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and that resonates in pennsylvania, summerville, massachusetts and spots in between. and the big thing, joe, is that the democratic party, unfortunately in a lot of people's minds in the past few years, people any that they care more about silicon valley than they do about the ma nonga hill valley. they got to get that back. >> no doubt about it. donald trump doesn't put up with crap. you know who else doesn't? taylor swift. we didn't get a chance to talk about it. let's hit this. i've got to read one quote for stephanie ruhle here. so taylor swift testifying on why the front of her skirt looked normal if a photo taken when she says a radio deejay was groping her. taylor swift's answer to that deejay's lawyer, quote, because my ass is located on the back of my body. taylor swift 1, world 0.
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stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage right now. >> good on you, taylor swift. she ain't going to shake it off. hi there, i'm stephanie ruhle. this morning, not tough enough. new tweets today after president trump emerges from his golf club to double down and then some on the north korean nuclear threat. >> north korea better get their act together. >> defense secretary jim mattis urges calm like secretary of state rex tillerson. >> it's gaining diplomatic results and i want to stay right there right now. >> and why what the plt is saying now about north korea, about mitch mcconnell, about everything would mean he gets absolutely nothing down in the terms of the agenda. >> the words of the president have little meaning for a lot of reasons. >> we have got to begin this morning with the new and provocative statements from both president trump and north korea as tensions escalate to a whole
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other level. we've got the best team here to break it all down for you. stations around the globe, including kilo occasions in asia with the late breaking details. first we've got to go to president trump tweeting just a short time ago, military solutions are now fully in place, locked and loaded, should north korea act unwisely. hopefully kim jong-un will find another path, excla makmation p. that coming one day after the president issued his threat to unleash fire and fury on the rogue regime perhaps didn't go far enough. listen. >> frankly the people that were questioning that statement, was it too tough, maybe it wasn't tough enough. they've been doing this to our country for a long time. for many years and it's about time that somebody stuck up for the people of this country and for the people of other countries. if anything, maybe that statement wasn't tough enough. and we're backed 100% by our
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military, we're backed by everybody and we're backed by many other leaders. and i notice that many senators and others today came out very much in favor of what i said. but if anything, that statement may not be tough enough. >> what would be tougher than fire and fury? >> you'll see. i will tell you this. north korea better get their act together or they're going to be in trouble like few nations have been in trouble in this world. >> those are some fighting word. let's go live to nbc's kelly o'donnell in bridge water, new jersey not far from where the president is spending his working vacation at his golf resort. the president spoke about north korea threatening guam. what exactly did he say? >> reporter: well, good morning. you could certainly see from the president foreshadowing that he was going to rach up the language today. you outlined that on twitter. he's talking about guam, a home of a lot of u.s. military positioning and power.
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and vulnerable in that area of the world. and so the president, hearing what the kim jong-un leader of north korea is saying about targeting potentially guam, that got the president's attention. here's how he described it. >> i read about we're in guam by august 15th. let's see what he does with guam. he does something in guam, it will be an event the likes of which nobody has seen before, what will happen in north korea. >> asked about what he meant by saying that, the president said it's not a dare. it's a statement. you see the president trying to ramp up the rhetoric, not only aimed at kim jong-un but also to china. today the president will meet with u.n. ambassador nikki haley, a very big part of a foreign policy accomplishment from last weekend where the u.s. was able to get other nations, including china and russia to agree to a very costly set of
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sanctions that will go against north korea. they'll be having a meeting privately later today. another way for the president to learn what other leaders are saying about north korea. but when you see fire and fury and then today's locked and loaded, it's sort of like the president is branding this like a summer blockbuster sequel. it could have been a movie title. but it's the kind f thing he's often used to get people's attention. we're talking about it. he's not shying away from tough talk even though it's unsettled many in our country and around the world. but the path is saying if there's any action on guam, north korea look out. >> branding buster movie titles, that's unsettling. >> we've got a team of reporters stationed across ashap. begin in guam where miguel alga mar is standing by. what's the reaction there? >> reporter: well, it's just at
