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that wraps up this hour. now more with kristen welker. >> it was a great hour. i'm in for hallie jackson. let's get right to it. a string of votes on health care, including the so-called skinny repeal. so far, lawmakers failing to give anything the green light. over at the white house, calls for a new investigation. personal leak, calling it a felony, even setting up a war with the chief of staff. outrage growing this morning. president trump's ban on transgender people in the military not sitting well. the military blind sided. fierce reaction from democrats and republicans and here is what's still unknown. what happens to those already in uniform? the former secretary of the
army, the first openly gay man to hold that job, eric fanning, is here live. we'll talk to him. our team is set up and ready to go. kelly o'donnell is at the white house. kelly, i want to start with you. we have a big panel here today to break this all down. you are here at the white house, tracking the developments on this critical day of votes and we know that president trump already tweeting about the health care vote today. he's pushing them to get something done. they're looking at this skinny repeal. talk to me about the strategy there and what they expect. >> reporter: we've seen the president using the carrot and the stick on twitter. today he is more in the carrot category, urging republicans to do what they promised. come on senate republicans, the tone of his tweet. we've seen him before lash out at particular senators who did not vote with him, more broadly threatening to go after those who do not support this down the
line politically. for the white house, the challenge here is that the path is very narrow. the president talks about that. you move a little this way, you lose someone over here. you move that way, you lose someone there. the white house is certainly wanting to see republicans take action. the chances of this working are very slim. they recognize that. one way they've talked about it is that a slow ship is very hard to turn and a sinking ship is the way they would describe the obamacare law even slower to turn. that's sort of the categorization that we're getting. we're hearing, certainly, from the vice president, who is pressing those senate republicans he has established relationships there. the president even, as he often publicly will sort of threaten the standing of one of his team members often in jest. mike, it's on you, meaning the vice president, to try to get this accomplished. debating this morning, continued debate. more votes this afternoon. thursday is typically a day when
senators are kind of wanting to wrap up their week and head home. there is incremental work going on, trying to change minds, twist arms. the president back and forth between the smackdown versus honey approach. in the moment we're kind of in the honey zone. kristin? >> kelly, it's been striking because in the final days before the house legislation passed we saw president trump ramp up his engagement. i would argue we're seeing that now as you pointed out at the top, using the bully pulpit. what do you expect we're going to see throughout the day, working the phones behind the scenes? >> we get told he's working the phones. yet i have made calls to specific senators who likely would be targets of such a phone call and have not yet heard that the president has connected with those individuals. sometimes it would be someone at the senior staff level at the white house or the vice
president. i don't have an update on whether the president is actually picking up a phone and connecting with senators that he might have some ability to sper suede. this is a flexible accordion list of republicans who have been known for differing reasons and a couple who have been no, no, no, very unlikely to be reached. one of the things that has been difficult is the sort of frustration many senate republicans have toward the white house for how this has been handled. it's a little bit too involved, not involved enough. some discord over the way jeff sessions, the attorney general, has been treated, that is not making the president's sway as receptive as it might be. everyone in the republican party understands what's at stake when it comes to the health care law and some who believe the ultimate answer to this is that the current action will not prevail and we'll have to go to a more traditional route with
hearings and work with democrats, which is something that has been floated. can they get this skinny version, paired-down version of reforms done by the end of their current work period? if that can happen, of course, we have to involve the house again. this not an easy task. we've seen the response from the public and state governors who have a real impact on these senators, especially when it comes to medicaid. if you remove the individual mandate and corporate mandate, the requirement to have insurance, that affects the insurance market for individuals who don't qualify for medicaid but would be buying insurance through the exchanges. different constituencies here and lots of really political trouble on all sides. doing nothing isn't an answer. doing something has been very complicated. kristen? >> complicated, indeed. it's been compared to a jenga puzzle. kelly o'donnell, i'm going to ask you to stick around. we're going to check back in with you later in the hour.
