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is ramping uppet rhetoric perhaps an effective strategy or is he just making a bad situation worse? also, candid comments. president trump talking about the fbi raid on his former campaign chairman, paul manafort's home. can he distance himself from the investigation? and on the offensive. trump going after mcconnell yet again? why ultimately the back and forth between the president and his senate leader may not actually matter that much. but we'll start with the report of an ongoing secret back channel between the united states and north korea. news of that effort coming from the associated press, just as president trump and north korea are ramping up the war talk today. the president says a military solution is, in his words, locked and loaded. that came just hours after north korea suggested a preemptive strike could lead to, quote, thermonuclear war. world leaders, meanwhile, are telling the parties to walk it
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all back a step. germany's angela merkel saying escalating in the rhetoric is the wrong answer while russia's foreign minister calls the talk over the top. as for china, an editorial in a state-run newspaper there suggests that the country should remain neutral if north korea strikes first. however, it also had this message for both countries. quote, when their actions jeopardize china's interests, china will respond with a firm hand. we have reporters in new jersey and stretched out across the pacific, as well. kelly o'donnell following the president for us from bridgewater, new jersey. bill neely in seoul, south korea. matt bradley in tokyo. and miguel almaguer in guam. kelly, o., let me start there with you in jersey. we understand that president trump is going to be meeting with two top members of his foreign policy team today. what more can you tell us about that? >> reporter: well, craig, it is a summer friday, and we know what that means in the trump white house.
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there is always action happening. and we will have the president meeting with secretary of state tillerson, the u.n. ambassador, nikki haley this afternoon. hr mcmaster, national security adviser. we're also told that here in the sort of temporary white house offices where we're broadcasting from, we'll have two other members of the cabinet, labor and education. secretaries acosta and devos will be coming and talking to reporters here about what the administration is doing. and we have also just learned our colleague, peter alexander, is reporting that three top members of the president's team, including his son-in-law, jared kushner, will be making another trip to the middle east in their ongoing work to try to forge some kind of consensus, some kind of peace. that apparent trip approved through the new chief of staff, john kelly and other top members of the president's team. so a lot of developments happening here. and it's a day in which the president sort of teed things up again with his twitter feed and the language that he has chosen
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to use, where he has talked about the u.s. military being locked and loaded. this was a tweet that got a lot of the conversation going today. military solutions are now fully in place. the president tweeted, locked and loaded, should north korea act unwisely. hopefully kim jong-un will find another path. so today the president will have a chance to hear from some of his most important voices in the administration who have been dealing with other world leaders when it comes to the u.n. sanctions that were just completed last weekend. or secretary tillerson, who has not only been in the region, but made that refueling stop in guam, as a show of support for our u.s. protecterriate there. the president in a chatty mood yesterday, had a lot of things he wanted to talk about. there will be opportunities for journalists in the rotating pool today to see the president up close, and we would anticipate, given his willingness to talk so
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much yesterday, perhaps he'll have some additional comments today, especially given the nature and the high profile of these meetings he's having today. craig? >> kelly o'donnell in bridgewater, new jersey. do stand by for us, if you can. our correspondent in seoul, south korea, on the ground. bill, what's been the reaction to this locked and loaded talk? >> reporter: well, craig, they're concerned, really, that every time donald trump opens his mouth, whether it's fire and fury or locked and loaded, the temperature soars. you know, they would be the first casualties in any conflict. so they would rather see the rhetoric tamped down. the interesting thing, craig, for the u.s. military, here, and remember, there are around 30,000 in total at 83 sites in this country, they have a phrase, ready to fight tonight. so they are locked and loaded the entire time. they're in a state of high alert at all times. south korea's presidency hasn't
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reacted to donald trump's latest tweet, but earlier they said there was a conference call between hr mcmaster, national security adviser, and south korea's national security adviser. the south koreans saying the u.s. has agreed they will consult seoul at every step along the way. suggesting that the u.s. will not act unilaterally without consulting seoul. japan, it's taking no chances at all. i know matt bradley is going to talk more about that. but they are moving missiles in japan. china, the foreign ministry, saying appealing, really, for calm. it was almost a slight rebuke to donald trump's tweet, trying to ask everyone to talk calmly. and one final thing, craig. the china newspaper that is connected to the communist party is suggesting that if the north koreans fire a missile, china
