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last five days has made clear there's no place for white supremacists in this country, whether people in the street, people on tv we talk to, the military, his own advisers, donald trump is a lonely man right now. >> the american story is now being told not by the president of the united states but by the american military, prominent business people, by public people who are willing to stand up and speak about what this country is all about. >> now is the time, mika, to be counted. >> step up. that does it for thus morning. stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage right now. >> thanks, mika. hi, there. i'm stephanie ruhle. this morning we have a lot to get through, starting with the businessman president losing his businessmen, forced to dissolve who two advisory councils to cover the fact that those business leaders already dumped him. >> i'm endorsed by some of the greatest business people in the world. >> more cities, more statues. the calls for removal of confederate memorials drawing protesting around the country. >> those people now desecrating the historical monuments.
they need to get a life and go on. >> and did steve bannon pull a scaramucci 2.0 and accidentally go on the record with a reporter? >> i like mr. bannon. he's a friend of mine. >> we have to begin this morning with the biggest names in corporate america turning their backs on president trump in the wake of charlottesville. these are men and women that control half a trillion dollars in the u.s. and saying they can no longer work with this president and they're not the only ones. we have a great team to break it down this morning. first i want to walk you through this. by the time the president disbanded his economic advisory council, it was clear he didn't have a choice. most of the members had already quit. it started with merck's ceo ken frazier, dropping out of the manufacturing council monday morning. within minutes, the president slammed him on twitter, accusing merck of ripping off customers. but other ceos wouldn't be scared off so easily.
frazier was followed by under armour and intel and the heads of campbell soup and 3m were gone by wednesday. richard trumka dropped out telling cbs the council was infoich anyway and they hadn't even met. president trump called them grandstanders and said they would be replaced but the writing was on the wall. by tuesday night, at least nine members simply sick of it, well, they turned on the president's strategy and policy forum and decided to quit. they told their chairman steve schwartzman, the head of blackstone, and he told the white house, jared kushner, to dissolve the whole thing. in the end, charlottesville was the straw that broke the this cam camel's back. these ceos had schwall slowed the decision to leave the paris accords, the immigration policy and the travel ban, but this, the president, doubling down on his comments from saturday were just too much. on the one hand, this simply means the end of tw business councils, one that never even
metaphor mali, but think about the other. this shows a deepening divide between the president and pro business leaders. it's extraordinary. this is his agenda -- tax reform, deregulation, exactly in their wheelhouse, and now they're leaving, troubling on both sides. i want to turn to nbc's kristen welker live in bridgewater, new jersey. kristen, this is amazing. the decision -- i'm not even going to call it president trump's decision. he was told by schwartzman, he then ran to twitter. the fact those councils are now over, this is a big deal and the fallout, are we really going to see the president continue to go after them? >> i wouldn't be surprised, steph. you're absolutely right. he tried to preempt the fact that they were about to announce publicly what they had told him privately, which is they were disbanding those two councils, jobs and manufacturing councils, and the president really at war with the very people he used to call colleagues, steph. that's why this is so devastating. he ran as the jobs president.
so losing the backing of these top ceos really raises questions about whether or not he can actually follow through with achieve the agenda he wants to when it comes to tax reform, infrastructure reform. we're tracking that backlash as well as growing backlash within the republican party, a number of republicans calling him out by name, but a lot of republicans deciding not to call him out by name, two former president bushs essentially saying they stand on the side of equality and justice and denouncing those white supremacists. and then you have senators like lindsey graham who have taken aim at president trump. the president returning fire this morning on twitter. what he had to say to lindsey graham, a frequent critic of his. he said publicity-seeking lindsey graham falsely stated i said there is moral equivalency between the kkk, neo-nazis, white supremacist and people like miss heyer.
