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also that fire and fury talk reportedly, it was off the cuff. the president's own choice of words. tonight north korea has responded to donald trump. and he may be at his best when he is up against an opponent, % and he may be at his best when he is up against an opponent, but has donald trump messed with the wrong senator? "the 11th hour" on a wednesday night begins now. . good evening once again from our nbc numbers headquarters here in new york. day 202 of the trump administration, wraps up with the president still in new jersey. the response from north korea to the president's fire and fury language of yesterday, and the news today of what's being reported as a pre-dawn raid on the home of paul manafort in alexandria, virginia last month. sources tell nbc news the fbi raid and the subsequent search for tied to his business dealings and financial relationships both in the u.s. and around the world.
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"the washington post" was the first to report the raid writing, quote, federal agents appeared at paul manafort's home without warning, the day after he met voluntarily with the staff for the senate intelligence committee, and continues, the search warrant indicates investigators may have argued to a federal judge they had reason to believe manafort could not be trusted to turn over all records in response to a grand jury subpoena. a spokesman for paul manafort says, quote, fbi agents executed a search warrant at one of mr. manafort's residences and he has consistently cooperated with law enforcement and other serious inquiries and did so on this occasion as well. just a reminder, we also now have a better idea of the sheer amount of evidence the congressional committees have already collected, specifically the senate judiciary committee. the chairman's office says the trump campaign has turned over
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about 20,000 pages worth of documents. manafort himself, 400 pages and donald trump jr. about 250 pages of documents and going back into our archives, as manafort's name was mentioned in stories about the russia investigation more and more often, here's what the white house said about the man who ran the trump campaign as its chairman. >> he was replaced long before the election. you know that, right? he was replaced long before the election. when all of this stuff started coming out. it came out during the election, but paul manafort, who is a good man, also by the way, paul manafort was replaced long before the election took place. he was only there for a short period of time. >> there was discussion of paul manafort who played a limited role for a very limited amount of time. he was hired to oversee the delegates' operation. he was involved with the campaign for a total of just under five months. >> which brings us to our leadoff panel.
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hallie jackson has agreed to stay up with us, paul butler again, and sam stein who is also an msnbc analyst. welcome to you all. granted, he was only with the campaign a short period of time. what's been the reaction today, and tonight to the trump camp to this story of the raid? >> yeah, listen. i think you are seeing, obviously, the outside legal teams handling these russia questions, and that montage you played of donald trump and sean spicer talking about paul manafort is a revisionist history. he did not play a limited role for a period of time. he played a significant role for a good chunk of critical time when donald trump got the republican nomination, and now obviously, you're seeing this latest move -- what we're learning about now that happened based on our sources on july 26th, reported by "the washington post," this raid at his house.
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a significant development here. i'll tell you this. in my conversations with people close to paul manafort over the last month or so, maybe a couple of weeks or so, there is a lot of discussion about cooperating fully. you hear it publicly, and i'll say that as well as privately. to be frank here, there's not much of an option because if he wasn't cooperating fully, there would be even bigger issues with these conversations that are being had now with the congressional investigators because remember, that's operating on a parallel track to the special counsel in the investigation, and the fbi raid as has been reported too. >> and paul butler, something hallie just said leads me to you. i don't know much, but i know this about what we witnessed at manafort's home. number one, federal judges make young federal prosecutors sing for their supper. they want justification. they want hard evidence that they will grant this search warrant for probable cause. the wording in our fourth amendment, and number two, this
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must have happened because someone thought he still isn't giving us all of what we need, even though he had just been in to talk to them. >> so federal agents show up at your house in the dead of night, knock loudly on the door and say, get up and get out. we have a warrant to touch everything in your house. frankly, brian, in drug cases, police do this all the time to low income black and brown people, but in a case like this, a white collar case with a rich, white guy. it's a gangster move by special counsel mueller and it's practical in the sense that he does not trust paul manafort to comply with the subpoena, and good faith and honestly turn over documents. that's why he has to send the feds in, but it's also expressive. it's designed to send a message to everybody from president trump on down. you think this is a witch hunt? let me show you what a serious, aggressive federal investigation looks like.
