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jim comey did, did not have a dispositive detect and we all kind of dumbed down all of this into the word "comey." it's a little broader than that. the original e-mail issue was, frankly, silly. and the scandal, quote/unquote, made of it was even sillier, and they came to the conclusion that there was no "there" there, and under doj rules, he should have just said, we're done. instead, he goes on and on that she's a terrible, terrible person. >> we're out of time. yes or no question on this. because of everything you just said does that mean any democratic challenger that goes up against donald trump in 2020 will win? >> if the election were held tomorrow i don't know who would win. >> philippe reines. thank you so much. sorry you were squeezed today. >> blaming on sanders and bernie sanders. >> more on rachel maddow, 9:00 p.m. eastern. again, tomorrow.
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hillary clinton with rachel maddow. that wraps things up for me. ali velshi, sorry to have taken 50 seconds of your time. >> a great conversation. happy to you have take some of the show for a great conversation. good to see you and have a great rest of your day, katy. >> thanks. and i'm ali velshi. and speed dating bipartisanship-style suddenly overshadowed. exclusive from nbc news and the late nest robert mueller's ongoing russia investigation. hey, remember michael flynn? president trump's former national security adviser? a man fired for misleading vice president mike pence about conversations with the russian ambassador to the united states? well, now michael flynn's son probably known to you by a first controversial social media post is a subject of robert mueller's investigation. why, you ask? i'll get back to you about that in a few minutes. as i said, tough to match an worse time than this. president trump cap hill cred
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for a meeting on taxes. even now meeting way group of lawmakers from both parties. we'll talk to two of them once that meeting ends, and that's not the only russia-related piece of news breaking in the past few hours. nbc news has also just confirmed something first reported by the "washington post" that the department of homeland security says it has banned russian brand caspersky software from federal networks over concerns about russia intelligence ties. a lot to get to including news from bernie sanders. start about the news about michael flynn jr. joining me, a colleague who broke the story, ken delainian. ken, what's the news? what's happening with michael flynn's social media prolific son? >> ali, we reported michael flynn the son is now formal subject of the robert mueller criminal investigation into whether russia colluded with the trump campaign, and i think the real significance of it, ali, is the extent to it puts pressure
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on mike flynn the father. because it really looks like robert mueller is following a classic prosecutorial playbook trying to put pressure on players in the alleged conspiracy and try to flip them to tell what they know, if anything, about russia collusion. clearly, michael flynn the father is in legal jeopardy over failing to disclose lobbying about turkey and other foreign government and business entanglements and his son was his right-hand man. his chief of staff. organizing meetings. he accompanied michael flynn on that trip to russia where michael flynn the father sat next to vladimir putin back in 2015. so to the extent that his son is facing be legal jeopardy, couldish leverage mueller is using to get michael flynn, former national security advisers to talk, ali. >> michael flynn is one of these characters, people may or may not remember him, not only has he been in the past prolific on social media but known for having tweeted out conspiracy theories. a lot of conspiracy here to irs.
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a lot of the anti-islam stuff that michael flynn was accused of in the beginning. the guy the an interesting character. >> absolutely right and still tweeting. just this week tweeted a derogatory information about black lives matter, from his point of view. but he's best known for perpetuating a pizzagate conspiracy alleged a pedophile ring at a washington, d.c. restaurant supposedly by democrats, totally debunked and lost his job on the trump campaign team after tweeting on that conspiracy. >> thank you, ken. for deeper legal analysis on the michael flynn news, legal part of it, bring in host of "the beat." tell me more about what this all means, and whether there's legal significance around the michael flynn sr. stf or this is unrelated? >> it is significant. probably related's we know that because of the public profile's
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flynn your. not an independent expert on contractor. entire role being his father's chief of staff and business aide. that's significant number one. number two, we talk a lot about the russia query and not about who fits into exact categories because we rarely get reporting this firm, but our colleagues, ken, you spoke to and others firmed up, exclusively reported this is a subject, okay, to remind everyone. it goes, witness, you saw something. at the other extreme, target. wey think you did something and the middle subject, yew caught up in something. not a good place to be. >> where does this fall into the, the larger scope of investigations? we know that paul manafort is someone that robert mueller has been looking at. we know everybody at the june 9, 2016 meeting. what we aren't heard about for a while has been michael flynn sr. people have actually brought that up in our interview. how come we haven't heard anything about him?