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11:00 p.m. here on a friday night. many people are out at local bars, restaurants and local beaches at this hour trying to carry on with their life. this is a very heavy tourist populat populated island. many people are taking the threats, the ramped up rhetoric in stride, trying to go about their daily lives. but many locals here tell us they're receiving phone calls from family and friends who live in the states asking if they're okay and if they're comfortable staying here. there is a level of concern here for the tourists visiting here and also for the folks who live here who can do little more than sit and wait. >> let's go from guam to south korea. kelly cobiella is live in seoul, 35 miles from the north korea border. what are people saying? >> reporter: well, no response yet from the latest locked and loaded tweet from donald trump. but they are expressing unease with the language and the rhetoric that has been raising
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temperatures on this peninsula over the last several days. and we heard yet again this morning from north korea in a state run newspaper, a warning that any pre-emptive strike on the part of the u.s. hitting north korea could spiral out of control. here's the quote from the article. even a single shell dropped on the korean peninsula might lead to the outback of a new world war, a thermonuclear war. we -- the u.s. no more than a lump which we can beat to a jellry at any time. not particularly unusual language from the north koreans. but they're carrying on with the back and forth angry language directed at the u.s. as well as carrying on with the plans at least to potentially lob four missiles in the direction of guam. one other development in south korea today, the national securitied a vuz y advisers for
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country and the u.s. spoke on the phone, reaffirming their commitment to work together. and that the u.s. would talk to seoul first before launching an atalk. >> to tokyo, nbc's matt bradley covering the reaction in gentleman pap and china. matt, what's the latest? >> reporter: this region is no strange toe the bellicose language but wu normally it comes from north korea. but in china we heard from state news media saying in there were an attack by the united states against north korea, that the chinese government would intervene on behalf of their allies in pyongyang, the north koreans. however if the north koreans were to strike first, chinese media saying they would remain neutral. that's a troubling note from beijing, a capital that donald trump has had trouble with. but meanwhile here in japan, the
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government is discussing raising anti-missile devices bringing them out south to where the missiles headed to guam would be crossing over the japanese island in order to protect the population here. like my colleagues have said, there's a lot of troubling language going on and some movements on the ground but really at the same time everybody here is girding for the worse without taking real solid action or any aggressive maneuvers. >> thank you all. our team in asia, miguel, kelly and matt. now we have to turn to my stellar panel. richard stangel served a the the state department under president obama, robert trainer, a bush senior adviser. and host of the gist podcast. richard, i got to start with you. president trump, we started with fire and fury, now fully locked and loaded.
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>> ill lwe're talking about the threat of nuclear war. we're talking about a nuclear nation. what do you make of all of this in. >> it's disdisturbing,. what's disturbing is language like locked and loaded is not dit mattic language. it may mean something to the north koreans but what does it mean to our allies, the south koreans and japan. they don't know how to interpret this. and part of the problem with trump using this bombastic language is it can cause a miscalculation, a mistake. usually the language comes to the nsc, it's worked through the state department and everybody else, it's sent out to the hall allies so everybody knows what it means. here nobody knows what it means. >> we have an republican interpreter in the house today. i want to share more of what president trump said and maybe you can dissect it. >> we are preparing for many different alternative events.
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new york has disrespected our country greatly. he's said things that are horrific and with me he's not getting away with it. >> how do you interpret that, with me he's not getting away with that. there's no diplomacy here. and many trump supporters would say who needs diplomats. >> i'm going to try to thread a needle. the positive here is i think donald trump believes we've been disrespected for the last generation. i think he believes he inherited a mess. he believes the soft rhetoric, the nuance statements, no disrespect to the statement department has not worked. he's got a point there. a valid point. >> we haven't had a nuclear war with north korea. >> of course. you're also dealing with a very emotional leader. when he's offended, he's offended. >> which one are you talking about? >> that's my second point. that's the dangerous thing here is you have two very emotional
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leaders, dare i say borderline irrational and they both have their thumb on the nuclear button and that's what's really scary here. but donald trump has got a major point here that i don't think he's articulate in expressing. the situation that i've inherited is broken. this nuance since that we've tried over the last to years has not worked. the reality is i've inherited the mess and i'm trying something different i'm not condoning it but to your point i'm trying to interpret what he's thinking. >> in terms of upping the ante, kim jong-un and president trump, these are two gentlemen not afraid of a fight, neither back down, both insist on having the last word. given that is the two individuals that we're working with, where could this go. >> kim jong-un is rational. he's evil but nothing he's done is not in his interest. let's talk about china for a second. told the only leverage we have.