a disgusting lie. he can't forget his election trouncing. the people of south carolina will remember. guess what, lindsey graham responded moments ago. we have that statement from lindsey graham. he says in part because of the manner in which you have handled the charlottesville tragedy you are now receiving praise from some of the most racist and hate-filled individuals and groups in our country. for sake of our nation, as our president, please fix this. so strong words back and forth. the president taking on business leaders and republicans. the "usa today" out with this, calling on congress not just to criticize the president but censure him. this is the "usa today" editorial reading the political chasm between democrats and republicans may be wider than ever but when it comes to ideologies of hate and racism, the nation's leaders need to speak forcefully with one voice. president trump tweeted
overnight he'll be holding a campaign-style rally in phoenix, arizona, next tuesday, getting a lot of pushback from the mayor of phoenix who's asking him not to come, and it also comes as the president is taking aim at arizona senator jeff blake, one of his critics, saying this about him. great to see that dr. kelly ward is running flens flake, who is weak on borders, crime, and a nonfactor in the senate. he's toxic. this morning the president defiant and unapologetic, steph. >> jeffrey sonnenfeld, senior associate dean at yale school of management, evan siegfried, republican strategist, james patterson, msnbc contributor and professor at -- >> lehigh. >> my school, lehigh university. and rashad robinson, executive director of color of change, an organization focused on racial justice. jeffrey, how big of a deal is it in your opinion that the business leaders have separated from trump? i mean, they were waiting for this. they needed an excuse. >> you really laid the groundwork here brilliantly on
your own shows with michelle walls weather brian williams. i don't know when you sleep, stephanie, but you were so prescient in announcing exactly that trump was not a fortune 500 business leader. he would masquerade as one. he was basking in the glory of their triumphs but he wasn't in their stature. this thanks to ken frazier of merck and then the moral courage shown by other business leaders that followed him a little bit late but did follow him, they've denuded the emperor, taken away his toolkit so, represent that. and this bullying tactic he's been using and obviously trying with jeff flake and lindsey graham again now has fallen flat with the business community because they have rallied together. the old benjamin franklin admonition if we don't hang together we shall surely hang separately, sadly many republican leaders don't seem to be awar of the fact that they still get one off and the business leaders are tired of ford versus gm, boeing versus lockheed, pfizer versus merck or russia versus china, canada versus mexico, whatever he does,
they used to work in the schoolyard for him seems to still be working for first six months, it's backfiring now. >> what could it cost them? president trump is no stranger to spite. you mentioned ken frazier, singled him out as a hero here. when i think of a guy like jamie diamond, who between deregulation, getting rid of dodd frank tax cuts, the president trump's pro business agenda could benefit a guy like jamie diamond to the tune of billions. could president trump now punish these guys? you know he's embarrassed. >> yeah. he's absolutely humiliated. this is -- his identity was draped around these business leaders as the first ceo to be commander in chief-this has really stripped that from him. losing those big names, yeah, you did see him selectively pushing accounts, people that favored him and you could see in aerospace and pharma and other businesses they were upset and felt they all needed to be there. he tried to drive a fissure
between bill ford and mark fields, let alone ford and gm. they're nervous about that before. now they're not. this was the -- i was afraid that business roundtable and the community, business community would miss the moment because collective action is the whole reason they exist. business roundtable was created in 1972 to create a positive force and image for business. instead they were letting ken frazier hang out there by himself. the closing line on hendrick gibson said the strongest person in the world is the person who can stand alone and ken has shown us he's the strongest person in the world, he can stand down the president. now these other business leaders, initially worried about being one off, now they hang together. they're all together with him. they of all taken the same positions. there are no contrary paths. i think that unanimity of the u.s. business community is remarkable. we've never seen this in american history to have a u.s. president shunned when the commander in chief usual bly asks for national service, everybody responds. in this case, we've never seen
this before. in every presidential administration we've had, chester balls, averill, ellsworth bunker, always had the business leader, great liaisons bringing the business community to the white house. now to turn their backs on the president, we've never seen it. is it irretrievable? no. but it will be hard to reweave this tapestry. things can be done but he's sacrificed the institutional trust, his most treasured asset was that trust. he separated the financial rs and it's gone. >> it's amazing when you think about bankers having a moral high ground just a few years after the subprime crisis. rashad, you led the hashtag quit the council. far lot of these ceos, it's not that easy because there are a lot of trump supporters out there. quit the council, that public pressure pushed a lot of them to make this move. but what do you do on the heels of it? i think if kevin klein made the decision after ken phraseer, ken plank had to endure at under armour, boycott under armour, when he didn't support president