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what does it mean jp a quiet investigation on the side we haven't known about? >> at least mean that that investigation is ongoing. we remember, this was all drawn in from previous grand jury investigations including manafort put under the mueller probe. can be more than one thing going on. >> right. >> significant what is different, what is translation, bad news for the trump white house is, this is a query that touches on someone who had a relationship or association during the transition. that's postelection. and obviously as a family member of a very senior government official in mike flynn. so while manafort and others, to be fair to the trump white house, can sometimes be cordoned off as, hey, old political folks that we don't work with anymore. that doesn't really apply to the flynn family who was in the trump administration. >> got it. thanks very much. loving the show. 6:00 p.m. eastern. "the beat" on msnbc. getting information from the president's meeting he just held. just ended. let's listen in to what just
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happened. >> i'm pleased to welcome this bipartisan group of democrats and republican lawmakers to the white house. more and more we're trying to work things out together. that's a positive thing and it's good for the republicans and good for the democrats, and this group knows that very well. whether we can do the incredible things that we're doing and working in a bipartisan fashion obviously would be a positive, and i think something, tom that we all feel good about. i want to thank tom reid. he's been a friend of mine for a long time and there right at the beginning when it wasn't very fashionable. right? and i really appreciate it. and, josh. josh guthymer for organizing this very important gathering. the whole concept of what we're trying to do is very, very important. inspired by the example of our own citizens, we should be able to come together to make government work for the people. that's why i was elected.
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that's why i ran. and to provide jobs and opportunity to millions of struggling families. this includes tax reform that is pro-jobs, pro-growth, pro-family and pro-american. very simple. it's all pro-american. we have four principles for tax reform. make the tax code simple and fair. cut taxes substantially. it will be the largest tax decrease in the history of our country for the middle class. encourage companies to hire and grow in america, and by doing that, we're going to have to reduce the taxes for companies. right now at 35% and really much higher when you add state taxes in. and china is at 15%. then we wonder why are we not competing well against china? they're at 15% and we're at 35%-plus. that doesn't work. and bring back trillions of dollars. we have trillions of dollars
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overseas that we'll bring back and we'll bring them back quickly. so this is money that josh and tom and everybody in this room can tell you, everybody's agreed to bring it back for years butnever gets done. we're putting it down as part of our tax proposal. another bipartisan project urgently needed is infrastructure. and infrastructure investment. for decades now washington has aloud our infrastructure to fall into a state of total decay and disrepair and it's time now to build new roads, new bridges, the airports, tunnels, highways and railways, all across our great land. when we set aside our differences and it's amazing sometimes how little our differences are, we put our country and we put the citizens of our country first, and that's what this is all about. so we want to have a great, new tax cut, and tax reform,
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simplification and massive cuts and we want to get our country working again, and competing again worldwide, and they'll be nothing that can stop us. on ton of that we'll be discussing probably a little bit of health care, because i know some information's come to light. we'll be discussing. because ultimately, while we have some democrats i think i can speak for republicans generally but we do want to do something very, very powerfully with respect to obamacare. it has not worked. rates are going through the roof. the numbers that you look at no matter where you go, no matter where you look, health care is failing in our country, and we're going to get a change and we're going to get a change fast. infrastructure we'll be talking about and probably also be talking about daca. because we don't want to forget daca. and it's already been a week and a half, and people don't talk about it as much. we want to see if we can do something with regard to immigration, with regard to the
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800,000 people that are now, young people, they're not children any more. were children, now are young people. but we want to see if we can do something in a bipartisan fashion so that we can solve the daca problem, and other immigration problems. so we'll be discussing that today, and then tonight i'm having dinner with senator schumer and nancy pelosi, and we'll continue some discussion. so we have a lot of things in the fire. but i think right now, first and foremost so we can compete again and especially in light of the fact we had two massive hurricanes. the likes of which i guess our country has never seen. i don't think i've ever seen. one was the biggest ever in water and the other the biggest ever in wind. and you put them together and we have devastation in texas and in florida. and we've -- and other parts of our country, by the way. and i think we've gotten very high marks for the way we've
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handled them thus far and we continue to handle them well, but they were very big and very powerful and it was very unfortunate, but because of that, more than ever we now need great tax reform and great tax cuts. so we are here as a group bipartisan to try and see what we can come up with. thank you all very much. i appreciate it. thank you. >> thank you. >> [ inaudible ]. what would you tell them why have leader pelosi and senator schumer over tonight? what's your message for -- [ inaudible ]. >> i'm a conservative and tell you i'm not skeptical and i think that if we can do things in a bipartisan manner that will be great. now it might not work out, in which case we'll try and do it white house, but i think if we can do in a bipartisan manner -- look at some of the greatest legislation ever passed it was done on a bipartisan manner. and so that's what we're going to give a shot. see what we can do, right, tom?
