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tonight on "all in," the fbi raids the home of the man who ran donald trump's campaign. >> we have great people. paul manafort. he's done an amazing job. >> what it means for an investigation more advanced than anyone knew. and what it means for the president of the united states. >> so to be clear, mr. trump has no financial relationships with any russian oligarchs? >> that's what he said. that's what i said. that's obviously what our position is. >> then the white house confirmed, the president is improvising his north korea threats. >> we were a super power. we are now a hyper power. >> and the growing back lash to the president's plan for opioid abuse. >> the best way to prevent drug addiction is that overdose is to prevent people from abusing drugs in the first place. >> when all in starts.
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>> a dramatic new chapter in the russia investigation. news of a pre dawn fbi raid at the northern virginia home of president trump's former campaign chairman, paul manafort. sources tell nbc news, the search is tied to the intense investigation into business dealings and fbi relationships, both in the u.s. and abroad. after the "washington post" broke the news, the manafort spokesperson said, quote, fbi agents executed a search warrant at one of mr. manafort's residences. mr. manafort has consistently cooperated with law enforcement and other serious inquiries and did so on this occasion as well. >> a source familiar with it satisfies dozen armed fbi agents woke manafort up by knocking on his bedroom door. manafort's friend and former logging partner gave his version
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of events today. >> thugs authorized by robert mueller took down front door of manafort's home, proceeded to the bedroom, to the marital bedroom seeking documents they had never requested. >> the granting of the search warrant is a big development. it is a sign that investigators do not trust that manafort fully responded to the subpoenas. they had to commit that there was probable dus believe a serious crime had been committed and a search would likely turn up evidence related to that alleged crime. the fbi search took place on july 26th. one day after manafort met with the staffers at the senate intelligence committee investigating the russia matter. notably, in the hours after the fbi raided manafort's home, president trump unleashed a misleading attack on the then acting director of the fbi,
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andrew mccabe. why didn't a.g. sessions replace andrew mccabe? a comey friend in charge of the clinton investigation but got big dollars, $700,000, for his wife's political run from hillary clinton and her representatives. >> manafort spent six months last year on trump's campaign and ran it from june through august of 2016. >> paul manafort has done an amazing job. paul manafort. oh, good. we've made it. he doesn't have to do this. he didn't need to do this. he saw something and he called me. he said thing something special. >> sources say he investigators are looking at ties tied to manafort's activities in ukraine, cyprus and other parts of the world and they have plenty of news to explore. in june, manafort retroactively registered as foreign agent saying that his consulting
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received more than $17 million in secret payments from a kremlin linked political party in ukraine. manafort has been accused of possible money laundering, both in the tax haven of crime russ and here in the united states where his all cash real estate deals have raised flags among experts. manafort was also present with jared kushner at that june 2016 meeting with a russian lawyer who promised dirt on hillary clinton direct from the russian government. manafort denies all wrongdoing. last july when he was trump's campaign cheryl, he was pressed on whether then candidate trump had ties to russian oligarchs and whether trump would release his tax records. >> he said he will not be releasing they willist has nothing to do with russia. it has nothing to do with any country other than the united states and his normal tax
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auditing process. >> so he had no financial relationships with any russian oligarchs. >> that's what i said. that's what our position is. >> this strikes me as someone who follows story closely, as an enormous deal. is that how you understand it? >> it is significant escalation and a sign of seriousness on the part of robert mueller and his team of investigators to request and then get a search warrant. and then to execute it is quite a striking development. we don't whangt means but it is clearly an escalation.
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a sign that mueller is moving in a deliberate and now a pretty quick fashion. and it is not good news for paul manafort. and i can tell that you it has unnerved others in the trump world as well. >> what do you mean? >> folks we talked to at the white house, my colleague phil ruck here covers the white house for us, has reported that people are feeling a chilling effect. fong an investigation which was pooh pooh'd, it will turn out there's nothing to these russia charges. that it has proceeded to the point that the special counsel is asking a judge to issue a search warrant and they are issued based on probable cause of criminal wrongdoing. so this is a sign of seriousness and it is both surprising in some ways.