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>> so sam stein, however the white house tries to play down the role of mr. manafort -- >> yeah. >> this is a big move and an indicator that he is a huge person of interest. >> he was always going to be a person of interest because he was a big player on this campaign, and he had these contacts in the ukraine. there was a question of why he was tapped for the position of campaign chairman. he hadn't done a campaign in the modern era, and he was a relic of the nixon era. from the outside looking in, what they think they can do with manafort is flip him. this he knows what happened on the campaign, that he knows about the trump business empire, that there might be enough there to get him to turn on trump, where other people in the trump orbit aren't as loyal. he was pushed off the campaign, and that isn't always the case. that isn't always the case with trump associates and perhaps they are saying he is the
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easiest target to flip. >> here's a piece of "the washington post" that sam is talking about. manafort's allies fear unrelated to the 2016 campaign in hopes that the former campaign operative would provide information against others in trump's inner circle in exchange for lessening his own legal exposure. that is a lot of words to say what sam just did, and that is they are hoping to flip him. >> i'll just say that i think that it is fair to say that inside some of the inner circle surrounding the president there is speculation about that very issue, and critically, speculation about who the special counsel might be trying to build a case against, if not, solely. let's say paul manafort as "the washington post" is saying and sam is discussing. what might be that fish to flip
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or however the analogy goes? which person you might be looking at that could be closer to president trump, and perhaps the special counsel has their eye on as well. at this point, it is speculation, but that's not stopping as you know, brian, folks in washington, from buzzing about it. >> absolutely, and paul, so often when you are on as a former fed yourself, we ask you to express to our audience in no uncertain terms the awesome power of the federal government, and the almost limitless resources that mr. mueller and his at last count, 16 very able co-counsel have. >> and brian, i don't feel sorry for my of these guys because if these allegations are correct, they have conspired to subvert democracy, and obstruct justice. at the same time, nobody wants to be the subject of your own special investigation by 16 of the best prosecutors in the country, accompanied by many
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amazing fbi agents. paul manafort, they are not only looking at him with regard to collusion, reportedly they are investigating money laundering, failing to file as a foreign agent and fraudulent real estate transaction. hallie is right. i like her expression. fish to flip. if they are starting on the bottom and the campaign chairperson is the bottom, we can only imagine what the top is. >> sam, also another item in "the washington post" story caught your interest about notes that they have been looking for. why is that? >> well, to me, you know, if you are running the campaign, first of all, you take copious notes and you have memos and they circulate all the time. manafort, again, did not come from the most modern political background. he had been an agent, as was mentioned. he had russian contacts. there were real estate deals and these are the transactions that
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have a huge paper trail. those are the notes you look for, but what struck me most because they felt like he might destroy these things. that's where i read into it. they felt like -- >> that has to be an underlying assumption. >> to have to go that quickly, pre-dawn raid would suggest that these people are nervous about evidence not being there when we get there, and they have a suspicion there is evidence. >> hallie jackson, this will continue to come up at the podium, which these days is in northern new jersey. >> right. >> and what will the response continue to be? >> it will be, take it to the outside counsel. >> yep. >> it's what we have heard all along. since john dowd and those folks came on board, you will see potentially a greater presence from ty cobb, who was brought on specifically to deal with these exact questions. he is now on the white house payroll because of all this, and to talk about this kind of thing.
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i imagine he'll take a turn at the podium, and be an increased presence when it comes to i think answering reporters' questions and trying to push sort of the white house point of view, and the white house perspective on this. it's my sense that sarah huckabee sanders is going to try to insulate that part of the communications shop against this. that said, we have been saying this and we know this. this is the thing that annoys the president the most. he hates when people ask questions about it. he hates his staffers getting questions about it. you know, the response might be to the president, too bad because there's going to continue to be these stories coming out for as long as this special counsel investigation continues, which could be months, if not, years. >> by the way on ty cobb from his name to his mustache, who would have to have been a character created for the netflix version of this show had he not already existed in real life. so mr. butler, a final note on the special counsel. he has never been a flashy guy.
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he has always been kind of a quiet, steady operator. he has never been into sending a message really, in his legal career. are you surprised at how audacious and public this is, and think of the neighbors in this small high-rise community in alexandria, virginia. everyone knows what happened that morning. some people saw the black suvs outside. there's that aspect now in manafort's life as well. >> the president has called into question the legitimacy and objectivity of this investigation. no prosecutor likes that, so he wants to let the president know that this is a fair, objective, investigation that will take its time and uncover what's there. and the president of the united states needs to stop talking about witch hunts and that gives the prosecutor more fuel to show there is something there.