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if it works out great and if it doesn't work out great hopefully we'll be able to do it anyway as republicans. okay? thank you. thank you very much, everybody. thank you. >> looking at a 15% rate and we want a 15% rate, because that would bring us low. not by any means the lowest, but bring us to a level where china and other countries are. and we will be able to compete with anybody. nobody will be able to touch us. so we would like to see 15%. okay? thank you very much, everybody. >> nd. >> [ inaudible ]. >> by the way, much lower for individuals. much lower than that for individuals and the rich will not be gaining at all with this plan. we're looking for the middle class and we're looking for jobs. jobs meaning companies. we're looking for the middle class and we're looking at jobs. >> [ inaudible ] -- taxes -- >> i think the wealthy will be
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pretty much where they are. pretty much where they are. we can do that, we'd like it. if they have to go higher they'll go higher, frankly. we're looking at the middle class and we're looking at jobs. okay? thank you very much. thank you, everybody. >> thank you. well, kind of wild. that was a meeting that just ended. at the white house. with the president and members of the republican and the democratic party talking about a lot of stuff. the president, just need to work through some of this a minute. the president giving himself and the government high marks for their handling of the hurricanes. usually you wait for somebody else to give you marks. he went ahead and did it. talking bipartisanship and the wide change of things his administration is dealing with at the moment. interesting stuff on taxes. started comparing the u.s. corporate tax rate he claims is 35%. widely understood to be misleading's not applied across the board. at best, high 20s and worst in the high teens.
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but he said, started comparing it to china's corporate tax rate of 15%. there's just absolutely zero similarity between an american business and a chinese business. that was strange, but he did say he wants to get the corporate tax rate in america down to 15%. something he's campaigned on. it's something his own treasury secretary as recently as yesterday and many times before has said, probably not possible. maybe possible, but not sure. the president reitated that and said same for personal taxes and lower for personal tax. i don't know what he means. not talking 15% personal income tax rate. remarkably confusing. but did say the rich will not gain from this. only a gain for the middle class. the wealthy will stay where they are. pretty much stay where they are. and if it has to, their taxless go higher. again, very have hard to understand what that all meant, but it was actually all just said by the president. the president of the united states. also talked about obamacare and
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how it's going to get changed fast. and that he's bringing infrastructure change in and we must not forget to talk about daca and the immigrants in the president's words, it doesn't get talked about much anymore. he wants to talk more about daca. for anybody in the white house watching this, tune into msnbc every now and then. we actually talk about daca quite a bit. to the white house, kelly o'donnell is standing by for us and maybe she, much more experience covering the white house than i ever will had a different translation device on to make a little more sense of what we just heard. a lot of stuff in there. the president covered a lot of ground. what do you take away from it? >> reporter: well, i've been to the cabinet room and never seen the kitchen sink in there before, but it sure was just now. it is notable how the president spoke on a number of issues, and the thank you at the end of these photo opportunities is usually the sign that the president or his staff want journalists to exit the room knop more questions.
