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white supremacists and some of his own party stew over what they see as not just a political failure but a moral one. that's not everybody in the gop. some leaders still silent. democrats almost universally outraged. the president's own advisors stunned. so, where does this go from here as the white house try to clean up as some describe as a stain that is not going away. what did the president mean by the term he used, alt-left. within the next hour, a memorial for this woman. heather heyer. the 32-year-old killed in the aftermath of that white nationalist protest. a lot to get to in the next 60 minutes with our team set up and ready to go. kasie hunt and tom costello joining us, as well. how the white house is handling damage control today. >> well, it is damage control and there are people who will acknowledge that it is. and that is for this white house, something that is in and of itself a bit different.
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they recognize that the president's decision to take a bunch of questions and to respond in the way that he did is causing a whole ripple effect of substantial problems for this administration. they will point to things like the fact that the department of justice is proceeding with an investigation. is looking at things like a civil rights investigation. as a way to show that the trump administration broadly is responding to this in a way that to many americans will be viewed as sensitive and appropriate to the facts that we know. the president who remains in new york and will go back to his bedminister home later today. we don't expect tasee him at this point for any public event. as you know as well as anyone the president can change his mind on that at any point. there are those around the president who are believing that a little breathing space would be helpful at this point. at the same time looking to try to argue that it is a media issue that there has been
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hysteria. that's the kind of word that they would use about the coverage and saying that the president did, in fact, try to say some of the things that the country was looking for in terms of denouncing some of these groups. the one thing, hallie, he has not done is say i do not want the support of these groups and very often when these sorts of figures are attracted to a political leader, they will denounce the support. we have not heard the president do that yet. >> kelly o'donnell live in front of trump tower. talking about the fallout with the president. with us now kasie hunt back for another day and in person former rnc chairman michael steele. plus our panel for the next 60 minutes. white house reporter for the associated press jonathan and catherine rample. today we saw on "sod" show in an exclusive interview john kasich not even waiting for a question before talking about what he thought of all this.
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listen. >> john kasich has been a vocal critic of president trump's and ran against him for the republican nomination. governor kasich, good it see you. good morning. >> pathetic, isn't it? just pathetic listening to this. >> so, we know how john kasich feels. the governor very clear on this. a lot of reaction from members of the gop and a lot of nonreaction and not a ton of lawmakers out there defending the president today. >> there are not people out that i can find aside from the white supremacist corners who are defending the way that he put these things last night. i mean paul ryan came out -- >> remarkable sentence. >> i think this is clearly, i think we are all grappling with what is a very remarkable period of time. look, i think republicans, in particular, are really grappling about what this means for a party that a lot of them love to call the party of lincoln. and, you know, michael steele has been a member of that party for a long time. and i think that you are seeing a little bit of parsing and some criticism from democrats of
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republicans who are not using the president's name. who are simply calling out extremists, extremism and you do have some republicans who are saying, look, mr. president, this is wrong. democrats are using longer language than they ever had. there is deafening sigh lns and you and i talked about this off set for mitch mcconal and his wife, elaine cho who stood by at that press conference last night at trump tower that you attended and answered some questions afterward, as well. essentially saying she stood by the president. her two men, i think, was the phrase. >> we'll talk about that in a second but i want to sort of bring in another voice here, which is the president's voice and play a little bit of what he had to say over the last 24 hours when he talked about, the line that has so many, as you're talking about republicans and democrats reacting today. >> i think there's blame on both sides. you look at, you look at both sides. i think there's blame on both sides. and i have no doubt about it and you don't have any doubt about it either.
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>> they showed up in charlottesville -- >> excuse me. you had some very bad people in that group. but you also had people that were very fine people. on both sides. >> you were on this network reacting in realtime to that as it was happening live. >> yeah. i echo governor kasich's pathetic. i talked earlier in the week about the president having a lincoln moment speaking of the party of lincoln. given the history of this party in battling against the systemic issues around race over time. and to have the president sort of double down the way he did puts into question a lot for republicans right now. and, you know, for african-american republicans inside the administration, where is your voice? i haven't heard a peep. and despite the fact that there aren't a lot, there are some.