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>> sam stein, a last word? >> it was remarkable how this didn't leak. think about how long it took from the raid itself to the actual leaking. that suggests a lot about how mueller is running his tight ship here. >> hallie jackson is on 10:00 a.m. that sound is people wushing to go to bed to be up and be ready. thank you, paul butler and sam stein. thanks to our first panel. time for our first break, and coming up in the escalating verbal war between the u.s. and north korea, the north has sent a rather personal message to donald trump. more on that when "the 11th hour" continues. we're just getting started. ♪
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what the president is doing was sending a strong message to north korea in language that kim jong-un would understand because he doesn't seem to understand diplomatic language. i think americans should sleep well at night, have no concerns about this particular rhetoric of the last few days. >> getting a little more comfortable with being on camera. that was secretary of state rex tillerson today trying to dial down any fears of a north korean nuclear threat. his tone decidedly different from the president who less than 24 hours earlier had threatened fire and fury. the likes of which the world has never seen. we learned from "the new york times" today the president came up with that himself. put another way, the u.s. position in the most volatile region in the world was not formulated by the u.s.
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government, but was ad libbed from a clubhouse in bedminster, new jersey. north korea has responded personally by saying sound dialogue is not possible with such a person bereft of reason, and only absolute force can work on him, and this is from "the new york times." north korea said thursday it was drawing up plans to launch four intermediate range ballistic missiles into waters near guam. lots to talk about, and we have colonel jack jacobs, a recipient of the medal of honor for his combat actions in vietnam. dr. hooper, former asia policy chief for the hillary clinton campaign, a senior fellow at the center for new american security. and bill cohen, former u.s. congressman and senator from the great state of maine who served as secretary of defense under former president bill clinton. so mr. secretary, you outrank all of us here. you get the first question.
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what surprised you about the president's words yesterday, and were you surprised to learn they were unprepared, uncurated and kind of off the top of his head? >> i'm not surprised because that has been the pattern he has followed since taking office and actually before taking office, so it doesn't come as a surprise. what comes as a surprise to me is that these advisers have been unable to make certain he reads off a script when dealing with something as important and volatile and dangerous with nuclear weapons. i mean, we're basically rolling a rhetorical roulette playing that, and i think that greater care has to be taken. the president doesn't really feel the gravity of the responsibility of the office, and it's surprising that with all of the comments made about don't tweet, don't say things off the cuff. don't ad lib.
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he is still ad libbing and one thing that strikes me, if you study, which i kept on my desk, if you have an opponent that's of temperamental character, irritate him. the question is, we have two temperamental characters. is president trump trying to irritate kim jong-un, or vice versa? but in the meantime, we are ratcheting up the rhetoric, and secretary tillerson did a great job of tamping it down, but now we have the north koreans upping the ante. they are calling the president's statement bluster and a bluff, and they are calling it, and the question becomes, is the president going to say, it wasn't a bluff, this is serious? we have yet to see how this is going to play out, but it's pretty dangerous if we continue on this path. >> these things become hard to walk back and hard to de-escalate. jack jacobs, you were on the air during nicolle wallace's 4:00
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p.m. hour. we're about to see you in a clip. matt dowd was on talking about the president's historical limitations and how it colors what he says and doesn't say. we'll play that clip. one of the quotes of the day on this network, and we'll talk to the colonel right after this. >> he has no concept of history. today is the anniversary of dropping the bomb on nagasaki. when he announced that transgender people would not be in the military, it was on the anniversary of desegregating the military. >> right. >> he has no concept of what he says and how it relates to history. >> if those are indeed the president's limitations, were you surprised to learn that general kelly, alongside him, chief of staff was surprised to hear those words on north korea? >> not at all. i think general kelly has the mission of trying to corral him, but he knows he can't. he is trying the best with the people around the president, but at the end of the day, there's
