tv The Rachel Maddow Show MSNBC September 8, 2017 9:00pm-10:00pm PDT
good evening midnight on the east coast here at mnb -- hurricane irma tonight and we're looking at it potentially making landfall as a category 5 storm in cuba the winds have been maurd up to 160 miles per hour. this hurricane is tearing towards florida. the entire state is potentially in its path. 1 out of every 20 americans live. >> people are in a panic because we have nothing in stock for what they want.
>> what do they want? >> they want tap guns, panelling, generators, propane. >> anybody that's still staying on the streets, they're going to die. they're going to die. >> no one knows how the storm will play out, but the death count is rising, 23 people confirmed dead from this storm ripping through the caribbean and the u.s. virgin islands. >> the four of us and three dogs spent the time of the storm a few hours sitting in the shower and on the ground. >> it's kind of like how long do we stay in here. you kept hearing it bang. eventually once it left, it got better. once is house is gone, it was less cary for us downstairs. >> the human toll, personal toll rng estimates already on the mngs wreckage. the cost of this damage could reach $200 billion, including
135 billion potentially in florida alone. here is one scene that stels the story, the stream of correspond going north tonight, everyone trying to get away from the path of the storm. chris haze has been doing the reporting for us in miami. what can you tell us? >> well, there's sort of some cautious gentle optimism about the track of the storm from the perspective of miami and the worst case scenario. earlier in the week it looked like miami-dade county, 90% of which is lower than sea level. south beach was looking like it might take a direct hit from the eye wall. right now that storm stoert of tracking, moving westward along the coast of cuba. however, of course, the state is only about 150 miles wide, it's
about -- smaller than the size of the storm itself as you see there on the screen. and so there's going to be massive destruction across the entire width of the state. the folks of miami worried about the storm surge. the mayor of south miami, the mayor of miami beach, looking at storm surge maps, that's what guided the mandatory evacuations. it's what guided the mandatory evacuations in miami proper. all of that based on the storm surge. if it traction westerly, that will probably reduce the storm surge and spare miami if, again, if the worst case scenario. >> what were you hearing from local authorities and office holders that i know you've been consulting with today. >> there's a lot of concern about getting people out. getting people shelter. you saw the news that miami had invoked a emergency law to essentially detain against their will homeless folks in miami.
in miami beach the mayor said he was going around talking to people one-on-one, trying to get them into shelters. the folks that are still here, which is a sort of self selecting crew, have a kind of more he can wi anymore any about what's coming for them than the people that have left. the people that are here said i lived through andrew, i was find with it. there's a intense desire to get people into shelter, away from coastal areas. the most dangerous part of the storm in the eastern state is the storm surge, you're talking about 8, 10 foot high of wall, the force of that is usual what ends up being the most deadly part of a hurricane. people are urged to get into shilters and get away from the coast. >> thank you and stay safe. at a gas station in southwest
miami-dade county, mya, what are are you seeing. >> the hunt has been on all day long for gas in south florida. my producer and i drove around before we found it and we finally did in southwest miami-dade county. a lot of people were frustrated, not just locals, but people trying to escape the storm, making their way north of here. folks said they filled up, trying to do last minute errands and ran out of gas. they were so relieved when they found a place that this gas. take a listen to what one person will to say. >> nothing we stopped at a few places. and this is the only one open. we stopped all throughout coral way, around 8th, this was the only one. >> are you worried about the storm? what worries you the most. >> that the houses won't be standing. you can see i still have plywood
in the car. my sister, my parents, my house, we're still finishing up the last minute preparations. >> reporter: that's sort of the concern down here that there's going to be severe structural damage because of the storm. people trying to prepare, try to get gas even at this late hour. it's midnight here and people are still coming in and filling up at this gas station. about a third of the gas stations in florida, no gas, about 40% of them in miami-dade, no gas. finding it is a effort in hunting. >> have you heard any reports of price gouging? >> reporter: at this point, no. though, i can tell you that the state and the county have had a strict policy against that. obviously they want people to report price gouging here because there is that concern. at this point, we have not seen that for ourselves. part of that might be because so many of these gas stations are closed down or that they're aware that people might be