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will stand back, will be neutral, will let them act on their own. but if the u.s. should act unilaterally, china would have to step in. that's a newspaper that doesn't speak for the presidency or the government. but it gives you an idea of what people in power in beijing are thinking. craig? >> bill neely for us there. bill, also stand by, if you can. miguel almaguer on guam. miguel, word this morning that the government there is now walking citizens through what to do in case of an imminent missile threat. what more do we know about those warnings? >> reporter: yeah, craig. it was pretty shocking to many people here. the local government clearly hoping for the best, but also planning for the worst. they released these pamphlets to the 160,000 americans who call guam home, and also the 15,000 tourists that are here every day. they're pamphlets free for anyone who wants to pick them up. if warned if there was a missile attack, for those not to look
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into the sky, to look away, so they wouldn't be blinded by the streak that goes across the sky. they told anyone here on the island to seek immediate shelter, to get down, as low as you can, and also hide behind any buildings you can find. and they also said if this region was attacked by radioactive or excuse me nuclear missiles, that folks should immediately get into showers and wash everything off of their body. it's a really stern warning. very shocking for many people here. of course, this is a paradise, 15,000 people, as i mentioned, are on this island every day to enjoy the beaches. tourists from all over the world, many from japan, some from the united states. so it was a shocking message for many people here to receive. but it is also a stark reminder of the reality of this island, craig. >> doom's day preps on guam. crazy. matt, japanese prime minister shinzo abe, you know, he's tried to build a strong relationship
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with president trump. he was at mar-a-lago when the north koreans launched that first missile test this year. what can you tell us about what's happening there and the relationship between the two of them right now? >> reporter: well, when you talk about locked and loaded, you know, that's something that the japanese are certainly ready for. they're certainly locked and loaded here in japan. but it's a different level of readiness, craig. remember that ever since world war ii, the japanese have enshrined in their constitution that their defensive posture would be purely defensive. they are not a militarized nation. it would be illegal for them to arm themselves in a way that would allow them to be aggressors beyond their own borders. so that makes things a little bit different here. and when we look ahead, not to tomorrow, not to the day after, but months and years from now, one of the lasting legacies of this particular dustup between the u.s. and north korea might be that them powers or at least gives ammunition to some elements on the right wing here in japan to actually discuss
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moving away from these constitutional tenets that forbid them from arming themselves further, that forbid them from creating a posture that would be more than defensive. that could possibly be aggressive. and there's been something of a discussion, a very low-level discussion here, i should say, about whether or not this defensive readiness is really suitable for a situation in which north korea is antagonizing japan. remember, north korea actually called out japan and said that their missiles that would be flying toward guam would be flying over the japanese island. and that's actually very unsettling. not so much for the people here who are used to this kind of bellicose rhetoric, but to defense officials, to politicians, who are really trying to decide whether or not they want to continue with this purely defensive posture. and if the japanese do decide they want to move beyond their constitutional provisions that say that they are only defensive, well, that would really change the balance of power in the region, and that would have a lasting effect, not
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just on japan, but on china, vietnam, south korea and everybody else who is part of this very, very tenuous balance here in east asia. >> mike bradley, miguel almaguer, bill, kelly o., a thanks to you on this friday afternoon. jamie mcintyre is the author on "the daily on defense," a newsletter for the washington examiner. and a senior adviser, which advocates the elimination of nuclear weapons, former senior director at the nsc for nonproliferation and arms control. jamie, let me start with you. should we be at all surprised that behind this fiery rhetoric, locked and loaded, and fire and fury earlier this week, there is this back channel diplomacy going on, as well? >> well, the message that we can consistently keep getting from the pentagon, including from the defense secretary, jim mattis, is that the preference, strong preference of the military, is for a diplomatic resolution. but, of course, we know from
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history that for diplomacy sometimes to work, it has to be backed with a credible threat of military force. and one of the problems that we have had in dealing with north korea over the decades, really, is that despite north korea's constant intercepting every defensive military exercise in the south, is some sort of rehearsal for an invasion, they haven't taken seriously any threat that the u.s. or south korea would actually launch some sort of preemptive strike. and that is because every time the pentagon war games one of those scenarios, you know, the u.s. and its south korean allies win, but at great cost, in some estimates, up to 1 million casualties, on both sides. so i think what you're seeing here is trying to put some fear into kim jong un that president trump is a different kind of president and he might actually take military action and use that to try to motivate not just the north koreans, by the way, but also china to get with the