trump but said he's got a pro business agenda for a ceo like me, that resulted in a massive boycott boycott. now that these companies have left, what could happen on the other stid? quit the council is done. what's the next one? buy their stuff? >> we praised the folks, especially the ones that left early and, you know, we of been doing this at color of change since about january where we started with behind the scenes conversations before we hit corporations public i and tried to push them and give them a chance. as more and more things continued to happen and donald trump gave them no sort of gifts in terms of his day in and day out news cycle of what he was saying, we kept going back to these corporations and saying -- >> and they are sick of getting your calls and mine. >> sick of getting calls and saying, hey, what are you going do? so when we -- as we launched this campaign, we gave more and more people the ability to engage, the ceos started calling us and said if we leave or their
pr representatives would call and say if we leave, will you stop the campaign? will you still attack us? and we said the goal of this campaign is to get you to stop enabling donald trump, to defect and move away. once you do that, this campaign is essentially over. the goal of this campaign and the goal of the work that we've been doing at color of change is pushing those in power to no longer be on the sidelines, to force people to have to make a choice, because when we look back at this moment 10, 15, 30 years from now, it will be the people who stood on moral high ground and said enough is enough and our country is better than that. >> are you on the right side of history. mitch mcconnell, "usa today" has a piece out that behind the scenes he's livid. but this is what kills me, this behind the scenes. if you're mitch mcconnell, you are a gop leader, evan, does it mat they're he's angry behind the scenes if he's not calling the president out by name? >> let's be honest with what's going on with the president here. he's isolated, impotent, lashing
out at everybody and has an overblown sense of grievance. >> evan just got honest. >> i wrote et it in "the new york daily news" on monday. i said he would lash out over the charleston situation and he did the next day. now that we have this moral crisis in america as a result of donald trump saying there are somer very fine natd sizis, you a problem where republicans are saying this is more of a policy problem. this is a personal problem. >> he did not say there are very fine nazis. we have to make that clear. >> i consider the alt-right nazis because i of gotten death dret threats from them when they put me in photo shops of me being in a gas chamber executed by donald trump. that is morally wrong. when he enables them and puts them into the mainstream, that is a crisis of morals at the highest. >> that is 100% right. evan is a republican. whooo does it mean for those with the courage to step out? the lindsey grahams, the jeff flakes who have called the
president out? >> might be sending him a check for a donation. one thing that was very scary was when jeff flake came out about three weeks ago and said we should start holding the president accountable. there are democrats who said how dare you d that because that's not to the level we want, you need to be voting on democratic issues. if you were a democrat in arizona, send jeff flake a check and start supporting him because donald trump came out and sate let's vote for kel ly ward, a woman who thinks that john mccain should step down because he has cancer and doesn't have the capacity to serve. for the love of what is moral and right, vote for jeff flake. it's question of policy differences, not moral differences. >> i mean, evan's not kidding. for president trump to back the alt-right, the alt-right does represent white nationalists, those who are anti-immigrants. it's extraordinary. we notknow that the president h
pleased that narrow base. can he do anything to broaden it out, given the line he's taken following charlottesville? this isn't policy. this is morale. >> i'm not sure president trump is interested in making that move. there's been no indication so far he's interested in expanding beyond pandering to the base that we think of when we think about the alt-right. but this whole situation is like a microcosm of the trump presidency to me. at the end of the day, the business council piece was kind of symbolic, right. trump touts himself as this businessman. >> the majority of them did not support him during the campaign. >> they didn't. and the reality is their sort of idea about serving had to be reordered in this particular moment because business people make business decisions, right? transjendered americans buy under armour, muslim-americans buy campbell soup. there are folks across the spectrum of identity who make those companies what they are. jamie diamond is insulated from that a little bit because financial services and banking is a little different, but when
you're consumer product company, i've done consulting for these companies for the last decade or so. they're all talking about diversity and inclusion, all talking about globalism. the anti-globalist strain coming out of this administration doesn't make sense to these folks. >> what we've noticed in our campaign work is it's not just the consumer, it's the employees of these corporations. and we've actually engaged the employees through geotargeted ads, asking employees to speak out and raise their voices, particularly millennials and young people in the workplace who have different sort of values and different belief systems, telling them to speak out and demand different from their bossings. . >> it's called thoughtful leadership. >> there's this new edelman 2017-trust barometer points out that as political leaders, clergy and sadly even the media except for msnbc, have fallen away in terms of sources of public trust, still soaring, still strong are business leaders, ceos.
