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i got too slammed to put it up. you'll get a double dose of the big picture online at least for today. that does it for us. i'll toss it over to stephanie ruhle and ali velshi in new york. >> i'm trying to think back to when it wasn't a busy news day. >> we'll tweet that at you. have a great morning. going to be a busy one. good morning, everyone. >> i'm stepanie ruhle it is tuesday, july 25th. >> what a dramatic morning this is turning out to be. >> did you answer of the questions? >> his contacts with russia during the campaign. >> i did not kol lewd with russia. >> i don't think we can accept that at face value. we have to take it with a grain of salt. >> as a scout law says, a scout is trustworthy and loyal -- we could use more loyalty, i will tell you that. >> he is certainly frustrated and disappointed in the attorney
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general for recusing himself. >> the president of the united states is online bullying the attorney general. >> really trying to say, sessions get out of the way so i can put in my own attorney general who will fire bob mueller and shut down the russia very. >> i think they need to work this thing out. >> let me give you a quick synopsis of what i know about the bill we're voting on this afternoon. >> mr. president, where is your bill? >> you're going to get the votes? he better get them. he better get them. oh, he better -- otherwise, i'll say, tom you're fired and get somebody. who the hell wants to speak about politics when i'm in front of the boy scouts, right? >> well, well, well. >> my word. >> with those boy scouts, breaking news this just in.
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former trump campaign manager paul manafort met this morning with the senate intelligence committee and answered their questions fully according to his spokesperson, this as he's subpoenaed by the senate judiciary. >> the president trump's son-in-law jared kushner is back on capitol hill right now answering questions under oath before the house intel committee after he was interviewed by senate intelligence committee staffers yesterday. also breaking, we're watching for senator john mccain's return to capitol hill for the first time since being diagnosed with brain cancer. he's coming to cast what could be a make or break vote on the republican effort to advance a health care bill. this of course is the house of representatives prepares to vote on a bill that would slap new sanctions on russia, north korea and iran and limit the president's power to remove sanctions. >> that is a republican controlled senate working around the president so they can try to move forward on sanctions. all of that while president
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trump is viciously attacking are you ready for this, his own attorney general, t first senator to back o current president, the president tweeting this morning, ukrainian efforts to sabotage the trump campaign quietly working to boost clinton. so where is the investigation a.g.? are you kidding me? followed immediately by, another tweet attorney general jeff sessions has taken a very weak position on hillary clinton crimes where are e-mails and dnc server intel leakers? exclamation point. >> this is the strangest thing in the word. he's the boss of the attorney general, if he's just frustrated, did he miss the news jeff sessions recused himself months ago. >> to watch sarah huckabee sanders saying the president is really frustrated and disappointed that jeff sessions recused himself months ago. why didn't your anger then -- why didn't you go for a two for and fire james comey and jeff
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sessions in one day? it seems the heat is on as robert mueller and his team go deeper into president trump and his business ties, that's where things can get ugly to russia. and the president is certainly fired up. >> we've got this all covered, all of those various stories, capitol hill correspondent kasie hunt and white house correspondent kristen welker are standing by with us. kasie, let's start with you, what's this paul manafort story about? if one doesn't follow it as closely as we do and you do, it can start to get confusing. what's the development here? >> reporter: it is confusing, ali. the headline is obviously his spokes dzman confirmed that manafort came in to do an interview with the senate intelligence committee this morning and managed to sneak by our centuries posted outside of the committee came and went. the dispute and part of the reason we're also talking about manafort facing a subpoena from capitol hill, is that the senators in the senate judiciary
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committee want to see what it is that manafort said to intelligence committee investigators behind closed doors. and so far it seems they have not made an agreement to do that so essentially the judiciary committee has demanded that manafort show up and make a public appearance at the long planned hearing tomorrow. i caught up with the committee's chairman chuck grassley a few minutes ago. take a look what he had to say. >> we want manafort like we want trump jr. to come and other people that we're going to call in. and the point is that we're willing to give all sorts of accommodations but we can't mess around with back and forth and playing off one committee against another. and so if he feels he can't come and he's willing to negotiate in good faith, there are accommodations that can be made for him. >> you're subpoenaing paul manafort to come tomorrow?