thanks so much for breaking that down, kelly. now to nbc's garrett haike on capitol hill. leader mcconnell is taking the floor. the session is opening up. the stakes could not be higher. set the scene. what are you anticipating and what are you hearing? >> reporter: kristien, the leadr has called this a rubix cube, even less fun than jenga, trying to slide all the pieces into place here. there are ten hours left on debate on this bill. then we refer to what we affectionately refer to as vote-a-rama on this bill. democrats would love to have this final vote come down to something like 3:00 in the morning to imply that senators somehow are sneaking this plan
in in the middle night. when that vote-a-rama wraps up, the leader will offer what's called a manager's amendment, this skinny repeal. it's all being hashed out today. it's incredible after seven years we're going to come down to essentially 2 1/2 days of discussion on something that will lead to this repeal bill which will literally be just the elements that they think they can get 50 votes for. we're talking about, as kelly said, repeal of individual and employer mandates. there's no guarantee that even that can pass. a number of senators say they won't vote for repeal unless they know where they're going, unless we know what some kind of replacement looks like. and the risk you take to the individual market by pulling those mandates saying we'll hope for the best is not insubstantial. a lot will be hashed out here, most of it behind closed doors, ironically enough, despite the fact that there's tee bait on
the floor over the next few hours. >> great point. i know you have your running shoes on today. we will be checking back in with you throughout the day. thank you for that breakdown from capitol hill. with me now, ryan streeter, former deputy chief of staff to then governor mike pence, as well as former special assistant to george w. bush. he is now with the american enterprise institute. my panel for the hour, usa today senior political reporter and msnbc political analyst hidy przby przbyla. ryan, i want to start with you. as you read between these tea leaves, do you think this will pass today this skinny repeal? >> it's hard to know whether it will pass. so much conflicting information coming off the hill. bigger thing is to step back and look at what this is supposed to be. it's a very trimmed down bill. it repeals these two mandates and device tax. no one expects this to be the final product.
this is essentially a bridge to have a conference with the house. so the bigger question is, even if they are able to get the votes today, once they get into conference with the house, what will they actually be able to do that they haven't been able to do already in order to get the votes to send something to the president's desk? >> it's a great point. talk to me about the optics of this first step, though. it's one of what they anticipate will be a number of steps, including working with the house. does it send a signal to voters that we've been campaigning on this for seven years and yet we still don't have a plan for repeal and replace that's effective, that can get over the hurdle, the finish line. >> yeah. if they pass it, it will be a very short lived victory. once it goes into conference, they'll be back into lots of agreement and warfare within the caucus itself in terms of what they want, which brings up the larger point. republicans have had a hard time actually agreeing on what the objectives actually are. so even reconciliation itself,
which was chosen because you need 50 votes as opposed to the normal 60. to get what they said they want, which is control costs and keep coverage fairly broad. reconciliation will prove to be a very difficult vehicle for technical reasons and so they may very well find themselves in a situation like kelly said where they're back in a more traditional approach and thinking of how to do this in a bipartisan way. >> a number of senators already weighing in on this notion of skinny repeal. this is what senator cassidy had to say. let's listen in. i'll get your reaction on the other side. >> it doesn't remake one-sixth of the nation's economy. it affects 4% of the people in the individual market. so the skinny package would be a very skinny package and, again, having little effect beyond moving the process forward. >> ryan, your reaction? this sense that, again, this is
just the first step. they're thinking this will be ultimately changed and overhauled. isn't this skinny package effectively hurting people who are older, who are sicker, helping people who have more money? >> yeah. the problem with it is that it gets rid of the mandates. that create ace flight out of insurance market t will destabilize insurance markets. healthier and younger people will leave, which will drive up the premiums for everyone else. both the house bill and senate bill voted on this week have provisions in them to try to mitigate that. slightly different. waiting periods, attacks on premiums basically. each of them is weaker than the current individual mandate. that's why reconciliation will prove to be so challenging, is to keep insurance markets stabilized and competitive, you're probably not going to be able to pass even those provisions, which are weaker than the individual main date, because they're outside of the spending and fiscal requirements that the reconciliation process requires. the very things that the republicans need in order to
keep the markets stabilized and do what they want they'll have a hard time doing in reconciliation. >> that's the key, keeping the markets stabilized. that's what's so challenging. let's talk about the white house's strategy. we're learning the interior secretary overnight reached out to senators in alaska, including lisa murkowski and said your priorities could be hurt if you don't get on board with this legislation. what is your sense of that? what do you make of the white house's strategy? lisa murkowski says i'm not up for re-election for several years. >> it's stunning. you're seeing gop officials liken that to blackmail. we've seen this president often take this is kind of hard-knuckled approach in negotiating. we saw it on the house side when he singled out mark meadows tried to put him out there as an example to others. if you cross me, you'll be punished. in the end that did not work. senators will look at that and think we don't want to set an example. if you want to call this
bullying, blackmail or whatever, that it's going to work. >> ten bipartisan governors are saying we're opposed to the skinny repeal. it may be a first step but we don't even want to see congress take that first step. is that type of pressure going to have an impact, do you think? >> i think that type of pressure matters for the senators, which is really what matters right now, that vote. how many times can senators say i'm just voting yes so we can move to the next step? eventually you're going to be voting on something that, could rgd to every score so far, will be costs millions of people their insurance. for governors, states that rely on medicaid, that will be a tough vote. rob portman, dean heller, what their governors are saying matters more than what this president with a 35% approval rating is saying. >> great point. ryan, finally, mitch mcconnell, he is known as being a master at this. being able to work out these very complicated, legislative moments. what do you think his end game is?