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and, so, you know, you've got amarosa who heads up the president's outreach. how are you going to outreach behind this? what are you going to go and say to pe when the president stands more with those who alienate those communities, who want to kill many in those communities. how do you have that conversation now? >> would you have expected to hear from some of the president's advisors who are members of the african-american community by now? is this something that you thought you'd see by this time? >> today is wednesday. this happened over the weekend. so, yeah -- >> you're referring to the comments not just the press conference. >> not just the press conference. this goes back to that moment on saturday where literally the world changed. it turned on a dime right there when the president could not even effectively acknowledge what all of us were watching. >> let's talk about the president's -- what you might call i heard some advisors, some insiders describe as a relitigation and explanation from the president yesterday about what he originally said on
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saturday. >> i wanted to make sure, unlike most politicians, that what i said was correct. not make a quick statement. the statement i made on saturday, the first statement, was a fine statement. but you don't make statements that direct unless you know the fact. it takes a little while to get the facts. you still don't know the facts. and it is a very, very important process to me. >> the point that i tried to sort of yell to the president in that moment was friday night the night before there was coverage on every, i believe, network of the torched tiki torch rally from these white nationalists who were marching in charlottesville. >> i was in the room yesterday just like you were. our reporting the president was very happy with his statement on saturday. and also as an aside, he is not one to take time to react to things. we are seen him on twitter immediately chime in on world events. it doesn't quite fly that he
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decided this was a very tentative statement and he wanted to deliver his real one later. he was happy with his statement saturday and privately upset over the weekend and he thought the media had made too much of this. he was sort of pushed into his statement at the white house by his advisors who said, you need to clean this up. this is going to be too politically damaging. yesterday was his way of lashing out. what i said originally was fine. we saw him yesterday pull out his original statement and read from it. >> before i got on set i was running around like you guys saw because i was on the phone with somebody who said, yeah, you know who puts the president's statement in his pocket. the president. he pulled it out. he had his statement ready. nobody else did that for him. he did that for him. when we talk about damage control with this white house. kelly od'donnell is back from trump tower. you are seeing some people in the president's orbit responding on twitter and online. there is one new tweet that is, let's say, raising some
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eyebrows. what's going on? >> this is the sort of the people who are the loyalists in the trump orbit who are reacting and being defensive of the president and of themselves, as well. michael cohen has been a long-time attorney for the president in his life before politics. michael cohen put up a tweet today. there you see it. it's a montage of photos of himself with persons of color and he talks about supporting the president. does not make him racist. and new to nbc news, michael cohen gives us an additional comment that gives us some insight into his thinking and what it is like on this day after for people who are supportive of this president. i know president trump, michael cohen, says and his heart. he is a good man and doesn't have a racist bone in his body. all morning i'm receiving comments about being anti-black, racist for supporting trump. it's just wrong. trump is not a racist and neither am i. the attacks against him and all of us who are supporting him are
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disgusting, disgraceful and i denounce white nationalism and hatred of anyone based on race, religion, creed. it gives you a sense of the emotional backlash and the discomforting position that people who are friends of the president or in his orbit are feeling today. guilt by association, if you will. condemnation by association andand so you have someone like michael cohen speaking out for himself today as well as the president to say that some of the comments, the imagery and the things that are going on are not the person he knows. that just gives you some window into how people, loyal to the president, are trying to handle the fallout and the damage control, which is where we began our conversation earlier. hallie? >> thank you very much. i will open it up to the table. >> i will add that we don't know what's in his heart. we don't know if he's in an avowed racist and he supports the statements of the neo-nazis and white supremacists.
