and said "bruise, i'm getting o -- bruce, i'm getting out, will you pick me up, i would be here
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tomorrow" i mean that, buddy. >> thank you, we appreciate your comments, we appreciate you being friend today, thank you. >> thank you for the opportunity. >> you're welcome. mr. lavern and mr. simpson, if you will return to the table, please? before we break for deliberation. i want to ask the panel if they have any last questions. okay. what will happen now is dib ration, again, another thing we do, we frankly need our offices back, folks. we're hoping to deliberate, come to an agreement, and be able to produce an order in the next 30 minutes or so. what is going to happen is we are going to break, and after
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deliberating we'll come back to this room. i'll ask each commissioner to vote, i will vote myself, if we're able to agree when the votes are cast, that will be a final decision. if it becomes obvious there is a split on this panel, i have eddie grey and we will call them and they will cast a vote then or ask to return to deliberation. that is what we're planning at this moment. we're about to leave the room. i know officer batista is going to arrange to clear the courtroom there also. i ask here that you give us about two minutes to clear out of the room so they're not chasing us down the hall, and then we will give you a five minute notice that our deliberation is over and we're ready to cast votes. on that i will call this hearing into recess, and we will return
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after deliberation. and there you have it. roughly an hour and 15 minutes of orenthal james simpson taking questions and providing testimony. it is not precisely what we were expecting. we expected it to be shorter and with did not necessarily expect so much time to be spent on recapping the crime itself. we heard oj simpson about an hour and five minutes in finally utter the word ss so many were waiting to hear. i am sorry. there were also a few moments in the court of the hearing that elicited laughter, one of the
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panelists read that he was 90, but he turned 70 a few weeks ago, also toward the end where he was reading a letter where he said he might start a webcast or a blog at that point. we also saw a few moments of emotion, his daughter, his 48-year-old daughter as she said her father was remorseful, he has been moving forward, and a man was testifying, we saw simpson appear to wipe a tear or two from his face as well. also in addition to testified on behalf of simpson, also a victim in the crime for which he spent the last nine years in that prison. he said the sentence himself was way too long, he did not feel
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that simpson was a threat and that we all make mistakes. this is just a bit of what we heard from simpson, himself. >> what i saw was my family, my mother's albums, pictures of my kids growing up, certificates of accomplishments of mine. pictures of what i call significant fey mos people, so i told him i would really like to get this stuff, so after a period of time, through what he described in court as as a perfect form, we all ended up in las vegas. i there was for a wedding and he told me the property was there and would i like to try to get the property. i said of course i would like to get the property. the alternative to violence course, i always thought i was pretty good with people, and i
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have basically spent a conflict free life. i'm not a guy that ever got in fights on the street with the public and everybody. i thought i was a good guy. i had some problems with fidelity in my life, but i have als been a guy that pretty much got along with everybody. >> are you humbled by this incarceration? >> oh, yes, for sure. i wish it never would have happened. i was going to -- i didn't know how we would do this, but i want to apologize to the people of nevada. i wish it never happened. i apologized at my sentencing. there is nothing i can do about the media circus, but i could do something about the whole thing in the beginning if i would have made a better judgment back then none of this would have happened. i have done my time.
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i have done it as well and as respectfully as i think anyone can. i gave them my word. i believe in the jury system, i honored their verdict, i have not complained for nine years, i just tried to be helpful. . do your time, fight in court, and don't do anything to extend your time. that's the life i want to live so i can get back to my kids. i want to get back to my family and friends, and believe it or not i have some good friends. i don't think any inmate has represented the jail as well as i. i made up with those two years
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ago. i'm sorry it happened, i'm sorry to nevada. i wish riccio had never called me. i thought i was glad to get my stuff back, but it wasn't worth it. nine years away from your family is just not worth it and i'm sorry. >> now he waits. it would take around 20 or 30 minutes. we can tell you right now it's a six member panel, usually seven members. if it is not a unanimous decision, they will phone in two other members to try to get a four-person boat we should find out something here, 25 or 30 minutes from now.