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they essentially gave a vote of confidence to the north koreans. >> say that again. >> state media told the north koreans that if the united states acts first, that will not intervene. that is bad. that does not help the situation. that is not using the only actor with leverage to our advantage. but everyone is focusing on -- so the north koreans have to be made to feel that were they to strike first this there is a guarantee they will be destroyed. but they cannot think it's like lick that the united states is going to act first. none of this rhetoric or they're going to strike first, none of this rhetoric helps that. think about the part where we're communicating. donald trump is talking about if these threats continue you're going to get fire and fury. unless he delivers the fire and fury kb which i hope to god he doesn't -- >> that's his red line. >> i hate even saying this on tv. if we convince him that he made a red line, he might act on the red line. but think about what happens if
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he doesn't act on this red line. the entire message of deterrence gets weakened. maybe the north koreans start thinking, maybe the united states doesn't really retaliate no mat whaer we do. it weakens our entire strategy of communicating. you cannot use a nuclear missile or else you'll get destroyed. >> there's no action that can or should be taken by either side. one reason we haven't had this resolve over the generations is there are no good options, no good military options. and the idea that these guys are in a bargain and a kind of dare is a terrible situation. the idea is to have something that people have talked about, military to military talks so that there aren't mistakes. there's a lot of negotiation and diplomacy that can happen here rather than this threatening crazy language. >> again, i want you to interpret it. president trump made a lot of statements yesterday but he made one about russia that blew my
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little mind. take a look. >> do you have any response to the russia president expelling 755 workers from our embassies? >> no. i want to thank him because we're trying to cut down on payroll. and as far as i'm concerned, i'm very thankful that he let go of a large number of people. be because now we have a smaller payroll. we'll sai a lot of money. >> ha, ha. wait until we have a press conference. take him seriously, he was joking. >> that's not a joke. i think he was trying to dead pan there. i think he was trying to be funny. but this is serious. first and foremost we're talking about 700 lives. that's number one. we're talking about diplomats here that are working on our behalf in russia. and number three, presidents don't talk like this. this is not funny. and so when you have the locked and loaded stuff with the tweets a couple of minutes ago and when you have someone thanking a brutal dictator who wants to
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undermine our democracy. >> the president's defense is going to be he's not your average president. but he went after, complained about congress and the aggressive sanctions, yet he thanks putin. how do you read that in. >> the other thing he's absolutely wrong about is diplomats are not payroll. foreign service officers get paid whether they here in moscow or not. >> yes, i'm so glad you're in the house. >> there is no cut in the payroll at all. >> if when you worked in state the president communicated to you that he had your back as little as this president does, what do you think? >> it's like he's treating diplomats like construction workers that he can dismiss with with the slight of his hand. it's disrespectful. it doesn't treat this whole engine of diplomacy that we've had for hundreds of years with the respect that it needs. and they're patriots risking their lives for the americans. >> remember that, president trump, i hope you're watching with, you have to pay them
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anyway and they don't have to do that much. that stinks for you. seriously. we're going to take a break. next, the president sharpening his rhetoric, not necessarily just north korea, against senate majority leader mitch mcconnell. but are the president's words making his entire agenda dead on arrival. >> in last night's amazing special edition weekend update, bill bill hader played anthony scare mu economy and he was able to sum up his entire ten you in less than 15 seconds. >> the mooch has no regrets. all i did was sell the company, miss the birth of my child and ruin my entire reputation all to be king of idiot mountain for 11 days. where's gary? 'saved money on motorcycle insurance with geico. goin' up the country. later, gary' i have a motorcycle!
