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been entered into here. a rather remarkable statement made by christopher dar den who obviously brings his passions and we're all free to share them. >> and his bias. >> in all seriousness i know that he prosecuted a double homicide. >> yeah. >> and those lives are lost. i get it. but anytime, i don't care what the reason, i didn't want someone says we shouldn't apply the law anymore to someone. we should do something else, we should all be wearry of that. and so the system worked today. >> we should reset here. top of the hour, three clock on the east coast. it is noon in love lock, nevada. you are looking at a relieved and thankful o.j. simpson. he has just been grant parole by the parole board there. unanimous decision. simpson has spent the better part of the last nine years in prison for a 2008 robbery, a robbery in which he can and five others walked into a hotel room in las vegas and in simpson's
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own words, took back his own stuff, took back memorabilia that he thought was his. so october first is the first date that o.j. simpson will once again walk out of prison a free man. katie fang, msnbc legal analyst standing by. i saw you nodding disapprovalel at something that was said. that's actually highly unusual. >> caveat is all hail to the chief. art was emphasizing how normal in process was. what's not normal is o.j. simpson because in the court of public opinion, he is guilty as charged. even if a california jury walked him and i want to note that that espn documentary that o.j. made in america, we heard members of that jury say that that acquittal was retribution for the rodney king acquittal is. so think what that public is
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like because that man is going to be a moving target and those parole conditions are going to include not violating the law. it may be something as minor as alcohol consumption to ak session or a fraud deal gone wrong. who knows. but they're going to be watching him carefully and that's why he can't be normal no matter how hard he tries. >> a lot of this was about back in the 90s was race, and one could argue for a lot of folks it's still very much about that. do you get the sense that that too has shifted? in the mid 90s there are a lot of folks that look like me and you who thought o.j. didn't do it. this was a grand conspiracy and it was mark if you are man. do you get the sense that over the 25 years that has passed since he was acommittquitted fo double murder that the sentment in black america has changed as
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it relates to his guilty or innocence. >> no. and obvious well whenever we get those questions, i'm speaking for me. >> right. bill row den for works forest peen. >> not only that, for black america. that's a pretty large territory. but i think the issue is not race. it's racism and i think racism has intensified, and particularly -- remember, when he went in, obama was just becoming the president and the nation was -- now we're in a different climate. i think is that the battle lines have even become even more intensified. so i think that -- and i was one of those people that when he was acquitted, and i feel terrible for the loss of life. i mean, i feel awful about the loss of life, nichole and gold -- i feel awful about that. there was a part of me, though, that says this justice system is just so terribly corrupt and has
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ruined so many lives of young black men and women that it needs to be -- so, yes, to date, in answer to your question, no, i think that the racism that we kind of railed against then is still existing now and how i feel about o.j.? i'm glad that a person is free, that a person is free. and i think it was a fair hearing. it was justified. he's paid nine years. and nine years in prison is a long time. >> and on the numbers, because you make an important point, craig. we have the numbers. we pulled them. when polled in 1995, 23% of respondent's believed he was innocent. when polled last year, revisiting the question, 7% of respondent's believed he was innocent. so while the racial divide was clear at the time, i think that shifted. one other point -- do we have time? >> yes. >> one other point. the trial as we know back when it first occurred on the double homicide positioned it as asking people to choose between whether there was systemic racism within
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the lapd or whether o.j. simpson was guilty. that's how it was framed. that's by the way an expert litigation strategy by the dream team. and ultimately with a racial divide that this country continues to explore. the situation, though, as we know is there can be ed of institution racism in a police department and evidence of guilt in a prosecution. so when you widen the lens beyond the consent decrees we've seen in cities like los angeles, chicago, baltimore, show statistical systemic mistreatment of african americans. that can be true regardless of your views of the guilt or innocence of the man we see on the screen. >> nbc news senior investigative and legal correspondent cynthia mcfad den has rejoined the conversation. we saw you nodding as well. >> well, you know, i had a chance to look at a poll conducted by gap lop last year, and they actually broke out white voters and black voters to
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get their opinions about whether or not o.j. simpson sfls guilty. at the time of the verdict in 1995, 20% of those polled said that they believed he was guilty. 20% of the african-american people polled. now it is over 50%. so i think your into we active sense that maybe things have shifted, at least in the public. not about whether or not there's racism. that's a different question. but whether or not o.j. simpson did it, apparently the public seize things differently. >> for those of you who might just be joining us, this was the scene inside this parole hearing just a few moments ago as o.j. simpson learned that he would be walking out of love lock prison a free man. take a listen. >> i do vote to grant parole when eligible. and that will conclude this hearing. >> thank you.
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thank you. >> congratulations. holding up good too, man, all these years. >> and for now simpson goes back to his cell there. elspe he will spend the next few months at least there in prison. again october first the earliest he could walk out. debra at a time created a change dot org petition with more than a hundred thousand signatures calling on people to let the parole board know if you do not want to see this man released into free society. she is also a friend of ron goldman's family.