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no way you can tell this guy how to act and what to do. he is going to do whatever he wants whenever he wants and that's what he has done his whole life. he has been successful more or less doing it that way, and he is not going to stop despite the fact that everybody tells him, you're in a different position now. you have to comport yourself differently. >> nicole asked you, do you think general mattis would disobey a direct order from the president if he felt he had to? you answered yes without hesitation. >> i think so. there's a relatively small number of people who are the adult supervision there. when you are at a lower rank, you have a responsibility to make sure you don't do anything immoral or illegal. when you get to be at the top of the food chain, you're not only responsible for making sure we don't do anything immoral or illegal, but you are responsible for making sure we don't do anything stupid, and i think general mattis and some others are in a position to say no,
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whether they think it's a lawful order or not, they won't do it. >> i'm sure the people on guam, 168,000 people, american citizens all, u.s. territory, are as surprised that they are in the news as we are to be talking about them. what's the significance of north korea using this specific number saying they are going to fire four missiles into the water around guam? what's that for? >> so that's actually a great question, brian, because in this supposed plan that the north koreans have put forward, they are trying to demonstrate they can call president trump's bluff. as you mentioned, he used this fire and fury language suggesting that the next time the north koreans even threatened the united states, we would take devastating action against them. and when he set up that threat, he gave himself two very unpleasant pathways. on the one hand, there's the chance that the north koreans would call his bluff and show
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this is an empty threat, and on the other hand, he would follow through, and use a devastating amount of force on the korean peninsula. what the north koreans have done is suggest they may in a coercive demonstration of force, launch four missiles that will overfly japan. if they do that, the united states and its japanese ally will face the prospect of whether or not they should shoot them down using the missile defenses there. if they miss, that's a devastating blow to our credibility, and that could ratchet up the situation further, and that shows if you try to out-north korea north korea, you will get burned. >> they will test our anti-missile reaction. secretary cohen, starting with south korea and japan, what must our allies be thinking? >> the allies have to be thinking about beefing up their
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defense capability. the thaad anti-missile system had been put on hold by the new president of south korea. he wanted to look at the environmental impact of this particular weapons capability. and i would say go forward now, put it into operational effect. i would recommend that japan have a similar type of system, and that will get the attention of not only the north koreans, but specifically china and russia. our allies have to join with us, in posing even more severe sanctions that have been recommended by and endorsed by the security council. we have to go after our allies and friends who are trading with the north koreans and saying, you can slow this down or stop it altogether because you're helping an adversary continue to build a missile capability threatening us and you, and we can't accept that. we'll ask you to cooperate with us or pay an economic penalty here.
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the more we can squeeze kim jong-un economically, he won't be able to have as much to devote to his missiles. he'll have to devote some of it to the butter that his allies have been supplying. we have a strong deterrent, and secretary mattis had it just right. saying you're going down a dangerous path. if you take action, not threats, but if you take action, then we are going to respond in a way that your regime will not survive. that was the comment that president trump should have given rather than the rhetoric he used. >> all day long, i have heard analysis of some version of the quote, all roads lead to beijing. do you concur with that? >> many of the roads lead to beijing in the sense that china continues to support up to 90% of the north korean economy. when it comes to the question of how one could put the pressure
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on north korea, there's no question that china is part of that picture, and as secretary cohen was just suggesting, the possible of using secondary sanctions against chinese banks and companies that support north korean missile activities is a component to any strategy. that said, i think this administration has put far too much stake in the ability of china to solve this problem for the united states. china is not going to replace its own national interest on the korean peninsula with u.s. national interest, and it's proven time and time again, they are not willing to go the distance, and we should not expect them to be first out there. >> what's the thing we should know about the korean military? our friend, barry mccaffrey, calls it a criminal enterprise. they have been in business for 75 years. they know the confines of their country and are often called a million-man army. what should people know? >> that, in fact, they are vulnerable.