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our panel is staying with us. so is john kelly, lead of attorney for the estate of nicole brown simpson. and our chief legal analyst, i am obligated to start with you, sir. what did we learn? >> he mentioned he turned down media questions that are certainly true. many people would like to hear from him more. a man who still thinks he got a raw dmael this robbery prosecution, a man that repeatedly tried to explain or mitigate the under lies circumstances of that incident. the problem with that is is that is not what today's parole hearing is about. i think as a human matter, i
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think it related more to his emotional state of mind or needs rather that discussing what the parole board spoke of. i will close with this observation, it took an hour and five minutes, but it did happen. we heard the words i am sorry. he ended by saying i'm sorry, that is certainly i would say on the mind of the parole board officials. >> i will say at one point, about 20 minutes in, it looked like it was going to go off of the rails and we saw the oj simpson described by attorneys,
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a man capable of great anger. when he leaned forward and he said it was my property, and you saw his lip begin to quiver there, is that what you were expecting? >> no, i saw more contrition and remorse from his daughter than i saw from oj simpson. when you're on that parole board, you want him to embrace what he has done so he can promise you what he said they are considering which are risk assessmen assessments. . you want to feel good about the decision if you're that commissioner and i don't know if they saw that in oj simpson today. the objective factor point system, he was not ringing the bell today, being oj, for his release. >> perhaps he and his attorney, it didn't seem like they were overly prepared.
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>> it was disappointing. if you're his lawyer, you want to prepare him for what he says and you will argue for his release from prison. he only has done nine, he could do a total of 33. >> shuffling around, looking for a letter. all of that not with standing, do we think the same as we did two hours ago that they will vote to grant him parole. >> the last time they looked at him on this system, he was granted parole on other charges. nothing we just saw would expect us to deviate strongly from that. having said that, this is a process of human beings making this determination. last time they knew when they granted parole on those charges he would not get out of prison. i will tell you legally that is not supposed to affect them. having said that, everyone knows
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and they made direct reference to it that the eyes of the nation are on the commissioners. under the additional pressure, media pressure, cultural pressure, scrutiny, will that go into their mind-set. we're waiting on a process that usually takes 15 to 25 minutes. >> may mathey made it clear a f weeks ago, they want to get folks out of lovelock, nevada. they made it a priority to get a decision back 20 or 30 minutes from now and that is what we're waiting on. john q, what did you hear from oj simpson there. were you surprised or was that classic oj ma? >> it was surprising and classic. he did his best to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. he was not remorseful.
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he was not apologetic -- >> until the end. >> it is a shame you focus on those three words. i am sorry, but it was an hour and five minutes before that saying i'm not sorry, it wasn't my fault. everybody else was to blame. it was my property. and what was most frightening is when that flash of rage. you saw the change in his eyes, the change in his demeanor, and that's what it takes to take someone's life, too. >> you think that he -- >> play it back. >> you think at 70 years old is capable of violence and evil? >> absolutely. play back that ten seconds -- >> try to cue it back up. because that's it. >> you were probably the only person at this table that spent a week with oj simpson in 1979.
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"ebony" magazine sent you out to spend time with him, is he the same oj? >> just covering a lot of athletes, there is a part of these people who just at some point can't accept, if they feel there is something, they have been wronged, there is a part that just can't let it go. >> even if the prospect of four or five years in prison is staring you in the face? >> i personally think if i had to vote now, i would say they're going to vote to let him walk. but i think we always want to see contrition. i think for certain people, in his mind, he was saying this is my stuff. i was right, and i disagree with
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you in terms of the violence and -- no, i think, do i think that he would be capable of violence again? no. i really don't. and frankly i kept going back to when i met him and i knew even with the whole thing of '94, and the murders, which by the way i think that is what this is about. that is what this is about. you mentioned it too. you were not talking about the burglary. the violence and the -- >> i'm prejudice, i'm biassed, no question. but that is not what this is about. >> if you're right, that this is not about the proceeding robbery. people focusing on oj, there is room for that criticism.
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there is also trouble that says no double jeopardy when a criminal case is closed if this is all, the length of sentence, the way the justice system is dealing with this, they did not convict him of. >> you can't avoid it. >> the system is flawed. every time i think about oj, i'm thinking about all of the thousands of poor black guys, you know, felons that have no shot. no cameras, no one gives a damn about them and one thing they may say or do puts themselves out on the street. oj has options. he has options. he has always been a moneymaker. >> does he? sure. >> a lot of people right now, just like with -- there are a lot of people right now saying how can we get this guy. >> but to clear, if he generates
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revenue, it goes to the family -- >> the only thing protected right now is his pensions. >> and he owes your clients about $30 million with interest now. >> and we want to get back to the criminal case and he was acquitted on that, but there is another provision of criminal law that you see in trials also called prior bad acts. or prior past conduct. in a lot of proceedings, it is not whether or not there is a conviction or not, it is whether or not there was significant evidence. he was found have engaged in this conduct. i would like to see a discret n discretionary -- >> i don't want to get too lawyriyer lawyerly on you, but in the
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middle of parole board hearders. >> no, but this is the first but to be clear and fair, you're referring to a doctrine u usually used in sentencing. if someone has a patter of e lis fit or el lisle conduct. but the parole board is not looking at a double homicide that he was committed of. >> but it's my lens and my bias that i'm voicing here. >> we also hard about what his post prison life could look like. moving to florida. his daughter, 48-year-old, arnelle simpson, his oldest daughter from his first marriage, let's take a listen.
