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on twitter. i'd love to hear your thoughts on facebook, twitter, snapchat, instagram. i'll see through and at the white house after this program. that's where i'm headed now. see you later on msnbc. ali velshi in new york. >> a busy day. we'll talk later on. good to see you as always and enjoy your labor day, in the way you seem to be enjoying it, giving us labor. good morning, i'll ali velshi. it's monday, september 4th. let's get started. >> south korea kraerd out a simulated attack on north korea's nuclear test site. >> we have the most strongest, most significant nuclear test to date. >> north korea claims its latest bomb was small enough to fit on an intercontinental ballistic missile that could reach the united states. >> they could put this kind of a warhead on a missile and have a much more explosive effect. >> north korea way be preparing for yet another missile test.
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>> he's begging for war. >> to the members of the security council, i must say, enough is enough. >> we're not looking to annihilate a country, namely, north korea. as i said, we have many options. >> i'm going to draft a sanctions package to send to the president for his strong consideration. there's a lot we can do to cut them off economically. much more than we've done already. >> i think the president is right that kim jong-un and other bullies only respect strength. >> i think it's helpful to get into a twitter match with a 34-year-old leered kim jong-un. >> people are wrong when they say he's crazy. he's not crazy. he's very rational in his own world. >> the president speaks in ways that i wouldn't speak. that is his prerogative. >> mr. president, will you attack north korea? >> president trump on the verge of a potential political
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firestorm over immigration. >> he's expected to end the so-called daca program that shields undocumented immigrants from deportation unless congress can come up with an alternate solution in six months. >> the move comes after members of the president's own party urged him not to scrap daca. >> i think the president mentioned as well he wants a humane solution to the problem. that's something we in congress are working on and need to deliver on. >> the president was honest when he said during the campaign, said he had no business in russia, was pursuing no business in russia. if they were pursuing business in russia during the campaign, that might have influenced the positions that the candidate took. >> evacuations in houston, more than a week after hurricane harvey first ashore. that dealing with more flooding problems. >> texas army national guard from rescue to recovery. >> without raising the debt limit, i'm not comfortable we'll get the money we need this month to texas to rebuild. >> the recovery cost frs harvey
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could top $180 billion. >> that would be more than hurricane katrina or superstorm sandy. a wakeup call for the country an officials. >> we are looking for this to continue to move to the west and pass just north of puerto rico. parts of the southeastern united states, most of florida, even including the wrn side of flori -- western side of florida. you want to make your plans now. >> that's an awful lot of news. let's get right to breaking news in the north korea crisis. united nations is meeting now in emergency session in the wake of north korea's most powerful test yet. what could be a game changing advance and nuclear capability, the detonation of a hydrogen bomb. >> despite our efforts over the past 24 years, the north korean nuclear program is more advanced and more dangerous than ever. they now fire missiles over japanese airspace.
