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giving it back this morning calling it a madman. kim jong-un is threatening a hydrogen bomb over the pacific as the president promises kim jong-un could get tested. we are bringing you the latest developments on this story and another back home. facebook fallout with new reaction from the president today and from capitol hill as the social media giant says it will give congress all the political ads linked to russia. what mark zuckerberg says about whether this could happen again. and then there's a story we talk about a lot on this show you should be talking about, too. what is happening in myanmar with the u.n. calling a textbook example of ethnic cleansing. and the new action by the u.s. by theose in the refugee crisis. kelly o'donnell, low-key schedule for the president today until he those alabama, but he
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woke up wasting zero time responding to kim jong-un. >> reporter: an open schedule may be the work shop of twitter for president trump with some of that cartoon-style rhetoric that you referred to today. he is lashing back after kim jong-un responded to the president's words and actions at the united nations this week. and the president writing just three hours ago, kim jong-un of north korea, as if we didn't know, who is a madman who doesn't mind starving or killing his people will be tested like never before. never before is a rhetorical flourish that the president likes to use, especially when it comes to north korea. remember the fire and fury from august also when he was here in new jersey. so the president who we know likes to describe himself as a counterpuncher seems very comfortable at the escalating of the words, the kind of heated rhetoric. is it a game of rhetorical chicken with leaders trying to shame one another, trying to
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embarrass one another? hard to know the absolute intent here at a time when something is so volatile and so complicated as the president just came out of all these meetings with some of the most important partners in this. the leaders of japan and south korea. so the president is continuing some of his sort of gamesmanship on this issue trying to get north korea to back down. we know that he put his signature on the new executive order dealing with anyone, any entity, any person doing business with north korea to try to shut down their flow of financial revenue, which, of course, fuels their ability to have this program. hallie? >> kelly o'donnell in new jersey, thank you. now to the chief global correspondent bill neely in london. you have leaders from south korea and japan heading home after a week at the united nations and going home to a region less stable than when they left it. what is the the reaction from asia today? >> reporter: good morning, hallie. that is really saying something,
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there's no sign the war of words is calming. the region is tense as ever. clearly the perspective of a hydrogen bomb test over the pacific carries massive risk for japan and south korea especially. any test weapon would fly over their territory. and if you're in an aircraft or ship in the region of an explosion, you are in mortal danger. so their leaders are worried. japan this morning carrying out military drills for the u.s. aircraft carrier ronald reagan off its coast of china. china is trying to calm the frayed nerves appealing to the u.s. and to all sides to stop irritating each other and to meet halfway. now, i don't think whatever halfway means, that is going to happen as we have mentioned president trump tweeting this morning that kim jong-un is obviously a madman that will be tested like never before. and overnight, kim jong-un becoming the first north korean leader ever to address an international audience calling president trump a dodder that
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had us scrambling for the dictionaries and a rogue playing with fire. but the interesting line in the speech was when he said he took trump's insults personally. that's an extraordinary thing for a north korean leader to say. clearly, he's rattled. now, if you're a glass half full kind person, i suppose you might say that finally this is some kind of direct dialogue between the two leaders, but really they are talking at and not to each other. >> that's an interesting point. bill neely, thank you. i want to talk to a former member of the national security council as well as deputy director at the state department under george w. bush. here in d.c. we have editor at large requester if tfor "the at congressional reporter for politico. cory, let me start with you. the idea that the name calling back and forth could be diplomatic dialogue is, i'm sure, eyebrow raising, but
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here's what rex tillerson said this morning about diplomacy. listen. >> our diplomatic efforts continue unabated. we have put in place the strongest economic sanctions ever to have been assembled against kim jong-un. so he's being tested with the sanctions, voices from every corner of the world are calling on him to cease his program and come to the table and let's talk about the future of north korea. >> so cory, when the secretary says the diplomatic efforts continue unabated, what is he talking about? >> well, i think the administration has done a good job on the diplomatic front if you discount the president's own behavior. there are country that is are no longer allowing north korean diplomatic representatives, spain and others are sending them home. the secondary sanctions the treasury department put in place. and it appears china will respect or at least are talking a good game now.