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>> we have done that, yes. >> reporter: so it's still possible -- he's the republican chairman of the judiciary committee and i do think it's important to remember, guys, that a subpoena like this takes the agreement and both names, dianne feinstein and chuck grassley were on these press releases this morning about this. so the two of them feinstein a democrat, grassley the republican chaman, have agreed that this is what they want to do. it's entirely possible there could be behind the scenes negotiations today between the lawyers and committee that could result in manafort doing something other than appearing in public, maybe talking to them behind cloegsed doors and turning over the interview he did with the senate intelligence committee. there are a variety of options potentially on the table but right now there's something of a showdown going on and it's been commanded that manafort show up at the committee tomorrow. >> how about the other showdown -- jared kushner is add house intel answering questions.
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seems he was on the novice, i didn't know better. paul manafort certainly did. what's in store for jared at this moment? >> reporter: i think that's a good way to set this up because the discussion about what manafort may be able to provide, he was in that meeting in trump tower with don jr. and russian lawyer and with jared kushner. kushner's defense has been i didn't read the e-mail, i went in there and it was clearly a waste of my time. i had my assistant call me to have me exit the meeting. whether or not manafort's account squares with kushner's account is going to be a critical piece of information for the committees going forward. and so kushner is answering questions today from house members, remember it was intelligence committee staff on senate side that talked to him yesterday. today he's under oath with those committee members. and i think they are focus will be on teasing out whether or not there are any inconsistencies between what kushner has said in
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his statement and the documents he's provided and what these other witnesses may be saying behind closed doors. >> kasie, the president really appred of jared kushner's performance yesterday and tweeted out, jared kushner did very well yesterday in proving he did not collude with the rugszs, next up 11-year-old barron trump. stan stand by, kasie, let's go to kristen at the white house. i don't know there's any truth that barron trump will be subpoenaed -- >> clearly the president is trying to be humorous. >> to the earlier point stephanie made, is there any sense of why this jeff sessions stuff has developed new heat to it? it was no see kretd he recused himself months ago. what's happened? why is the president all about this this week? >> reporter: i think, steph hits on a important point, this is clearly getting under the president's skin.
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russian investigation takes up the headlines and jared kushner, other campaign officials on capitol hill being called to testify and so i think he is feeling the heat and growing increasingly frustrated and feeling as though it is overshadowing his broader agenda. the question becomes, what's going to happen with attorney general jeff sessions, he's made clear he's not stepping down. he was at the white house yesterday and didn't meet with the president. but what exactly is going to happen here? the president continues to be taking the strategy of trying to publicly take swipes at him on a daily basis. we saw that on display yet again idea. spoke with kellyanne conway and she was pressed whether the president has confidence in the attorney general and declined to answer that. when i pressed her, why doesn't the president just fire attorney general jeff sessions? why does he continue this daily assault against him? she said that's up to the president.
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no real clarity but we do know behind the scenes, the president has started to talk about potential replacements. house speaker paul ryan was asked about this earlier today. >> the president gets to decide what his personnel is. that's his -- he's the executive branch for the legislator branch and determines who is hired and fired in the executive branch, if he has problems with the attorney general, i'm sure he'll bring them up hielf. >> would that be obstruction of juice -- >> it's up to the president to decide personnel decisions and any possible follow-up. if he has questioconcerns, i'm he'll talk to him directly. >> the president will hold a joint press conference with the prime minister of lebanon and will take reporters questions. we'll get to ask the president ourselves whether he wants attorney general jeff sessions to go and why he doesn't fire him. >> i think that will be during my 3:00 eastern show today so
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we'll be very excited to see that. >> i want to point out, if you think about what jeff sessions is doing in the job, the president just doesn't like this russia business. which has nothing to do with the american people who voted for the president. people who voted for the republican agenda who back the work jeff sessions is doing on drug cracking down and immigration, he is actually doing what he set out to do. >> you can like him or not like him. interesting point jared kushner made yesterday, that any question about russian involvement in the campaign is an insult to people who voted for trump. it's actually not. has nothing to do with that. no reflection on anybody who voted for donald trump. kristen, we'll get back to you in a little bit. >> many people who voted for trump voted for an agenda and they are desperate to ged to said agenda. >> you did a thing on the weekend and yesterday how a ceo would be handling things and what shareholders would say. if one's boss were out trashing them like this in public and somebody wanted to fire you, they should fire you. if they do this, in the real