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enforcement of those sanctions. >> john, i want to read one defense of president trump's rhetoric here. this is from a ucla law professor writing in the "l.a. times" this morning. quote, in hard-nosed, brass-knuckles bargaining, the crazy person wins, because he can force a rational counterpart to make concessions in order to avoid mutual disaster. and no one does crazy like trump. your response. >> well, i remember reading game theory in graduate school, too. and it's all fine and well on paper and book form. the challenge is, if you want to appear crazy, you're not going to outcrazy kim jong-un. for the united states to indicate that it is prepared to preemptively or preventively strike north korea only gives north korea an incentive to try to beat us to the punch. it increases the risk that some mistake, some misinterception of
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an action can cause or spark a war that neither side wants. >> jamie is exactly right, as usual. we have gamed out all of these war scenarios on the korean peninsula. we win. the united states is the strongest on the planet, but south korea is destroyed. there are 1 million people that die. that is not the definition of success. so the key now is how do you get the united states and north korea to step back from the brink. and i don't know whether the reports of a back channel are true, but i certainly hope they are and i hope we have some way of messaging the north koreans that while the president may be talking tough, we're not about to strike at them. >> jamie, lindsay graham told hugh hewitt on his radio show that the policy under this president has changed, quote, in his words dramatically. but listen to what some experts told politico. quote, despite trump's declarations that he's abandoning obama's strategic patience with north korea, the basic strategy of ramping up pressure on the regime to end its missile program is a carryover from the past eight years.
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you have been covering this part of the world for a very long time, jamie. what about the policy? what about this administration's particular policy as it relates to north korea has changed? >> well, you know, the clear thing that has changed is the tone of the rhetoric when we hear things like "fire and fury" and "solutions are locked and loaded." and by the way, we've heard slightly more tempered versions of that, but the same message from the defense secretary, jim mattis, who said to reporters who were traveling with him yesterday that, yes, he said i have military options, and yes, he said, there's a military solution. so those kinds of comments feed into that. and as just has been discussed, the problem with escalating the rhetoric and coming to a level of brinkmanship is that it does raise the risk of miscalculation. so, you know, the u.s. is trying to intimidate north korea so they won't fire missiles in the direction of guam, although in the past, we have been happy to let north korean missiles fall harmlessly in the sea when they
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were fired in the direction of japan. so if they fire the missiles and then we react, that -- you know, that could get us into a spiral, where one side miscalculates the other, and as we said, we get into a war that nobody wants. because the -- just very blunt terms, the pentagon's assessment of war on the korean peninsula is that it would be a bloodbath. >> john, at this point, how would you rate the likelihood of a military conflict in that part of the world? >> well, i don't think it's probable. and it's definitely avoidable. much of what we're seeing now is sort of self-inflicted by a u.s. decision to ramp up the rhetoric. what i am concerned about is we don't control all of the pieces on the chessboard. even if north korea and the united states want to avoid a conflict, should there be a stray element, a power outage that isn't explained, a cyberattack in north korea that looks like it's from the united states but really isn't be. a military exercise that goes
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astray can be the spark that lights this powder keg. so there is a reason that u.s. presidents for decades have been the voice of calm and reason. it's to make sure we're not right at the edge of a conflict, should something go wrong. and i think that advice is a piece of advice of this administration to take heed. >> john, thank you. jamie, thank you, as well. enjoy the weekend. former trump campaign chairman, paul manafort, switching legal teams to represent him in the russia investigation. i will be asking a top justice department official, a former top justice department official, what the switch really means. and president trump unleashing on mitch mcconnell yet again. is he trying to force the senate majority leader to step aside? or is he trying to force him to act? but first, some voters in eastern pennsylvania weighing in with their views on this president. >> i believed in what he was saying. >> reporter: and now you're disappointed>> i'm disappointed like a lot of people are
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new attention on the russia investigation today amid reports that former trump campaign chairman, paul manafort, is now shaking up his legal team. those changes coming just days after we learn that the fbi conducted that early-morning raid on one of manafort's houses last month.