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>> you can't give me the sources at the back ground of your reporting but it is remarkable to me that this did not get out. 12 fbi agents showing up in alexandria in the middle of the night, people will notice it. it is pretty striking that we didn't hear about it for two weeks. >> it's a tribute to the way in which bob mueller and his team and others kept it quiet. we had been hearing about it for a few days and finally got confirmation from three separate sources and learned just this morning how dramatic this raise was, hearing about it in the pre dawn hours. surprising they will at home. >> so how did they find bout a dozen fbi agents in their house?
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>> i heard you play a clip earlier. i got it from paul manafort saying they broke down door and surprised paul manafort and his bedroom. cannot confirm that. what we can confirm for those familiar with the situation is that manafort was surprised that this raid occurred in the early morning, and that it included numerous fbi agents who were wearing flak jackets. i gather that's customary in these sorts of raids but it was very surprising. i can tell you one of my colleagues at the "washington post" found no evidence did it involve multiple fbi agents and it was stunning to paul manafort, his wife, and his team. >> all right. thank you for your time.
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>> joining me now, msnbc justice and security analyst, the former chief spokesperson at the department of justice under president obama. >> how significant is this? as someone moo is a former federal prosecutor? >> it indicates that mueller and his agents believe that there's probable cause to believe a crime had been sxlitd that evidence was in paul manafort's hole. they had to go to a judge, a federal judge and get judge's approval of that warrant. which means judge agreed with the same conclusion. so it is very surprising. this is the third time you had a federal judge indicate that he believed there was good reason to believe a crime had occurred. and that evidence of it was in paul manafort's home. >> you said on twitter a little while ago that this was evidence of how quickly it is going. you said that he may already
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have the president's. at a, the president's tax returns. >> anyone who knows bob mueller knows that he is not a guy who let the grass grow under his feet. he has two grand juries. he has executed this dramatic raid on paul manafort's house, rather than issuing a subpoena. i think what we have to assume from mueller is that he is pursuing this investigation as quickly as he can, as aggressively as he can, through every channel that he can. one of those channels would be getting the president's tax returns. you think about going to a judge to show probable cause that there is evidence of a crime to execute the search warrant. that's a higher standard than he would get to obtain the president's tax returns. you have to show the judge. >> take me through the reasoning, if you had someone who is a target investigation, or someone involved in an investigation, target is a
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slightly technical term. someone you're talking to as a federal prosecutor, you want documents from they will. they have fancy lawyers saying we are cooperating. what is the triger to go from that to 12 armed agents in flak jackets at their residents in the middle of the night? >> that's an excellent question. the usual course of sacks to use a subpoena. to send a subpoena to the lawyers. they're going to spend the hours weeding through documents, collectsing them all, putting they will all in an organized way. putting them in a file that i can read or search. to go send agents in to conduct a search warrant and seize documents is a pretty aggressive step. what i means, what it suggests to me, is that bob mueller and his team believed they would not
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have received the same information if they had requested it via subpoena. so that meebls they're either concerned about documents being destroyed or altered. they're concerns they will not get the same information. >> it also strikes me that flynn and always been at the forefront of this. and they're ones in the most legal peril. how do you think this affects their calculations of their decisions terms of how cooperative to be? >> yeah. they're in a little dilemma. they are each in the sail situation. they have three possible strategies. one to continue to protest their innocence and fight getting indicted. two is to cooperate. there's usual lay golden ticket for the first to cooperate so i think they'll be eyeing each other. wondering who will get best chance for reduced sentence or no jail time.
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the third is to drag your heels and hope you get a pardon from the white house. that's a lot to ask from the white house. it might be the safest way out for both of them. >> this may be a naive question. indulge it. if someone was involved in criminal conspiracy that appears to be what is being investigated here, would they just keep incriminating documents in their house? it seems unlikely, if you were doing the thing you may be accused of doing, you would have incriminating documents around your house. >> they had to show the judge, not only was there a crime committed, they had to show the judge and convince the judge that there would be things in that mouse would constitute evidence of a crime. so they convinced the judge of that.
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and some people asked me on twitter today, there was a lot of discussion about, wouldn't somebody already destroy everything? and i'll tell you, i'm sure paul manafort has good lawyers. i would say, don't destroy anything that would be evidence of your guilt is that leaves finger prints behind and has duplicates. there's no question that bob mueller and his team have some evidence to suggest that he was keeping stuff at home. >> in showing the judge, it isn't just that a crime was committed but probable cause that there are things in the house that they are serving the search warrant on that would be evidence of said crime. >> and specific things. so financial documents, they specify they will in the warrants. who does that, right? i don't keep in my house all sorts of complex financial records. i doubt most people do.