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debra, why did you feel the need to create this petition? >> i felt the need to create the petition because i think it's very important for two reasons that the public be able to weigh in and that is not only for the obvious reason of the question of has oh, mr. o.j. simpson, served enough time, but the factor of how he is going to be received by the public. the duty of the parole board is top protect public safety, and that is not just for us as a free society but for mr. simpson himself as well. >> debra, as you lifbld p to simpson there during the course of that hearing, did you get the sense at all -- stand by for me.
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we want to listen to this attorney. this is lavern. >> and then i'll come back out again. so this is going to be very brief. if you're going to say something, you probably should identify your full name, your news organization and the parent company of the news organization before you ask. okay? is that fine? is that a fair deal? >> yeah. >> all right. how can i help you? i think it was pretty -- it certainly didn't hurt. and i think it was actually very influence shall that he came in and he did what he said he was going to do when i talked to him over the foep over the course of a couple of weeks, which he was going to testify favorableel for simpson. so i think it was very, very good and obviously if he had testified negatively, it kind of was going to be contradicted by what he had been telling me. that's kind of why i felt it was important to bring up that conversation with him to say what he's been telling me all along. but right now mr. fra mong is there with mr. simpson's family.
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they're all talking right now. he actually would -- mr. simpson actually wanted to see mr. fra mong. he wanted to see and pend some time with mr. simpson. it's not being permitted at this time for various respected reasons by the nevada department of corrections. they were friends. this is a business mishap. so i think it was actually very, very positive. what, in there? i don't think he said anything to me. you know, the mieks were right there. i don't think he said anything. he said very happy. he object united states you will was very oh moeshl if you look at the cameras. next question. >> is he worried about how he's going to be received by the public? >> not at all. no. he's been in the media spotlight since he was 19. if he didn't explain it on camera, he certainly explained it, you know, in private. so he's always used to dealing with media attention.
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that's never been a problem for him at all. >> listen, do you know that jeffrey felix is a complete fraud and everything that you said -- i was actually watching you earlier this morning when you were giving your testimony -- i mean, can't you tell that that guy is the biggest fraud on the planet? >> i said a million times -- fraud and a phoney and every single thing he has in that book is made up. okay? but no, you didn't -- and so -- >> i think -- >> i'm not going to take any questions from you because you have gone on and perpetrated a fraud for this jeff felix is supposed to be guarding the juice guy.
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you embarrass and make a mockry rft corrections officers over here who are actually doing a really so good job and mr. simpson has very positive things to say about the nevada department of corrections. the ward enls have all treated him great. they're very compassionate and in his words they treated him great. uds that mull let and how his hair is died, right? you don't buy credibility from people who even look like that, all right. and you should have at least tried to vet the story for the last year you could have vitd the story. so i'm a little bit agitated when i see you -- maybe i'm taking it personally because you were on the news repeating all this stuff that jeff felix said, every bit was false unverifiable, every bit of which is untrue. but you were doing it this story. okay. so jeff felix is a fraud. i don't want to take any questions about jeff felix. i don't know what he -- i'll tell you exactly what jeff felix is. he was here. he worked in the canteen, and mr. simpson, like every other inmate when they go to can tine once a week would see this guy.
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and he was kind of like a minimum central. he'd sit there and stel jokes. he want to impress mr. simpson and that's the end of it. he doesn't -- he couldn't identify mr. simpson's cell, okay. maybe he knows the unit because someone told him, but he certainly couldn't even identify the cell. and i've already -- this has agitated me so much that i already have it in progress to strip this guy of his pension benefit. what goes on in this prison here between the nevada department of corrections and its personnel, hok, is confidential. and he violated that by publishing that silly, is ridiculous book that he did. so i'm starting the process right now of getting his pension stripped. and if it isn't clear with the nevada democratic of corrections or whoever has the benefits now, the rules definitely need to be changed or clarified that when a corrections officer like mr. felix discloses confidential information, of course it's false, but even when he does so based on someone's celebrity, you just get your pension benefits stripped. so let's see how he likes that when he says the konls of his actions right now.