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i said mitch, get to work and let's get it done. they should have had this last one done. they lost by one vote. for a thing like that to happen is a disgrace. >> i think president trump may have been reading chuck schumer's teleprompter. he was ramping up his attack on his own senate majority leader mitch mcconnell blaming him for trump's stalled agenda and refusing to say whether he wants mcconnell to step down. joining me now, my panel. i want to start with you lexi. i spoke to people in the white house last night who have
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despondent over the president's tweets to mitch mcconnell. this administration has been working for months, day in and day out, whether it's in the white house, in the executive office, on the hill, working with the gop on health care, tax reform, infrastructure to try to get the president's agenda to happen. and now here we are with the president attacking mitch mcconnell. the president not understanding that mitch mcconnell doesn't even have to bring these agenda item to the floor. what is the president thinking? >> so, this attack against mcconnell speaks directly to trump's core base of voters. i was given a survey from the state project that sort of showed grass roots members around the country are more upset with congress than the media because they blame congress for trump not being able to pass legislation that affects their lives. trump is speaking to his voters
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and shifting the blame for a stalled agenda from himself to congress which is exactly what his voters are feeling. >> the president is going to fire up his base. i spoke to a senior white house staff member who said that their heap is that on monday they can sit down with the president and try to help him understand the actual cards in his hand. mitch mcconnell doesn't work for the president. mitch mcconnell is the most powerful man in washington. >> you can make the argument that the president is crazy like a fox. speaking to his base, an outsider that's going to shake this thing up and drain the swamp. in six months if in fact major legislation does not come through the president's desk he's going to run against the united states senate, against the republicans. he's going to say this is not my fault. vote these guys out. you see it time and time again with flake, a republican senator from arizona where the president came out and said maybe the opponent should be in the primary. you see the president actively talking about these guys are not with me. so he knows what he's doing.
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the question is whether or not it's going to backfire. because one would think with a for nuance brain here, mitch mcconnell, his wife works for the president as the secretary of transportation. one would think he wouldn't mess with that. but two, mitch mcconnell to your point is the senate majority leader. this is the guy who controls your legislative agenda, mr. president. you may want to kiss and make up. >> robert has a great point in that the president could be dumb like a fox. mitch mcconnell has changed his position. president trump has given us no surprises. these attacks, we knew we were going to get them. republicans hated him, sided with him, hated him again and voted behind him. could they be burning thepss here. follow the president could have been a mistake by their own doing. >> but the president did set the agenda. saying we're going to do health care first, and that proved to be a mistake. >> and he also offered the
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american people quite a bit in health care that simply couldn't be delivered. >> sure. when we was crafting his health care legislation, now he's blaming obama instead of owning it. he can run against obamacare. he can run against the senate. he has to run against something. but at a certain point how does he get above 38% to 40%. where did it start? it started when mitch mcconnell said you know what's hurt us, the president puts these artificial deadlines on things and that has hurt them. >> the president came out of nowhere and said wednesday we're going to have something and for three days his team scrambled to put together a 200-word book report. >> and that's now how the senate works. and that shows that he out of depth. the president is hurting himself, mitch mcconnell pointing it out and the president lashing out. >> is this steve bannon here to stay? steve bannon there to take the
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system down. >> so steve bannon has sort of taken the shadows or the back spot in the recent weeks. john kelly came in and is sort of trying to run a tight ship, right, after we saw of the craziness with bannon a few weeks ago, he's been quieter. there's no indication that he's on his way out. but john kelly is running a tight ship. he's trying to keep trump on message. >> okay. >> we've heard he's offering alternative ways of wording his tweets. there's in telling what's going to happen with bannon but onkelly is trying to keep it in line. >> i would say steve bannon is not being quiet. i turn you to breitbart news and the headlines. where do you think they're coming from. and general kelly is not controlling his tweets. they're saying what have we and our team gotten ourselves into. >> locked and loaded. how will wall street react to president trump's inflammatory comments this morning.