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rolled over those a few times and took a handful of questions. notable the president was on a talkative move on a range of subjects trying to present a bipartisan approach, and that, of course, will agitate some republicans, and it may confound some democrats and we'll see where we are. president certainly trying to change some of the descriptions of his administration. talking about the taxes that you were just, i defer to you on issues related to tax. what the president is trying to do with that 15% is sort of an opening bid in negotiations. trying to suggest that the middle class in the overall i think he was off the mark on the rate levels, but the overall net effect would be reduce taxes. his hope. at the same time, one of the things that will certainly last from those remarks is saying that the wealthy would not benefit, because it will be easy to demonstrate should a bill come to pass, be presented through the system, and on his desk, it will be easy to discern
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if wealthy americans benefit. many ways they could by svirtue of the overall climate. something the president may be challenged with down the line. the president has tried to stimulate jobs, trying to make it easier for individuals not only in the paperwork part of it but the overall rate. of course, to do all of that, gets complicated. compromise? i think what is notable here, the president is clearly signaling a willingness to compromise on which is the deferred action against those who were brought here without documentation. as perhaps a bargaining chip to get more border security. something he's telegraphs as well as coming up with something that will get up eventually towards infrastructure. talked about it a number of times, ali. infrastructure, maybe there could be some commonality. >> bipartisanship. glad i had you to go to. i think you're right on three levels. one lower taxes for personal
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income tax. what the president meant. not lower than 15%. meant as you interpreted it, lower taxes for the middle class. right in he brought up daca for purposes of making it clear if you're going to have a bipartisan meeting that's something on the table. and right about infrastructure. while there isn't broad agreement on exactly how you do it how you build it, what you pay for it, broad agreement infrastructure needs repaired in country and government needs to be involved. yeah. a kitchen sink in the discussion, but it did seem that it could possibly be heading somewhere. we'll keep a close eye on the people in the meeting and what they took away from it. thanks for your analysis as always. kelly o'donnell making sense for us at the white house. senator bernie sanders formally introduced his medicare for all bill in the last hour. it's complicated. tough words for our current state of affairs. listen. >> the american people want to know what we're going to do to fix a dysfunctional health care
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system which cost us twice as much per person as any other country, and yet leaves 28 million people uninsured and even more under insured. >> to be clear on this issue, bernie sanders speaks the truth. in fact, he might have been understating it. our health care is sometimes more than twice as much as other countries with a lower resulting outcome. take a closer look at his plan as well as a few other plans that are currently floating around the senate. bernie sanders' plan is co-sponsored by many in the party's left flank including plenty of potential 2020 hopefuls but we should note that it has about exactly zero chance of passing this congress. here what it would do. create a federally-run universal single payer health care program. that's a mouthful. think canada, though. eliminate co-pays and deductibles, likely based on sanders campaign rhetoric during
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the 2016 election the plan would be paid for by a tax increase on the wealthiest americans. it's possible, though, could be an increase on everybody. on the other side of the aisle, we have the most traditional republican plan of the bunch. this is sponsored by republican senators bill cassidy, lindsey graham, dean heller, ron johnson. and even others involved. repeal and replace bill. there's a catch. has to be voted on by the end of the month, if the gop wants to pass it with the 50 votes in the senate. remember, couldn't pass the last one with 50 votes and needs to move on it transferring much of the responsibility to the states giving money in block grants to fund their own exchanges, eliminate tax credits from middle income families subsidies for low income families and individual and employer mandates and medicaid expansion but keep protections for pre-existing conditions. not sure how much chance this has, but it's there. up next is the health committee.