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yesterday president trump was asked about the appropriateness of the raid. >> i thought it was a very, very strong signal or whatever. i know mr. manafort, haven't spoken to him in a long time, but i know him. he was with the campaign, as you know, for a very short period of time, relatively short period of time. but i've always known him to be a good man. i thought it was a very, you know -- they do that very seldom. so i was surprised to see it. >> natasha bertrand is a senior reporter at business insider and msnbc justice and security analyst. matthew miller joins us, as well. former chief spokesman for the justice department. matt, let me start with you there. just in broad terms, what do you make of what we just heard from the president? >> well, he's right. it is a tough move. but welcome to federal criminal investigations. this ain't bean bag. i think it's very clear that bob mueller is looking very hard at paul manafort.
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he's looking at his activities long before he went to work for donald trump, and he's looking at his activities while he worked for donald trump. and the problem that manafort has is that he's both a big fish in his own right. he has individual criminal liability for things dating back years. and also is potentially the key to catching an even bigger fish, the president of the united states. so bob mueller is coming at him with everything he has. i think he can expect that to go on for some time. >> historically, matt, in cases like, this you know, they go out and get this federal warrant. what do you have to demonstrate in order to get a warrant like that, to search manafort's home in the early morning hours? >> you have to show probable cause. you have to show a judge probable cause that you will find evidence of a crime at that residence. and what is unusual in this case is usually someone who is represented by counsel as paul manafort is, you would send a subpoena, work through counsel to retrieve the documents. and for the fbi to execute a raid in that fashion shows that they likely thought that paul
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manafort would not fully comply with a subpoena. that he might even destroy documents. it's a very troubling thing for the fbi to think about for, for the special counsel to think about. dramatic action for them to. >> natasha, you're reporting today on a change in paul manafort's legal team. why the change now? what more can you tell us about that? >> well, according to his spokesman, they are just now realizing that mueller has expanded the probe to look into possible financial crimes that paul manafort has committed over the past couple, you know, years in his foreign lobbying work. those crimes, potentially, have to do with the bank secrecy act, which revolves around money laundering and tax crimes. so they have hired a smaller boutique firm that specializes in these kinds of -- in this kind of litigation. and they're hoping this firm will be more adept than willmar hale. >> and to be clear, the previous firm was the same firm in which
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bob mueller was a partner before becoming special counsel for this case, correct? >> yes. but manafort's spokesman told me that that has nothing to do with the reason why manafort has chosen to change his legal team now. they say, well, if that was the case, then he would have changed his legal team months ago when mueller was appointed. he was appointed in may. so they're denying it has anything to do with it, and saying this is a more specialized firm. the partner at the -- or the law firm he has hired now, manafort was actually represented by one of their lawyers for a very long time. that lawyer has since retired, but he will be offering a supporting role to kevin downing who will now be representing manafort directly. >> hey, matt, is there a statute of limitations for financial crimes? >> there is. typically, seven years for most financial crimes. but one of the things that exists as well in a case like this is if there is a conspiracy. if the conspiracy is ongoing, that extends the statute of limitations. so you may have committed a financial crime ten years ago. but if you took actions to hide that -- hide that crime or
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otherwise further conspiracy in the last few years, prosecutors are able to sweep that -- that crime that was outside the statute of limitations up into a potential indictment. >> natasha, what's likely the next step here in the manafort part of the investigation? >> well, everyone that i've spoken to has kind of speculated that the reason why mueller is really going after the tax -- potential tax crimes committed by paul manafort, they're trying to leverage the threat of criminal charges against him so that he does become a cooperating witness and becomes more willing to perhaps turn on donald trump and tell them what they want to know about the campaign. >> they want to turn manafort into a snitch. >> essentially. and i've heard similar things about their motivations for questioning michael flynn. >> in your experience, matt miller, likelihood of that. i mean, if you've got evidence against a bigger fish, and then you're dealing with smaller fish, is this the method, are these the methods by which you would get them to flip on said
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bigger fish? >> it's what prosecutors always try to do. if you want to look historically at a parallel, it was really the key to blowing the lid off of watergate. prosecutors and congressional committees were moving along and it wasn't until john dean turned and began to give investigators a road map that they were really able to understand what was happening in watergate and be able to prove the case. so i think it's absolutely what bob mueller will try to do here. and the question of whether manafort is ever willing to cooperate goes to a couple things. one, does he have something worth telling them? two, is he facing serious enough jail time that he's willing to cooperate? and three, is he sure that the president isn't going to pardon him? that's another big question i think that will remain on the table for some time. >> matt miller leaving us with a cliffhanger on this friday afternoon. thank you. natasha, always good to have you. i've learned something over the last few minutes. thanks to you both. republican rift. the president continuing his very public spat with his senate majority leader. what's the president's end game
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some of the top stories we're following this hour. in cuba, a so-called acoustic attack on embassy staffers is widening. the canadian government now says some of their embassy staff are experiencing hearing loss and sickness, as well. the cause is still very much a mystery with theories such as ultra sonic sound waves to poisoning. cuban officials deny any role in the case and have launched their own investigation. 12 years after katrina flooded new orleans, another serious threat has forced louisiana's governor to declare a state of emergency for the city. new orleans can't power the pumps that help prevent flooding after heavy rainfall, causing scenes like this one, eerily reminiscent of katrina back in 2005. unlike that hurricane, though, it's the drainage system leading to the flooding, not the levees, not the flood walls the government built after the hurricane.