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world you could sue them. >> it is grossly unethical, defamation, slander. i will say to those going jeff sessions is cowering and doing nothing, you could argue he has the best response to an absolute bully, when a bully comes after you staring him down and couingforge ahead, that gets under the president's skin. it appears thus far jeff sessions ain't budging and these treats tweets do not reflect poorly on jeff sessions but on the trump. >> there are people who really hate jeff sessions and really hate donald trump. that's not what this is about. he's accusing jeff sessions of doing something inappropriate and making the accusation in a remarkably inappropriate way. >> take politics out for a second. let's look at that as a parent. i want to pull up a definition. definition of the word bully. a blusterringy browbeating person, especially one who is habitually cruel, insulting or threatening to others who are
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weaker, smaller and or in some way vulnerable. i know she decided not to make it part of her platform agenda, cyber bullying, that is what mel asdo melania trump was going to focus on. the way the president is behaving towards another person shows no respect. if my children rebee haf this way, they would be grounded. >> president trump's tweet today sulgting attorney general sessions pursue prosecution of a former rival is highly inappropriate. it should be based on applying facts to at the time law without a hint of political motivation. to do otherwise is to run away from the longstanding tradition of separating the law from politics regardless of party. >> the irony, people who may have hated jeff sessions for decades could back him after that. >> the one man who was in the room when a certain discu ssion was going on but before that, democratic senator ron widen of oregon, a member of that
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hill, jared kushner, president trump's senior adviser is answer being questions under oath before the house intelligence committee at this moment. we have a team right outside the room and we'll bring you any updates as they happen. >> breaking news, there's a door on the right side of the screen but that's what it's about. testimony going on behind that door. >> it might not look exciting but behind the door the heat is on. >> joining us live now is ron widen of oregon, a member of the senate intelligence committee and finance and budget committees. senator, good to see you, thank you so much for being with us. what do you know -- i know what you're going to say to that, what can you tell us about jared kushner's testimony to senate intelligence committee staffers?
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>> ali, i'll get to it in justcy second. one of the biggest health care decision in years and years will be made in a few hours, a debate between two approaches that both of them are going to mean for millions of americans, worse care, more expensive care and reduced coverage. i sure hope viewers will light up the switch boards on that. with respect to mr. kushner, i can tell you it's hard to give him the benefit of the doubt. he had to revise his security clearances a number of times and didn't disclose $11 million worth of assets. repeatedly concealed a foreign contacts and i'm telling you he got some of the most clever lawyering i have ever seen. he said, for example, that he didn't rely on the russians for financing his business. didn't say he had no business
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dealings. didn't say he never received russian investments so what i can tell you is clever responses but the idea that someone like this who's going to be in charge of middle east peace and innovation in government is clueless how washington works doesn't strike me as very plausible. >> clever word smithing can work in a formal statement by lawyers. since you pointed that out, is that a question we should expect jared kushner will have to be answering today, if he didn't rely on russian investors, did he get russian investors? >> what i can tell you is i'm going to insist that he have to respond to those questions in public before the senate select committee on intelligence. when we were working out our bipartisan agreement, there were three areas i insisted on, one were open hearings, second was subpoena power and third was the ability to declassify. the public has a right kushner
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commtee answering questions from democrats and republicans and i'll insist on it. >> senator, we've been talking about the situation around jeff sessions who was a colleague of yours. it's a very strange situation because all of us knew that jeff sessions had recused himself from the russian investigation months ago and now the president seals to be on a crew aid, i'm guessing to get jeff sessions to resign as opposed to firing him. it doesn't seem they are going to be a team for much longer. >> jeff sessions did not say or do anything against the president. he simply said because i have some involvement and conflicted, i need to simply step aside. he didn't do anything against the president. >> the idea, folks that the president would publicly humiliate his most loyal supporter just takes your breath away. as you'll recall, there was a big rally in alabama.