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so -- president trump didn't cause this problem. the north koreans caused this problem with their relentless pace towards nuclear weapons, mating them to long-range missiles that can attack the united states. but president trump's definitely making it worse. >> you said, kori, if you discount the president's own behavior, the u.s. is doing well on diplomacy. can you do that? >> no, you can't do that. but we have been doing a terrible job diplomatically. when you look at what it took to get the iran deal, that is suspect to a lot of people, russia, europe, other players were seamlessly involved in trying to cripple iran's economy and to come forward with a conclusion so they created back door for iran to move into. that is not happening with north korea. north korea dlo dpiplomacy is erratic, whether you talk to h.r. mcmaster or the good guys, then you get the president's mixed messages.
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it is great that china is shutting down on the finance front, but look, north korea has survived in the most toxic commercial environment ever. and the notion that china or anyone is going to, you know, stop bags of cash getting into north korea just is inane. >> we'll talk about the china sufficien is insufficient. >> we'll talk about the madman, would you be able to tell who was saying which? and is that a problem? >> no. no. and it really is a problem, hallie, because the united states, north korea is internationally isolated diplomatically and to a large extent commercially. the united states' great advantage tis that we play spors and the administration has done a terrific job of keeping the japanese and south koreans moving forward together with us in a crisis that is very difficult to do given the vulnerability of those two
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societies to attack by north korea. so i disagree with my friend steve a little bit on that. holding japan and south korea together on this and getting two rounds of u.n. security council sanctions have been significant. >> let's talk more about the actions that china has been doing. it's critical to what happens in north korea. kellyanne conway has been discussing the new actions by the chinese banks. listen. >> all of that threaded together shows new leaders taking seriously president trump's actions, not his threats, not his words, words are talk is cheap, but that's the currency here in washington for many. >> so the report that the bank of china is telling ancillary branches to stop doing business with north korea. how big of a deal is that? >> it is super important but we need to learn more about it. as steve mentioned, the problem with diplomacy is how to get china participate in this with north korea as well. china is saying more than they have in the past, but i don't
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know if it is enough. whether it is actually stopping, that's a funnel of money for north korea. but we don't know if that is happening. >> the last time china took actions it had an effect and brought north korea to the table. >> that's true. and it is important to remember there's a sanctions bill that already passed congress and some lawmakers want to go further. so there will be a desire for congressional oversight on the china move to see if we should pass more north korea sanctions. >> steve? >> i think we're trying to pretend that banks and normal ways that countries do business with one another is how north korea operates. north korea survives by dealing with the most elicit, gross parts of drug dealing, narco crime, so imagine yourself trying to cut off one of the greatest narco gangs in the world. that is what we're dealing with here. they are not playing by the rules of banking. why i think it is terrific that china and the central bank of china stepped forward with what they are doing, it is not enough. >> but it is better than doing nothing. >> it is better than doing nothing, but it is wrong to think it is definitive or
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decisive in this matter. >> kori, you work with the president who coined the phrase "axis of evil" 15 years ago. how are we at a place this morning where we have problems with two-thirds of the countries? >> right. because they are hard problems to solve. i mean, in the case of north korea, you know, seoul, south korea, sits in the artillery range of the north korean border and the north koreans are constant threat to them. what north korea is threatening to do now with its test is demonstrate that it has the ability to make some of its 20 nuclear weapons to long-range missiles that have the potential to attack the united states. that's a gathering storm. no american president has been willing to preemptively or preventively destroy the north korean nuclear programs because of the risk to our allies. that's the constraint on the problem. 15 years ago, that's the
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constraint on the problem now. >> and in 15 years from now, kori? >> well, 15 years from now, i hope kim jong-un won't be ruling north korea because president bush was right. he is evil. the entire dynasty has been evil. if you look at the difference in per capita gdp, much less freedom between south and north korea, that's the difference that the terrible governance of north korea has made. so president trump is not wrong to castigate that. but this is a problem with a very thin margin of error. and the president's being quite reckless. >> steve, very briefly, last words to you, and i just want to talk about iran, another huge problem here for donald trump looking at not recertifying, leading towards that according to our reporting based on core sources close to and inside the administration. >> look, i think the consequences are that it makes the united states very small, very -- loses leverage, alienates allies and empowers
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iran to take a reckless behavior itself with the united states. and it gives north korea a lesson of what not to do in deal making with the united states. so the course that the president is intimating, we don't know he's going to go there yet, but it is very dangerous to the interest of the united states and really underminds us, but it underminds us with the allies part of the negotiating deal. this is not a u.s. deal with iran, a global deal with iran. >> steve clemmons, always a pleasure. kori shocke, thank you for coming on. to puerto rico where millions are facing a new reality with no electricity and no infrastructure after hurricane maria. look at this helicopter rescue just off the island's coast. and in mexico, their rescuers are holding on to hope with time running out with earthquake survivors still being pulled out of the rubble days later. we've got a live report from on the ground, next.