reporting price gouging. but we have not seen that for ours at this point. >> last question, were you hearing for people why they're out there late? are they coming out from work shifts or did they make a later decision to get gas and leave town. >> reporter: some people were coming off some of the late shifts from a nearby hospital over here, some people who were state troopers were coming by. some of these people were saying looking we were running around, doing errands, putting up plywood, and this was one of the last things they need to get done before we hunker down. >> if it's a to do list, obviously removing yourself is the last item on the list. thank you for your reporting on that part of the story. here in our world headquarters, i want to turn to nbc meteorologist, walk us through what you have. >> we have the latest advisory
as of 11:00 p.m. the storm has strengthened to a category 5, you can see the eye of irma interacting with the northern part of cuba there, some barrier islands. it is over the ocean. it's a massive storm. that size and strength is what we're watching. we want to get a better idea where it's loek, where it's headed. as long as it keeps moving to the west, that turn to the north to delayed. that ridge of high pressure moving it to the west continues to grow. unfortunately or fortunately depending where you are, the track makes a difference. right now category 5 irma, # 300 miles south east of florida, maximum sustained winds 165 miles an hour classing this as a category 5. notice the movement to the west. very key with the track. now the models have shifted in the past 12 hours. steering a little further to the west. but keep in mind the cone of uncertainty extends further off
to the east. maybe miami is out of the cone right now but until we get close to land fall we want to make sure everybody on the east coast is on alert. particularly on the west coast. with the track changing, the cone of uncertainty has shifted west to the gulf by the time we get to sunday evening we're looking at a powerful storm making land fall not once but twice in the keys and on the main peninsula of florida, perhaps naples. don't always put your eye on that, it's not necessarily a exact point of where the storm will land. it's just a average what we see between the models. monday we're looking at a storm of 160 miles an hour winds. that threat for flooding and heavy rain into georgia and the carolinas exist. you can see the eye wall, looks like it's doing a eye wall replacement cycle which we've seen it do many times before, it allows it to strengthen and weaken and it goes through the
cycles. it's important to note, if the westerly track continues, then it might weaken again. the more it stays offshore along these warm waters of the florida straights, the intensity can stay the same. that's something to keep in mind. we're looking at a powerful storm. once again tracking irma, 300 miles south east of miami florida. waiting for that turn to occur it the north west and it's likely to occur in the next 24 hours or so. still it's not certain exactly when. i know we've talked about how all of florida will be impacted, we're watching where the strongest winds are, in that eye wall, that's where we have max sustained winds of 160 miles an hour. >> when you look at the line, what is the best case scenario for those hoping it avoids most of florida. we're seeing from hours ago the line, if you can bring that back up, i don't know, yeah, there up on the left, for viewers, any chance that can go further left and spare more of the coast.
>> i think it's possible. but remember this line isn't necessarily the exact track. it's a average of all the computer moold models, some of pushing east, some are pushing west, this is the average between the two. we're talking about a narrow peninsula only 140, 150 miles wide. with that being said, with the massive size of the storm i think all of florida will be impacted, where the eye goes, where the strongest wipds go, looks like the models are going more west than east. this storm has kept us on our toes because the models keep shifting. the dynamics of the atmosphere are changing before our eye. a difference in one factor makes a big difference in the track. >> which speaks to the evacuation orders we've heard. appreciate your expert reporting. we'll come back to you
throughout our special coverage. i'm joined with the mayor of boiten beach florida, this is part of those mandatory evacuation orders. first of all, mayor, thank you for making time on this busy evening. >> my pleasure, been staying up all night preparing and looking forward to, you know, getting the storm over with so we can move on with things we have to do here. >> let's go through it. number one priority people who are in or near your community, what do you want them to know? >> it's to late to leave now. if you haven't made it to a shelter, make it to a shelter as soon as the sunrises. otherwise everyone who plans on staying in the home, make sure all the windows are boarded up. it's likely we'll loose power sometime over sunday to monday. so everyone have their plan prepared. it's a lot -- it's a big waiting
game right now. >> during that duration that you describe, it being too late for folks to leave, what happens if they need help? we've been hearing accounts of the fact there's going to be a stretch of time where they should not expect any kind of local authorities to be reporting out. >> our county issued a 3:00 p.m. occur few for the whole palm beach county. anyone outside after 3:00 p.m. tomorrow will have to deal with the police. they may be taken to a shelter they don't necessarily want to be taken to. that's -- i think that was told zero tolerance. we want to make sure everyone is safe. we will inforce that. >> you're lefrg to those emergency detention powers effectively the idea that in that instance, although the authorities have krid it as a last resort, they have the power to basically put them in what they consider a safe zone, even against their will. >> we don't want any loss of