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jeff sessions put on the baseball hat and he's been there every step of the way. and to publicly humiliate a member of his cabinet, i think just unprecedented. >> what are you going to do? listen, if this is in anticipation and one-two punch, the president either wants jeff sessions to quit and if that doesn't happen he'll fire him, what do you need to do if you want to be sure the russia investigation and robert mueller's position are preserved? >> what you really wonder about is whether this is setting up a path to fire bob mueller and i've said you fire bob mueller wouz cause, that's going to be a constitutional crisis and all options are on the tabl if he fires jeff seions, the real question is going to be -- and that would be the focus certainly of any hearings on a new nominee, has something been worked out with the president that's going to create a path to firing bob mueller without
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cause? >> so, at that point, is there a role that the -- a lot of people are dependent on the fact that whatever happened at the june 9th meeting 2016 or anything else, bob mueller is able to get this information and able to subpoena and able to capture communications records. this changes the equation if what you're saying is what's happening. if this is not just donald trump being frustrated with jeff sessions as anthony scaramucci just said a few minutes ago, not having his back, if it's more serious than that and going down a road of getting rid of bob mueller, that puts back in the cat bird seat in the senate. because that's the only place people are going to get the truth. >> i can only tell you i've talked to a lot of members of the senate, ali, there's certainly been differences on policy questions. i've had them with bob mueller. i can't find a single senator who believes that bob mueller either now or in the past hads behaved in an unprofessional way. if this president decides to
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fire bob mueller without cause, i think all options would be on the table. i think it would trigger a very substantial constitutional crisis. >> how about triggering the hate going on in the country right now. last night, whether it was unprofessional, inappropriate or disrespectful, the president gave an aggressive speech at a boy scout jamboree, speaking as a mom, not politically driven, but speaking tonight at a rally in ohio wildly oversubscribed. the tone the president is taking, whether it's with little kids last night or massive crowd tonight, how dangerous is this if you think about the tone, anger he's inciting? >> i've always felt that america is strongest when we set the bar high. and again and again, we're seeing unprecedented presidential firsts and i have never heard, for example, about a president politicizing a boy
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as we await the vote on whether to start the debate orn trumpcare in the senate today, we're doing a deep dive into president trump's claims about health care during an event that he held on monday at the white hou house. let's listen. >> problem is we have zero help from the democrats. they are obstructionists, that's all they are, that's all they are good at. the senate bill protects coverage for preexisting conditions and you don't hear this from the democrats. obamacare's lies have caused this and throughout the whole country families like this, nothing but pain.
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obamacare has broken our health care system. it's broken. it's collapsing. it's gone. >> i love when he makes speeches like that because for fact's sake it's not true. when president trump says they've gotten no help from the democrat. they are obstructionists, here's the fact, senate leaders not senate republicans, senate leaders relied on small working groups of republican senators to craft a bill behind closed doors. most republican senators hadn't even seen the bill let alone demoats,his is a big fat pinocchio, not true. preexisting conditions, also not true, any replacement bill is expected to include a proposal allowing insurers to sell plans to sell people higher premiums,
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health experts warn you'll pay significantly higher prices. he said premiums are going to go down. there's no pressure in which they they go down except that provision ted cruz put in that allows you to buy tiny coverage for very little money and get a box of band-aids for it. obamacare caused nothing but pain and broken our health care system and collapsing and it's gone. gallup shows while the nation's uninsured rake has ticked up slightly in 2017 to 11.7%, because of the fact that these markets are unstable because donald trump is talking about not funding the insurers, the peak of uninsured in 2013 before obamacare was 18% before the affordable care act went into effect. it does not appear that obamacare is collapsing, we've done that in great detail on this show. there are parts of the individual insurance marketplace that have serious problems.
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many of which are being exacerbated by the administration's approval to refusal to commit to funding the insurance exchanges. the congressional budget office indicated obamacare exchanges are stabilizing and some sparsely populated areas in the country have a very legitimate struggle to find insurers. but this was while i was on tv in the afternoon yesterday. it was quite a speech. i mean, it would be much more helpful for the president and opponents of obamacare who have legitimate issues to talk about the issues frankly and let us debate them. >>n terms of the instability, what they need to do at the basic level is shore up exchanges and that's not hard to do. we'll take a break and trump in attack mode, going after his own people on twitter today. let me tell you, that always back fires. >> time for the cartoon of the day. senator mccain decency and bipartisanship in the hospital beds, side by side. >> extraordinary. shawn evans: it's 6 am. 40 million americans are waking up to a gillette shave.