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everybody talks about there being lots of artillery tubes and rockets within range of seoul. we know where they are. they move around a little bit, but we know where all of them are, and in the space of if we have to, in the space of 48 to 72 hours, most of it will be rendered rubble. >> their launch time into seoul is 45 seconds. >> yes, and if push comes to shove and we have to retaliate, and we're not going to do a pre-strike, but if we have to retaliate, we have to accept the notion that a significant number of people in south korea will be killed in our attempt to eliminate the north koreans. a bigger problem we were talking about earlier, at the very, very beginning is the enormous number of american civilians, dependents who are on the korean peninsula. >> absolutely. >> the 7th fleet isn't there for nothing. it's to get them out if we need to. but getting out a large number
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of american dependants is a big chore if it comes to that. >> i heard someone say tonight, that's when we know this is heating up when the order goes out to get americans and dependents out of that region. secretary cohen, jack jacobs, thank you for being with us. a robust discussion tonight on a real pressing issue to talk about on a wednesday evening. coming up, two republicans, the two most powerful republicans in washington continue to trade shots. the rift between the president and the majority leader and his own party when "the 11th hour" continues.
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our new president, of course, i have been in this line of work before. and i think had excessive expectations about how quickly things happen in the democratic process. >> that was actually as candid as we have seen that man in a long time. senate majority leader, mitch mcconnell back home in kentucky this week. mcconnell's relatively harmless criticism of the president. trump's unrealistic expectations. his being new to political life, not so harmlessly received. today the president took to twitter and writing a response, senator mitch mcconnell said i have excessive expectations, but i don't think so. after seven years of hearing repeal and replace, why not done? earlier, sean hannity at fox
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news said this on twitter. senator, you are a weak, spineless leader who does not keep his word, and you need to retire. that was followed by the white house social media director and assistant to the president who also called out mcconnell, senate majority leader must have needed another four years in addition to the seven years to repeal and replace obamacare. we can't say this enough. this normally doesn't happen in american politics. it's also important to remember here, nothing moves through the u.s. senate without mitch mcconnell, and mcconnell's wife as luck to would have it, elaine chow is in the trump cabinet as your secretary of transportation. that sets the table. let's talk about this. that's sam stein who you can hear laughing. he is back with us at the panel. kelsey snell joins us from capitol hill who covers congress for "the washington post."
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i don't know how to come at this. this is uncharted territory, and that's a phrase we have used for the last three nights at least. sean hannity and the folks at fox seldom say anything on a whim or by accident, so that really got my attention calling on the majority leader of the u.s. senate, same party as the president, to resign. >> yeah. that was absolutely shocking. i think the thing to remember here though, is that mcconnell never promised that this was going to be easy or that this was going to be fast. that was trump who promised that, and mcconnell from the jump was telling people that this was going to take time, and he -- when he had that big press conference with speaker ryan back in january, when they were kicking off the whole year, they kept talking about how they needed to get through, you know, approving these nominees. they had to approve a supreme court justice, and there were things he wanted to do, and he
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had to set measured expectations and trump didn't listen. the white house didn't listen. it was kind of -- there were signs throughout the entire process that mcconnell needed more time and he needed to work with his members and let the senate be the senate. the slow senate, the kind of -- the little break that is on the entire process, and trump didn't want to have that happen. >> sam, david letterman had a segment he called, is this a thing? and that's my question for you. is this really a thing that there is going to be a movement to displace the senate majority leader? >> i don't think so, but like you said, we have lived through 203 days of norms being broken, so who knows? usually -- i remember covering the 2009, 2010 obamacare fight, and i will say this, harry reed's office did not like each other, but it was always anonymous and it was all of a
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sudden at the aide level, and the principals don't do this, and come out and say things like trump is saying to mcconnell, but it has been brewing. it's not just health care. expectations are there, and the russian sanctions bill. trump did not want it. senate just passed it, gave it to him. you can increasingly see for jeff flake writing a book, admonishing not just trump, but leadership for not standing up to trump, and fissures are breaking and they are threatening to erupt in public view. >> kelsey, i need not remind you because it's your beat. when they come back, they will need a budget. they will need a debt ceiling. say nothing of if we want to see infrastructure and tax policy or another run at health care. i'm duty-bound to ask you, if not mcconnell, then who? is it cornyn perhaps, and why stop there? is ryan's job safe as house speaker? >> you know, i actually think that ryan is more susceptible to this pressure from trump than mcconnell is. ryan has a really, really