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>> you're talking about the president? >> the president. >> he has condemned, he said that. >> with great hesitation. if you remember during the campaign, he hesitated to condemn david duke and he has used lots of -- >> ultimately did condemn david duke. >> it took him a while. whether or not he believes this stuff, he clearly harnessed these forces of the alt-right, great amounts in his rhetoric and among his supporters to pave his way to the white house. even if he's not personally a racist, hey, he's got a black friend, a jewish friend, whatever. i'm not sure it's any better for him to sort of turn a blind eye and say i'm going to dance with the ones that brought me. >> you're nodding. >> no, i was agreeing with her point about where trump is on this. but this is, this is my -- putting up a picture, you know, profiling with some black folks. that doesn't say anything to me. i don't know what the point of
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that was in the cohen tweet to be honest. i have no idea. take a picture with white people all the time. doesn't say anything other than i took a picture with some white folks. this is the simplicity and stupidity of dealing with race. when you think that i put up a photograph, it absolves all the sins and becomes an immediate savon, we have been trying to heal since reconstruction and this wound has been pricked open again by this president. and the country has to come to grips with now at this hour we're prepared to do the heavy lift of actually confronting this issue and calling it for what it is. i don't, you know, calling these folks fine people is a load of crap. they're not fine people. they're people who undermine the very fabric of who we are and what we stand for. if that's where you want to stand, mr. president, you stand alone. because the rest of us cannot
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stand with you. so, putting up a photograph with black folks and saying i'm not a racist, i don't know your back story. don't care about your back story. that's not what solves this moment for me. >> is this country prepared to have that conversation? can we? do we know how to? >> if you look at the videotape that the neo-nazis and kkk are putting out. they want to have a race war. they want to take this to the streets. they are going to be protesting this coming weekend in cities around the country. what are we prepared to do about that? what happens if another person gets killed in the process of this? this is the reality we need to deal with. >> what is the obligation for leaders that are not named donald trump? >> i will not tell you. >> lay into it. >> the obligations right now for the members of my party is remember your history. remember how the party was formed. what it was formed out of. it was formed out of abolishing the very thing that this president seems to align himself with. and if we're not prepared to
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stand up against that -- >> to answer your question. there are tests coming for these leaders. for leaders across the country because this is not going to be isolated to charlottesville. we are now having conversations about confederate memorials across the country inside the u.s. capital itself. i would point out confederate monuments that would have to be removed by the states. make decisions on where to those place those. you have potential issues in memphis. mitch mcconnell will face an issue in his own home state and they are watching that very closely. lexington, kentucky, is talking about what to do with some monuments placed in front of a public building, a courthouse. every single one of those instances is a test for the leaders in both the president's own party and for other parties across the country. a lot of monuments are in heavily conservative republican areas in the south. look at a map of where these monuments are. those people will face real
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tests and say a lot to all of us on how they handle it. >> also speaking of standing with the president. this is a time to watch white house staff. this is a time to watch cabinet members. is there going to be someone who says i can't stand behind what the president said yesterday. >> so far, there hasn't been. we heard a lot from folks inside the administration. >> lots of blind quotes of people being dismayed and that was unplanned. he told people upstairs, i am going to go back up. he called inaudible at the podium and answered questions. we now are half day, half a day later and no one has put their name to anything saying object to what he said and no one has resigned and no one suggested they're not okay with what the president did. >> we have a lot more of this conversation to get to coming up later in the show. including a lot we didn't get to because of a conversation that we were having and context that is important to this. i want to thank you for coming
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on. kasie hunt, thank you. here in new york for the week. . jonathan and catherine will stick around for a little bit. president trump laid blame, some of it, at least, on what he called the ult-lefalt-left. what was wrong and what was not? next. not this john smith. or this john smith. or any of the other hundreds of john smiths that are humana medicare advantage members. no, it's this john smith. who we paired with a humana team member to help address his own specific health needs. at humana, we take a personal approach to your health, to provide care that's just as unique as you are. no matter what your name is.
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>> do you think that what you call the alt-left is the same as neo-nazis? >> those people, all of those people, excuse me, i've condemned neo-nazis.