but especially as the panel is pointing out branded consumer goods have an elevated responsibility for trust in the eyes of the surveyed public. >> all right, gentlemen. twoef leave it there. call it social responsibility. not living in h.r. anymore. it matters to your bottom line. next, protests erupt around the country as more towns debating removing confederate statues and president trump just tweeted about it. we'll go live the two cities on edge. but before we go, there is one thing you may have forgotten about. president trump's charlottesville comments. jimmy fallon didn't forget. >> this is him on vacation! he can't even get vacation right. imagine coming back to the office, how was your vacation? it was good. i defended nazis. what did you d? isaac hou has mastered gravity defying moves to amaze his audience. great show. here you go.
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sad to see the history and culture of your great country being ripped apart with the removal offensively our beautiful statues and monuments. you can't change history, but you can learn from it. robert e. lee, stonewall jackson, who's next, washington, jefferson? so foolish. waiting for a third tweet on the topic. maybe he's getting it straight from a fox news teleprompter. we have reporters in two of those cities. stephanie gosk in lexington, kentucky, and mariana atencio in memphis. stephanie, first this lexington, give us an update. what is it like? i know city council is expected to vote tonight. >> reporter: they are expected to vote on the removal of two statues here, two statutes, one, john hunt morgan, who was a confederate general, and the other, john c. breckinridge, the last confederate secretary of war. it has this city on edge because of the controversy you've already seen around the country and they're worried this is going to be a flashpoint for
violence. and the police chief already reaching out to people, asking for advice on what they should do in terms of charlottesville, talking to the police chief in charlottesville on what to expect. and you have interestingly this city and its mayor, jim gray, and this is a democratic city, a liberal city, one of the only ones in kentucky that voted a large majority for donald trump. he is making a big push to remove these statues. in fact, pushing up the time line. he's come down very strongly and the theory is that tonight this vote will go in his favor. it then gets kicked to a group called the kentucky military heritage commission. so unlike baltimore where those statues were essentially ferried away in the middle of the night, that can't happen here nape need to get this commission to sign off on the statues. but this is a difficult conversation in kentucky and to get an idea of where the politicians here fall, listen to what the governor matt bevin had to say on this issue earlier today.
i'm being told we actually don't have his sound, i apologize, but he actually stopped short of saying whether or not he agreed these statues should be removed, saying that we have to appreciate our history and be measured as we try to remove those symbols, echoing what donald trump just tweeted. that is a conversation here and a conversation that's happening across the country. steph? >> marianna, give us an update. we know that the mayor has weighed in last night. >> reporter: the mayor finally came out last night, told the local affiliate, stephanie, he wants these statues removed. the city, in fact, voted unanimously to remove these confederate monuments in 2015, but like stephanie explained, the law in tennessee, the state law impedes them from doing it right away. you have anti-monument protesters yesterday, however, in full force at city hall with a list of demands for mayor,
asking the mayor to remove these monuments immediately and to find a legal loophole. we went around town talking to southerners in memphis about what they thought of the ceos backing out of the president's business council in the wake of his remarks about charlottesville. this is what one woman told us about what she thinks these ceos did. let's listen. >> this country has seen a decline in real men, and i think that's what we have. we have a bunch of girly men is what i call them and that's what they have, go with the flow and do whatever, that's what i think. i don't really think a whole lot about them. >> reporter: on the other hand, we also spoke to a millennial, and this is what she says the country needs to move forward from this. let's hear that perspective. >> i think the first step would be admitting that there is a problem and not chalking it up to people being overly sensitive. our history is still pretty
entrenched in the -- well, the racism that was really evident, especially this area. >> reporter: one of the statues in the midst of the controversy is this one behind me. in this park you have this bust and his remains in this park. nathan bedford forest. it is a complicated legal issue and many cities are grappling with this across the country. >> you did that sound bite just for me. this country's real men are turning into girly men. this girly girl, she's got time for girly men. man, that one killed me. thank you both so much. i appreciate your time. when we come back, we'll talk not about the girly menner, we'll talk about extraordinary business leaders standing up in the face of racism and their action to step down from the president's business council. what it means to their business, what it means to their relationship with the white house. i'm thrilled the one and only larry summers is going to be
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book. larry, your reaction. yesterday i thought it was brilliant when you made the remark about walmart. doug mcmillan put out a statement, denouncing what the president said, but he was staying on the council. and you said if walmart, the biggest employer in the united states needs to stay on the council to get access to the white house, something's wrong. well, doug mcmillan was listening and the rest of them were. now they've left. what do you think? >> i was glad to see it. i think they made the right decision. i think it's the right thing for the companies. i think it's the right thing for themselves. i think it's the right thing for the country. this is a president who certainly respects business and respects wealth and hopefully he'll take a signal from this. but i think a lot of other people have to be thinking about their relationship to this president and this administration, including those who are working for him by serving in the administration. i know if i had encountered
anything remotely similar to this during my time in government i would have resigned. resigned because i had president who -- a boss who wasn't listening and paying attention to my issues and was diverting attention to away from them with things like tuesday's press conference, resigned because of the manifest chaos, incivility, meanness going on within the white house, and above all, because i wouldn't have been wanting to be part of working for someone who courted anti-semitism and racism, especially who did it after careful reflection and after two days to reflect and widespread criticism. as the president did on tuesday. and if i hadn't seen the light on that, my family would have been in my face.