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fractured group of republicans. we have seen the freedom caucus go after him. you have people who are rumbling and grumbling about the vote they had to take on health care only to see it fall apart in the senate, and it's really hard to -- to state exactly how much mcconnell is liked. yes, flake did take him to task in the book, and yes, there are few senators who question, you know, his approach, but he is so popular. i spoke with senators on their way out of town last week, and to a person, they spoke with great respect for mcconnell, and they may grumble and have internal family fights, but mcconnell is popular, and it's up to his fellow republicans whether or not he gets to keep that job, and as long as they like him, it doesn't matter what the president says. >> kelsey makes a good point. whose legacy has been hurt more with health care? trump or mcconnell? >> that's a really good question. i don't know. if you talk to people in the republican party, the voters,
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they are more prone to blame the senate for this than they are the president, in part, because the senate and mcconnell has been promising this for years, knowing full well this would be a tough task and trump, he is knew to this game. he did overpromise in this case. i think mcconnell will be okay eventually. he'll go down as a great tactician, and he was one vote away. remember. all his members were saying they hated this bill. they thought it was gross and toxic, and they were praying the house wouldn't pass it and he got 49 votes. that's an incredible feat. even though he came up short. >> thank you so much for your time tonight. sam has a 7-month-old at home, so he should be getting combat pay for working the night shift. >> i should. >> kelsey, you're young. you can do this. coming up, reaction to the news of the raid on the home of paul manafort when "the 11th hour" continues. ...positively radiant® 60 second in shower facial.
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this kind of pre-dawn raid, a search and seizure without any advanced notice is typical of the most serious criminal investigations. especially dealing with a target or witness who is uncooperative or untrusted. >> richard blumenthal, democrat of the state of connecticut, and importantly, member of the judiciary committee on how he is taking today's news about the fbi raid at the trump campaign chairman's home. with us now to talk about all of this, zeke miller, white house correspondent for "time" magazine, and another correspondent for us. welcome to you both. zeke, if we tried to teach a civics broadcast class at all, it is often the role and power of the feds. especially federal judges in american society. this raid means that someone convinced a federal judge, even
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though this particular man had been under investigation for some time, and had just been in to talk to the feds the day before. they convinced a federal judge that probable cause existed under the fourth amendment to enter his home. one of his homes. another is said to be at trump tower here in new york. how big a deal is this to you? >> yeah. certainly the fact that a federal judge signed off on there being probable cause is a troubling occasion for mr. manafort, and everyone associated with him. this is not just about the president's former top aides' legal jeopardy. it's also potential for robert mueller to try to get him to turn on anything else he knows about other instances of wrongdoing around the president. mueller's investigation extends not just to the president but a number of senior aides around the president and the conduct of
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the campaign going back to business dealings, and anything that manafort knows. if they have something on him, which they have probable cause for, that should be troubling to anyone who might have something that paul manafort might know about. >> anita, another phrase courtroom lawyers love, is state of mind, and we looked into the president's state of mind. at least that we were able to read off twitter on the day of the raid at the manafort home, he called out the attorney general, jeff sessions. he announced his not yet enforced or explained transgender military ban. he touted the size of his ohio rally crowd and he slammed senator lisa murkowski, so just another day at the office for the president. anything you can glean there that he knew contemporaneously such a big thing had gone down? >> clearly, it's interesting i think sam mentioned earlier how long this had gone on we didn't know about. clearly he would have heard
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about it at some point, and this is exactly what he didn't want to happen. he said all along, he didn't want the investigation, and he wanted it to stick with the russia meddling in the election, and not get into his family or finances or taxes or any of that thing, and this indicates this is what's happening. it's exactly the thing he talked about. honestly, it's remarkable we didn't hear from him today on twitter about the news that broke. >> he must be being begged to exert discretion. zeke, does this feel a little more like a dark layer over washington? again, mueller is not a show boat. he is not usually into the public sending of messages. this is, i think, most people familiar with his legal career would agree this is uncharacteristic. >> yeah. i think it certainly was a warning sign and shot across the bow from the special counsel
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that said, you know, we're sort of in unprecedented times here in terms of the nature of this special counsel investigation, and the nature of the president's criticism of the special counsel. this could be causing him to change his tactics and take a more visible role here, or we're not all party to those discussions between the federal, you know, the feds, the fbi, the special counsel, mr. manafort and his lawyers. if there was concern about how forthright he was going to be, it could have been simple, or it could have been a public show to everybody in washington just how serious robert mueller is. >> everybody pause. we're going to take a break. we'll come back, continue the conversation. specifically what we hear going on inside, at least in this case, the traveling white house in bedminster, new jersey. that and more when we come right back.