and just as a reminder, he said we might ultimately have to work with democrats. >> he's an expert at this. and we see how difficult this is. what we're really seeing right now is a lack of agreement about what the objectives actually are. i think there have been republican ideas floated in the past about how to take more of the medicaid population, get them into private insurance through more generous subsidies and lower cost plans on the exchanges and all those things that have fallen into the background. and have become sort of secondary to the parliamentary process of just trying to get a bill done. i think they're paying a price for that now. they haven't been able to basically get around a coherent vision that would actually satisfy people that have concerns about medicaid. there's a better way for them to have better access to health care and those discussions have gone way, way into the background. and i think they're paying a price for that now. no parliamentary expertise can get you past that. >> quickly before we move on,
the president has been very insistent. republicans don't own this. democrats own this. the reality is that democrats say we're not going to repeal president obama's health care law. do republicans own this, do you think? >> they own it now. they've been saying for years they are going to repeal and replace obamacare and are showing how difficult that is. the attention is on them. no getting around that. >> ryan streeter, thank you so much. stick around with me for the hour. next, anthony scaramucci may be the new guy at the white house but is already on the war path, calling for an fbi investigation into leaks. next, how the bureau is responding when we come right back. it's not a quick fix.
what the president and i would like to tell everybody, we have a very, very good idea who the senior leakers are in the white house. >> that was president trump's new communications director anthony scaramucci on his investigation into leaks within the administration. he says he has been asking the fbi to look into it. scaramucci is acknowledging friction with chief of staff reince priebus and said he's not sure if their relationship can be repaired. kelly o'donnell is back to talk to us about this. he said he's going to crack down on these leakers, prepared to fire everyone in the com shop if
that's what's necessary. bring us up to speed on this back and forth. >> reporter: he is not yet an official employee with the federal government but has a big imprint already here. typically if you're the communications director, you have sort of the control over those who work in the communications team. it's quite a number of people, not just the press secretary, but there are behind the scenes staff that the public generally does not see. it does appear that scaramucci is broadening his approach. he talked about interviewing other assistants to the president. that's the highest level of staff member for the white house. and in a back and forth with reince priebus, presumably, because he used the tweet -- it's almost as if the twitter for anthony scaramucci is kind of a let's take this outside version of two guys having a disagreement. the other interesting thing important to note the use of the word "leak" or "leaker" typically in washington has referred to disclosing secure,
classified information that would be unlawful to disclose, passing along information about plans, programs, things happening behind the scenes, working with reporters to do that is not leaking. it's the back and forth that happens between government officials and journalists all the time since the beginning of time. leaking is a very specific thing and does involve a crime. financial disclosure form that scaramucci and everyone who works at the white house is required to submit is a public document. it becomes available after submitted and reviewed for public viewing following a certain procedure. that's what happened here this is not a leak technically, someone passing off the private information of scaramucci. to give you the sense of the tension between reince priebus, the chief of staff, and someone who should be subordinate in a normal structure, but will
report directly to the president, anthony scaramucci talks about their relationship. >> chief of staff, we've had odds and differences. when i said we're brothers from the podium, that's because we're rough. some brothers are like cain and abel. other brothers can fight with each other and then get along. i don't know whether this will be repairable or not. that's up to the president. he is the chief of staff and responsible for understanding and covering and helping me do that in the white house which is why i put that tweet out last night. if reince wants to explain he's not a leaker, let him do that. >> reporter: a real challenge there both in what he said on television, what he has done on twitter. reince priebus, chief of staff who has worked with the president a full year now -- once he got the nomination of the party and was then rnc