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welcome back. i'm stephanie ruhle. this is msnbc and it is time now for your morning primer. everything you need to know to start your day.
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we begin with president trump calling the op joid epidemic a national march. could direct more money and resource to fight. new orleans is under a state of emergency this morning after the cities water pumping system malfunctioned. with more rain in the forecast and only a single working turbine, neighborhoods are at risk of serious flooding. >> police arrested the driver of a florida day caravan with the death of a 3-year-old, who died after being left in the vehicle all day. don't like that story. >> music star taye already swift took the stand in a civil trial alleging a former radio deejay touched her inappropriately during a preconcert event in denver. swift says the incident was something i did not want known and said she tried to get as far away from the deejay as she could without stopping the event. i'm going to try to speak for
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indices hitting the one-month lows. all of that rhetoric is playing out but calmer heads seem to be playing today. there are traders out there who believe that in the end there will be a diplomatic solution. you look at the front page of the papers today, the usa today talking about diplomatic relations. all of that is playing out in the marketing today. we'll see if they enter the weekend that way. but still it's one of those things that we're watching. i would also say, stephanie, the places that investors typically go when there's trouble on the horizon. >> gold. >> gold, bonds, that sort of thing, they're actually starting to stabilize as well. maybe in this situation calmer heads are prevailing. >> i read out there, go for the gold. this weekend, what's the big focus? >> the big focus is anything that comes out of the north korean situation. but a lot of traders keeping a close eye on what's happening with the big technology stocks.
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the apples, facebooks, goggles of the world have been leading this rally higher. they're the ones that pulled back the most amid the tension in russia, china, north korea and everything else. if those stocks start to really crack, that could be a real sign. a lot of traders watching that. and of course snapchat, one of thotest ipos is showing some real hits today. it reported earnings that were worst than expected. >> tough for newly wed. have a great weekend. >> you too. up next, money, power politics. andrew puzder joins me to talk about the strong jobs market and if we're really going to see tax reform. before we go, have you ever wanted to live like president trump? as jimmy fallon points out, now you can. >> i read that you can go on air bnb and rump trump's childhood home where he lived fl he was 4.
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with countries like denmark, france, belgium claiming higher taxes, in fact the u.s. is the 31st most taxed country when comparing it against the gdp. i'm joined now by former ceo and former nominee for labor secretary, andrew puzder. corporations would tell us their tax rate is too high even though many pay significantly less once you add in all of the deductions. but in general, why would the president, in your estimation, repeat this falsehood about the united states paying a higher tax rate than any other country. he doesn't need to make that argument. >> no, he doesn't. and the accurate statement would be we have one of the highest marginal tax rates in the world. which is a true statement. i think what the president is saying is a bit of an overstatement in that respect. but the real problem is the san francisco fed had a report out earlier this month saying there was $2.5 trillion that american businesses are keeping overseas
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and not bringing back into the united states because of the tax rate, because of problems with the tax code. we want to bring that money back. we want to keep companies here. a lot of companies are doing what's called corporation aversions to move overseas and we want want the companies to move. we want apple to bring $250 billion that it's keeping overseas back into the united states. i think that's the point the president is trying to get to. i think his statement was -- i think he's misinterpreting the fact that we have one of the highest marginal tax rates as meaning that we have one of the highest tax paying rates. >> across the word i would say most americans would agree. those massive corporations, we want that money back here. >> yes. >> in order to get tax reform done, in order for the white house to get to that agenda, they need the gop to work with them. i spoke to people inside the white house working on infrastructure, working on tax reform and working on the budget and they're crushed by the fact that the president is going after mitch mcconnell.