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welcome back to our broadcast. the new white house chief of staff, john kelly is getting a lot of attention for implementing a new military like discipline in the trump administration. but the far right wing, the alt-right, the nationalist, call it whatever you will, that wing of the republican party still has its sights get on the national security adviser general h.r. mcmaster. he's been cover eed relentlessl in breitbart. they've recently written about calls for his termination. they've tied him to democratic mega donor george soros. they've called him deeply hostile to israel and president trump. zeke and azeet anita remain wit. anita, what's the history of this? what is their problem with h.r. mcmaster? why him? >> he's just more of an establishment figure.
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you mentioned steve bannon. bannon's the other side of that coin. the two of them reportedly disagree on a lot of just policy issues. afghanistan, israel, the iran nuclear deal. so there's that disagreement. this is obviously breitbart, very influential in this white house. this is a way to try to push the president to get rid of him. the president doesn't like to be pushed, and you've seen he's come out and supported him in a statement about a week ago where he said we work well together. he is pro-israel, and we get along fine. >> earlier today again on nicole wallace's show, matt dowd talked about the five people who are protecting the country, in his view, it's haley, tillerson, mattis, mcmaster, and kelly. that last name, kelly, the subject of this segment, are you surprised with all the ballyhoo
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about the systems he was going to enact, the controls that the statement comes out of the president's mouth on north korea yesterday, kelly is as surprised as anyone else, are you surprised there wasn't work that goes into something like that? >> certainly there's going to be some growing pains when it comes to something like that. but there were conversations about it, and general kelly's been clear talking to people inside and outside the white house to everyone, that he doesn't want to be there to manage the president, he wants to manage the president's inputs. what he sees, how he sees it. who's in the room when those decisions are made. ultimately the president was elected by the american people, and general kelly feels it's not his role or that he has the capacity to change donald trump. we've seen that time and again. nobody is changing donald trump. he goes into that eyes wide open. he feels if he can control the inputs, he can have some sort of impact on the outputs.
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the phrase we're going to hear in the next few months is you don't hear ideas that don't end up on twitter. that's sort of what general kelly is going to be bragging about. >> zeke, anita, thank you both very much. interesting segment tonight. there's more than enough to talk about next time. it'll be days from now, who knows what will happen in the interim. coming up, why one particular aircraft in the skies over d.c. today raised a lot of eyebrows and a lot of eyes skyward. more on that when "the 11th hour" continues.
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last thing before we go here tonight is about a very strange event that took place in the skies over the east coast today. it dates back to something called the treaty on open skies. the u.s. and russia and 32 other nations agreed that we can fly unarmed observation flights over each other's countries to promote transparency. so that is how it was that a russia air force aircraft flew a route today over the pentagon, camp david, andrew's air force base, the capital, and the president's bedminster, new
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jersey golf resort. all of it earlier today. if it sounds like trolling by air, remember, we do the same thing over russia. and what's really bizarre is there must be u.s. airmen on board the russian plane while it's flying over our normally protected u.s. air space, and high value u.s. targets. our friend zeke miller who was just on the last segment supplied the route to us. he reports the aircraft flew as low as 3,500 feet at times during its flight. so we're hoping everybody along the u.s. eastern seaboard today was looking their best and remembered to smile and wave as the russians flew overhead. that is our broadcast for tonight. thank you for being with us. good night from nbc news headquarters here in new york.
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tonight on "all in," the fbi raids the home of the man who ran donald trump's campaign. >> we have great people. paul manafort. he's done an amazing job. >> what it means for an investigation more advanced than anyone knew. and what it means for the president of the united states. >> so to be clear, mr. trump has no financial relationships with any russian oligarchs? >> that's what he said. that's what i said. that's obviously what our position is. >> then the white house confirmed, the president is improvising his north korea threats. >> we were a super power. we are now a hyper power. >> and the growing back lash to the president's plan for opioid abuse. >> the best way to prevent drug addiction is that overdose is to prevent people from abusing drugs in the first place. >> when all in starts.


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