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so they had to believe he was bringing that home for some reason. >> thank you both. >> coming up, the ties that bind the current president to the man whose home was just raided to the fbi. why the big news could have massive implications for donald trump in two minutes. these days families want to be connected 24/7.
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>> you have some controversial clients in your past. has mr. trump asked to you stop working for certain clients? stop working in the ukraine? >> it was to help ukraine get into upper. >> it began during that spring in 2016. in may of that year, he was promoted to campaign manager. on june 9th, in that capacity, he attended the now infamous meeting with donald trump jr., jared kushner and a russian lawyer. a russian lawyer who had promised dirt on hillary clinton. the trump campaign took a very light touch on platform meetings. intervened specifically to change the gop stance on arming ukrainians.
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in an interview, manafort denied having any part of that. >> i didn't even hear of it until after the convention was order. >> where did it come from then? >> it did not come from the trump campaign. i don't know who everybody is but i guarantee you -- >> nobody from the trump campaign wanted that change in the platform? >> no one. zero. >> in july, wikileaks began releasing thousands of dnc e-mails. and clinton campaign manager robby can mook -- >> are there any ties between he mr. trump, your campaign and putin and his regime? >> no. there are not. that's absurd. no basis to it. >> keep in mind, that was after the meeting that we had russians who said they would give him russian government information on hillary clinton. on august 2014, a secret ledger revealed $12.7 million in
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undisclosed cash payments designated for mr. manafort from ukraine president victor pro russian political party. how long is the relationship between manafort and donald trump? >> the relationship goes back decades. because manafort has long property at trump tower in new york. they have associated different republican circles over the years. but it really came through roger shown in the long time comfort dante who connected manafort to trump during the campaign. >> and just to be clear, he was central to that campaign. he was not an ancillary figure when he was head of the delgado strategy. >> correct. you just said it.
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he was campaign manager, he was cheryl, head of delegate strategy and as someone reported day to day on the campaign, he was for a time the imagine at the top of the whole operation. >> of all the players, the one whose financial ties to russia and russian friendly operations in ukraine seemed the clearest. they're pretty extensive. >> yeah. paul manafort worked roughly a decade working for this pro russia ukraine. was as previous reports have shown, manafort is indebted to pro russian interests. there was a report that said he owed as much as $17 million to pro russian interests. so this is someone with very explicit ties to pro russian entities that of course would be of interest to robert mueller as he investigates. and manafort is not just central to the campaign but as soon as
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he came on, that's when all the russia shenanigans started to really play out. so we had the dnc was sxhakd the e-mails were released by wikileaks in june. we had the change of the gop platform which softens the stance on ukraine and i would push back saying the trump campaign had nothing to do with it. multiple people who were in the roomed. he played a very direct rule. the trump campaign did at the time which he was managing. so these are all connections that mueller will be looking at. >> the reason manafort left the campaign at all was stories related to this. that the story about the secret payments from the ukrainian political party, that was the reason that he left. >> it was one of the things that pushed him over the edge. the family, the trump family, i remember at the time was telling me and other reporters that they were becoming concerned about all the mounting new stories.
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and then candidate trump was slipping in the polls. he was brought on to stowedy the campaign. a campaign that was falling apart. the recognition started to sink in that this was a foreign lobbyist, a long time foreign lobbyist now running the campaign. the consequences weren't really thought out by the people around donald trump at the time and it wasn't until august that they finally had a reckoning. >> there's another aspect to manafort, these stories about transaction that's he has made. real estate transactions in particular. that for people who study money laundering, at least look a little strange. in 2006, manafort's purchase of a trump tower apartment for all cash co-insided with his friend's signing of a $10 million contract with a pro putin russian oligarch. >> and this is what the fbi was looking for. violations of the bank secrecy act, detecting money laundering
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in the u.s. paul manafort is known for buying real estate with shell companies. and many of those companies have been connected back to russian oligarchs. so a big part of this will be trying to figure out where his funds come from and if he was rerouting it. for the that you recall of hiding the sources of the cash. >> robert, we've swaenl the president that even when people are fired or removed from their official position with him, or quit, he remains in contact. was that true of paul manafort? i saw that they were in touch even after he left the campaign. >> there was a time where the bridge was burned, so to speak. and they were not in contact. you're right. there were sporadic reports that manafort was in occasional touch with then candidate trump. with people within the campaign.