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i've condemned many different groups. but not all of those people were neo-nazis. believe me. not all of those people were white supremacists. >> so, that's president trump there parsing the people who attended the white nationalist rally in charlottesville over the weekend describing some of the counterprotesters before that is what he described as what he heard him call the alt-left. in these remarks, what did the president get right and wrong. to share it with us i'm joined by tom costollo who is on the ground in charlottevilles since saturday when all of this happened. so, walk us through it. >> well, it happened right here. this is the robert e. lee statue here in charlottesville and we have heard from witnesses including nbc news people on the ground and there are people on both sides that are clearly antagonizing each other and some came prepared to do battle. there is a view in many a
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destingz. on one side kkk members, white supremacists who are quite literally screaming an ideology who has killed over 100 millions or so. on the other side the anti-hate protesters who in the case were mostly young people. many of them students and they were fighting against, in their view, racism and anti-semitism. friday night in charlottesville. >> if you look, they were people protesting very quietly the taking down of the statue of robert e. lee. >> reporter: but, in fact, friday's march on the university of virginia campus was anything but quiet. as white nationalists in a scene reminiscent of 1930s germany. chanting racial and religious
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hatred, some even throwing the nazi salute. many locals say it was terrifying. the mayor denouncing the march as unsaunnctioned calling it intimidation. the next morning they gathered, again, targeting the robert e. lee statue which the city wants to take down. >> you had some bad people in that group. but you also had people who were very fine people on both sides. >> reporter: in fact, the event was organized by white nationalists many dressed in carrying gloves, shields and weapons. >> i'm carrying a pistol. i go to the gym all the time. i'm trying to make myself more capable of violence. i'm here to spread ideas, talk. in the hopes that someone more capable will come along and do that. >> so, donald trump -- >> more racist than donald trump. >> reporter: police say the
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white nationalists failed to stick to an agreement on where to demonstrate. soon they were doing battle with counterprotesters. >> if you do not disperse immediately, you will be arrested. >> what about the alt-left. what about the fact that they came charging with clubs in their hands, swinging clubs. >> reporter: in fact, that's true. witnesses tell nbc news there were people on both sides who seemed ready for a fight. some counterprotesters were armed with clubs, some with pepper spray. >> communists. >> reporter: but who is to blame for the violence? charlottesville police chief al thomas. >> do you believe that one side was more responsible than the other for instigating the violence? >> this was an alt-right rally. >> reporter: who allegedly killed heather heyer, yet the president suggested both sides share equal blame. but in charlottesville -- >> the president's mistaken. there are no good nazis. >> reporter: mr. trump's comments are not sitting well
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with many. >> certainly doesn't bring us together and emboldens these people that are not in favor of bringing our society together. >> so, tom, when the president uses a phrase like the alt-left. can you give us any insight into what that may mean? >> well, we looked into the origins of this word and it turns out this really began in november of last year on alt-right websites. on hard right wing websites and then it quickly made its way into the vunacular of fox news and sean hannity. that's who started using the term alt-left because they were trying to draw parallels to the self-described alt-right. we haven't found anybody on the left that call themselves the alt-left. >> tom, thank you very much. i want to bring in msnbc political analyst hugh hewitt who is host of the hugh hewitt show who is joining us now.
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hugh, thank you very much for being here. i think you heard tom's piece there. i know you heard what the president had to say in that back and forth at the trump tower lobby yesterday. i want to play you just a little bit more of what he had to say about this topic. >> what about the alt-left that came charging, as you say, the alt-right. do they have any semblance of guilt? what about the fact that they came charging with clubs in their hands, swinging clubs. do they have any problem? i think they do. >> hugh, in your view was the president trying to equivocate here? >> the president is stumbling towards some kind of incoherent explanation of what he wants to try to communicate. i spent three hours this morning, hallie, at my radio show talking to trump supporters and trying to explain to them. you can never dilute the condemnation of white supremacy. you always have to be focused, complete and extraordinarily
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specific. and to go off point. and this is what the president does not gras. to dilute it in any way by bringing in the condemnation of any other group no matter who they are or what they did. the white supremacist, antisumettic fringe that was in charlottesville on friday night. now, i didn't know they were going there. i didn't know if you did. when i got off the plane in dallas this torch-lit parade shouting the jews will not replace us. i was stunned that this had happened and no one had sort of prepared the news media for it. but the president clearly does not understand that you can't -- i don't think he's a bigot or a racist. i've interviewed him a number of ati times. our colleague stephanie ruhle doesn't think he's a bigot. i don't know anyone who does who knows him. but he is profoundly indifferent to how his words sound and to the rules of communicating about
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race in america. and i got to tell you, so is his hard-core base. i heard from them all morning. i was wrong to not back up the president and it drives me crazy that his supporters don't understand. he's not helping himself or his agenda. >> tell me more about these conversations that you had on the show this morning. were you surprised by anything that you heard? >> yeah. i have been dealing with the hard-core trump supporter for a long time and i welcome them. they're not racist. they hate being accused of being racist. they are often civil rights era veterans. they want to combat donald trump. but they are in different to the fact that it doesn't work in america. you can't communicate this way in america. the scar of the 20th century is the nazi scar. the antisemettic scar that attacks israel daily. attacks jews around the world in terrible ways, almost weekly.