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tweeting against his own attorney general, the acting fbi director and russia election meddling investigation. joining us is barbara mcquaide, former u.s. attorney in mitch machine asked to resign by president trump. good to see you, you don't have to like jeff sessions or donald trump or like them both, president trump's tweet this morning attorney general jeff sessions has taken a very weak position on hillary clinton crimes where are e-mails and dnc server and intel leakers? this is just very strange for a president to be tweeting this at his top law enforcement person. >> well, it really is. it's -- i think deeply troubling for anyone who cares about the independence of the department of justice. first, he's belittling a very important position in the united states. the attorney general of the united states for all of the rank in file people who work at the justice department. i think it's demoralizing to see
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it and for the american public, it has got to really rock their confidence in the institution. >> i mean, not just the institution, for people who voted for president trump and for republicans who wanted to get to a trump agenda, have you heard the president tweeting about anything else moving forward? he's also via twitter aacng fbi director mccabe and mueller, with regard to things that hillary clinton. what do you think is motivating the president here? >> you know, i'm not sure what is motivating him. one wonders. it sort of reminds of when somebody is in a bad relationship and don't want to break up with you and hoping you'll break up with them in you behave badly enough. almost like president trump is pushing attorney general sessions to resign. if so, there could be strategy behind that. the professor at the university of texas pointed out that if the attorney general is to resign, then president trump could act under the vacancies reform act and put any appointee into place
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as acting attorney general -- >> need to get confirmed? >> not in an acting capacity. or he may be waiting for a recess appointment opportunity when congress goes on recess in august, he could appoint an acting attorney general in that capacity that could stay until the end of this congressional session. >> barbara, good to talk to you again. thanks for helping us clear this up, university of michigan law professor and former u.s. attorney in the eastern district of michigan who was asked to resign by president trump. >> next, president trump talks to the boy scouts of america, he said he put politics aside but that's not what happened. we'll break down the gems and fine points and wows. stay with us. >> i said, who the hellants to speak about politics when i'm in front of the boy scouts? right?
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and it's not a good place. in fact, today i said we ought to change it from the word swamp to the word cesspool or sewer. hopefully he's going to get the votes tomorrow to start our path towards killing this horrible thing known as obamacare that's really hurting us. by the way, are you going to get the votes? you better get them. he better get them. oh, he better -- otherwise i'll say tom, ire fired. as tscout law says, a scout is trustworthy, loyal -- we could use more loyalty, i could tell you that -- what do you think the chances are this incredible massive crowd, record setting is going to be shown on television tonight? 1% or zero? the fake media will say
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president trump smoke -- you know what this is -- president trump spoke before a small crowd of boy scouts today. >> we won and won. when they said there is no way to victory, there is no way to 270, i went to maine four times because it's one vote and we won. but we won. one vote. i went there because i kept hearing where 269, then wisconsin came in, many, many years. michigan came in. so, and we worked hard there. you know, my opponent didn't work hard there. under the trump administration, you'll be saying merry christmas again when you go shopping, believe me. merry christmas. >> fear not, mr. president, we're going to air that speech not just to a big crowd but big
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audience, that of course president trump's address to boy scouts. many of whom are too young to vote and the national scout jamboree, a speech he promised would not touch policy or politics but included his effort to repeal obamacare, tax on media and dig at his predecessor, former president obama and former boy scout himself and rehash of his victory last november. president trump made several references to the scout's law, which states, that a scout is among other things, friendly, courteous, kind and obedient. it is a law followed by more than 2.3 million scouts nationwide and was adhered to by two dozen republican senators and members of congress, including house speaker paul ryan. another prominent former scout, i've got to point this out wasn't there last night. the president's own secretary of state rex tillerson, he is a former president of the boy scouts of america, his father worked for them too.
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and according to vice news, quote, rex tillerson shines when he's given the opportunity to talk about the scouts and he has said there's nothing i would rather spend my discretionary time doing than talking about the boy scouts. the scouts actually put together a statue in rex tillerson's honor earlier this year. rex tillerson doesn't like to talk to the press but certainly we would love to hear your thoughts on president trump's speech last night to those boy scouts. for now, we'll get quite another special voice. roland martin, host and managing editor of news one now. >> and by the way, a former scout yourself, right, roland? >> lord no, i couldn't wear those uniforms, they couldn't do it. my daddy said you can't dress like that. no no -- just -- i almost became a cub scout but i was just way too busy. i was trying to be a journalist when i was in the third grade. >> you're a journalist now.