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this is senator lamar alexander and senator patty murray, republican and democrat, attempting to stabilize health insurance markets and prevent premiums from spiking. this one needs to pass as well by the end of the month. september 27th, to be exact. the bipartisan plan funds subsidy payments in question for at least a year in exchange, republicans are asking for the states to have more freedom in how they regulate their markets. this is also going to mean ongoing discussion about the role that the federal government should play in this type of plan. not finished yet. whew! all right. plan four. also bipartisan but not in congress. governors. john kasich and hickenlooper of ohio and colorado. other governors involved also. pay for cost-shares reductions and programs designed to cover the most expensive policyholder supporting the state waiver process, enkaurg young people to enter the insurance market. offer tax benefits to insurers
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and exchange for offering access in underserved counties. not sure how this become as law because it's a governor thing. finally, a slightly more moderate democratic plan proposed by senator brian schatz of hawaii offering something similar to a public option. government-run program competing with private insurance companies by allowing individuals to buy into medicaid. remember, bernie sanders is medicare for an single payer, this the ability to buy into made caid raising rates to entice more doctors to participate in medicaid and like obamacare would allow individual states to opt out. you can expect that most republican-run states would do exactly that. look, i've tried to give an xpangs to this stuff. it's complicated, above my pay grade. why i'm bringing in larry levitt with the kaiser family foundation. senior vice president for special initiatives. senior adviser to the president of the foundation. larry, i tried. i know a little about this stuff. and i'm trying to sort of let
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people know that there are actually five efforts to improve health care on the table right now. are any of these sensible or likely to become law? >> well, first, you did a nice job. >> thank you. >> and i mean, it's remarkable, the clock is ticking and there are all of these proposals on the table, with frankly, not a lot of sign that the parties are coming together anytime soon. you know i think the best chance of something passing is probably this bipartisan effort in the senate health committee to stabilize the market, but even that very simple proposal is proving to be pretty controversial. >> so the -- bernie sanders plan, medicare for all. no chance of passing, obviously. democrats don't control the house or senate. maybe one day they will and maybe he's just laying the groundwork for his next campaign or the next presidential campaign, but fundamentally, it is working towards something that republicans are very uncomfortable with, and that is the single payer system.
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i guess we've had this conversation before but i want to ask you again, larry. in the various forms of university health care that the world and the developed world use, only a few use a single payer system. what's the advantage of it? >> that's right. most countries -- in fact every other industrialized country that university coverage means everyone has health coverage. few use a pew single payer system like senator sanders is proposing. look if designing something from scratch, and wanted to guarantee coverage to everyone using something like medicare to cover everyone makes a lot of sense. but we're not starting from scratch. people with employer based insurance, medicaid, medicare, buying their own through obamacare, and sort of wiping all of that out and starting over is really complicated and disruptive. look, we spend much more than any other country. mainly because the government is much less involved in regulating health care here than elsewhere. >> but if we really were to
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start from scratch, given the information and the knowledge you have of the kaiser family foundation because you've studied this a lot. i get your point. it's politically hard to do it and structurally hard to take the entire middle out of the health care system, pharmacy benefit managers, insurance company. employees tens of thousands that doesn't exist in many other countries, but if were you to start from absolute scratch, bernie sanders' idea is not ridiculous? >> no. there's a simplicity to it and that's where its appeal comes from. you just went through all the complicated proposals. health insurance citizens are hard for people to understand. medicare for all, the idea, you get a card. guaranteed coverage. that's very easy for people to understand and part of why i think it's the, the idea's caught on and most support it. it is very sensible, but there are drawbacks. in our political system, special interest groups have a lot of
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control and influence. so i'm not sure it would work out quite the way it does in other countries like canada. and i think americans are in some sense uncomfortable with the idea of government making all of these decisions about what's covered and what's not in health care. >> i just put up the poll of the number of people who support either single payer plan or medicare for all, depending what you call it. there is a majority of people polled by you, the kaiser family foundation that support that. thanks, larry, as always helping us make these things clear. larry levitt with the kaiser family foundation. up next, devastating news out of hollywood, florida. at least six nursing home patients are dead and more than 100 others evacuated after the center lost power in hurricane irma. we'll take you there, after the break.
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florida governor rick scott says he will aggressively demand answers after six people in a nursing home died. we're told many more from the center are in critical kiss at this hour. the center in hollywood, florida, lost power. the temperature could have been 110 degrees.