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that they publicly kept their distance from him and there was some talk even in the transition, could paul manafort have a role of some sort. but because of the allegations, it never came to be. >> as someone who follows this really closely, were you surprised by the news today? >> no. absolutely not. i think that paul manafort along with michael flynn have been at the center of mueller's investigation. not only because they are arguably the most vulnerable players in all of this, given their financial ties and their past contact with russians, but also because they have, they've had contact with russians in the past. paul manafort was at that meeting in trump tower with jared kushner and donald trump jr. he was the most high ranking official in the campaign. so all of these, paul manafort and michael flynn are going to be extremely central to all this.
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and they're going to tlench criminal charges being brought against they will. >> and real quick, it is so important in our reporting. we're watching mueller, the special counsel, hire prosecutors, raid the home for financial documents. this is about possible financial crimes. >> thank you both. >> thank you. as the world grapples with how to handle the president's rhetoric, can -- forhas adapted to my weightic
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as the world triss to figure out what to make of the latest threats from north korea, we're learning how people he regard the commander in chief. here's a pretty grim that i can interest of the president's reputation abroad. some diplomats have taken to mocking the president for what they perceive to be intellectual short comings. one group played a version of word bingo whenever the president speaks because they consider his vocabulary to be so limited. everything is great. very, very great. amazing. others question his knowledge of world affairs. he has no historical view. he seems to think the world started when he took office. and he seems to be unraveling what happened with his predecessor. he won't even want to listen to
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the arguments or have a debate. he is obsessed with obama. and even before the latest tensions with noug, one grat expressed grave concerns. trump could sends a tweet in the middle of the night and the next morning we wake up to a world on the brink of war. the real danger is a president reacting off the cuff. right after this break.
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north korea from best not make any more threats to the united states. they will be met with fire and fury like the world has never seen. >> lots of reporting today has confirmed the impression that many people watching those comments yesterday, the president wasn't delivering a carefully vetted statement, he was improvising. the he is escalating talk surpri some of his aides. in a statement today, the white house secretary insisted kelly had been in the loop with the security council. general kelly and others were well aware of the tone of the statement of the president prior to delivery. the words were his own. some suggest the comments reveal the president's real thinking about the nuclear impasse.
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it was a sent that trump has shared privately with staffers. some say he has used planning reflected fire and fury bluster in sporadic fits of venting about a north korean regime that his administration has sought unsuccessfully so far, to rein in through diplomatic channels. hopefully we will never have to use this power but there will never be a time that we are not the most powerful nation in the world. in fact, the first tweet is not accurate. there's a plan underway to overhaul the nuclear arsenal. it is expected to take three decades to complete and it was put in place by president obama. >> and the two on the golf course noting they played a full 18 hose.
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i am joined by ambassador wendy sherman, a top official under president obama. how surprised are you to their president was improvising? >> i'm not surprised. i think we have a serious problem around the world with the president's credibility. we know that the measure and respect for the president of the united states has plummeted around the world. the only two countries where there's been an increase in regard are russia and israel. this is not a good place for the united states of america, and i think it leads to concern about what the president's actions might be to follow those words. words are concerning. actions are even more concerning are you concerned the president will order a nuclear strike of north korea? >> i don't think that will happen at this moment, i am happy to say for the american public.
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>> good. keep going. >> let's take a look at what the president said and what secretary mattis said. secretary mattis' comments were very tough but they were all focused on what kim jong-un's actions are. that his actions will control what happens to the future of him, his regime and his people. >> i want to read this statement. saying they must stop isolating itself and stand down in its pursuit of nuclear weapons. >> you can see. in, i'm sure, that secretary sat with his aides and very carefully went over each of those words. wasn't a statement of threat. that was quite tough, maybe tougher than some would wish for. it was ball what kim jong-un was doing and what he could do to have a future for his people.