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can't be diluted in any way, shape or form. i am surprised that they refuse to hear this. now, i actually don't believe -- >> i don't want to interrupt you -- >> go ahead. i don't believe it's hurting the republican party. i believe that the average individual out there thinks that donald trump has a blind spot as big as any in the world gm car made in the '70s when it comes to race. but they don't think he is a bigot and i don't think they attribute it to the party of lincoln. but i think his hard-core supporters have got to realize he's hurting himself every time he does this. >> let me ask you the question that i just asked michael ste steele. is this country ready to have the conversation about race? >> i have been teaching common law for 25 years and we have that conversation every year when we dedo all th do all the led to the declaration of independence that all men are created equal. that is the conversation we always have.
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what is necessary is in the acceleration of the social media world, the amplification of of the extremes empowers them both. so people like you and me who have main stream platforms have to constantly condemn and minimize that amplification because it hurts the country to amplify and monetize the extremes. >> hugh hewitt, thank you very much for joining us here on this program. appreciate your perspective. we want taget neo get next of the stories we were talking about earlier in the show. we're talking about the alabama primary with a ton of national interest considering both the president and the senate majority leader got involved. why are democrats saying the overnight results are actually good for them? that's next. hey!
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so, during that commercial break an e-mail just popped into our inboxes here at nbc news and it is from a representative of mitch mcconnell coming out now with a statement about hate groups, his office says and reports of the lexington rally. the senate majority leader says the white supremacist, kkk and neo-nazi groups who brought hatred to charlottesville are planning a rally in lexington.
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messages of hate and bigotry are not welcome in kentucky and should not be welcome anywhere in america. again, this is a statement from mitch mcconnell who continues we can have no tolerance and no good neo-nazis and those who we all have a responsibility to stand against hate and violence wherever it raises its evil head. this is the first we're hearing from mitch mcconnell since the president's remarks yesterday afternoon. these comments unlike some others in the republican party do not explicitly call out the president by name. this is something we were talking about earlier in the show when kasie hunt was here, as well. we're continuing to follow this story. overnight, the city took down confederate monuments in several locations. four statues were removed in all. we're also keeping an eye on other cities. gainesville, florida, san antonio, texas, considering
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getting rid of similar monuments. following developing news out of hawaii. about 4:30 in the morning right now and the army now says a blackhawk helicopter carrying five service members has gone missing. an overnight training mission when it disappeared off shore. now a search happening with the marine corps and the coast guard. we'll keep you posted on that. back here on the mainland we're heading to the deep south to alabama where the battle to fill jeff session's senate seat is now headed to a runoff. president trump's preferred candidate senator luther strange will face off with roy moore after the special primary last night. for some analysis let's turn to my friend here in person, steve kornacki. where does this go? walk us through the next steps. >> the results last night. you mention president trump's candidate and luther strange, this is not an encouraging sign, hawnest honestly, if you're in the white house and you are trying to get
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luther strange. the appeal to republican voters, especially in alabama. very grassroots, anti-establishment appeal. while luther strange really is the candidate of the establishment and mitch mcconnell putting all his money and muscle behind him and the former governor and the disgraced former governor of alabama and robert bentley pled guilty to two misdemeanors. he appointed strange a few months ago and looks like republican voters in alabama looked in this preliminary and much more of this grassroots anti-establishment type. president trump, we like you because his approval rating is high with republicans in alabama. but we're not buying it. a lot of ground to luther strange they have to make up in this run hp off election. i can show you. look at the map. this runoff is going to come down to one area, in particular. the northern tier of alabama. why is this key? this is the fifth congressional district. mo brooks you just saw his name on the screen a moment ago. he was the third candidate.
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he got about 20% and won't be in the runoff. off his supporters are up for grabs and heavily concentrated up here. this is his congressional district. bad news for luther strange. his supporters, brooks supporters tend to be more anti-establishment and more the dpra grassroots type and some ground to make up. the democrats had a preliminary yesterday. this is the candidate, the democratic establishment wanted to win. he got more than 50%. he advances to the general election, doug jones, democrat. this might be a bit of a stretch, but democrats say if roy moore very controversial wins that republican primary, maybe, maybe we can get lucky. this is the candidate they wanted. they face some very steep odds in trying to win a senate seat in alabama. >> a bit of a stretch? >> yeah. so you look at it this way. 1996, since then republicans undefeated in senate races. only one of them even competitive. >> steve at the big board. where you belong.