life. and so this is why we're doing this. it's for, you know, everyone's safety. uni, making sure that, you know, people who are homeless are not on the streets when this hurricane hits. >> copy. speaking to the mayor. we've been going through your immediate area and residents, people there off. let's broaden out. for folks who are not quite there, folks in the rest of florida, rest of the country, what do you want them to know about the efforts authorities have been taking, yourself included, and what we're bracing for. >> one of the things we've been using a lot is social media. we have the old fashioned phone numbers. if you're in the 561-742-6921, that will be open all day tomorrow and as much as we can during the storm. >> go ahead and repetition that, mayor. >> 561-742-6921. >> gotcha. and finally, do you feel that
you have what you need, it's way too early, we know, to talk about the kind of relief packages that may ultimately come although we're speaking on a week that the president and congress appropriated money for the harvey response. >> we are a fully functioning city. we have our own police, fire, sanitati sanitation facilities, we are required to have 10% of our budget as reserves, we have $8 million ready to be spent to make sure the city is up and running as soon as possible. >> mayor final question, something we don't always have time to get into, but curious, what the rest of your night looks like. what do you plan to turn in and what are you doing for your energy and own well-being? >> well, my plan is actually, i'm in my house, i'm staying here, my plan is basically to walk my dog early tomorrow and
that's it. just, you know, i prepared this whole week, and i hope everyone else has done the same. >> sounds a little bit like pardon the expression, the calm before the storm, walk the dog, take care of your loved ones, we'll be thinking and watching. take care. >> hurricane irma has ravaged the kreen, leaving 23 people dead and key stroig the local island of barbuda, 95% of their island community reeffect i havely wiped out. >> the tremendous amount of roofs on homes are off. a number of homes have walt collapsed, there are pockets where the buildings are good, buttar it's bad it's bad. we've not structural collapses and debris and boats and just the -- just messed up. it's just bad. >> it's just bad.
terrible human toll that there we are tracking. there is one roof still in tact, it's full of pigs. here are pigs taking refuge on a roof in the bahamas. they're hunkering down like any other wild life would. hurricane jose heading toward the caribbean, 150 miles an hour winds. experts telling us hurricane jose could be upgraded to a category 5 as it makes land fall. ahead irma increasing in strength, it's a category 5. there are lessons from the last time a hurricane like this hit florida. >> i'm extremely worried. i have two kids. i need to take care of my family. >> this thing just looks like a monster. and we don't know where it's going to go. >> it's just going to be a
from the florida about how andrew resonates with residents this day. >> it destroyed 90% of all trailers in homestead. others operating to hunker down, he said he had to get rescued by helicopter in mississippi hur katrina. >> joining me by phone is the reporter to filed the report. andy for staying up late. what did you find. >> thanks for having me. so the interesting thing here is that florida has significantly increased their building codes since andrew hit back in 1992. if you want to build a house it has to be a lot structure, the roof has to be tied down tighter, shatter proof glass in
your win owes, that's given a lot of people in homestead confidence. they made the calculation they don't want to fight the traffic jams. they're going to hunker down. those who experienced andrew in 1992 don't have good memories about it. they said it was terrifying, but they think they will be safer there than they would trying togglto go, elsewhere. >> is that true? >> we'll find out in a few days. one of the few things you have to take into account is that the target may are hardened, the houses may be stronger than they were in 1992, you don't have houses made of wood any more, they're made of concrete, but the target's bigger. you have a lot more people living in south florida. you have a lot more houses built in places that used to be potato
fields, swamps, that can be prone to flooding, we used to have 30,000 people in homestead, how it's 67,000 people. as far as we know, the storm doesn't look to hit directly there in 1992, but even a glanci glancing blow can be significant to south florida. you have the high wind, storm surge, you have a lot more people and property in the path of the storm. >> speaking to andy sullivan from reuters who spent time today with some of the people making these very personal calculations about whether to flee or hunker down, healther -- you have a individual who went through all of this with katrina and still chooses to hunker down. some of our viewers may say how, how does someone land on that decision. i wonder if you can give us anecdotally what you found