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they've launch add criminal investigation into the deaths. more than 100 patients evacuated today. an urgent situation as millions across the state remain in the dark and without air conditioning three days after the monster storm hit across the united states, as you can see on the right side of the screen, the caribbean, the death toll climbed to 53. we'll get to that. start with gabe gutierrez live, north of miami, that's hollywood, with alarming new details. gabe what do we know now? >> reporter: hi there, ali. just getting information from fpl, florida pow around light, the main utility company in florida that says it was providing power to at least part of this facility where these six nursing home patients died, as you mentioned, 115 of them were evacuated this morning. just a heartbreaking scene, ali, to see the overhead images of these nursing home patients being evacuated. some in wheelchairs, on
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stretchers, taken to early hospitals around the area and speaking with family members throughout the day saying they've been frustrated for the lack of information and several families found out their loved ones are okay and have questions exactly how this happened. initially police say first calls around 4:00 a.m. in a news conference a short time ago. the police chief said closer to 6:30. there is some discrepancy when the initial call came in. we spoke with somebody that worked at this facility and that person said that the generator at the facility was working yesterday, but at this point, ali, it's unclear whether the generator was working. whether they completely had power. one neighbor suggested she had power and that the surrounding buildings did. all part of the ongoing investigation that now involves several agencies and local hollywood police say medicaid fraud investigators because the
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ceo of this nursing home was convicted and sentenced for medicare fraud. that person is no longer the ceo, but this facility has run into issues before. so several of the family members we spoke with today want to find out exactly what happened and how, why these patients were not evacuated. and that may ultimately have led to their deaths. >> we'll keep on top of that. thanks very much. a tragic story. also following irma's deadly impact across the caribbean. thousands of people's homes ripped to shrids as the situation dire with food, water and first aid running in short supply. nbc's ron mott is in the u.s. virgin islands how they're attempting to pick up the pieces. >> reporter: hey, good day to you. you can see, a lot of debris here on st. thomas. one of the things they want to do, get the roadways open. an 18-hour a day curfew, which
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is for the most part being observed. folks are able to get out, starting at noon, and then at 6:00 have got to get back into their neighborhoods and off the streets. you can see the traffic is flowing. we did a quick tour around the island this morning. massive damage. a lot of trees down, power poles down but people for the most part seven days into this in pretty good spirits. relief folks coming in to get mres and water to get through the next couple of days. and one of the big prors early after the storm security. especially st. john's more devastated than on st. thomas. caught up with the assistant police commissioner. what he had to say from a security standpoint now. >> we didn't have any mass looting incidents or -- serious violence. most of the cases we are seeing right now are burglaries of small businesses at night in rural areas. >> reporter: again, a lot of cleanup here. one thing the governor keeps
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news breaking news hour on the massive cyber security breach at equifax. right now seven attorneys general have sued or opened investigations into the breach that likely affected 143 million people. meanwhile, virginia senator mark warner has asked the federal trade commission to investigate what happened and the chair of the house energy and commerce committee called on the ceo of equifax, richard smith, to testify on the hill in three weeks. all of this comes one day after 36 senators called on the department of justice, the s.e.c. of near think $2 million in shares of the company by three top executives after the breach. now, equifax denies that the executives knew about the breach at the time of the sale.
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for more on this i'm joined by paul rosenzweig, defector of a homeland security consulting company and served as the deputy assistant secretary for policy in the department of homeland security. he's authored several books on cyber security as well as a new op-ed in scientific america entitled "the equifax hack: bad for them, worse for us." ball, before i get to the danger, the exposure that this has led to for so many, tens of millions. more than 100 million americans, i want to get to one fact. equifax said two days after the fact when these executives sold their shares they didn't know of the breach. i cannot imagine that to be the case in any company. if there's something that is central to your business that happens, and the senior executive of your company don't know about it for two days, you have a bigger problem than you thought you had? a. real governance problem in cyber security reflected in the
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possibility that may actually be a true story and may very well be the case that the senior executives were just not paying enough attention to cyber security. lots of boards in lots of major companies are just now coming to grips with the idea that they have an exposure, a risk exposure, in cyber security in the same way they have skoexposs could commodity price changes or h.r. problems. a reality today. >> unbelievable to me. first, let's show viewers what has been breached. the type of information that may be out there. it's your social security number, possibly. driver's license number, credit card numbers addresses, birthdays. so different, paul, from -- a department store card or something like that being breached where they have some of your information. equifax has all of your information. they quite possibly know more about me than i know about me. >> very much so. in fact, that was equifax's job as one of the big three credit rating agencies.