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>> thank you, my friend. coming up in the show. much more as we talk about these hate groups have been reacting to what the president had to say. there's been some praise. one member of the alt-right movement. one leader of it saying he's proud of the president. what happens when this happens? is it a national security issue? we're talking about that, coming up. but there will still be pain. it comes when your insurance company says they'll only pay three-quarters of what it takes to replace it. what are you supposed to do? drive three-quarters of a car? now if you had liberty mutual new car replacement™, you'd get your whole car back. i guess they don't want you driving around on three wheels. smart. with liberty mutual new car replacement™, we'll replace the full value of your car. liberty stands with you™. liberty mutual insurance. looking for a hotel that fits... whoooo. ...your budget? tripadvisor now searches over... ...200 sites to find you the... ...hotel you want at the lowest price. grazi, gino! find a price that fits.
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challenge. >> why? tough to top. someone died. >> i think a lot more people will die before we're done here. that extremely disturbing moment from vice news report from on the ground in charlottesville on saturday. my colleague jacob has spoken with another person who calls himself a white nationalist who reacted to some of what the president had to say. what did you hear? >> william johnson was the white nationalist who was briefly seated and quickly removed. they say it was because of a database error. an extremist in part because he wrote a constitutional amendment to deport all nonwhite residents of the united states. i sat down with him yesterday here in los angeles and the only way to describe it, he was thrilled with what donald trump had to say. take a look. >> okay, so, you have not seen this full thing od, right? >> that is correct. >> you had a group on one side that was bad and you had a group
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on the other side that was very -- >> that's exactly true. >> i wonder. is it george washington next week? >> wow, that is the most insightful comment i've heard. that's exactly true. no politician would ever say that, but it's true. >> i think there's blame on both sides and i have no doubt about it and you don't have any doubt about it either. >> he is the most honest president since george washington and the cherry tree. >> just watching all this and hearing trump say all that today, i mean, you got visibly excited. >> yes. that is an honest man saying what he believes in his heart. >> and do you believe that donald trump saying things like that will ultimately bring america closer to your goal of white? >> well, i think america needs to take a different direction. whether it needs to come into my direction. i don't know. we have a festering racial
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problem that's only going to get worse. i think hthe only solution is separation. donald rutrump is going to helps overcome the racial divide. i think that he will encourage fair-minded, deep-thinking people to realize that separation is the only way we can achieve racial goals. >> is there going to be more demonstrations, bigger demonstrations? more solidarity than ever before because of what he had to say? >> i think yesterday or saturday was a big, big setback because of the thing that that man did to kill that beautiful woman. so, i think there's going to be a setback. but, eventually, i believe more meetings and gatherings. but that might be six months down the road. >> would you all be here today and embolden as you have been without donald trump? >> i think the rank and file american is becoming more emboldened. >> to join your cause.
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>> to be proud of their heritage. whether it is white, confederacy or whatever it is. to be proud that you're white and to group together and want to support white issues. >> hallie, let me just repeat what william johnson said. he said donald trump will encourage people to realize that separation is the only way we can achieve racial goals. this is who president trump is exciting and energizing with the words he spoke yesterday. this is who is a man who is a part of a group that donald trump thinks has very fine people. they are no longer hiding in the shadows and they thank donald trump for that. >> so, jacob, there is i think a level of discomfort in giving oxygen to views like that. what did you learn from your conversation with him? >> that's what people have said to me, as well, on social media. i think the idea that sunlight is the best disinfectant if you are sitting at home and think donald trump is emboldening with comments like this because at other times he disavowed white supremacist or white
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nationalists or the kkk. at the same time he is energizing people, william johnson says he's innenergizinge rank and file of the white nationalist movement like they have never been energized before. if you ignore this, this type of conversation goes unnoticed. >> morgan radford is joining the conversation back here at 30 rock because you have been following the reaction at home and around the world and catherine and jonathan are back here with us, as well. what have you been hearing and what are you reporting on? >> hallie, we have been following this for a while. the reaction was swift. >> following the rise of the white nationalist movement and at home the reaction has been really, really swift. i want to show you headlines and editorials that we have seen this morning. you look at "new york times" mr. trump makes a spectacle of himself and then the editorial board of "washington post" and article titled the nation can only weep. tuesday was a great day for david duke and racists ever