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next question. >> did you expect o.j. simpson to take such a defiant stance especially in his early testimony he is special essentially relight gating the whole case? >> i don't understand the question. what do you mean how was he defiant? >> continuing to insist that it wasn't his responsibility. >> i don't agree with your characterization of that. it was an explanation for what was going on. he's taken plenty of responsibility. anytime something like this happens, you obviously wish you could do better. the biggest thing here, what made this case more so than what it was were the guns. okay? and so that took this case from being kind of a, you know, somewhat of a laughing stock of a case to serious when guns are involved. >> he admitted that it was his right, essentially, to go back there and get his stuff back. one would think that would -- >> i don't think he said it was his right. i think he said he wanted it and the stuff was his. i don't think he said it was right. he felt entitled to the
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property. he now knows that obviously you can't go even under nevada law and most laws of the united states, you can't go and take property, even though it's a 100% -- even though it's a 100% not in dispute that the property belongs to you, okay, you can't go back and take it by force. if for some reason you stole if this from me right now, okay, and then i come and i see u it, all right, i can't go and beat you up and hit you with anything to take it back for myself. okay? i can't do it. so hiem not sure where you say he can't take responsibility. he's taken responsibility. he was just offering an explanation. next question. all right. well, thank you very much. i'm going to -- not if i have anything to do with it. the answer is no. the parole and proxy, the nevada department of parole and proxy which is known as p and p. they just stated that on the record. that's something that you can refer to them. the state that they stated is
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the date that they stated. >> did anything inside there surprise you? >> i'm trying to think. no. i mean, there was a lot of preparation. you know, normally these hearings, i think to actually do a perfect hearing, a parole revocation hearing like this, you probably could have prepared -- a lawyer probably could have prepared for less than an hour for this hearing. all right. you see my file here, how much i have. i don't have books and reams of things. the whole file is in here, okay. and this one obviously was dealing with the on slot of the media requests, dealing with various things and deal with the nevada department of corrections through their lie sons and dealing with the department of -- i may come out but my intention is to go inside and spend more time with mr. simpson and his family. i don't think there was anything surprising because we were able to control a lot of things so well, so much and especially the hearing, the biggest part of the hearing for me was making sure that certain information was kept -- obviously there's a 10,000 pound elfanlt in that
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room and i think we were very successful in making sure that that elephant was sleeping and that it was washed and very cleaned and that it -- and that it never started, you know, rearing its head or knocking things around. so that was -- for me that's a 100% success when this was excluded and kept out. thank you. no. that was just a letter he had communicated and that was just the letter. that was the content of the letter. i just read it. that was a letter from him to assembly man and he feels just saying in a letter because he had just taken a computer course and obviously one of the things he learned in computer courses is if you're doing amodern day computer sufficient is web pages. it's not something i would ever
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advise. what's your name and your organization? no, no, i wasn't referring to that at all. i mean, come on. you know exactly what i was referring to. come on. >> -- he would get referred? >> excuse me? >> did you sever doubt that seld get paroled? >> well, the answer is yes. and no. yes, because mr. simpson is obviously a very polarizing figure. he's very, very well loved. but also he's, you know, held into contempt by a lot of people. and he also wanted to thank the media for, you know -- not thank the media, thank the people, his fans who have communicated through the media. he won't publish the positive things that are said about him. all of his fans have sent a lot of thing to the media. i've never seen any of it published, maybe one article or something loo like that.
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so he wants to thank them, all these organizations. so he's just so polar iedsizing going back to your question, that it was hard to really know the certainty of this. i'll tell you one thing that made me very optimistic, and i'll be very frank with you here, the one thing that made me very optimistic is that the -- and this is something i don't think was published is that the parole commissioners here that you saw, the four individuals and then there's two others that are still active, it's a commission that's seven total, those commissioners are actually appointed. they're not elected officials. okay? so they're actually appointed by the governor. and more importantly, and this is what's important. this is why i started feeling very, very good about this. they can only be removed for impeachment. almost like a federal judge. now, had their terms expire, but they can only be removed for impeachment. so they can make decisions regardless of the outcry and the heat on them.
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okay? that's unlike the process that mr. simpson has been exposed to for the last nine years where he's dealing with an be elected judges, elected judges, elected judges. and, listen, who wants to be the judge who has to run for office that says i did something favorable to let o.j. simpson go? i mean, we put on -- and when i say we, attorneys tom pa tear row and attorneys all phenomenal lawyers, they actually helped me prepare for this hearing today, they put on probably one of the strongest habeas cases you'll ever find. okay, after the conviction. and it was an uphill battle. but i just -- you know, if you sit in those judges seats and you like your position and you know that it's elected, if you do anything negatively against -- if you do anything favorableel for simpson, you've got to be thinking, hey, i'm going to draw an opponent and the first thing the opponent is going to say is this is the
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judge that let o.j. simpson go. okay? so that's it. all right. i'm going to go back and spend some more time -- i'm going to go back and spend time with mr. simpson and his family a little bit. i'll be back after he's finished. it's hot out here. hopefully you'll all be gone by then but if you're not i'll take some more questions. >> there ruf it. the attorney representing o.j. simpson there inside that room a short time ago when the 70-year-old learned that he would, in fact, be granted parole in that 2008 robbery case. simpson could be walking out of that prison as early as october 1st, although we heard from lavern there telling us that the actual date is sort of up in the air. we also heard malcome lavern admit that his client is a polarizing figure, but said that he was not necessarily worried how he is going to be received in public. i want to bring in ross good
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man. ross good man is a criminal defense attorney. he is in nevada there. and ross, we wanted to bring you in here to talk a little bit about the prolsz now. and we heard from the head of that parole board that there would be some conditions attached to this parole. you're quite familiar with parole there in nevada. what can you tell us about these conditions and what we will likely see? >> the parole board did what they said they were going to do. she said it was important for them to be consistent and that's what happened. and i understand the passion and bias that people bring to o.j. simpson, but the parole board made a conscious decision to follow the statute. they had a risk factor list that they used, and i thought it was a for gone conclusion from the very beginning that they would follow that list and grant mr. simpson his release on the part october 1st. >> john q. kelly, you're still with us here. i want to come back to something that you said earlier.