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and check out this stunning video just released by police in austin. keep your eye on the vehicle there. a bmw plummets seven stories over the size of a parking garage, slams into another car. amazingly, both drivers survived that crash. officers say the driver of the bmw mistook the gas pedal for the brakes, causing her to speed off the side of that building. she suffered serious injuries. the other driver, that suv you just saw there, managed to move forward just enough to avoid catastrophe and came out unscathed. the public feud between the president of the united states and senate majority leader, mitch mcconnell, picked up steam this week after mcconnell said the president had excessive expectations. president trump fired back on twitter, of course. but then actually said this yesterday. >> i said, mitch, get to work and let's get it done. they should have had this last one done. they lost by one vote.
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for a thing like that to happen is a disgrace. and frankly, it shouldn't have happened. that i can tell you. >> should senator mcconnell consider stepping down? some say it's time for him to retire. >> well, i'll tell you what. if he doesn't get repeal and replace done, and if he doesn't get taxes done, we need cuts and reform. if if he doesn't get a very easy one to get done, infrastructure. if he doesn't get them done, then you can ask me that question. >> "washington post" congressional reporter, kelsey snow, eli stokel for the "wall street journal." kelsey, it did not sound like a ringing endorsement there from the president of the united states for his senate majority leader. >> yeah, no, it certainly did not. the president did seem like he had a lot on his mind during that press conference. and, you know, it's really, really rare to see a president attack the majority leader of their own party. and it's particularly stunning,
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because mcconnell is going to be necessary for trump to get all of the things done that he wants to get done. and mcconnell is really popular. we're seeing right now on twitter a flood of senate republicans coming out and saying that the best path forward for getting anything passed is having mcconnell in the leadership position. and it's been a confusing time, and i think there's a sense that, as i talk to people on the hill, there is a sense they feel like they didn't know where this came from. they were not prepared for this. and it was just kind of shocking. >> we're being told that president trump is actually going to head to washington, d.c., on monday. we don't know why. perhaps he'll be visiting with senator mcconnell. but we don't know. eli, how is mitch mcconnell likely to respond to this back and forth? >> well, unlike the president, i don't think mitch mcconnell -- i don't cover him every day. but i don't expect him by nature to sort of match trump's rhetoric with his own and to ratchet up the war of words. doesn't seem like his style.