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i'm concerned that there is not a cohesive policy in this administration. and you spoke about kelly bringing discipline to the white house. the real problem is he doesn't seem to bring any discipline to the president of the united states. >> i want to play for you the secretary of state tillerson who has, this is what he had to say on north korea. take a listen. >> i think americans should sleep well at night. i have no concerns about this particular rhetoric over the last few days. i think the president as commander in chief, i think he felt it necessary on issue a very strong statement. directly to north korea. >> what do you make of that? >> well, i think secretary tillerson is in a very tough place.
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he has put himself there. both and he nikki haley really did achieve something significant in the vote the other day for a resolution to put some very tough sanctions in place. it is amazing that the president of the united states didn't pick up on that victory, so to speak, and move forward in the diplomacy. instead, he blew up the diploma and what they were trying to do. and it undermined the secretary of state who already, as you point out, is under a lot of controversy. the state department is completely demoralized. the most significant positions there have not been filled. secretary tillerson said he wants to wait until he achieves some reorganization. meanwhile we don't have an ambassador in seoul, south korea. we don't have an assistant
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secretary for east asia pacific. we don't have many ambassadors around the world. there's no team. coming tim return of just say no. the president ignores his own commission's recommendations to stem the ongoing opioid crisis. and was donald trump watching our show last night?
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thing one, a strange endorsement. president trump chose to endorse a candidate in next week's race in alabama. a race between three republicans, at least two of which believe trump was sent to washington by god. in a 9:16 p.m. tweet last night, he authored luther strange my complete and total endorsement. it is a significant blow to the other two candidates.
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having been told in recent weeks, the white house would remain on the sidelines. one senior gop official saying my jaw did drop. so why, all of a sudden, did president trump decide to make a late night surprise endorsement on twitter? we have a theory based on what was on tv minutes before that tweet and that's thing two in 60 seconds.
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president's cable news consumption has been well documented. for instance on monday morning, senator richard blumenthal talked about the mueller investigation and eight minutes after that segment ended, the president began a storming attack on blumenthal. last night this was what was on at 8:00 p.m. someone talking about climate change is that a selling omt this show about the alabama senate primary. and just 16 minutes after this show's segment, the president
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tweeted out of nowhere his surprise endorsement in that primary for the current senate senator luther strange. we don't fool ourselves to think president is a regular viewer of "all in." but this program it was only cable channel that covered the alabama election at all yesterday, including the minutes leading up to the president's tweet so it's possible he saw this moment of discussion of the other two candidates. >> roy moore and mo brooks have a fascinating background, both are conservative christians and both during campaign were really uncomfortable with being closely associated with donald trump. mo brooks called trump a serial adulterer. i can guarantee you, we will work up a sweat during the day. not at night. only tempur-breezeĀ® mattresses use an integrated system of technologies to keep you cool while you sleep.
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i can guarantee you, we will not only stop the drugs from pouring in but we will help all of those people so seriously addicted.
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we'll get them stance. we'll make sure that they have the top treatment and get better. we have to get better. we have a lot of people strung out on bad stuff. >> during the campaign, donald trump like just about every candidate, discussed the opioid abuse. he appointed new jersey governor chris christie, an outspoken advocate of treatment torsion lead it. but we've since learned what the president really thinks. last week, the "washington post" translated the call with the leader of mexico saying i won new hampshire because new hampshire is a drug infested den. by the way, hillary clinton won happen hal. the head of the white house opioid commission wasn't there. chris christie is out of the country having left the country for his own ten-day vacation in italy. and asking anyone from chuck
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rosenberg on down, someone who did manage to attend is first lady melania trump. president trump offered a very different plan. >> the best way to prevent drug addiction and overdose is to prevent people from abusing drugs in the first place. if they don't start, they won't have a problem. if they do start, it is awfully tough to get off. so we can keep them from going on and may be by talking to youth, telling them, no bad for way. if they don't start, it will never be a problem. >> the reaction to that from west virginia, a state where someone died there an overdose every ten hours last year, next.
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no one in washington was talking about opioids until candidates had to go start doing town halls. what happened in the campaign is they started showing up in new hampshire, and all they wanted to talk about was opioids. how many people have lost someone in this room? whoa. >> we were in west virginia earlier this year.