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i need help because my husband is so bad. we need help. >> this morning people in puerto rico need help. 13 people are dead after hurricane maria. 700 others have been rescued so far, including this rescue. take a look, this is dramatic footage from the u.s. coast guard and the british royal navy. look at this, they saved a woman and two children who were
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clinging to their capsized boat being tossed around in the 20-foot waves off the coast yesterday. and rescuers were also holding out hopes in mexico city, where search teams from the u.s. and around the world are on the ground, but they are running out of time to find anybody alive after this week's erts quake. we'll get the latest on the rescue efforts in mexico city. mariana atencio is there. this could be the last day to try to save some lives. >> reporter: you're seeing it behind me, hallie, the desperate last-minute efforts to save lives at this textile factory in mexico city. i'm going to get out of the way mere to see what the scene looks like. you have people swinging hammers, pulling debris by hand, they have been doing that overnight and throughout the morning. they are pulling cars from what is left of the parking lot even just to give you some context, locals call this the seam
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stresses. it is a three-story factory completely pancaked after the earthquake, just to give you an idea, workers are standing on what is left of the factory, hallie. but overnight, hope emerging from the rubble as our colleague steve paterson was able to look at the dramatic rescue of two people from the debris. we are seeing hands go up in the air which means i have to remain quiet. hallie, back to you as we respect the moment of silence. >> mariana is going quiet there because what happens when people raise their fist, it means they are looking for silence on the ground. so that they can listen to people, any survivors. >> reporter: it looks like the moment of silence has -- it looks like the moment of silence has passed, hallie.
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but we do want to respect it when it does happen. as i was saying, this factory was three stories high. completely pancaked. this morning we have seen people pulling cars by hand, pulling rope with the debris, there's roughly about a thousand workers here. they are trying to save lives. >> tammy late lettner is also watching the latest in san juan, puerto rico. >> reporter: we are in an area called ocean park. those are rescue crews going out in that boat. so about ten minutes ago, we saw a lot of rescue workers, a lot of emergency personnel as well
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as ambulances come into this area. details are still very minimum at this point, but all that i know is that the mayor is actually spear-heading this rescue. we're here, we spoke with her spokesperson just a couple minutes ago. she apparently knows people in this area or has family in this area. and is the one that launched this rescue right now. let me move out of the way so we don't get hit by the ambulance. there's been a number of boats that have gone out. and they brought in about four more, apparently there are more than one building full of people. if we can come over here to take a look, we've got guys that are suiting up in high waters. we've got guys that are suiting up over here getting ready to go in. more boats of people just pulling up. hallie, as i mentioned, it is a very active situation and we'll stay with it until they get the people out. >> and tammy, i'm going to ask you to stay on the scene because we'll come back to you in a
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second when we see developments going on there in puerto rico. because this is a scene unfolding all over the island. tammy lettner. >> reporter: i can't hear anything you're saying anymore. >> we'll come back to you. we'll get the earpiece fixed for you. in the meantime here in washington, we're heading down south as things are getting heated in alabama where special run-off elections for jeff sessions seat is a few days away. donald trump is going to campaign for his guy, luther strange, but the opponent has the backing of pretty influential conservatives. steve kornacki is with us for a special friday treat to break it down. with 33 individual vertebrae and 640 muscles in the human body no two of us are alike. life made more effortless through adaptability.