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this is something we have seen the president do over and over again, whenever he feels criticized for blame for something, he likes to shift the blame to other people, even people within his own administration or party. so a couple weeks ago it was jeff sessions. now it's turned to mitch mcconnell. as kelsey points out, the president does need mitch mcconnell and senate republicans if they want to do the big-ticket items on their agenda list as far as infrastructure and tax reform. but also they have some more pressing priorities coming up in the near term. funding the government, raising the debt ceiling. those are things they have to do, and the deterioration of the relationship between the white house and leaders on capitol hill is a problem when these guys come back in at the end of the month. >> but to be fair, eli, it's not like the president and mitch mcconnell were bffs before this, right? >> no, that is true. but it's just interesting. everybody says with donald trump loyalty is a one-way street. and it's really true. i think it's fair to argue that mitch mcconnell is really responsible to the heavy lifting -- the one thing that
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donald trump brags about being an accomplishment of his first six months. and that's putting a new conservative justice on the supreme court. mitch mcconnell is the one who did not let president obama nominate a replacement when he was still in office. he's the one who changed the vote so they could confirm neil gorsuch with 50 votes. mitch mcconnell has done more for donald trump than donald trump has done for mitch mcconnell. and in a way, when they talk about health care and the legislative process, both are right. trump makes it clear every day that he doesn't quite understand the realities and the slowness of legislating. but, you know, the president also has a point when he says that republicans talked about repealing and replacing obamacare for seven years and have yet to deliver on that. that is obviously a true statement, as well. >> kelsey, so now you've got republicans in congress who find themselves in quite the uncomfortable spot. this is illinois republican adamkinsinger this morning on "morning joe." take a listen. >> i wish the president, instead of going after mcconnell and whatever the ball is of the day,
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the shiny red ball, stick to this one message and unite the american people. >> and just a few minutes ago, there was this tweet from maine's senator, susan collins. majority leader mitch mcconnell understands the senate is a deliberative and diverse body. he enjoys broad support in our caucus. we've heard from a number of other senators over the past couple of days. all of them seem to be siding with mitch mcconnell in this public spat. is that the sense you're getting from other lawmakers on the hill, as well, that if they've got to choose between trump and mcconnell, it's a no-brainer? >> it's certainly the case in the senate. i think klinzinger may be one of a smaller group in the house. there's an ongoing tension. this is an age-old story that the house and senate, no matter who is in charge, they like to blame each other when things go wrong. and there's a little bit of a feeling from the house that mcconnell should have done more on health care. but he absolutely has support in the senate. and it's important to remember that mcconnell, his leadership is not up to the president.
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his presence in congress is not up to the president. it's up to the voters in kentucky, and his leadership is up to the republicans in the senate. and as you said, we keep seeing more and more republicans in the senate saying they back mcconnell. that they think he's the right choice. so they -- it does put them in an uncomfortable situation to choose between the president and the leader. but they're also not happy with the way the president behaved during health care. he basically threatened senator lisa murkowski. people felt like it was, you know, a -- a less than stellar performance by the white house in selling the senate health care bill. and, you know, if they have to choose at this point, it seems natural that they would go with mcconnell. >> kelsey snow, eli okay? els, enjoy the weekend. >> thanks. locked and loaded. president trump, again, ratcheting up the rhetoric today against north korea. but is he playing with fire? also, national emergency. at a press conference thursday, president trump throwing the weight of the white house behind
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and for an anti overdose medication in an epidemic that claims over 130, 140 lives a day. i want to bring in dr. john torres. so once this declaration is executed, dr. torres, what then happens? >> it totally depends on what happens during the execution and what's actually on that paperwork. when they declare an emergency, the president has a lot of leeway to put in there what he or she thinks we need in order to get through this. and so it's going to depend on what they actually put down on the paper. essentially what it does is a couple things. it frees up money, helps get drugs into the hands of people who need the drugs and frees up regulation. so some of these regulations that stifle hospitals from treating certain people, treating in certain areas, it gets rid of those. at least waves them for a little bit so they can go into areas. swine flu in 2009, it let them put temporary emergency rooms in different parts of the areas, because they were able to get through the regulations that way. >> beyond the funding for treatment, beyond the enforcement, talk to me about
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how this move to declare an emergency could impact doctors, could impact the prescribing of medications? >> i think what you're going to see happen here, craig, there is going to be a lot more emphasis on doctors and getting them trained in proper pain management techniques to not only make sure that people don't start getting addicted but to treat the ones that are addicted right now. obviously, that's a big step in the direction of getting everything under control, is getting the prescriber to understand watbetter how to do these things. >> six states have declared states of emergency. the president's announcement, what is that going to mean for places like arizona and florida and maryland and virginia? >> the important thing here is that the states are still going to get to do what they wanted to do, and they have been doing all along. and they're trying to do for the future. it's going to give them more information, more money, more management personnel. it's going to give them more power to do these things and more ability to do these things. and so it's not going to take away from the states, it's going to add to the states and make it national. so that means a lot of emphasis, a lot of personnel, a lot of