my kids would not have been willing to rest as long as their father was part of this. and so i suspect there's a lot of discussion going on in a lot of homes of people who are working in the administration. there must be a lot of people thinking about whether this is something they want to continue to be part of. i think it will be interesting to see what happens when people return from vacation. >> larry, it sounds like you're speak directly to former president of goldman sachs gary cohn, who's got the job you once had. what if gary would make the argument -- i turn to you, andrew, what if he would make the argument you want to off the me on the inside? things would be so much worse if i wasn't here and maybe he's waiting to go for fed chair. >> i was on the phone with a ceo who was part of dissolving this council yesterday. >> showing off. >> no, no. we were talking last night -- >> in my face.
>> talking about this issue and gary cohn and the idea of whether what the ceos did trick les down to people in the administration and within washington but this individual said, you know, there's part of me that thinks that gary cohen should resign on principle, but there's part of me that wants him still in the room, and that that is great conundrum of all of this. that is to say if he's not in the room, who fills that vacuum? i think there is a larger question about what the right decision is, and gary cohn is somebody who i think is one of those people like larry was suggest ing who probably does feel it from his family. his daughter works at "the huffington post." >> gary's got jewish centers in his name in ohio. larry? >> let me just say i'm not prepared to proscribe for any specific individual. i don't think you can ever walk in another person's shoes and there are all kinds of personal
considerations for any individual. look, andrew's right. something that one has to weigh is one's restraining influence versus the legitimacy that one's conferring and the power of the signal one could send by resigning. i'm particularly sympathetic given all the threats to national security officials who decide to remain. but i guess when an issue that's been central for economic policy to this administration like infrastructure investment and in particular the deregulatory aspects of infrastructure investment, when a huge amount of effort directed at this issue is just entirely washed away by the president's behavior at his press conference on tuesday, you really have to ask yourself does
the presence of particular economic officials matter. i think history, whether it's executives at enron, whether it's people who stayed in the government for longer than they wish they had stayed during the vietnam war, is replete with examples of people who convinced themselves that they were being effective even as they weren't really restraining very much and they were lending legitimacy to what was going on. >> we're also never going to get to tax reform. >> i think there's enormous fragility right now. there's not going to be a serious tax reform. there may be some tax cutting, but how can anyone think there's going to be serious tax reform? it was only 31 years ago once that it happened with a great communicator with a high approval rating, as president
with a master legislative tactician as the secretary of the treasury weather the spirit of bipartisan cooperation in the congress. none of those preconditions are present right now. >> andrew, it's great point. >> i'm sorry? >> it's a great point. i want andrew to just weigh in. the white house has said in 6 1/2 weeks they want to see a tax reform bill. mitch mcconnell doesn't eve haven't to bring this stuff to the floor and the president is donkey kicking at them every chance he can get. >> i agree with larry there will be no tax reform. will there be tax cuts? not in 6 1/2 weeks. by the way, on the gary cohn point, who's going to be the point man and either get credit or not for what happens with taxes, the question is if you're going the hang around and not get that, do you then by the way get to be the fed chair. is that the prize. does that prize even still exist. >> do you want that prize. >> and by the way, there's been enough reports now where he has
suggested, at least people have suggested, he privately has said he's disgussed, what does that do to his ability inside the white house? >> my goodness. normally at the beginning of this segment i say read andrew ross sorkin's piece. today i'm not going the tell you because larry just put a piece out in "the washington post" saying following the ceos maybe the cabinet members need to leave. take break from andrew and go straight to larry summers today. great to see you. andrew, always. >> thanks. up mex, "money, power, politics." a new investigation from "the new york times" and e republica shows just how effective president trump has been at draining the swamp. he may have taken the frogs out but not the toads. ive. it's fine. because i get a safe driving bonus check every six months i'm accident free. because i don't use my cellphone when i'm driving. even though my family does, and leaves me all alone. here's something else... i don't share it with mom. i don't. right, mom? i have a brand new putter you don't even know about!