chairman -- has often perceived to be embattled. scaramucci is really taking that out to the public square. kristen? >> thank you for those dual hits and all that information. appreciate it. joined now by former federal prosecutor ronaldo arimati. sharing information with reporters is not necessarily leaking. in fact, anthony scaramucci deleted that tweet that accused the leaker of committing a felony. map it out for us that. is not a felony. correct? >> that's correct. generally speaking to people, including the press, is not a crime. she's correct when you leak classified information, that can be a crime. but that's an exception. here, not only was he passing along information that was not classified but it was actually information that was, itself, of
public disclosure. he was disclosing a disclosure. that would not be a crime and accusing anyone, especially the white house chief of staff, of committing a felony in a public setting when they haven't committed a crime at all is serious business. >> just follow up on that a little bit. serious business, what do you mean by that? does it create legal problems in and of itself? >> well, it certainly, i think mr. priebus might view that he has been defamed in some way. my suggestion for your viewers is if you think you are a victim of a crime, report it to the police or to the fbi. don't put it in a public setting where you'll alert the bad guy to whatever you're doing. let the police do their job and making public accusations about something that you're not fully informed about can have legal consequences. it's best not to do it unless you're sure about what you're saying. >> i want to play more about what anthony scaramucci had to say and then get your reaction on the other side.
>> the white house leaks are small potatoes relative to things that are going on relative to leaking things about syria, north korea or iraq. those are so treasonous that 150 years ago, people would have been hung for those types of leaks. >> is that an accurate statement? >> i don't think that that is accurate. i think the whole concept of leaking is more of a modern phenomenon. there's certainly always been government secrets that have been banded about. the idea, the whole notion of classified information and passing that to the press is more of a modern phenomenon. leaking classified information is serious. there are occasionally prosecution for that. most of the time wave been hearing the term "leak" thrown around it has nothing to do with classified information. it's just people are talking to reporters and other people don't like that. >> let me just go to heidi now and get your take on all of
this. what is going on behind the scenes here? and do you think -- because you're hearing anthony scaramucci sort of talk in a very gray area about reince priebus. do you think you'll see some type of ouster here? >> what was most interesting is that scaramucci acknowledged he was sanctioned by trump to go out and do what he did, tearing into reince. that is an amazing revelation, that the president is encouraging this display of dysfunction within his white house, with two top aides, comparing them to cain and be al. a white house episode of "the apprentice." >> cain and abel comment was astounding. apple computer supplier foxconn announces new plans for a factory in wisconsin.
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przbyla and matthew nessbaum. what does this job's announcement mean and how much credit should the president get for it? >> straight up, this is a very big win for the state of wiscons wisconsin, talking about 3,000 or 13,000 jobs and the 10,000 construction jobs associated. as governor scott walker said it willb build quite an ecosystem with a lot of jobs around it and they will be able to attract talent. that's a very, very big posit e positive. the chairman of foxconn came to visit the president weeks ago. there's going to be around $3 billion of tax breaks associated with this. that is to be expected. if you think any company is going to bring a big plant here you're going to see tax breaks. foxconn is interesting this is a company that received a lot of criticism, or apple did, because they're a supplier of apple, how they treat their workers. nuts and bolts, plain and simple if -- it's a commitment to do
this over a few years, big win for wisconsin. they're going to build a plant in pennsylvania several years ago, they still haven't broen broke ground. >> steph, i want to follow up with you on something we talk about every single day, messaging coming out of this white house. this was the big event at the white house yesterday. yet the president started his daet day with a tweet that he was banning all transgender military service members and tweeted his attorney general, jeff sessions. and at the backdrop of this, new communications director ramping up his call to crack down on leaks. and this announcement largely got buried. what do you make of it? >> anthony scaramucci loves to use wall street sayings like your word is your bond. what's the president's word? in terms of stepping on his own message with the transgender military members with jeff sessions. think about this. foxconn is a big win.