today, how much of it is people saying i can make it and how much of it is people with extenuating circumstances, they don't have somewhere to go, they don't have money, or have other local obligations. >> yeah everybody has their own unique story. that guy you mentioned, the man who survived a helicopter rescue from hurricane katrina. he said he's staying in the region because his wife is a nurse, she has to work at the hospital, and he has said -- faith that the buildings here are in better shape. i talked to a woman flying down from washington, d.c. to a neighborhood that was completely flattend by andrew back in 1992, and she says she wants to be with her granddaughter and her dog. a lot of it is, you know, personal loyalty, you're looking out for other people. people told me they're taking in really tifts who are evacuating
from areas on the coast like miami beach, which, you know, are under a mandatory evacuation. so at least in a place like homestead, it's a little farther inland, it's not under a mandatory evacuation. i guess they're making the calculation they'll be safer there. i spent a fair amount of time outside of a grocery store. there's no bottled water, there's sort of the essentials that you think would be there aren't necessarily available. the store had bred. i was at a walmart last night that didn't have any bread products whatsoever. everybody, i think they're struggling to make sure they have the necessary ingredients to survive the next few days. >> and our video photographers have captured some of these lines, we've put them on the kreen right now. one in florida city where you had long lines, companies like home depot that said they wanted to help out, and yet even with
the help you had lines, waits, a lot of just basic delays for people just to get the stuff they need if they are staying put. reuters andy sullivan thank you for sharing some of your reporting with us. >> my pleasure. >> a storm of this nature can be difficult toorce winds. >> tonight irma's ferocious winds have the potential to reek more havoc. to better understand how to protect life and property, these researchers create hurricane force wins. >> wooer looking at category 1, damage to unank order home, trees, shrubs, these a category 2100 miles an hour wind, there's
no way you could stand in this, significant damage to roofs, window. this is now a category 3, 115 miles per hour. the wind is pulling my cheeks and my skin back. anything that isn't tied down will be uprooted and attorney from its foundation. >> after just a few minutes in cat 3 winds last year, the engineers said, enough. >> it's just absolutely exhausting to stand in those kinds of winds. >> today, irma at 155 miles per hour is among the strong e. hurricanes ever recorded. even homes built to national standards can come part in 100 miles an hour winds. across florida the toughest new building codes are designed to with stand a cat 3. >> there are building codes in place particularly after andrew helped homeowners build back
we've been reporting a lot on the threat to florida here with irma bearing down, but we want to give you a sense how it's cut this path of destruction through the caribbean. at least 23 confirmed deaths, another storm jose right behind it, wind speeds up to 115 miles an hour, he's been following irma's destructive path through the caribbean. we cover a lot more what happens in america but what we're learning is these horse orors o there. >> we talk about the building codes in the u.s., from east to start starting in barbuda, tiny island, population 1800, almost completely destroyed. these are aerial pictures taken. the prime minister is there trying to get people off. hurricane jose is coming in
direction, people don't have power and access to information and that's becoming a dangerous situation. >> do we know what's going to happen? when you say most buildings are uninhabitability, then what? >> they're going to try to go to the island of antigua where there's a runway because the airport on this island was completely destroyed. as in st. martin it's a shared island between the french and dutch. the dutch are putting soldiers on to the streets because they're worried about the security there. electricity poles were stand in half. >> the u.s. virgin islands. deer people who love st. john we desperate lie need your help. people cannot get ice or water,
our food is running out. we haven't heard big about coral bay, we don't know when the airport will run again, we don't know if we're going to get hit by hurricane jose. people don't know what's going on, they don't have access. finally puerto rico, it was already in a very, very bad economic situation. it has declared bankruptcy. and that right there is the problem. it's out of power. we're talking about a million people with no power. and it's going to take five to six months to get the power back on in puerto rico. again, this is a island that declared bankruptcy. it's ability to receive fema aid will be hamper by law. >> what kind of assistance are these islands going to get, the non-u.s. islands, what? they're looking for anything. >> british virginia inislands
will see troops. the national guard is going to the u.s. virginia inislands. virgin islands. >> you sort of have, i mean, on the one hand with hurricanes there is a lot of extra discussion before we even know what's going to happen. some people we've heard on the ground in florida call it hype. they say we don't think it's going to be that bad, we've been through it before. you look at this, you're reminded how it will affect the united states. it's already completely upending entire societies. >> people are saying miami is built for this. we built the buildings after andrew. it can sustain the wind. not every place is built like miami. >> with the infrastructure. >> right. >> thank you for the reporting. >> the other big report is the gas shortage, we'll go to the reporter live at a gas station in kendall florida.