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have you decided, has the estate decided whether they are going to take any additional action to try and secure any of the millions? >> craig, the estate has never taken any action except for like a month after the civil judgment was entered. we executed for the estate on rocking ham all of simpson's personal property, seized it at that time and insured it with the goldman debt where it went to auction. but beyond that, we've never taken any affirmative steps to pursue anything. it's basically, you know, the view of the estate is the beneficiaries are the children and there's no need to prolong the public misery. as i've said the voice of nichole was to show who murdered her and now worrying about the children going forward. no more pursuit. >> katy, to be clear, in terms of assets and and what theoretically could even be gotten from o.j. simpson, he has
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the nfl pension which i gather is roughly $25,000 a month. >> that's the reports. >> and there's the sag, the actors union pension as well, roughly $5 million in that pension, reportedly. >> i think it's actually 5 million in the third pension which is a permanent pension that he put in about 5 million recently. >> any of that money to be touched by law. >> there's the federal law auld eris a. it's the actual retiemt act and
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it basically -- >> so maybe he's going to try to turn a profit, but if he does, john is looking at me. those wages are going to be gone -- >> just for the reasons that you're saying because it's likely that if there were any income, it would then be seized by the plaintiffs in the civil judgment. i think he's going to, as he said, go back with his family.
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he's probably going to seek some female attention. and then probably go back and work on his golf game, but i don't see him doing much that's going to be involved with him trying to generate any income because he's pretty well set as far as i know with all the pensions that he just discussed. >> carl, when you said he's going to seek female attention, you mean that o.j. is on the proul? >> i don't know about that necessarily on the proul, but he has been someone who was crat incarcerated for nine years, and i'm sure that he still has interest in females. >> okay. all right. carl douglas. carl, do stand by for me. if you can. are you still with me, carl? >> yes, i am. >> okay. do stand by for me one second. i want to come back here before that conversation goes off the rails. coming back to these assets, i just want to make sure we have -- we know of everything in the
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public domain that o.j. simpson has. is there reason to believe that he has squirld away some money? >> i doubt it. i mean, i have a lot of faith that we've probably collected as much as they can so far, but you just heard from his former lawyer. he's probably not going to be working anytime soon. >> the former members of that so-called dream team, where are they? >> bob kardashian died in 2003, craig. all of the other ones as far as i remember, were still working. shawn chap manhole are still working bear she can are still working in new york. you always see alan dev shuts on the airways giving commentary. i'm still working representing those that need justice, doing all thatic here in la. >> are you at all worried about how your former client is going to be received in the public? are you worried at all that he is a man that is for the rest of his days going to have this target on his back? >> i am not, because for years
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between the' 95 acquittal is and his involvement in 2007 he was able to conduct and live his own life. he has been in the public eye as others have said since he was 19 years old. i'm sure when he goes off in public there may well be with those that have angry words for him, but at the same time there will always be those that will want his autograph and these days that will be willing to take a selfy with him. and those will be the fans, if you will, that he'll remember most. >> carl douglas, a member of that team of attorneys that represented simpson back in 1995. carl, thanks for your time and your perspective, sir. >> thanks for having me, craig. appreciate it. >> you know, he raises an interesting point, guys. we hit on this before the decision came down, what it is about o.j. simpson that still captain captain vats millions of
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fox in this country. he hasn't run a football he hasn't been in a film or tv show in decades. there are still mill yonls of people if you don't believe it look at the ratings for the documentary, the oscar winning film on espn as well. what is it about simpson really quickly 10, 15 seconds here before we go? >> well, i mean, you know, from my vantage point he was the first -- before michael jordan, he was really the first black man who made a career out of being black and nice, not being particularly offensive, being racially neutral. which makes this whole turn of events so fascinating, because everybody thought that he was this particular person. now this supposedly dark side kind of comes out. but i think that there's just this fascination with somebody who we thought we had paid who has turned out to be kind of a different, sort of a different
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person. >> we're going to have to let that be the last bill. thank you. john q. kelly appreciate your time. a big thanks to all of our guests who have joined us here this afternoon. again, o.j. simpson, 70 years old. he spent the last nine years in prison in nevada. word coming down a short time ago that he has been paroled. we will get back now to the other news of the day and with that we turn to chris. >> hey, this is the big news of the day. and here is a man, o.j. simpson, to answer your question who had not just extraordinary and anyone who was around that time or seen the films knows what an extraordinary athlete he was. but you could see it today. there is something about o.j. simpson and his personality that drew people in and continues to today. hello, everyone. i am chris jansing in for ali very well shee. o.j. simpson is going to be a free mab once again. that nevada parole board deciding that the 70-year-old former superstar should be out of jail after serve sg nine
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years for a bochd armed robbery in pay las vegas hotel room. >> my vote is to grant your parole effective when eligible. >> thank you. >> and i concur with commissioner core da and grant parole. and in addition, our decision although difficult, is fair and just. >> i concur with commissioner core da and agree to grant parole. >> mr. simpson, before i cast my vote, i want to let you know that we believe that we're a fair board. we believe that we're a consistent board. i will let you know that consistency also goes to parole, and we do not look kindly upon
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parole violations. and if i cast my vote to grant and it concludes the hearing, our expectation would be that you not violate even the simplest condition of parole. having said that, i am prepared to cast a vote. i am prepared to ask the commissioners to set conditions. if that happens, we will produce an order sometime in the next 15 to 20 p minutes that will be faxed to you or presented to you at the institution, and it will become a public record. so based on all of that, mr. simpson, i do vote to grant parole when eligible. and that will conclude this hearing. >> thank you. thank you.