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they now have icbm capabilities. they now claim to have test add hydrogen bomb. just this morning there are reports that the regime is preparing for yet another icbm launch. to the members of the security council, i must say, enough is enough. we must now don't the strongest possible measures. kim jong-un shows no such understanding. his abusive use of missiles and his nuclear threats show that he is begging for war. >> for you, south korea responded today with a huge show of force, live fire drills involving warplanes, dropping bombs. south korea is also launching ballistic missiles in a simulated attack against north korea's nuclear test site. all this after north korea's state media announced kim jong-un successfully oversaw the detonation of a hydrogen bomb many times more powerful than the regular atomic bomb the
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rogue nation has tested before. north korea also claiming the device was small enough to fit on intercontinental ballistic missile that could reach the united states. the detonation at pyongyang's test site in the mountains of northeastern north korea triggered magnitude 6.3 earthquake that was felt in south korea and china. now the trump administration considers its options. >> we are not looking to the total annihilation of a country. namely north korea. as i said, we have many options to do so. mr. president, will you attack north korea? >> okay. right now let's look at what a significant advance in north korea may have made in its sixth nuclear test since 2006. north korea claims this was a hydrogen bomb. what's the difference between
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hydrogen and atomic bomb? a hydrogen bomb is up to 1,000 times more powerful. a hydrogen bomb is thermonuclear bomb. a second stage of reactions magnifies the force. here is what atomic bombs do, they use fission or atom splitting. hydrogen add fusion of atoms for a second more powerful blast. for example, the regular atomic bomb dropped on hiroshima had an explosive force of about 15,000 tons of dynamite, 15 kilo tons. hydrogen bomb has estimated force of 120,000 tons of dynamite. it is a substantially more powerful bomb. the issue here is whether they are telling the truth about this and the earthquake that was triggered by it, may it be an indication of that and whether or not they can miniaturize it and put it on intercontinental
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ballistic missile. here to talk about senior fellow with asia security program at the center for new american security. she was the asia policy coordinator for hillary clinton's 2016 presidential campaign. joining us msnbc military analyst and medal of honor recipient retired colonel jack jack obstacles. you have a new title, you're at yale? >> i am at yale. >> you're at yale law school. >> good to see both of you. let me talk to you about this, it's a major escalation. it does seem to be a steady drum beat of provocations from north korea. make some sense for us strategically. >> first of all can you make an atomic bomb as big as maybe 100 kilotons. this may or may not have been a hydrogen bomb. it's beside the point. there have been a steady drum beat of annoying, provocative, bellicose talk from the north
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koreans now possibly preparing another missile launch, improved technology on missiles, so on, and continuing to threaten the united states directly. the question is what do you do about it. all of our tough talk has done absolutely nothing to change anything that's happening in north korea. we've had a small number of not particularly strong sanctions on north korea and china. it's entirely possible that now is the time, instead of conducting a preempt strike which china has said they would not stand for, to put a bigger squeeze, economic squeeze on both north korea and china. don't forget, china has been the enabler of north korea and all roads to north korea literally and figuratively lead through china. so the only way to squeeze north korea is to squeeze china and tough talk is not going to do it. actual sanctions on major
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chinese entities, that's the way to go. we don't seem prepared to do it. we do a trillion and a half worth of business every year. >> one said he was considering stopping any trade with any country that does business with north korea as a way to pressure them giving up their nuclear program. at some point colonel jack is right. there's still room to press china to do more with respect to north korea. give usa sense of the sanctions that are there versus what can be dup. how much room do we have to press before we start talking about military options. >> sure. i'll start to say there is a fair amount of resume to press china further on the financial front. however, the threat the president made yesterday, with respect to stopping all trade with countries that continue to trade with north korea is totally incredible on its face. china does indeed support up to 80 or 90% of the north korean economy and there's a lot more we can do to pressure china to
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stop importing north korean natural resources. we've put the squeeze on coal. the next round of squeeze will be on oil. there's more we can do to pressure china to stop its small and medium-sized banks from continuing to provide north korean regime access to hard cash. to sanction china entirely, that is to not trade with it at all, would be totally devastating to the united states and china. >> we buy a lot from china and china holds a lot of american debt. that would get into a whole round of things. >> that's called a trade war. that could stand to shave 3 to 4% off gdp in the united states. that's a recession. i think the president either misspoke or not thought through the facts when he made that specific threat. that said there is more done, as jack signaled, to think about how to squeeze china on this. to make that remotely effective, i think the administration needs to take a step back and ask the question, what is our end game with north korea. over the course of just this summer, they have ticked off a