what you can tell us. >> check out this line. it is 12:30 on saturday morning and there is a huge line here at the florida turn pike station near 127th avenue in kentle. all of these people waiting in line for gas. odds are they are coming from the south where there is a fuel shortage, particularly the keys. i was just in key west yesterday and there was a massive fuel shortage. a lot of people struggling to find gas stations yesterday. they ended up being five gas stations, then all of them were shut down. of course a dire warning for the keys, basically if you're there, you're stuck, and it is barely going to be survivable. a lot of people we spoke to tonight are coming from the keys. for days they've been putting off the decision as to whether or not to go ahead and come up north. well, they finally are taking heed to the warnings coming out for a hurricane that is coming our way. i want to introduce you to somebody who's actually resting
a little bit. he's coming from the keys. he made that last minute decision to go ahead and making it here. he's having a little snack. skip, we're here. >> okay. got key west. >> so you had -- you finally left your home and you waited until the last minute. >> yes. >> reporter: why did you wait so long, knowing how dangerous this storm is. >> because they said that it was going to hit big pine, and hit key west, then i knew it was time to go, at a category 5, i was here for will ma, it was 3 feet of water, you're talking six to 9 feet, it's time to go. >> this storm is as wide as florida. >> you weren't motivated to leave, that's the key west attitude. >> no, when the police leave, i leave. >> our congressman said emergency management is thinking about going ahead of pulling out of the keys all together. >> they're my neighbors.
he works for them, for the police department, and he said he was leaving. and i know i'm leaving. >> any idea where you're going to? >> no idea. no idea. north. north. wherever north is, that's where i'm going. >> you know what? best of luck to you. if you're going by the current forecast, avoid the west side of the state. irma's wobbling east and west. back to the gas issue here. i spoke with the clerk right before coming on here and i asked what time are you guys going to close. he said as soon as we get the gas. he said he has 8,000 gallons. he said if you want to buy it, i'll leave. the staff are dying to go home and get to their family. they know there is a huge public need here. so many people are coming from the southern tips of florida to make it here. they waited until the last minute. the governor is encouraging gas stations to stay open as long as
they can. they're leaving open highways so fuel tanks can come down the inter state and deliver more fuel. that is the situation here on the turn pike on saturday morning, early, this is not something you usually see, but these people are clearly getting the message. it is time to get out of here and in order to do that, they got to pump up. back do you guys. >> hang with me. it was interesting the sort of the higher spirits, the person you were dealing with, dealing with a heavy situation, but seemed to be in warm spirits or at least with you guys chatting. can you walk us over to where we see the line or any other people, give us a sense of the line behind you and what else you're seeing? >> reporter: yeah. sure. i got to tell you, we've been doing this, i mean we've been wall to wall coverage in miami for over a day. sometimes we get people who want to talk but sometimes there are people so exhausted and over all
of this, they want nothing to do with being on camera. as you can see, the line is all the way back there. i was told some people are waiting 10 minutes. sir, can i ask you where you're from? >> no english. no worries. you speak english? we're live on msnbc. where you guys coming from? couple blocks. >> reporter: you're here to fill up for the hurricane, right? >> yup. i think this is probably the last pump in town. >> reporter: how long did you look for gas. >> we've been driving looking for hours around the town. this is the only place we found right now. i don't know. >> reporter: this is going to be important for after the storm. how concerned are you? >> we have plenty of gas. >> reporter: how long did you wait in this line for? >> maybe 20, 30 minutes. >> reporter: that's not bad. >> it's going pretty quick. i mean, we have the cops, you
know, they kind of have this organized. it's very good. >> reporter: thank you very much. good luck to you guys. as he was saying, the cops have this organized. you can see there's officers back there, they're basically making sure that the cars are lined up and then they distribute them in certain lanes to go ahead and make sure that this is all done in a very orderly fashion. we've seen people here at this gas station who are walking their pets, stretching, you can see this officer is waiting for the next pump. trying to find another person to speak with here. but as you heard, he said he wasn't waiting that long. we actually waited in this line at smint tonight we were running out of gas, so we had to go ahead and fill up. let's see the next person they're going to allow here. >> while you look for the person -- >> reporter: overall as you heard him say, it is -- go ahead. >> i was going to ask you. we're a bit on tape delay. you're down on the ground there.
when you see this situation 12:40 a.m. we see the line, the police presence, how long does this go? when does this option end? >> reporter: well, you know, we're being told we're going to get tropical storm force winds beginning tomorrow. i think at that point, you need to be indoors. at some point the people servicing these fuel stations, they've got to be home, too. they can't be out here too much longer. i would guess that by tomorrow morning, you know, these gas stations, they really are -- the ones that have gas, they're trying to stretch it out as long as they can. they know people need this to get out of here. they're trying to stay open. but they have to take care of themselves and their families as well. can we talk to you guys? how you doing? >> doing good man. >> reporter: so how long did you wait for gas tonight?