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>> i'm here on behalf of my family for the purpose of expressing what we believe is the true character of my fathe., no one really knows how much we have been through, this or deal in the last nine years. excuse me. my experience with him is that he is like my best friend and my rock. and as a family, we recognize that he is not the perfect man, but he is clearly a man and a father who has done his best to behavior in a way that speaks to
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his overall nature and character. which is always to be positive no matter what. he spent the last nine years in lo lovelock as we all know and he has made the best of the situation. the choice that he made nine years ago, that resulted in this situation were inappropriate, wrong, counter productive to what he was trying to achieve. as a family, we were all there to celebrate a wedding. of a very good friend. as his daughter, i can honestly say my dad recognizes that he took the wrong approach, and could have handled the situation differently. my siblings and i and family
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know that he didn't make the right decision on that day, but we know his intentions were not to go in and to make the wrong decision. throughout the or deal we have remained close. i for myself am grateful to god for giving us the strength for the last nine years to stay positive no matter what. a lot of that is because of him. on behalf of my family, an aunt, an uncle, family and friends, we
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just want him to come home. >> arnelle simpson, the only family member that testified there at the parole hearing. only one family member was allowed. christopher dardin is rejoining us as well. co-lead for the team prosecuting him in the mid '90s for that double murder. you heard him there, you listen to his responses, the questions from the panel members, what were your impressions? >> well, you know, it is classic oj simpson. not taking complete responsibility for his own conduct. it's mr. riccio's fault. the fault of the guy that showed o.j. he was armed and had a concealed weapons permit, it's his fault that a gun game into that room, and we know it was
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him that brought the people there for an expressed purpose, i see him not taking responsibility still, not today for the robbery and kidnapping, and not for the murders many, many years ago. i'm really a little perturbed that he is allowed to sit there and say he lived a model life, never drawn a weapon on anyone, and no one in existence who would ever say that he drew a weapon on them, of course we know that is a complete lie and he is able to sit there and lie with impunity. >> to be fair -- >> i'm being fair. >> i do want to play this is a clip that will get a fair amount of play. this is about 15 minutes into the hearing, and this is the
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o.j. simpson that you and members of your legal team spent a fair amount of time showing, trying to show jurors back in the mid '90s who it is. >> it has been ruled legally by the state of california that it was my property. >> how much did that surprise you seeing that o.j.? >> whether it is your property or not, there is a rule for common law that allows you to retrieve your property, but not by gunpoint or force. or to scare people at gunpoint. it is what it is. he served nine years. perhaps that's is all he will serve. i'm not here to be indicative or mean spirited it i'm here for kim goldman, ron goldman, and
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nicole brown. i appreciate all of the people watching you and watching me today who remember the victims who support the victims. i think in this country these days we pay homage to the murder and forget about the murder. >> you're bothered by the celebrity, the infamy of o.j. simpson. >> i'm bothered that they kothd sr. what happened in los angeles in 1994, he never pulled a weapon on anyone? i have always been a good guy on the street? really? we all heard nicole's 911 calls, we saw the photographs, we read
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her diary. we know what happened on bundy. come on. why bother if it is all just a bald faced lie. >> stand by if you can while we wait for the parole board to come back with a decision. i want to bring in kacarl dougl now, who represented simpon in his 1995 murder trial. as you heard your former client there temperature, take questions, is it what you were expecting to hear, or were you obsessed by anything? >> that probably was the oj that i remember, he certainly is and has always ban zealous advocate, he has a perspective fwhar
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happens, but i think what is most important for everyone to remember and something he said early on is that this is not about what happened in los angeles, and not about the civil case nap is really difficult for many to understand and to appreciate. but he is being viewed and judged based on an objective set of criteria, and making a determination whether or not she a suitable candidate for release. i'm sure my good frent chris darton would concede that nine to 33 years for what he was charged with in las vegas is excessi excessive. >> i don't know if chris dardin would. >> in california we have a penal code section, and we know in
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california he could get a lot more time than nine years on a kidnapping charge. and everyone talks about it being a robbery. it is also a kidnapping. as i said before, he did nine years, no one was armed, things were taken, nine years might be excessive. i know carl probably remembers as i do, the masker many, many years ago where robber ts went and lined up people and executed them. it is dangerous and people are very full nesh i wish he would just focus on the robbery.