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number of significant milestones. testing an icbm twice basically successfully. claims that appear to be credible they can miniaturize. no if not now, soon. they have tested thermonuclear device. if this is indeed a boost fission as opposed to hydrogen bomb they are not far away. what is the point of sanctions an what other tools do we put at our disposal. that is, what is the role of diplomacy, deterrence and detainment of the north korean regime. >> colonel jack, president trump has said a lot of things about this. he wants to break off trade with north korea. the time for talk is over. general mattis said the time for talk is never over. then this is what general mattis said just yesterday. let's listen in together. >> any threat to the united states or its territories, including guam, or our allies
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will be met with a massive military response, a response both effective and overwhelming. >> so the interesting word there, colonel jack, is any threat. he didn't say attack on, he said threat to the u.s., its territories or allies. the other day north korea launched a missile over japan. it overflew japanese airspace. let's say something broke apart a fell over japan, would that be an attack? what does this mean for military terms? >> i think he misspoke. north korea has already made innumerable threats to the united states and its allies and we haven't done anything except start some relatively minor sanctions and continue our tough talk. so it's not threats alone that matter. we need to make abundantly clear any attack will be met with massive response. it will be extremely useful if china either in public or maybe behind closed door instructed
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north korea of the same, that any attack on the united states, any attack on any of its territories, or any attack on any of its allies will be met with a massive american response. and that under those circumstances, north korea is on its own. north korea is dependent on the defense by china, would like not to be. but at the moment depends on the defense of china, by china. if china made abundantly clear if north korea attacks the united states or its allies or any of its territories that north korea is on its own and china will not come to its aid, that may quiet things down a bit. >> worth noting united nations imposed sanctions on north korea a few weeks ago. china did involve itself in that, something that hadn't happened in the past. carl jack and myra, great to see both of you. you've helped us as we worked through this dangerous and
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complicated issue. i personally want to thank you both for making your self available on a holiday. it's a very busy news day. thank you. special council's robert mueller's russia investigation heats up, a top democrat slams the president over being dishonest about his business ties. up next everything you need to know about the russia investigation as congress returns from recess. in light of the fight against confederate monuments, we want to introduce you to monumental americans that may deserve a statue. peggy whitson returned from a record breaking mission. she logged a total of 665 days in space. that is more than any other american and any other woman in the world. she also set the record for being the oldest space woman at the age of 57 and the most experienced female spacewalker with 10 space walks. how about a monument to her. you're watching msnbc. we'll be right back. how do you chase what you love with moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis?
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president trump begins the week facing more strut any over his ties to russia. revelations on balancing tower in moscow as then candidate trump was running for president. over the weekend a ranking member of the house intelligence committee adam schiff weighed in. >> among other things the president was dishonest when he said during the campaign that he had no business in russia, was
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pursuing no business in russia. yet another misleading statement by the administration. he is the ranking member, by the way, the most senior democrat on that committee. yet from the campaign trail to the oval office, the president continues to vehemently deny any ties with russia. >> i have nothing to do with russia, folks, okay? i'll give you a written statement. nothing to do. >> there's no collusion between me and my campaign and the russians. >> believe me, there's no collusion. russia is fine. >> okay. there's an important element to these revelations that contradict the president's denials. for that i want to revisit the magnitsky act. it's a u.s. law passed in 2012 barring russian officials suspected of human rights abuses or russian business people. it's named after this man, sergei magnitsky, who was a tax lawyer representing a man in 2008 named bill browder, biggest foreign investor in russia before they raided and seized