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robert -- i don't know how to say your last name. at least i was honest. danielle, some of your findings. >> robert and i are trying to identify the people asuhned to these teams and so far we of identified 85 and about 34 of those have potential conflicts that we of found. those are people who were former lobbyist, who now lobby the agencies they were working for looking at regulations, and people who worked at for industries or for companies that interacted with those agencies before. >> but you're not saying there's any wrongdoing here. this is more the president said no lobby u.s., no conflicts and now you've fot some of these people who could personally profit. >> right. we did find two people who may personally profit if regulations are changed. and, you know, in this case, we aren't necessarily looking at wrongdoing. we just really wanted to know who was on these teams and who was going to be looking at these
regulations that affect people on a daily bay us is. >> all right. in your investigation, it revealed that 28 members are connected to private sector groups that interacted with or were regulated by their current agencies. there is an argument to be made that they know the industry. you want to have experts in there because they know it best. >> sure. so that's definitely an argument that we've heard. our focus was looking at potential conflict where is, you know, there is a possibility that the public good wasn't the only consideration. so, for example, one of the appointees, he founded a nonprofit that was funded by a pesticide maker. we found one of his first meetings once he was on the inside was with a top lobbyist for that company. we still don't know for sure what they were discussing. >> what's the trump administration said about this? >> the trump administration has not gotten back to us from the white house, but we have been reaching outta all of the agencies and so far we've been told exactly what robert was saying, that sometimes these are
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economic war with china and then vows to oust some of his opponents at the state, defense and treasury departments. and i have to have my panel weigh in here. james patterson -- peterson. patterson, the author. we know the steve bannon part of the house is applauding over these ceo departures. this is steve bannon taking a shot at jared kushner. i do not buy this is anthony scaramucci 2.0. he is a media executive. he ran breitbart. some might say he still runs breitbart. >> this is certainly strategy. what exactly is the strategy? i think it's two-fold. one hand he's celebrating the victories that he has seen over the past few weeks. number one, he is -- we're all what the president said about charlottesville for steve bannon that's a win for him. his thoughts about the corporate
world as long as it's anti-globalist, it's fine. but it doesn't jive. to me bann nochlt is the strategist trying to insert himself that says hey we have these two big wins, trying to shore up my position in the white house. people say i'm leaving. i will not believe that until i see it. >> trump has been quacking for weeks, or so we've heard, that bannon is a leaker. is he daring him to fire him? >> he's sending him a message. >> which is what? >> i'm more dangerous out than in. i can go out and talk about everything. br breitbart is one of the most influential papers in the united states if not the world. not a lot of we in the white house but i. north korea made a deal i would accept it. i mean, wow! >> he's not wrong. when he first split with jared
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of new jersey but it may be surrounded by water. president trump is on an island. is he mad at everyone. up early on twitter, mad at his own party, mad at cities taking down confederate statues and some of that will definitely make gop leadership mad as steve bannon blasts his ideological opponents in a scaramucci-style interview. with fewer bleeps. will any of it matter when it comes to getting stuff done? we probably won't see the president today, we are already hearing from him. we're also talking about a story we will be covering on this show. more than a dozen cities moving fast to take down confederate monuments with concerns now that could only mean more violence on the way. our team is set up and ready to go. we have nbc's kelly o'donnell live in bridgewater, new jersey, along with hans nichols and gabe