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>> congratulations. >> love you. >> those were the final moments. o.j. spent more than an hour before the parole board, making his case for why he should be a free man. >> are you humbled by this incarceration? >> oh, yes, for sure. as i said, i wish it would have never happened. i was going to start -- i didn't know how we were going to do this, by apologizing to the people of nevada, because i wish this would have never happened. i apologized to them at my sentencing. you know -- >> and we're going to come back live because the parole board is having a press conference. let's take a listen. >> speaking today on behalf of the nevada board of parole commissioners. with me today are captain that
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rudy interstate exact commissioner and warden bokt from the northern nevada correctional center. they are available to answer questions relative to their operational jurisdiction. before i read my statement and answer questioned questions, i'd like to take the time to thank chief tush man of the nevada capitol police sheriff of the carson city sheriff's office for their help with security and crowd control today. i'd also like to take the time to thank the nevada system of higher education and the it staff from the nevada of corrections for their network support for this hearing. lastly, i want to thank and recognize the administrative staff of the nevada parole board who for the last three months have done a tremendous job working to facilitate our activities related to the public and media interest in this case. at 11:55 this morning the nevada board of commissioners voted to
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grant parole effective when eligible. eligibility date is october first 2017 and he may be released from prison on or after that date once any proposed release plans have been approved. the board stated the reasons for granting parole included mr. simpson had no prior or minimal criminal conviction history, he had a positive institutional record, he had participated in programs specific to addressing behavior that led to his incarceration, he has stable release plans and community and family support. and the victim neck testified in support of mr. simpson's release. the this case will now be turned over to gather and investigate mr. simpson's proposed release plans. captain arouxdy and warren bokt indicated they don't have specific staples to make, so at this timeic open it up to questions. >> you've already provided us the contact information for florida, so you were talking about earlier, captain, about
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the process of in florida. so have you already talked and discussed all of this with them in anticipation of this since he had already made his, you know, his desire to move to florida clear? i mean, did you already know about this and are they aware and ready for this? >> so to answer your question, we did not know what the parole board's plans were, if they were going to approve it or not because they make that derjs at the hearing. what we did do was advance planning in anticipation that if he were to be granted parole, that part of his plan that we were aware of was that he had had family in florida that would serve as that support system for him and with the understand that he may be interested in doing an interstate exact. i have reached out to my counterparts in florida. they are aware and they're waiting for -- they'll be waiting for our packet for their investigation to make the determination on whether or not they're willing to accept his case for supervision.
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>> and you're also in a position to deny his request to go to florida. >> that's correct. so with the interstate come packet, first of all, there's a hand out that i provide to everybody that breaks down what the process is, and that's a hand out that's provided by the interstate commission for adult offender supervision. their website is on there and it's a public access website. anybody can go on there. and it's got everything you could ever possibly want to know about the interstate come packet. so you're welcome to go on to there. but with that being said, they do have -- when we put the packet together with the plan and list what his support system is, what his plan for parole is, we submit that to florida. they have up to 45 days to do that investigation. and they provide a response. interstate kompact is not a guaranteed thing. interstate come packet is a privilege but it's a privilege
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based on meeting certain criteria. in florida when they do their investigation, they'll make the determination of whether or not they're going to be willing to accept his case. >> captain, in your experience, how often does the receiving state say no, thank you? >> depending on what the support system is. in the case of either a returning resident or in the case of resident family, the acceptance rate, as long as there's a valid plan of supervision, is high. in the case of a discretionary case where a person doesn't have that support system but they have other opportunities they're looking to pursue or they're looking for a change of scenery, in those discretionary cases, the rate of acceptance is lower. >> with two and a half months between now and the eligibility date, what would be the hitch that he would not get out on october 1st? >> so the one thing that nevada doesn't control, under the interstate compact, the receiving state, which in this
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case if the plan is for him to go to florida, the receiving state would have up to 45 days. if they were to exceed that 45 days, that could postpone. if there was a problem with their investigation that they couldn't complete it in that 45 days, that could postpone the release. but with the amount of lead time, we don't anticipate that there would be a problem with that. >> he wouldn't have to spend any time in nevada, at all. >> that is correct. what if florida said no? >> if florida said no, then the next step -- and this is where i would have to be aware of what the conditions of his release were. our prerelease unit would look to find him a suitable plan or work with him to develop a suitable plan for here in nevada. >> would the date and location of his release be given to the public and the media or can he just be let go without any of us knowing? >> that would be a conversation for warden bok ka. parole and proxy works with the case workers in doc to develop a release plan and the release