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to el salvador for meetings on immigration and crime. charlie sykes host of "ind "indivisable." and charlie savidge. since we have two charlies, let's do last names. mr. savage, what have you found? >> trump wants an attorney general that can regain control over the russia investigation because mr. sessions is recused from that case he is not capable of firing or reigning in bob mueller, who is looking at things like trump's dealings to see whether the shell companies it does business with are russian and all kinds of things that are making the president
sweat. if you are able to get rid of sessions by either bullying him into resigning or simply firing him, he could put in a new attorney general who would not be recused and would be able to fire mueller or take a very narrow interpretation of how far his jurisdiction to look at other things extends. he could do so either by appointing an acting attorney general. that would have to be someone who is already senate confirmed in the government somewhere or a very senior justice department official who has been in the job at least three months. not a lot of options there for someone he might consider to be a loyalist. if the senate goes on a lengthy, formal recess, as it's about to do in august, unless it takes steps to prevent this, he could use his recess appointment powers to put anyone he wanted into that position who would wield all the powers of the attorney general through january of 2019. he could appoint sean hannity or anne coulter. that's a joke, obviously. but he could appoint rudy jew
giuliani or someone. that would be a way to get someone who is loyal to him in control of the special investigation. >> charlie sykes, let's talk about a reappointment. the notion of that is sparking a pretty big backlash, including from some republicans. a tweet from chuck grassley who said everybody in d.c. should be warned that the agenda for the judiciary committee is set for the rest of 2017. judges first, subcabinet second. ag, no way. the judiciary committee and grassley basically saying don't go there? and how seriously do you think the president is going to take that? >> well, i don't know what the president thinks or how seriously he takes any of that. there's no question about it they're sending a signal. jeff sessions is a member of this club and you can humiliate other people, you can attack other people on twitter but if you fire the attorney general of the united states, that may be
one of the red lines, at least internally in the united states senate. let's put this in some context. what's happening here -- maybe we've become numb to this. the president of the united states is clearly saying he's thinking of firing the attorney general in order to get control of an investigation into him, his cronies and his family. he's making no secret of the fact that this is all part of an effort to obstruct this investigation. and i think that that's kind of the oh, my goodness moment for a lot of republicans, that he's not even being subtle about all of this i think he will run into real headwinds in the united states senate if he tries to pull this off. >> let me bring you in on that point. charlie sykes says this could be a real red line for republicans. how seriously is the president considering this option of a recess appointment? >> he seems to be floating it. he sometimes likes to float things that he won't actually do. but he's talking about it. republicans across washington
say don't touch bob mueller. firing jeff sessions is a way to get at bob mueller. can donald trump do anything that makes house republicans and some senate republicans turn on him? this might be it. >> it sounds like they wouldn't go into recess because, like charlie says, sessions is not being fired or pushed out for the job that he is doing as attorney general. arguably, he is doing a model job in terms of pushing through trump's agenda in terms of immigration and other policies. he's solely being targeted because he has some kind of -- he is an obstacle in this investigation. >> and charlie sykes, back to you on that point. one legal analyst said to me the president is acting like he's afraid of something, frankly. is there any validity to that? where do you see this going? >> absolutely. again, i don't know what it is that they're going to uncover
but certainly he is acting as if there is something huge. have you to ask yourself, how big must it be? what are they going to uncover that is so damaging or so embarrassing to the president that he is willing to spend this much political capital and actually risk blowing up his presidency? the amount of political capital that he is burning through on all of this is amazing. you do wonder. all of this talk about the pardons and the demonization of bob mueller and attacks on session began about the time that the president apparently became aware of the fact that mueller was going to get everything, the income tax returns, business records. he was going to be looking into all of these transactions with a company that has never been transparent. he certainly is acting as if there's something there that he absolutely does not want bob mueller to reveal. >> charlie savage, let me have you make the final point here. those close to jeff sessions say he is not going anywhere. jeff sessions has said that
publicly. although, we do know that these attacks by the president have started to get under his skin. looking into your crystal ball, do you think he stays on as attorney general? >> well, let me just answer that in this way. the latest sort of twist of this is that the aides around the president who have been advising him to knock it off and stay away from this are now sort of putting out the word, well, maybe sessions has survived for now. maybe the president is going to back off and let him stay. he has gotten the message and so forth. and so that maybe we're turning a page here and session survives. i just don't know that i trust that kind of background prediction anymore. we've seen so many times the cycle where the president's aides and counselors and lawyers really want him to do something or to not do something and then they leak he has decided or apparently decided to do that thing or not do that thing, to stop using twitter because he's just creating problems for himself, et cetera.
and then he responds defiantly. you can't tell me what to do. i am going to use twitter. right? so i wonder whether this will be anotherity ration of that cycle of an uncontrollable president. >> great conversation on a very complicated topic. thanks to both our contributor, charlie savage, charlie sykes, heidi przbyla and matthew. how to carry out a ban on trangender men and women in the military. what will it mean for service members on the front lines right now? the man who led the army under president obama when we come back. group. i wore lederho. when i first got on ancestry i was really surprised that i wasn't finding all of these germans in my tree. i decided to have my dna tested through ancestry dna. the big surprise was we're not german at all. 52% of my dna comes from scotland and ireland.