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their job was to collect all of the possibly collectible sensitive information about you. especially financial information, and use that to generate credit scores. something we're all familiar with. so this is kind of like fort knox getting knocked over and all the gold going out the door. why goldfinger went after fort knox in the bond movies. >> let me ask you something. you wrote a smart article that i had trouble parsing because i just don't live in this world and know it that well, but you seem to imply in your article that there is a security weakness in some software that equifax uses that lots of other companies use, that is a known security weakness? >> that's what's been reported. equifax blamed a type of software known as the apache struts, and apache struts is an open sorts, sort of program, used by a number of the fortune 100 companies. that's been publicly reported
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and i think i found that on "the journal." not exactly sure, but a widely used still. the vulnerabilities known three, four years. the u.s. government file add report on those in 2014 and apache has gone to the trouble of developing the vulnerable patches required. just seems as though equifax wasn't paying attention. >> look, all much easier if equifax would come clean fast and tell us all what happened. it's our information out there. i know i've been breached, for instance, and got an e-mail from equifax with a button that i could press on my phone and had to agree to a few things. turned out we thought we might have been agreeing to waive our rights to sue. e equifax confirmed that's not the case. no danger in you attempting to find out whether or not you were breached. correct? >> that's my understanding as well. certainly no legal danger in doing that. the long-term harm is both to
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you individually and systemically. to you, a risk of deputy theft. i think the even bigger problem we're just now coming to grips with is that this is going to be a trove of information to people about how to deanonymize people and reidentify them. so much of our security is based upon personal information. questions like, where were you born? what's your mother's maiden name? all of that is possibly retrievable from large-scale breaches like equifax, home depot, target -- >> all the good security questions. here's a list of five streets. tell me which you haven't lived on. i have to think hard. they go back 20, 25 years. and i've forgotten some of the stuff. i don't even know how you fix this, but while you fix it from a data perspective is different than how you fix it from a reputational perspective for a whole lot of, hundreds of millions of americans now having trust issues with the credit reporting agencies. paul, thanks a lot. appreciate your work on this.
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>> thanks for having me. >> paul rosenzweig. we won't get off the story. breaking news. one student died and three others seriously hurt after a high school shooting in washington state. it happened at freeman high school in rockford, which is about 40 minutes outside of spokane, near the montana border. going to nbc's joe fryer following the story closely from our los angeles bureau. joe what do we know? >> reporter: yeah. the fire department just gave an update confirming the numbers changing throughout the morning. the latest, four students in all were shot during the shooting this morning. one of those students has died. three more students were taken to the hospital in spokane sacred heart confirms three pediatric patients all in stable condition. the suspect is in custody. the sheriff's department believes there is only one suspect in the case. that person is in custody but no further information given about that suspect, gender, age, or
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any information at this point about a possible motive. the hospital is expected to be giving a news conference in about 45 minutes from now to update us on the condition of those students who were shot. this all took place around 10:00, 10:15 in the morning west coast time. freeman high school is located about a half hour southeast of spokane in the community of rockford, washington. as far as i can tell, population of the school a little more than 300 kids. it's shaken the community. a lot of parents showing up. eunifications are under way at the nearby elementary and middle schools as parents worried are reuniting with their kids. >> the worst call a parent can get to come to your school after a shooting to identify your kids, to call, to fetch your kids. the fear never goes away until you're actually there and you see your student. what a horrible, horrible thing. school shootings are about the worst thing that we ever have to report on. joe fryer, thank you for that. we'll stay on top of that story