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date, but the actual physical release is part of ndoc. >> how would he be extra dieted back to that state or to that state? >> well, he wouldn't be extra dieted to that state. so if he were accepted for supervision in another state, then either family members would assist with those plans, but generally speaking, most of them either go by bus or plane. travel arrangements are made upon their -- in anticipation of their release. >> made to florida previous to this, would you typically do that for another inmate knowing, hey, i want to spend the rest of my time in indiana or is this because we fast tracked everything with mr. simpson? >> it's not that it's fast tracked, but because we know that it's such a high-profile case with a lot of interest, in the interest of the other state and preparing them for the phone calls and the e-mails that they may receive, it was a courtesy to let them know that. >> captain, in the event that
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the florida thing doesn't happen, is he allowed to pick another state? we know he has a daughter in california. so could that -- is he allowed to pick a different place to go other than nevada? >> sure. as long as there's a valid plan of supervision and he has a support system, there's no -- he wouldn't be restricted to just one state. >> what is his family support system in florida? what do you know about that? >> i'm not familiar with what his support system is other than i know that he had family members testify today. >> when he is released, say that florida accepts him and they do it in time for him to be released on the earliest possible release date which is october 1st, so he would then just walk out of prison or is there a possibility he may go to another institution like some sort of step down facility halfway house sometime between now and the time that he's let out of incarceration? >> so if the plan of transfer is
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to go to florida, there wouldn't be a release to the street to go to florida in that way that you're talking about like a transitional living or a halfway house. but again, as far as the release process, i'll turn that over to warden bok ka to talk with you about. on my hand out i do have my contact information. you're welcome to give me pay call. additionally, i also have my e-mail address. you're welcome to e-mail me. we will update our website at parole and proxy to include the same information that you have. typically the division does not speak specifically to one particular offender over another. what we will do is i'm more than willing to discuss with you what the general process is for the interstate compact or prerelease. >> one final one on the transfer to florida, then. based on your experience, captain does it appear that simpson will go to florida? >> as long as he has a valid plan of supervision along with
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the support system, there would be a good opportunity for him to. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> what happens now? what's -- for the next couple of months, what's he doing? just waiting? >> okay. so right now elstay at love lock, and they'll develop the release plan for him for his release parole plan. and then we would go from there as far as for his release, prepare for his release. >> is there any half -- i mean, say he stays in nevada. is there any halfway house situation or anything for somebody that committed a crime as he did or -- >> well, right now -- with his class foikz and all that, he probably would stay in love lock and then release just prior to his release he would move to one of the other institutions that does releases. if he's going to release in the north, that would be northern nevada correctional center. if it's in the south s more than likely high desert state prison. >> spend one or two weeks there, a month. >> right. it would be a short period of
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time and then he would transport out. it's just easier to transport from those areas than it is from love lock. >> so this would be another prison that prepares, that does releases, that's a expert of theirs? >> no. all the release planning and all that would be done at love lock and then it would just be the matter of moving him basically close irto a place that's easier to transport from, closer to an airport or such like that. >> oh, objecting. and one other question. i'm sorry. if i might. one of the things that florida will be considering is whether they want to provide the same times of support and supervision that he would have otherwise received in from nevada's probation commission, right? so if florida zp accept him, that means it's off your hands, nevada doesn't have any role, then, once he moves to florida? nevada probation doesn't have any role in supervising his probation after that? >> sop under the interstate
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compact, when a state sems a person for supervision, the sending state, which in this case would be nevada, he is still the responsibility of nevada and he will be the responsibility of nevada until he discharges from his parole. what florida is able to do is florida is able to add terms and conditions to him to supervise him in a similar manner to how they would supervise their own in like circumstances. so in this case florida, if that's where he kinds up doing his interstate compact to, florida would provide him terms and conditions, and florida provides courtesy supervision for ntd. but the ultimate authority for that case is still nevada. >> then how long is his parole for? how many years. >> it's for whatever his discharge date would be. >> okay. >> the location and date of his release be released out to the public? >> he would be made aware of when his release date just prior and all that. we have what we call like a