>> only about 25 minutes. >> reporter: do you live in the area, traveling from the south? >> no, we live in the area. >> reporter: how long have you been -- have you been looking for gas, you just got lucky? >> actually i gassed up and i wanted to fill up a few tanks that i have. i didn't have a opportunity obviously this gas station, it's only for my car. but i'm going to take advantage and finish filling it up. >> reporter: at least top off. i didn't notice, says no fuel containers please. we've seen several people show up with fuel containers, and i guess they left empty handed. i didn't know that that was the policy. they have to make sure they conserve the fuel. they said they had 8,000 gallons left here. but people are doing everything they can to collect as much extra gas as possible, not just for their car but after ward, possibly power their generators and get around after the storm. this is one of the officers here helping people out. let me see if this gentleman
will speak to us. hey. we don't want to talk to him. he's a competitor. >> that's how you know it's live tv. where are you from? >> key west. >> reporter: you're from key west. we're running into a lot of you guys from key west that waited until the last minute. were you intentionally waiting until the last minute or you really wanted to see what happened. >> no, i was working. i was supposed to work in the airport in key west, and they decided they're going to evacuate everybody, so i left. >> reporter: what do you think about the storm? >> it's zircht. >> reporter: how long have you lived in key west? >> eight years. >> reporter: so you've seen some storms. >> i've seen a few. no hurricanes, but i was prepared to stay. >> reporter: what about the people you know. there is certainly this sense in key west they've ridden out many storms before and it's a bragging right. >> some of those guys were leaving, the ones that were
there before. i was going to stay. they're going to close the airport tomorrow morning. i said well if you're doing it tomorrow morning, i'm not waiting eight hours. >> reporter: where are you headed. >> i'm looking at the map, maybe saint august us teen. >> reporter: best of luck to you. i'm glad you got out. >>. >> reporter: maybe we can see where these people are from. >> jamie, i'm going to jump in. >> reporter: actually we are -- i've got to wrap it up, but good luck to you guys. as you can tell, people are extremely busy, this guy is filling up a container, but we won't tell anybody that. lot of people doing what they need to get gas and get out of town. >> on a heroic trip there, hope you can get out of there before things pick up. appreciate your reporting and we got to hear directly from a lot of florida ians. hearing from the airport, a lot of ways people are trying to
we're continuing to track this category 5 hurricane on its way to south florida. hurricane irma making landing in cuba. airlines consing over 1,000 flights. the last flights departed, no more planes leaving this whole weekend. i'm joined on the phone by michael balance boney, the former new york state homeland security director, he worked on prepare ration for response to hurricanes. walk us through what you're seeing now, how you think authorities are doing on the travel piece, we had a lot of on the ground reporting in florida of people gassing up trying to drive out of the state.
you see the airport no longer a option. >> what's been helpful is watching the images of harvey and people were reminded just how terrible these types of storms can be. so lots of people have paid attention. it means there are a lot of people that are still in the state, in shelters. this is about massive crowd management. trying to understand where people are going to be going, who is going to need help and assistance, what are the types of shelters that are going to be necessary to with stand this type of a storm. because there are two features of the storm that are particularly troubling. one is obviously the strength of the storm, and the wind speeds. but it's also the size. the fact that you have such a huge swath, the entire state. >> it seems like the authorities put out the word and a lot of
folks respond to the information or to the fear, and they get out of town. and then every time this happens, we're seeing it here, even though this one we're being told is monitoster, monthassive historic. how are you as a public official dealing with the public, getting the information out there, how do you figure out the most effective ways to move those people, the people who don't move based on the first warning or what they might call the data. >> it's such a difficult -- evacuations are so complex. people don't necessarily have a appreciation for the difficulty of being able to predict who's going to go, when they're going to go, and what happens to people who are going to stay. and you can have mandatory evacuations, but the -- getting everybody to move out and absolute insurance everyone's gone is a impossiblibility,
particularly when you're dealing with the numbers of individuals that are involved in this particular statewide effort. the other thing that a lot of people think through on a evacuation is what about -- what's the ability of people, once they're on the road. you know, we saw that in past hurricanes and threats of hurricanes, people get on the road, and the evacuation itself turns out to be full of injuries or in some cases deaths. that's the challenge, too. when you have people who are evacuating, because they're leaving a community, doesn't mean that their need ends for assistance. it can be a whole bunch of things as far as who is evacuating, are they on medication, what's their physical condition. you have a moving population you have to pay attention to, as well. >> thank you for joining us. up next, how the red cross is stepping up to help thousands of