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his company offices and expelled him from the country. colluded with criminals to embezzle $230 million in tax refunds from the russian treasury after illegally seizing subsidiaries of his companies. the courts responded by charging magnitsky for tax evasion and imprisoning him for pretrial detention where he died. russian officials say the cause of death was a heart attack. but browder refused to accept that version of events especially after reports from russia's human rights council suggested torture contributed to magnitsky's death. after that u.s. placed sanctions on those individuals directly accused of taking part in the tax refund fraud and killing of magnitsky. in retaliation moscow barred americans from adopting russian children. the apparent focus of discussions in that meeting at trump tower in june 2016 that involved donald trump jr. and
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kremlin connected lawyer natalia vess veselnitskaya. joining me author of "red notice" explaining why russia wanted to meet with the trump campaign so to speak. goos to see you. when it came out that donald trump jr. and paul manafort met with vessel net -- >> this is a man accumulated in my estimation $200 billion of ill gotten gains he sucked away from the state of russian. why he hates the magnitsky act so much he doesn't keep that $200 billion in russia where it's unsafe, he keeps it in the united states and london and
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switzerland and france and et cetera. what the magnitsky act does imposes sanctions, financial sanctions on people like vladimir putin. so he believes, in his own mind, this the most personal assault on his personal net worth that could ever exist. so when the magnitsky act was passed, he went crazy, absolutely crazy. he banned adoptions put sergei magnitsky on trial after they killed him, in the first ever trial of a dead man, pursuing to the ends of the earth, this whole thing is really, really upseting to vladimir putin. >> to be clear vladimir putin, according to your book and others, has business interests in a lot of businesses. in other words, people either pay him as shares of company or some kind of kickback scheme, but these are people all over the world. they have places in miami an new york and london and all sorts of places. the magnitsky act prevents them from banking and doing business in the united states and other countries where there's a similar act? >> correct. the magnitsky act freezes assets
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and bans visas for those deemed to be human rights violators. at the moment only 44 people on the magnitsky list but it's open ended list. what putin is worried about, not who is on the list today but who will be on the list tomorrow. he thinks eventually he or people that hold his money will be put on the magnitsky list. >> this an act of congress. this isn't an executive order. this is actually something congress passed overwhelmingly. so natalia vessel nat vess veselnitska veselnitskaya, when she showed up, she on behalf of vladimir putin and russian government, she showed up and said we really don't like magnitsky act. we really don't like it, and we'd like it repealed. she showed up with that there's no question that's what she was talking about. that's the one thing all eight people in the meeting agreed took place.
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what we don't know what happened is what she was offering in return. it's not some minor ask to say if your father becomes president of the united states. >> we'd like a major piece of legislation reversed. >> a very highly controversial piece of legislation. they would have come in with a big package of something in return. we don't know what that package was but that's what they were there for. >> arguably if you are vladimir putin and he is, as you and others have written, alleged to have taken pieces in major corporations, the magnitsky act could be the biggest thing for you personally. that could be the thing that cost you the most money. if you had a friendly in american government, that would be -- if only one thing you could ask, that would be the one thing to ask for, the repeal of the magnitsky act. >> that's it. that's the thing that most upsets him. he's made no -- there's no uncertainty about this. when he became president again, after sort of sitting in the secondary seat in 2012, he put out a white paper, a foreign
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policy strategy paper where he said getting rid of the magnitsky act was the single largest foreign policy strategy. no secret he hates it, no secret it affects him permly, no secret it's what he wants to get rid of. >> there's e-mails she was referred to as a government lawyer in the pitch to meet donald trump' donald trump jr. who else would be there. if you weren't a friend, why would somebody be having such a meeting? >> there's no other reason why she would have this meeting. it was completely based on the vladimir putin objective. no private citizen has a need to go in and have that meeting. this was clearly planned. there is a huge amount of evidence from the russian side this was a major government operation as well. the general prosecutor of russia, the foreign minister of russia, everybody has been talking about getting rid of the
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magnitsky act. this was one of their approaches to get rid of it. >> when we hear this was about adoptions we know what we're talking bought about. author of "red notice" which i think is a necessary read to understand some of the inner workings of russia today. coming up, the economic impact of president trump's upcoming decision on daca. some 800,000 undocumented immigrants ben frilt from the program. they have car loans, et cetera. as we wait for the announcement on daca, political reports president obama plans to speak out if president trump ends the program. he plans to post to facebook and link to twitter where he has more than 94 million followers. kevin, meet your father.