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lock-in date of what we know for sure that that's the date that he's going to be going to, but as far as making any kind of announcement, that's not something we normally do for any of the other inmates. so i don't believe we would be doing that. >> warden, you mentioned that at some point he may be transferred prior to his release, but until then for the near future does anything change in terms of his confinement, privileges, the day to day of love lock? >> no, none of that should change. it should just be really the only thing that he's going to be working on right now is preparing his plan, his parole plan and making sure that gets in and all that and just pretty much continuing with what he's been doing. >> is there a deadline forgetting in that plan, october 1st. >> well, he wants to get that information in as soon as possible so people can start working on it. >> so he doesn't submit that plan to you prior to today. you know he has people, i want to go to flar, these are my support, but an actual plan you don't have that yet? >> well, what we have is -- what happens prior is that there is a
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parole report that is done and then his intentions of what he wants to do should he made parole is part of that parole report. >> does he has to check in with a parole or probation supervisor from time to time after his release, would he be doing that in florida or would he have to come back to ntd for that? >> so when he's under supervision by florida as a courtesy supervision for nevada -- oh, sure. sorry about that. yeah. so when florida is providing the courtesy supervision of mr. simpson's case, he would report to a florida probation officer or parole officer in this case. >> if anything goes wrong, he did something that potentially was a violation rf proxy, ultimately he would end up answering nor that back in nevada. >> correct. so once if -- if his actions were to lead to a violation and florida would submit that violation to us, ultimately if he were to be returned for
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revocation, he would be coming back to nevada to answer for that revocation before the parole board. >> i know he's nine years no disciplinary action in prison, but in the next two months is there anything that could happen at love lock or another facility that could jeopardize his parole being granted now. >> well, any inmate that's granted parole has to continue to follow all the rules and all that that they need to. any inmate that creates -- or that has such a serious rule violation, there is the possibility of parole being revoked. >> is there a situation, though, warden, where can he ask for special protection or special, you know, circumstances because he doesn't want to be sort of, i guess, put himself in harm's way or put himself in a situation where others might want to wish him harm or get him in trouble? so can he request any kind of special treatment or protection. >> he would need to make that request but he would need to provide some sort of evidence to base that request off of.
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>> you know what i'm saying here? it's possible that, you know, when he talked about it in his hearing that prisoners have a tendency to do things for stupid reasons. >> right. >> so if someone kind of had it out for him and wanted to jeopardize his parole. >> they've had nine years to do that. >> as warden do you have any reservations about letting him walk out of there on october 1st? >> you know, the parole board makes that decision, and our job is to keep them until they tell us to let them go. so that's where ours -- >> and you were in the deliberations, were you, david? >> thank you. i came in and out when they were deliberating just to make sure everything was okay. but i did not participate in the deliberations. >> were there any sticking points, any points that they came off that they were disagreeing on. >> by law in nevada deliberations for parole hearings are confidential, and so we would not release -- >> you can tell us. we won't tell anyone.
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>> we wouldn't release any of that information. >> i understand. >> any paperwork that would be released after this date, the score, the ranking of why they would let him go? >> we just distributed a risk instrument and aggravating and mitigating factors they mentioned. >> anything unusual about the amount of time that they spent deliberating? >> no. i would -- for this type of a hearing, generally deliberations with smaller panels are shorter because you have fewer people. four commissions that was not -- it wouldn't be uncommon for those -- >> what about the time of the hearing, how long it took to get to deliberations. >> this hearing was a little bit longer because of the amount of conversation that took place. there were four commissions so we knew it would last longer. we also expected that we would have a little bit more leeway. we would allow a little bit more leeway to allow information to get on the record. they did want the take time to talk about how things are done because of the interest in this
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case. >> can you provide mr. simpson as a prisoner, what was he really like, his daily routine? was he a model prisoner. what does that mean? was -- >> i'm sorry, he was never at mmc and i had very little dealings at all with him when he first came in at high desert. so that would have been my only involvement with him. >> okay. >> do you know? >> no. >> all right. >> one thing, we're not -- the parole board will not be doing any interviews so this is your one shot to ask any questions of the board. sorry, no. >> will somebody at some point at lovelock be able to available to characterize his incarceration? >> do you mean like a pio or something? >> yes.