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you yr in line to potentially be labor secretary. you know mr. trump and you understand the republican party. can you help me do the math here. why does it make sense for the president to go after mitch mcconnell when hi agenda is on the line? >> i also know mitch mcconnell who is a very good guy. i like both the president and mitch mcconnell. but what the president try to do, he runs this based on his experience as a chief executive officer. >> of a company that rebankruhe bankrupted four times. >> you try to put pressure on the people to get the job done. i think he's trying to put pressure on mitch mcconnell to get the job done. i can't tell you whether it will approach but it's an approach. >> as a very successful businessman, there's putting pressure and there's public shaming. and what president trump is doing to mitch mcconnell, a member of his own team is public shaming. >> yeah, i think part of this started with senate mcconnell's statement that the president has exaggerated expectations for what could be done, which i
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think irritated the president because for seven years the people in congress have been saying -- republicans in congress have been saying we will repeal and replace obamacare. the house passes a bill, we have a president ready to sign a bill, it gets stalled in the senate where a lot of the senators who voted against a very good bill in the senate to repeal and reform obamacare, the senators voted against it had voted for repeal when president obama was president and there was no risk in doing so. so i think the president was irritated. i don't think leader mcconnell's statement was very helpful in the dialogue. and it's the kind of thing that this president react to and he reacted. >> let's talk about a different kind of reaction. the rhetoric, the back and forth with north korea. are you concerned? >> i'm not a foreign policy expert and i think, like many of the people who have been talking about this, number one, we don't know what the president is hearing. we don't know what intelligence he has and why he makes the statements that he does number one.
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and we don't know what's dwing on bheend the scenes. we don't know what's going on in negotiations with secretary tillerson or with general mat s mattis. we don't really know what's going on behind the scenes. we don't know what intelligence the president has. it's difficult i think to judge the effect of his comments or the intent of his comments unless you know what he knows and i don't. foreign policy is not an area of my expertise. i don't think that what's happening with north korea was president trump's fault. i think it's the fault of failed policies over the past couple of decades with respect to north korea. >> he's taking a new approach certainly. >> he is taking a new approach. >> you do know quite a bit about immigration, about labor. and i want to ask you about this. the school of business where president trump graduated from came out with a study showing that president trump's immigration proposals would cast the u.s. $1 million over ten years. it says in part, quote, by 2040 gdp would be 2% lower and jobs
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would fall by 4.6 million. what's your reaction to the president's proposal on immigration? >> first of all, you start with the report that came out recently showing that we have 6.2 million job openings in the united states. a tremendous number. the highest recorded since the burr reau of statistics has bee analyzing the data. we have 7 million people unemployed. that's the lowest it's been since may of 2007. it's a prerecession number but it's still 7 million people who have looked for a job in the past 30 dayance you've got another 6.4 million people who are not in the labor force who want a job now. that's about 13.5 million people looking for jobs. you've got 6.2 million job openings. and the problem is people's wages have stayed very low. we've had income and equality increase because working class and middle
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[ inaudible question ] s -- middle incomes haven't increased. hang on a second. you don't increase wages by increasing the number of people going after jobs. if you've got employees competing with each other for jobs, wages stagnate. employees competing for employees, wages go up. we're bring in a million people into the country under current immigration law, more than the population of san francisco, you really hold the wages down. this is a way to get the wages up. i don't think that the government could artificially increase wages. by the way, i'm not opposed to increasing the minimum wage. i'm opposed to increasing it to the point that it kills entry point jobs. >> as a fast food restaurant operator, what percentage of your employees were immigrant? >> we didn't keep track of it like that. i don't know what percent were
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immigran immigrants. we had a high percentage of minorities. we didn't keep track of who was here as an immigrant and who wasn't. none of them were here illegally. >> there are some industries, agriculture that are dependent on immigrant work. we're seeing in some counties in california huge losses. there are crops on the vine that aren't being picked because some immigration practice is put in place. >> we need immigration program and a prom that allows people to go back to their country after they fill their jobs. vi no problem with that at all. i don't think we need to let a million people into the country every year when we've got so many americans who don't have jobs and could use those jobs. >> clearly immigration reform is on the table and we need a new solution. thank you for your time this morning. >> thank you. was a pleasure. next, president trump responds to the news that his former campaign marg's house was raided by the fbi. could paul manafort be the key