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don't make things wide ranges statements about being such a great guy on the street, never drawing a weapon, when you do that you drag into the process, or at least into the minds of the commissioners what happened in los angeles, stick to the issue. >> while we have been having this conversation, the word that a decision will come down in less than four minutes from now. we're hold they have reached their decision and they will come back and share their decision in a few minutes. joining me now from aspen, colorado. it seemed like a fair amount of the hearing was devoted to a tick took of the robbery that night. trying a case that was already decided. is that what you heard? >> yeah, i heard it, i nougt that oj simpson was classic oj
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simpson. i thought he had very powerful witnesses for him. i believe this board will come back and grant him parole, but i agree with you. it was a tick took of went down in that hotel room. >> this is a live look now, orenthal james simpson brought back into the room. for those of you just joining us, he is appearing via video conference. he is not in the same room as the parole board members. simpson set to once again learn his fate. he seems to be, again, just reading body language, facial expressions here, he looks fairly confident, would you say? >> yes, his demeanor, we're
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looking at a live look. it will dperm he goes free or spends more years incarcerated, he seems to have an easy demeanor you see it in his interactions with the witness, with the lawyer. he may be upbeat because he went through the parole hearing before and feels he got a good hearing. >> for those that might not be up to speed, he is sentenced to 33 years in prison. and other charges all related to a 2007 memorabilia robbery at a las vegas hotel. it was far off of the strip. probably not a hotel that oj
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simpson pre 1994 would have been caught dead in welcome but he has been a model prisoner there. we heard testimony about the courses he has taken, there was an odd meeting that at the 2013 hearing he pledged to take aa meetings, and he said i have too much time doing other things, i was not able to take the aa meetings in. and the alcohol and substance abuse is a factor that the commissioners will consider. it is not just the risk of violence, it's the rick of
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recidivi recidivism. will he go out and commit another crime? >> but doesn't it typically correlate that the older a person is the less likely they are to commit another crime? >> i would not disagree with that statement, but his age does help him at this point in time, but franly you could be 60 and go compete a crime. so it doesn't mean that you're procolluded from committing a crime. it doesn't have to be a crime of violence and that is what they're thinking about when they consider letting him out today. >> bill roden. the undefeated, working on an article right now -- >> it's coming, i promise. >> if his editors are watching -- >> it's coming! i promise. >> if you had to guess, assuming he gets parole here, and it seems to be what most folks slpt happen, if he gets parole, where
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will we see him in the next few years? will he be on golf courses, -- a orange is the new black. >> you think he's going to start acting again? >> i think that oj has got a lot of options, and particularly in this climate of show man ship and business where money in our society has become the highest value. as i said before, oj has always been a moneymaker for whether it's herts or polo. i think there are a lot of people seeing him now, seeing he's still vie branlt. i think a lot of people are saying now we could use him for whatever, whether it's for a cause, a spokesman -- >> what sort of causes, though, are you going -- >> mass incarceration. >> the panelists we see here on the right side of the screen, they are sitting down. let's listen in. i think we've got a decision.
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>> okay. i call this parole hearing on owner that will james simpson back into order. are we ready to vote? >> chairman, i'll start off. mr. simpson, you organized this crime in which two victims were robbed at gunpoint. it was a serious crime, and there was no excuse for it. you deserved to be sent to prison. you have been in prison now almost nine years, the minimum amount imposed by the court. you have complied with the rules
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of the prison. you have programmed in an acceptable manner. you have no prior conviction of criminal activity. you're a low risk to reoffend on our guidelines. you have community support and stable release plans. we have heard from you and from your victim. the question here, as with all parole hearings, is whether or not you have served enough time in prison on this case. considering all of these factors, my vote is to grant your parole effective when eligible. >> thank you. >> and i concur with commissioner core da and grant
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parole. and in addition, our decision, although difficult, is fair and just. >> i concur with commissioner core da and agree to grant parole. >> mr. simpson, before i cast my vote, i want to let you know that we believe that we're a fair board. we believe that we're a consistent board. i will let you know that that consistency also goes to parole. and we do not look kindly upon parole violations, and if i cast my vote to grant and it concludes the hearing, our expectation would be that you not violate even the simplest condition of parole. having said that, i am prepared to cast a vote. i am prepared to ask the
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commissioners to set conditions. if that happens, we will produce an order sometime in the next 15 to 20 minutes that will be faxed to you or presented to you at the institution, and it will become a public record. so based on all of that, mr. simpson, i do vote to grant parole when eligible. and that will conclude this hearing. >> thank you. thank you.