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>> the pio for the department of corrections should be able to answer any questions to that. >> i forget when this happened exactly, some time during the course of mr. simpson's incarceration, he had gotten into the fight. was that ever addressed then or can you address that now, if he -- any other conflicts that he did have, maybe not -- that were not maybe his fault, but he was involved in nevertheless? >> well, during the hearing i noted -- i didn't hear of any disciplinary infractions he had. they said he was disciplinary free so i would say no. >> can you reiterate why it is that we were able to get a decision today instead of waiting ten days, three weeks, as we would for joe blow? >> as you recall, the 2013 hearing it was a panel of one commissioner and one case hearing representative. after that hearing, there wasn't a lot of interest at the time of the hearing. we had several reporters and one photographer i think and one camera. but the minute that hearing took
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place, we became inundated with requests for information by the media. and so we got that order out as soon as we could. and in february, there was a -- the interest -- there was news articles that started coming out and we began to get inundated by the press for questions about the parole hearing, when it would be, and we realized if we didn't start then to prepare for a potential huge event like this turned out to be that we would have a lot of problems. the board does hold hearings with four commissioners. it's not often, because we hold about 9,000 hearings a year so it's -- we have to spread the caseload out between commissioners and hearing reps. in this case, because of the media interest we opted to have a majority present so that we could provide a ruling on the same day and allow you wonderful folks to be able to go home and let us get back to work. [ laughter ] >> in nevada, is expression of
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remorse and insight not a required criteria for release on parole? >> it is not. now, there are -- the board does note in some of its factors when -- a mitigating factor of remorse could be noted but as general only applied for example if a person committed a crime and they immediately went and confessed or turned themselves in because of their -- because of their immediate remorse. but that's the only time that factor is. but the board does not require that an inmate state or indicate that they are remorseful. >> there was some talk that he wasn't really remorseful when he was answering some of the questions. you have been to other parole hearings. what are your thoughts on that? is it true that he wasn't really that remorseful? >> i think that you would have to let the hearing and the questions and the testimony of the hearing stand on its record. because i don't think i could
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address that here. yes, sir? >> you typically say that it tack takes days or weeks for the board to render a determination or is it usually just days? >> generally what happens in a regular parole hearing the panel will make a recommendation to the board and in nevada, the panel can make a recommendation and the board members can review and vote by file review and they can -- we record the hearings as well so they can review it if they have any concerns or questions and they issue it once there's a majority. so it doesn't have to be a public meeting to issue that. that can take -- because commissioners in las vegas are voting on carson city cases and vice versa, its can take about two weeks. we don't generally release results until we know that the inmate has been notified. so that adds a little bit more time to it. but in this case because they
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had four commissioners who voted in a majority they were able to give that answer today. >> maybe i missed it, did you answer the question whether you're going to tell us when and where he'll be released? >> so typically we don't give that -- we don't give that information ahead of time. the inmate in general will know ahead of time when his release is. basically we give what's called a locked in release date, but as far as announcing when and where he'll be he's released we don't normally do that. >> this is not a normal case. >> i don't believe we have any plans of doing that. >> but he would be here up until the final two weeks or so or three weeks, would that be safe to say? >> that would be safe to say. he would remain in lovelock until prior to his release. >> would you make an exception? >> again i don't believe we have plans on doing that. >> the facility he's transferred to is one closer to airports or transportation or to populated
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areas? >> yes. >> what would those be? >> we do releases -- we do releases out of nnc for the northern correctional center here in carson city and out of the south out of high desert state prison. >> how will he get back to florida if that's where he goes? >> those arrangements will be made with his parole plan. >> yeah, those -- yes. so once the release plan is developed, part of the arrangements of prerelease works out is whether it's going to be by air, by train. usually then they work with the family to make arrangements on the purchase of that ticket. >> thank you all very much for your cooperation. >> thank you. >> you do realize -- you went to a great deal of trouble you don't normally to. >> do you know why -- do you know why one of the parole
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commissioners was wearing a kansas city chiefs tie? [ laughter ] >> and we end with a joke about that kansas city chiefs tie. it's gotten a lot of attention. in the meantime the serious business of a parole board ending with a 4-0 vote for o.j. simpson. he looks like he will be potentially out at the earliest possible date, october 1st. because the state of florida is going to be have enough notice and assuming they accept him he will be headed there for first time in nine years a free man. we just heard the nevada officials talk about the conditions for release, the conditions for parole. they said they just released him. i know you have them now. give us the headlines. >> reporter: well, they're very strict with him. they made that very clear at the beginning of this hearing that they are very fair minded now and they're going to be very fair minded after they grant
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this parole. what they've said to simpson he has to have regular check ins with his parole officers. he can't leave the state without getting permission before hand. he cannot have any contact with a felon, he can't use alcohol in excess and he has to abide by all state laws and he has been to be a contributing member of society. i think this board was under a national spotlight so they made very clear that they were going to be diligent and careful. most of the hearings take 20 minutes, this took an hour and five minutes. before they announced the decision the first commissioner said to o.j. simpson, he said you deserve to go to prison for this. you were the mastermind behind this robbery. and though we are releasing you and though we have found that you have a limited number of disciplinary actions while you have been in prison, we do think that this is a just sentence. so here's what o.j. had to say about why he should be released. >> i have done my time. you know? i have done it as well as and as
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respectfully as i think anybody can. i think if you talk to the wardens, they'll tell you i have been -- i gave them my word. i believe in the jury system. i have honored their verdict. i have not complained for nine years. all i have done is try to be helpful and encourage the guys around me. hey, man, do your time. fight in court. and don't do anything that's going to extend your time. >> again, the first possible date for release, october 1st. so there's still some time for him to submit the plans of what he plans to do once he gets out. chris? >> katie, thank you for that. that's going to do it for me this hour. i'm chris jansing. "deadline: white house" starts right now. hi, everyone. 4:00 and we have been covering breaking news in the last hour. o.j. simpson has been granted parole and will go free as early as october 1st. after serving nearly nine years in a nevada prison for


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