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now just so you -- we don't alarm you unnecessarily. wtvj interviewed the city manager who said that there are more than 110 residents in this facility, and they are evacuating in light of what happened at the facility in hollywood where it apparently overheated. we don't have the full information but we believe it may have overheated leading to the deaths of six people and a number of others critically injured. we don't know whether this facility has lost its air conditioning or power and what the actual issue is but they have said this facility will be evacuated within the next 30 minutes. the evacuations are under way in this new facility in north miami beach, florida. i would imagine at this point that nursing homes across florida are being faced with this possibility that they need torques evacuate and that relatives of people in nursing homes are consulting the management of these places and asking what the situation is. if you know somebody in a
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yeah, i got some financialbody guidance a while ago. how'd that go? he kept spelling my name with an 'i' but it's bryan with a 'y.' yeah, since birth. that drives me crazy. yes. it's on all your email. yes. they should know this? yeah. the guy was my brother-in-law. that's ridiculous. well, i happen to know some people. do they listen? what? they're amazing listeners. nice. guidance from professionals who take their time to get to know you. let me take a look at what markets are doing. earlier today, they were down about half as much.
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now the dow is up just a little bit. 35 points or so. it's been a good week. you can see it started the day a little lower. it's been a strong week on markets in general. the dow above that psychological 22,000 mark. as it looks like some stuff might actually be getting done in washington. let's go back to irma's impact. florida congressman mario diaz-bala diaz-balart. he joins us on the phone from d.c. congressman, thanks for joining us. obviously our thoughts continue to be with the people of florida as they recover from this. i have to ask you, with the news we've had this morning out of hollywood, i would imagine people all across florida are giving special attention to nursing homes, retirement homes, places where our vulnerable are because of the conditions? >> absolutely. look, fortunately, florida and again, i guess it's fortunate, has a lot of experience. and, therefore, is more ready
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than most states but, obviously, you'll have tragedies. you have folks who have lost roofs and you have lots of life. and one life is way too much. this was a horrible tragedy. we have to figure out what went wrong, how it happened and, obviously, do everything we can so that it never happens again. and you're seeing the cleanup. it's actually -- if anything, i'm surprised how quickly the cleanup has taken place. how well the local governments are coordinating. you know, today, for example, when i was with the coast guard, i learned the u.s. military flew coast guard helicopters down so that the coast guard pilots would be fresh. that kind of thing that's happening is, frankly, reassuring. however, obviously, our heart breaks for the loss of life and some folks who have lost everything when it comes to their property as well. >> what is -- the president is
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going to be in naples. give me a sense of how quickly you think naples recovers and what you're hoping for from the president's visit. >> oh, the first thing is this has been a horrible storm. again, loss of life and property. first thing that comes to mind, though, is that it could have been much, much worse. and it's going to recover. and it's going to recover, i think, relatively quickly. there's going to need -- we're going to need federal help, federal assistance from fema, from the u.s. military, from the coast guard, from different agencies. and, you know, and congress is going to have to step up and do our part. we've already sent letters and have been in contact with not only different agencies but also with the white house. i feel very good as to the response that i've been getting, but this is going to have to be all hands on deck. and we will recover. but it's, you know, look. this has been a bad storm but i repeat. got to be grateful that it
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wasn't a lot worse. >> congressman, our thoughts continue to be with you. thank you very much for joining us and giving us an update. representative mario diaz-balart joins us by phone from d.c. thank you for those of you who caught my error a short moment ago. obviously, rockford, washington, is on the idaho border. thanks for the geography correction there. it is near spokane, washington. that wraps up this hour for me. thank you for watching. "deadline white house" with nicolle wallace starts right now. >> hi, everyone. it's 4:00. safe to say that d.c. is now officially bob mueller's town and everyone else just lives in it. mueller's investigation growing in scope and intensity. nbc news breaking the story today that former national security adviser michael flynn's son is the subject in a federal investigat

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