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>> holding up good too, man, all these years. >> and there you have it. 70-year-old oj simpson granted patrol there in nevada in that robbery case for which he has spent the better part of the last nine years of his life. simpson will return to his prison cell for now. we are told october 1 is the earliest that elwahe will walk of that prison a free man. love lock, nevada. that is where our reporter is also standing by. she is there at the prison. katy, what happens now? >> reporter: well, obviously a lot of relief from oj simpson there. you can see his reaction assist he clefrmgd his heart looeg the room there with his supporters. i think the only other emotion we saw from him that was that strong was when the victim actually told him during this hearing, you're my friend, i forgive you and if you call me and need a ride when you're released, i'll come pick you am.
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at that moment we also saw o.j. simpson shed a few tears. there has to be a great sense of relief. those commissioners felt that his disciplinary record while in prison was clean. he did everything that he was supposed to do. as he said in his own testimony today, he said he tried to abide by the rules. he tried to be a model inmate. he tried to do everything that they asked of him because he didn't want to add any time to the time that he had already served. as we said, the story came very late in the hearing, the i'm sorry, but he did express regret, saying he wished this never would have happened, that he used bad judgment. if he could do it again, he would have made another choice. so this was the outcome that the simpson supporters in that room were hoping for, a unanimous decision from all four commissioners to go ahead and grant parole. october first is the first eligible date that he could be released. that doesn't necessarily mean that will be the date that he will be released. that will be determined down the road. >> all right. thank you. john k. kelly is still with us.
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lead attorney for the estate of are nichole brown simpson. your reaction, first of all? >> not surprised. always disappointed. want to be very clear, i've represented nichole's estate. i've always been nichole's voice. looking at things through her eyes, representing her, knowing what i know, i think he never should have seen the light of day. i think between' 95 and 2007 was a giflt to him and i think freedom now is a gift to him too. but that being said, i don't agree with what happened, but i don't criticize. they had their format they had their formula and it certainly was anticipated. >> john, again, it should be note that here is a man that as a result of that civil judgment owes the estate the better part of 30, $40 million. do you want to see o.j. simpson out there selling himself once again, making some money so that the estate can get some of that
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money? >> no, no. i think it would be best for, as i've said once again, looking at this, i think through her eyes disappear into the night, let his children have some peace also. i don't think he's got any money making ability any way. you didn't see it between 1995 and 2007 and i certainly don't think you're going to see it now. but that being said, as i said, i'll always have that one lens i'll look through and it is what it is. >> we also heard from the head of that panel the possibility of some conditions and these conditions could be faxed over to simpson later in the afternoon. what kinds of conditions might she be talking about? >> typically they're conditions on where the individual can reside, their movement, whether they can leave the state and how they get clearance for that in advance. and their behavior. there was many reference to alcohol, for example. when you look at o.j. simpson, this story that has capacity vatd the country and the opinions of the legal system for
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some time. there has been so much that has been unusual, atypical, marched by celebrity, money and other issues. i think what we observed just now is a proceeding that was normal, that was typical. this is perhaps a final chapter of the o.j. saga and it's one where we're seeing a reversion to the mean and to the normal course. it would have been highly unusually for this parole board to do anything other than what we just observed, which was to process this, to hear from the defendant, to look at the point system, to marry from anyone else relevant in this case the victim, and to come back and return a verdict -- in this case a ruling based on those points. that's what they did. normal, normal, normal. and these calls -- and we heard some i think somewhat newsworthy on your air here from a former prosecutor suggesting that the law should not govern, that an acquittal who that conduct accused and not found guilty in the justice system whether you agree or not should have somehow
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been entered into here. a rather remarkable statement made by christopher dar den who obviously brings his passions and we're all free to share them. >> and his bias. >> in all seriousness i know that he prosecuted a double homicide. >> yeah. >> and those lives are lost. i get it. but anytime, i don't care what the reason, i didn't want someone says we shouldn't apply the law anymore to someone. we should do something else, we should all be wearry of that. and so the system worked today. >> we should reset here. top of the hour, three clock on the east coast. it is noon in love lock, nevada. you are looking at a relieved and thankful o.j. simpson. he has just been grant parole by the parole board there. unanimous decision. simpson has spent the better part of the last nine years in prison for a 2008 robbery, a robbery in which he can and five others walked into a hotel room

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