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tomorrow president trump is expected to announce a big decision on the deferred action for childhood arrivals also known as daca. the president is leaning toward ending the program what six-month window for congress to come up with a fix. there was outcry within the republican party. utah senator orrin hatch said i have urged the president not to rescind daca. house speaker paul ryan said, i
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don't think he should do that. rick scott said i do not favor punishing children for the actions of their parents. it gives a reprieve and grants work permits to nearly 800,000 undocumented immigrants who arrived in the united states as children. joining me now chief economist to former vice president joe biden, jared burnstein. also msnbc contributor. good to see you. thank you for being with us. jared, i'm not an expert on a lot of things people are about immigration and why you should and the legalities of it. you and i looked through the world through a lens of economics. one of the arguments i've heard made in favor of ending daca is how much these people cost our economy. now, tell me if i figured this out right. 800,000 people, 45% of whom are in school, upward of 90% of whom of the rest are employed, all speak english because they have been here since they were little kids. they have been here for a long time. they are on a permit that says if they commit offenses they don't get renewed.
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it sort of feels like ideal. >> i think the right place to start this conversation is from the realization that donald trump's repeal of daca is nothing more than state sponsored xenophobia shrouded in a phony economic argument. the argument, as you just suggested, has been disproved many times over. daca recipients are net contributors to the economy. and by net, i mean that if you look at the revenues that they pay in taxes, here is a number that i haven't seen enough in this debate. on average, daca recipient pay a state and local effective tax rate of about 9%. that's above the top 1%, which is 5%. so they pay their share in taxes, disproportionately job creators. they start businesses at a higher rate than the average. they buy cars, they buy homes. again, on net, they are
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contributors. the last thing we'd want to do is kick them out of this economy. >> all right. let's talk about economics of immigration in general. that is an interesting situation because this president, we've got annualized gdp rate of 2%, the president is trying hard to convince people it's 3%. that was a quarterly number. to get to the three, the four, the five, and the six, all of which have been said by donald trump, to get to any of them, you require more productivity by more workers. the united states has negative worker rate, natural replacement, wouldn't create enough workers to continue working. we know we need immigration. yet the president has this act he's proposing which cuts the number of legal immigrants in half. this doesn't seem to make economic sense? >> this the economic equivalent of kicking the ball in your own goal many times over. the recipe for faster gdp growth
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is as you suggested, faster productivity growth and faster labor force growth. because of aging people like myself, i won't implicate you here, our labor force is growing a lot more slowly than it used to. on productivity, economists don't really know how to push that lever. one thing we do know is welcoming immigration stance would be precisely the lever that would be needed to push back on our slow growing labor force. the congressional budget office looked at this nonpartisan group, no thumbs on the scale there, they attributed 70% of the slowdown in growth to our declining labor force growth. the way to offset that is more, not less welcoming immigration. >> what do you say to people who say there are still lots of unemployed people in the united states, so we can't possibly need more immigrants. >> well, in fact, the unemployment rate is 4.4%. we have a federal reserve that is worried that the job market is too hot. i personally am not worried
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about that, but we certainly are creating employment at a good clip. there are parts of this country where unemployment is too high. they tend not to be parts of this kurngs by the way, where daca recipients live. as you suggested, those folks -- over 90% of them are either employed or in school. remember, these are not people who got here yesterday. they have been here since they were kids. they are in the labor force. the question is not whether they are taking jobs of the question is are they working in the shadows or outside the shadows. the latter is far preferable not only for their economics but overall. >> jared bernstein, always a pressure to talk to you. thank you very much. senior fellow owe on budget and policy, former chief economist and policy adviser to vice president biden. stand by congress returning to work tomorrow. it's got a full agenda with hurricane harvey, government funding built to avoid a shutdown. we'll bring you details after the break. and take a look at this.
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spending bill to avoid a government shutdown, a debt ceiling increase, republicans crown jewel of tax reform. and don't forget you have those russia investigations going ongoing in the house and senate. crews gaining ground against largest brush fire in los angeles history. the la tuna fire is nearly 30% contained this morning. most evacuees will be allowed to return home. the fire burned at least three homes and holding steady at 7,000 acres. the cause of the fire is under investigation. big announcement from kensington palace today. another royal baby on the way. they are expecting their third child. the baby will be fifth in line to the british throne. all right. we're also following breaking news on north korea crisis. this a live look at the united nations where the security council has just ended an emergency meeting about north korea. sus ambassador nikki haley may come out to the mics. these are reporters here.