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>> thanks for having me. >> let's talk about the practicalities of this first. what can it mean for transgender servicemen and women currently serving in war zones, in afghanistan, overseas right now. the white house couldn't say if they would be immediately discharged. could those people be in harm's way right now? >> first of all they are in harm's way if they are deployed in those environments but this increases risk for them. we want them focused on the mission and taking care of themselves and fellow soldiers and marines, whoever they are fighting with. this is a serious distraction for people who are serving in uniform and well trained and doing their jobs add mirably. >> one of the things we reported yesterday, many within the pentagon were caught off guard at the white house briefing yesterday, which i was there. sarah huckabee sanders couldn't answer basic questions. she said those details are still being worked out. what do you make of the haste with which this appears to have been done and what that means
about whether or not this is practical? >> first of all, this is why we don't tweet policy. policy is complicated and it's unlike anything i was ever a part of in my many years inside government. when we worked through something like this, we thought through it carefully and how to implement this policy. i don't see any indication that's been a part of this very serious disruption for the force and impact on readiness. >> what do you say to those who are transgender and watching this unfold and want to serve their country. should they? what should they do right now, secretary? >> the first thing i would say to people thinking about serving and those who are serving, transgender americans, you're not a burden. quite the opposite. it's important and incumbent that we recruit from the broadest pool of people this country has to offer. i would say to those
contemplating and in uniform right now, we had a bad day yesterday, confusing day yesterday but the progress is never linear and sometimes something propels us forward. >> let's do a quick fact check. the president says it's a financial burden, the reality is that the medical cost that transgender service members need is a very small fraction of the defense budget. and you had ash carter saying it actually makes the military stronger. give us the fact check on that? >> first of all, yes, the rand did a report, the most credibility organization out there that said it could be as much as .13% of military medical spending and little as .04. the numbers being thrown out that a billion after them, there's no credible evidence to support them. and frankly, this is the kind of charge that they'll be a burden and impact a unit cohesion that
goes back to truman integrating the service 69 years ago yesterday. we heard the same things when we ended don't ask, don't tell and same things when we opened all combat positions to women. these never bear fruit and we see our force gets stronger as we open opportunities to more people. >> secretary fanning, thank you for being here and your important insights on an important day. we'll be right back with today's big picture. hange, causing a lack of sharpness, or even trouble with recall. thankfully, the breakthrough in prevagen helps your brain and actually improves memory. the secret is an ingredient originally discovered... in jellyfish. in clinical trials, prevagen has been shown to improve short-term memory. prevagen. the name to remember.
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today's big picture comes to us from north korea as that country continues its nuclear provocations. this picture really struck us for its serenity. three women, pyongyang seen here bowing and paying respects to two of the nation's former leaders, kim il-sung and kim jong-il. those women are participating in celebrations marking the 64th celebration of the armistice that ended the korean war. as always, you can catch me online at kwe c welker nbc. more news with stephanie ruhle. we'll pass it back and forth all day. >> there's a lot of news to cover. good morning, i'm stephanie ruhle. my partnienepartner ali velshi assignment. let's get started. >> the president and i would like to tell everybody that we have a very, very good idea who the leakers are, who the senior
leakers are in the white house. if reince wants to explain he's not a leaker, let him do that. i don't know if this is repairable or not, that will be up to the president. >> until we see the real bill, democrats will offer no further amendments. >> the only response they have on health care is more government, is single payer. >> jeff sessions is fired, there will be holy hell to pay. and any effort to go after mueller could be the beginning of the end of the trump presidency. this is not draining the swamp. what he's interjecting is turning democracy upsidedown. >> i wish the president and the attorney general would sit down and work this out. >> one of the great things about this president, you always know where you stand. >> why do we want? >> shock that the commander in chief would turn his back on thousands of patriotic americans who are serving today. >> every year