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where. then trump doubling down on his unexcusable comments. take three on charlottesville and he follows obama's example of moral equivalence. what we found interesting we compare the sentiments within these editorials was a lot of people double down on this feeling that he provided this false equivalent. that he was really creating an equal platform for two ideas that people felt weren't equal. >> including something called the alt-right. a phrase, jonathan, that your organization as of today will no longer use. >> the associated press within the last 24 hours decided the two stay away from the phrase alt-right unless it's in a quote. the phrase alt-right should be avoided because it is meant as an euphemism and phrases like white supremacy and white nationalism provide a far more vivid and honest depiction of what these individual ames are than alt-right which is more of
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a branding term. >> what is interesting about this is alt-right was intended as a rebranding it is ironic it is so toxic and using the prefix alt that trump yesterday decided to create this new term the alt-left. while the white nationalists thought this would absolve them of their message, clearly, there are americans who are realizing that this brand stands for really awful things. >> morgan, quickly, what have you learned about international reaction? i'm interested in how our allies around the world are seeing this right now? >> doubling down on the terminology the alt-right and the alt-left. if you look at some of the reaction coming in abroad. the "jerusalem post" used this quote yesterday describing very fine people on both sides. and in it they said trump's inability to blame white supremacists could be the tipping point in his downfall.
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and tweet from a member of parliament in a country that is one of our closest allies and he said neo-nazi bad, antinazi good. you are seeing this reaction describe what we are in a very critical moment in this country. >> thank you for joining the conversation. jacob doing so from los angeles. i appreciate it. jonathan and catherine, i'll have you hang out for a minute because we're watching what is going to happen in the next 15 minutes or so which is charlottesville gathering to remember heather heyer. she is the woman who was killed when that alleged white supremacist drove his car into a crowd of people during this weekend's rally. now, the city is celebrating her life and mourning her death. we're taking you there live after the break. hundreds of dollars on youmy car insurance. saved me huh. i should take a closer look at geico... (dog panting) geico has a 97% customer satisfaction rating! and fast and friendly claims service. speaking of service? oooo, just out. it was in.
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exclusively with nbc news and pete williams. the timing of bringing federal charges against james fields jr. who is accused of killing heater heyer. we expect a memorial service to start any moment. we are watching it on the ground. >> reporter: we're expecting a huge turn out here. the theater itself has a capacity of about 1100. it's expected to be packed. people began lining up outside the theater several hours before this is set to begin. because of this huge turnout they are live streaming the event people who wanted to see it and honor heather. her family and her friends people who did not know her are expected to come here to this theater. one of the requests from the family is that they wanted mourners to wear purple in honor of heather. it was her favorite color. we've seen a number of people
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doing that here today. >> thank you very much. very quick final thoughts from jonathan and catherine >> watching the footage in charlottesville i remember the president's last answer. he was asked if he would visit charlottesville. his response was not about a visit or the life of the woman died but rather to note that he had a home in charlottesville and to claim it's one of the largest wineries in the nation. >> the scariest thing to me is how many participants were young people. you can imagine that there are a lot of older people who are fondly remembering the jim crow era, et cetera, and i'm very concerned that trump has emboldened a new generation of racists. >> thank you both for being with us. coming up, today's big picture. that's it? yeah. ♪ everybody two seconds! ♪ "dear sebastian,
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we are back with today's big picture which comes to us today from dover air force base in delaware. an air force airman standing with a casket draped with an american flag. remains of army sergeant alan stigler jr. from texas. he was one of two american soldiers killed by the blast. the other sergeant brooks from new york. stigler was awarded a bronze star and purple heart. the photographer here steve york
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for the ap. people on the ground fighting for this country every day. i would love to hear your thoughts. i'll respond to some of it if i can after the show. i turn it over to velshi and ruhle. >> good morning. i'm stephanie ruhle. >> it's wednesday, august 16th, 2017. let's get started. >> what about the alt-left that came charging, as you say at the alt-right? do they have any semblance of guilt? >> what about the fact they came charging -- that they came charging with clubs in their hands? do they have any problem? i think they do. you had a group on the other side that came charging in without a permit and they were very, very violent. i condemned neo-nazis. i condemned many different groups. not all of those people were neo-nazi, believe me. not all of those people were white

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