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she may came to the mics at any moment. if she does we'll do do that. north korea test add hydrogen bomb, which is much more powerful than regular atomic bomb, up to 1,000 times more possible. ambassador haley said we'll call for a resolution of u.s. sanctions. >> the time has come to exhaust all diplomatic means for the crisis. that means quickly enacting measures here at the security council. only the strongest sanctions will enable us to resolve this problem through diplomacy. >> south korea responding with massive show of force, live fire drills, f-15 dropping bombs, south korea dropping missiles in simulated attack against north korea. north korea claims its latest bomb small enough to fit on intercontinental ballistic missile that could reach the united states. u.s. intelligence analysis ongoing but initial indications are that a bomb was what north korea says it was, a thermonuclear device.
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president trump is now considering his options in the crisis that he's dealt with since taking office. the year of strategic patience with the north korean regime has failed. many years and it's failed. and frankly that patience is over. >> north korea best not making any more threats to the united states. they will be met with fire and fury, like the world has never seen. >> i can tell you what i said, that's not strong enough. some people said it was too strong. it's not strong enough. but kim jong-un, i respect the fact that i believe he's starting to respect us. >> mr. president, will you attack north korea? >> the reason that this is so
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important is that the stakes are extremely high for a lot of reasons. the first being that seoul, which is about 35 miles from the demilitarized border with north korea, has 25 million people in it. among those 25 million are 140,000 americans, including 28,000 military. across the border 7.7 million reservists, 1.2 million soldiers. a massive army. possess 10 to 20 nuclear weapons. that is dwarfed by the past arsenals the u.s. and russia have now. these are vast arsenals. can you see they are off by a little bit because we renew our nuclear devices. just to keep in mind, this is what u.s. an russia has. this is what north korea has. all this concerning given north korea's missile capability and
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the ability to reach not just japan and guam but the continental united states. you can see here that the missiles as calculated could reach as far as chicago and over to the east coast. so this is what is worrying a lot of people. coming up more than a week after harvey made landfall texas still reeling from the aftermath of the devastating rains and floods. a mandatory evacuation order under way for 4600 homes in west houston, 18,000 homes damaged in texas. by the time its over cleanup and rebuilding cost could reach $190 billion. we're going to have much more including a report from houston after the break. this is the story of john smith.
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landfall, new mandatory evacuations in place for thousands of people in west houston. homes along buffalo bayou could be under water for another week. also this morning the texas division of emergency management says 180,000 homes are damaged from harvey in texas alone. more than 32,000 people are still in shelters. clean drinking water is now a concern. more than 160 water systems are telling customers to boil their water. 50 water systems shutdowns
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continue and the owners of the colonial pipeline, the largest fuel transporter in the united states, say they are making progress on repairing damages from the storm. national gas prices are up an average of 30 cents in the past week. nbc's jacob rascon in houston, texas, with more. jacob. >> reporter: in west houston, neighborhood after neighborhood still under water. mandatory evacuations for 4600 homes. after their owners thought they had escaped the worst. >> it's sad. i feel sad for us. i feel sad for everyone. >> families like romos told they can't return to their homes for nine more days while the city releases water from overflowing reservoirs. >> the few stuff we have left that's not been flooded out, that's all we want. >> throughout the region the damage is overwhelming, street after street looks like this. the cleanup and rebuilding may cost up to $190 billion, more than hurricanes katrina and sandy combined. a day of prayer in texas and
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nationwide, some congregations setting up outside while water was pumped from their chapel. volunteers flood the streets and makeshift distribution centers. truckloads of donations from trs from feed and kroeting tens of thousandses stuck in shelters. in crosby, northeast of houston, the ar skrks rrkarkimia plant s. more than 75 public schools also damaged in the flood. some destroyed. king wood high school hook in water up to the second floor, florsing it to close for the entire academic year. many others could close for months leaving thousands of students uprooted, being forced to attend a different school this fall. >> these are our kids, and they