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what's your take on what happened last snnight? >> our president is childest and petty and it was despicable and shameful. to go there and talk about some rich guy, all of the hot people at a party, really? if i'm a parent with a child who is a boy scout or cub scout, i don't want to send them there to listen to that man and things he had to say. you read the 12 points of a scout law. courteous, kind, obedient, cheerful, thrifty and clean and reverent. if you're jeff sessions, trump not loyal. if you're saying trust worthy, we keep hearing about russia and lies coming out. friendly, we know how he grabs women by the body parts and contract yocurt yous and kind and obedient --
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>> i take issue with that. thrifty is on that list. if you recall, donors are paying for don jr.'s legal bills. got you there. >> there you go. >> the organizers of the jamboree sent out a notice to all of the various scouts that are going to be there and leaders and said you can help make the president's visit a success, ensuring any reaction to the address as we state in the scout law, friendly and courteous and kind, please help me make sure your troop members of respectful and the wide variety of viewpoints held by scouts tonight. the scouts had instructions, this man can make anything political, went to the cia, where is respect is paid to the fallen, unnamed cia employees who have died and made that an ordeal. >> that's his crack, he's
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addicted to it. he's a crack head when it comes to -- >> okay -- hold on. roland -- hold on a second. roland, hold on -- >> follow me here. >> we're talking about being respectful. this is the president -- >> hold on -- this is president of the united states of the united states. if you want to say he's an adrenaline addict, that is fine. you're not going to say it's his crack. >> that's his fix. >> fine. >> when he gets in front of a large crowd, he loses it. the cia, this one here, it doesn't matter, oh, the big win, i won this state. he did not spend the time talking about public service. what you should do for the country. it's all him, him, him. america would lake to see the president of the united states act like it and we keep saying, oh, it's going to change him. no, it's not. we're six months in and it's not going to change him. he's 71 years old. he's going to keep doing this and you sit there and listen to
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it and it was horrible. and i had boy scouts, people who were not adults saying, is that what you want to hear? so here's the question. can we trust this president to speak to america's young or is he simply going to trash president obama aoy scout, trash former secretary of state hillary clinton or sit here and joke about hot people at parties. i'm sorry. that was despicable and i'd like to respect the president but can he please respect the office? >> all right, then. roland martin, my mother who voted for president trump, she herself was disgusted by last night's speech. he's giving another rally to a huge crowd. >> he's going to get a fix tonight. >> he's certainly going to get a fix. >> we're going to stick with fix. roland, thank you for coming. i wish you'd come out of your shell a little bit. >> i'm trying. i'm trying. i'll be a little more forthright next time. >> all right, roland. >> ali, i appreciate the
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two of them, potential judges. now, the third is this man. brian benczkowski. and he once represented one of russia's largest banks. >> can't seem to getway from them. >> no. >> and wore joined by charlie. what have you learned about this? >> we learned about this yesterday when someone gave to us at "the new york times" letters that brian benczkowski disclosed on the eve of this hearing today that among his clients has been alpha bank, this very large russian financial institution whose owners have ties to vladimir putin. and that has been at the center of some scrutiny, though it's not clear how strong the basis of that is, for the
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investigation and rumors. >> it was discovered last year, please correct me i'm wrong, a server linked directly to alpha bank. >> this is part of what we now think -- although some of this remains murky and may have been garbled. there was unusual sets of data stream going to alpha bank servers from a server linked to the trump organization and that got reported a he then it was communicating sereptitiously with this moscow bank with putin ties. >> then i was wrong. no server found. >> as best as we can tell at this point, there was a server
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that had the trump name on it but not controlled by the trump organization and controlled by a spam company, essentially, that was spamming out e-mails about trump properties on behalf of the trump organizati, not controlled by the trump organization or in the trump tower. the fbi looked at it and they decided there was nothing to do it. it remains murky but maybe a bit of a red herring when there's so much other stuff. >> that's good to know. >> here's what we know. they are going to have questions. >> they are going to have questions. >> absolutely. >> good to see you, charlie. >> thank you very much. >> dianne feinstein revealed that he recuse himself and this russia data transmission thing and he's refusing to recuse
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himself from all things mueller. that's an interesting data point as this unfolds this morning. >> charlie, i'm going to use this line that you just used, some of this remains murky. bless you. is it cold in here? >> it's because ali makes this room so cold. >> because i got to the studio earlier so i got to set the room cooler. >> maybe he's sweaty. >> thank you, charlie. now you're part of the conversation. charlie and i can talk about sweat. >> it's so cold. >> thanks for watching this hour of "msnbc live." i'm ali velshi. >> and i'm stephanie ruhle. next, it's at "andrea mitchell reports." >> john mccain is back for the key health care vote and jared kushner is taking questions from the congressman en on the
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intelligence committee. we'll find out a pivotal vote just hours from now. >> tom price is also here. by the way, are you going to get the ves? he bter get them. he better get them. otherwise, i'll say, tom, you're fired. >> the breakup? the president was joking about his health secretary but it's no joke about his attorney general. white house officials comparing the trump/sessions relationship to a couple on the verge of divorce. look, i know that he is certainly frustrated and disappointed in the attorney general for recusing himself, but that frustration certainly hasn't gone away and, you know, i don't think it will. >> and on my honor. president donald trump at the boycott jamboree talking about loyalty but last night's speech wasn't

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