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everyone we spoke to had been affected by the opioid crisis. instead of the resources for treatment and rehabilitation, they promised donald trump has offered basically not much. joining me, bob kincaid, host of head-on with bob kincaid. i guess, first the reaction to the president's opioid briefing yesterday. >> well, considering the fact that he lifted his fury line from harry truman, now he's lifted just say no for nancy reagan, if he shows up in a red dress now, i guess we'll know he's gone full nancy. >> there was a certain kind of throwback quality to the idea of just don't start. but my sense, from at least the data, i think it's probably clear in west virginia, that starting is often born of prescriptions, right? >> well, that's exactly the point, chris. nobody gets up in the morning in west virginia or anywhere else in this country and says, gosh, i think i'll go get some heroin today.
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my life is going entirely too well. this is a process of people getting addicted to prescription painkillers, that are made by pharmaceutical firms inside the united states, and frankly, some big stupid wall with holes in it and solar panels is not going to stop the profiteering that lies behind the influx of these pills. there are legitimate uses for these chemicals, but you know, once they got hold of you, then after you can't get them anymore, the problem arises and sends you out onto the streets where it's not just heroin, it's fentanyl cutting into the heroin. what's the other one now? an elephant tranquilizer that even first responders, the -- i've been told the mere touch of it can be debilitating? >> wow. >> and so this -- it's a
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universe that cannot be solved, ever, as we learned with nancy reagan in just say no. it cannot be solved by slogans, and by grandstanding. addiction treatment is hard work. and it is expensive work. and it requires compassion, and dedication, and understanding. and i don't think any of those things are present in this president, especially in light of the fact that he completely blew off his own blue ribbon commission. >> i want to give people the sense of the scope of the problem in west virginia. here are overdoses. the rate. so this is per 100,000 deaths i imagine that is. you can see that shooting up, 41.5, shockingly high number, the national rate at 16.3. this piece from the "washington post," that there have been so many overdose deaths they have overwhelmed the state program for burial for needy families.
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out of money four months before the end of the fiscal year. does it feel like a top of line front and center crisis there, both in people's lives, but also as a political question? >> chris, it is so in the front of people's minds in west virginia, that almost nothing else can get through. because everybody knows somebody who has been through this. i know someone who's died of an overdose. i know people who deal with addiction. and you know what? this is the thing. none of them are bad people. >> yeah. >> and so just saying that it's a bad drug, or acting like people just are to be demonized, you know, one of the things that might have been nice in terms of dealing with this, and you asked about the political end of it, how about not talking about
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cutting out all the funds that go for treatment and healing and ending these addictions. i'm talking about mccabe where the treatment moneys can run as high as 40% of our medicaid. >> let me ask you this. i think the president performed better in west virginia, i think than in the other states. he talked about this a lot on the campaign trail. hillary clinton did as well. other folks did. but this was a theme of his. i guess the question to you is, do you think it will matter, i mean, is there an expectation that there will be action taken by this president and the federal government and will it matter if there isn't? >> it depends on who you're talking to. if you're talking to a dedicated trump supporter, then he's the reason that the sun rises in the morning and sets at night. they point to an imaginary return of the coal industry. and so, sure, he'll get something done about this, because he's trump.
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but if you're talking about the real world, the only thing that's going to do anything about this, by any political party, or any politician, is the rolled up sleeves gritty work of dealing with the causes of addiction, and the treatment of it. and i come back to it again and again and again. because treatment is everything. there was a brutal day of overdoses oh, a year or so ago in huntington, west virginia. i just read a newspaper story a week or so ago, maybe one out of, you know, more than 20, maybe more than 30 ods in that one day were referred to treatment. because you can't get people to treatment. go ahead. >> there's a tremendous shortage in this country of good treatment facilities. bob kincaid, thanks for joining me.
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>> thank you, chris. >> that is "all in" for this evening. tonight, the fbi raid on paul manafort's home. the dramatic new developments in the russia investigation and the documents seized from the one-time trump campaign chairman by special counsel robert mueller. also that fire and fury talk reportedly, it was off the cuff. the president's own choice of words. tonight north korea has responded to donald trump. and he may be at his best when he is up against an opponent, but has donald trump messed with the wrong senator? "the 11th hour" on a wednesday night begins now. good evening once again from our nbc numbers headquarters here in new york. day 202 of the trump administration, wraps up with the president still in new jersey. the response from north korea to the president's fire and fury language of yesterday, and the news today of what's being reported as a pre-dawn raid on

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