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things are going to develop to get it under control. >> i want to ask you the same question i asked a couple days ago. and, again, this is truly a national tragedy. but, you know, two decades ago in this country, you had lots of folks who look like me who were dying in d.c. and chicago, and l.a. in greater numbers than what we're seeing right now as a result of the crack cocaine epidemic that plagued this country. it seems as if we are treating this particular drug crisis differently than we treated that one. why? >> and i think we are treating it differently, and i think it's because of where it's hitting and who it's hitting. because it can hit anyone, anywhere, any time. that one could, too. and the big thing you have to remember is an overdose and an overdose death is a death, regardless of where it is. and so trying to get that under control through legislation -- >> law enforcement. >> and treatment. this one is focusing more on treatment. there are a lot of parallels between the two and there are a few differences. >> is that because -- and i
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don't want to put you on the spot as i put you on the spot. is that because a lot of the folks dying as a result of opioid overdoses in this country don't look like me? >> and it could be in part because of the fact that people that die from overdoses, a lot of people look at that, and say, well, they started that on their own, and did it themselves. whereas with this one they're saying, well, it was a legal method they started with, and that legal method turned into this drug problem. >> answering tough questions for us on this friday. thank you, sir. >> you bet. president trump offering a fresh threat of force against north korea today. is mirroring the rhetoric of north korea's unpredictable leader, is that really a smart strategy? first up, some trump voters in the swing state of pennsylvania talking to "morning joe"'s lewis burgdorf about whether they would vote for him again. >> you would vote for him again tomorrow, if you had to. >> i don't know about that one. >> you better believe it. >> got to give the guy a chance. he ain't been in there that long. >> it would depend on who he was running against.
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yesterday, he talked about every subject including scolding north korea. >> every time the pentagon war games one of those scenarios, the u.s. and their south korean allies win at great cost and in some estimates up to one million casualties. >> what about this particular policy as it relates to north korea and how it has changed. >> the tone of the rhetoric like fire and fury. it raises the risk of miscalculation. >> it's really, really rare to see the president attack the majority leader of their own party. mcconnell will be necessary for trump to get all of the things done -- >> this is something that we have seen the president do over and over again. when he feels criticized or
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blamed for something, he likes to shift the blame to other people. >> and a hat tip to our team of editors that turned that around so quickly. joan walsh and david jolly. we're calling this joan and jolly. >> i'm jolly too. it's friday. >> i want to play one more clip. >> if you want to appear crazy, you're not going to outcrazy kim jong un. >> could his comments be strategy? >> no. i know you're not allowed to give one word answers on television, but we asked this so many times, is it strategy, is he tweeting to distract us. we are not missing anything. this is who he is and what he
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does. i don't know about your relatives and friends not in journalism, but i have family asking me should i be nervous? but people are really raising the attention level in the country and the world. >> folks that live on the island of guam, getting pamphlets, don't worry about here is what to do. they are saying the senator and his staff have not been briefed, apparently they are briefed in times of escalating tensions and they asked for a update we're told. what do you make of that? >> i think it's an indication that this president continues to take a cavalier approach to all things. these are messages at times that
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need to be sent but they are done behind closed doors. mattis said let's let diplomacy work. the president is going to return to washington likely on monday and we should look for it to center on a national security council briefing or the president might be trying to achieve the optics of a full briefing at the pentagon. they said by mid august they might strike guam. if you believe there is any moral equivalency, the reality is a commander and chief has to be prepared should north korea take action. >> one of the things especially striking to myself and others, the president is making these comments and next to him is his new chief of staff that is supposed to be reigning him in. >> it seems like secretary kelly has basically lost this battle already. and there are reports that he
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feels that way, that he didn't know exactly what he was taking on, but how could he not? we all did. this suggests that he is not changing. that general kelly cannot get the pivot that we're looking for. we're never missing strategy, and he will have to decide how far to go with this project. >> the back and forth for this senate majority leader, who wins? >> i will quote lindsey graham for you. mcconnell will win and here is why. president's come and go, senators die in office. president trump can think he is in charge, but he is not. >> david jolly, thank you for being us, my friend. we'll be right back.
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unleashed more this morning and his words are our words of the day. locked and loaded. >> the dangerous war of words continues this morning with the president tweeting "military solutions are now fully in place, locked and loaded." >> the president of the united states used the afraid locked and loaded is not good. >> we started with fire and fury, now fully locked and loaded. >> the president saying the military is locked and loaded in the region, they always are. the motto in that region is ready to fight tonight. >> today is locked and loaded, it's like the president is branding this like a summer block buster sequel, like a movie title. >> the language being hurled is getting more belacose by the hour. yesterday on the stops of his golf

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