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don't knnoknow tragedy looks li this is the first time they have experienced tragedy. they lost their coschools, they lost their homes. >> joining me now to talk about this is former fema director david paulson. let's talk about the stage that we're in now where it's a little less than the emergency stage that we spent last week recovering. at what point are we in the recovery. >> with the number o'people that are out of their homes, they're going to be out of their homes for a long period of time. the next thing the housing, finding housing for all these people who won't be able to get back to their homes for eight, 10 months maybe longer. during katrina we had people out
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of their homes for up to 18 months. >> even in homes when there was only two inches of water, there's repairs to be made, and mold and things like that. but fema is not money that's spent on redevelopment or improvements. how do you deal with a city, new orleans is a perfect example. that some of the housing stock was so bad that they had to think about doing something really dwimifferent when replac it. >> that doesn't come under feec fema's purview. their focus will be on the public infrastructure pieces, like you heard the water systems are out, water, stewers, street, bridges, schools all of those things will be reimbursable by fema. this is a long road head to the
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city. >> what about infrastructure, houston is a pretty good place and many of those places in southeastern parts of texas, have kept up their infrastructure, largely because there's oil and chemical industry there, but is this in some ways an opportunity for the state and some of these mun n e municipalities to improve on infrastructure and making it better? >> there's afternoon opportunn that and there's a good thing. we're talking about upwards of $180 billion. so we have got to start spending more money on the front site making sure that infrastructure is such that it with stands these events. i think we need to refocus on how we're preparing ourselves to deal with these types of events. >> after katrina we learned amount about codes and things
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that can be done better the next time these things happen. let's talk about cost controls, when things have to be done in a hurry, there's not justify the issue of gouging, which texas and fema has to keep a handle on. fema doesn't do all the rebuilding, how do you determine who gets the contracts to do the work? >> the hiring of a private contractor, a licensed contractor that can show you they have been in business for a while. there are people who are going to come in from everywhere to help with this. katrina it was very difficult to get drywall. there's going to be drywall that's contaminate and we had to tear it all out again. rebuilding is going to be a slow pro process. a lot of these people didn't have flood insurance, so if they
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don't have a lot of financial subpoena po support behind that. . >> i didn't have money for normal repairs is many cases, how do i rebuild a house or repair it. david paulison is the former fema director. we have hurricane irma with could strike south florida in the coming days. ness world. at&t network security helps protect business, from the largest financial markets to the smallest transactions, by sensing cyber-attacks in near real time and automatically deploying countermeasures. keeping the world of business connected and protected. that's the power of and. you wof your daily routine, so why treat your mouth any differently? complete the job with listerine®
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okay, we have just received a new update on hurricane irma, the powerful category 3 storm is moving west and is expected to move dangerously close to puerto rico. the storm's path after that remains uncertain. south florida however could be at risk. we'll stay on top of that for you. thank you for watching this hour of msnbc live. right now more news. >> welcome, everybody, this hour on msnbc, nuclear tests, north korea sets off it's sixth atomic explosion and this time the her mi hermit kingdom says they can hit the united states. and after the storm, as the floodwaters recede in houston and south texas, the true extent of the damage of hurricane harvey is revealed.
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welcome, everybody, it is 12:00 in the east. we're following breaking news at home and overseas, let's start in north korea and a major show of force today for that nation's military in response to another nuclear test by kim jong-un and north korea, their largest test yet. rhetoric withfrom top officials the trump administration. north korea is bigging for war. taking a listen. >> to the members of the security council, i must say, enough is enough. we have taken an incremental approach and despite the best of intentions, it has not worked. the time for half measures in the security council is over. the time has come to exhaust all of our diplomatic means before it's too late. only the strongest sanctions


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