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>> i know mr. manafort, haven't spoken to him in a long time. he was with the campaign for a relatively short period of time. >> president trump distancing himself from his former campaign manager, paul manafort after new reports that special counsel is digging deeper into foreign ties. bloomberg news is reporting muell mueller's team of investigators has sent supanas in recent weeks from a washington grand jury to global banks for account information and records transactions. that following revelations that the fbi raided manafort's virginia's home two weeks ago. i want to bring in kristen, send one of the reporters on the
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story and robert michel still here. what, could manafort have done to warrant such a subpoena? >> he had business ties going back a very long time and some of them have already sort of landed in legal disputes and gotten the attention of the fbi and other authorities. and they -- those have some distance from sort of the campaign issues about whether russia helped the trump administration -- helped the trump campaign win the election. but they could provide a road map for prosecutors to getting there and getting manafort to cooperate with their investigation. >> i want to share with what president trump said yesterday about paul manafort. this is the day after the "national enquirer" owned by david, an ally of president trump sent a scathing new report about paul manafort's personal life.
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take a look. >> i've always found paul manafort to be a decent man and he's probably like a lot of people make consultant fees from all over the place. who knows. i don't know. what do you think? >> little smoke bomb out there that the president is very good. does a very good job of doing. what i thought was really interesting is that he was very artful and wasn't hesitating in his voice. he has practiced his response. i think he knew the question was coming. the real question is, why would the fbi, why did they do this raid and do it in the middle of the night. which tells me, "a," they convinced a judge pretty quickly, look, we have to do this. there is a very good chance that this person may destroy the evidence but also be why. you know, just follow the money, i guess. >> then in that regard, roger stone, republican strategist, former business partner and long-time friend of manafort said manafort will not testify.
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our national security expert put out a tweet i notice and usually if you're roger stone and know paul manafort he did nothing, there is nothing for him to say. matt is pointing out maybe he is sending a smoke signal to the president, paul, he'll never turn on you, sir. >> i don't know if there is a smoke signal. there, there's a weird connection and i don't know what it is. manafort got hired and he offered to work for free. what was in it for manafort and his son was being investigated for a ponzi scheme and almost exactly at the time that he was fired from the trump campaign. the son-in-law and daughter had defaulted on a series of millions of dollars of loans for property. i don't know what's there. mueller is trying to get to the bottom of what's there. it's very interesting to find out. >> how many people think in the middle of a ponzi scheme. i don't know anyone like that. what was your biggest ah-ha here. >> it's interesting the fbi raid
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on the house at 6:00 a.m. was a show of force by mueller's team and also the special counsel investigators have approached some of manafort's early business partners to see if they could secure their cooperation against mr. manafort. it certainly seems like they're putting pressure and a lot of pressure. >> manafort is changing his legal operation? >> he and his former counsel are no longer working together and he has hired new counsel. >> that new counsel, as i understand it, are very steep in financial situations, i understand. >> i said this before and i'll say it, again. you know who won this election? lawyers. xhnchlthsi . coming up, president trump sharpens his words against own parties. a member of the house freedom caucus will be in the house.
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nor the last couple hours implying the u.s. is moving in the wrong direction with this rhetoric rising. now we know a little more about what china would do. stay out if north korea attacks first, jump in if the u.s. does. plenty to watch overseas in that war of words. and back home plenty to watch, too. new words many americans have been waiting for. a national emergency when it comes to opioids. how the president's latest comments could change the fight if it's not too late. a lot happening in the next hour here on this program and, once again, our team is covering all of this from here in the u.s. and around the world. first to miguel almaguer who is live on an island with a heightened state of alert. guam quite literally where you are stuck in the middle. >> yeah, absolutely, hallie. midnight here, early saturday morning. many

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