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we are back now with a look at the morning's headlines. in 30 minutes from now, we are looking to a rare public appearance by the former fbi director james comey. he'll deliver the 150th opening convocation address not too far for us here in d.c. at howard university today. highway wi he will also be leading lectures at a historically black college. and he will help howard students that come from foster homes. we'll talk travel,
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specifically tom price. because politico reports the health secretary has taken two dozen flights on private charters since early may with taxpayers picking up the tab. politico says this is more than $300,000 in expenses according to review of federal contracts and similar trip itineraries. the use of the private jets is of the departure of those who spoke commercially in the u.s. talking about the private plane travels, the piece didn't take into consideration the reality of what it is like to manage such a big agency and to manage the travel schedule, saying that secretary price has a lot of demands on his time. we should also note democrats requested the hhs inspector general review his use of private planes for government business. and the marine corps, is about to mark a milestone moment. with the its first female infantry officer in the marines' nearly 250-year history.
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the lieutenant is scheduled to graduate monday after completing the 13-week infantry officer course. her name has not been made public, but sources told "the washington post" it is not very likely she'll come forward or do immediate interviews referring to a quiet professional who focuses on her job. congratulations to her. and up tonight it is role time for president trump heading to alabama just a few days before a runoff that will decide which republican will compete for jeff sessions' old seat. but before donald trump lands, he's basically everywhere in this race. with both candidates looking to link themselves to a president pretty popular in alabama. "the washington post" describes a debate last night between luther strange and roy moore as a noun, a very b and donald tru. he supports luther strange, who was appointed to temporarily fill the seat back in february. but this is now become basically a proxy war between mitch mcconnell who backs strange and steve bannon and sarah palin there. and their wing of the conservative movement who are all in on roy moore, the former chief justice of the alabama
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supreme court. let's bring in nbc news and msnbc national political correspondent steve kornacki hanging out with us on a friday to give us the lay of the land. so steve, even the president is acknowledged now that strange does not have this thing locked up. >> no, absolutely not. there's a lot of suspense down there in alabama, like you said, it's moore versus strange, the names on the ballot, but what is so fascinating is this is donald trump, his interests are not aligned with steve bannon, a lot of the anti-establishment republicans who have been behind donald trump the whole way. so it's a fascinating tension there. here's what trump's trying to pull off. so again, his candidate, luther strange, came in second place in the preliminary. this is a rungoff, moore and strange, mo brooks came in third and is eliminated, but mo brooks endorsed roy moore in this race. so trump's candidate already finished behind roy moore in the preliminary by six points. the third candidate eely na lel
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threw support behind moore. you have palin rallying around roy moore. he's popular with the conservative grassroots in alabama. and you have luther strange, in a lot of ways, the face of the establishment. you mentioned mitch mcconnell in washington backing him. now the former republican governor, robert bentley, who left the office under shady circumstances, he appointed luther strange. so this is who donald trump is trying to push across the finish line. big rally today. keep this in mind, though, we talk all the time about donald trump's approval rate nationally. 37% in the latest gallop poll. that is not to write home about. you look in alabama, he's more popular in alabama, over 50%. that's not that bad. but here it is. this is an alabama republican runoff next tuesday. among alabama republicans, almost 90% of them like donald trump. so we will see. this is one of the constituencies, he's the most popular with, he's going down there and he's telling them, you need to do this for me.
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>> and luther strange is overjoyed about it to have that donald trump stamp of approval. i want to bring in nick johnston and alana shore still with us. the president treed, i'm going to be in alabama tonight. luther strange has gained mightily since my endorsement, but will be very close. he loves alabama and so do i. then you had this twitter moment in the debate last night between moore and strange. here it is. >> the first question is, who does the president support? the president supports me. if you have not followed the president on twitter, i urge you to do. so. >> this race is not a me against the president. it's not me against the vice president. it's me against mr. strange. >> the pitch to follow donald trump on twitter. and number two, it kind of is roy moore against the president, or at least steve bannon and that wing against president trump. >> it's so crazy to have a guy who was endorsed by trump saying, if you like trump, vote for me. and then the other people who
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support trump saying, no, we're going to vote for the other guy. i think we talked about this earlier many the break, mitch mcconnell is an easy, standard, reliable conservative, and that is what he wants out of mr. strange, roy moore is a wild card. that's why mitch mcconnell doesn't want him in the senate and trump does. >> roy moore will use that to his advantage, tying luther strange to mitch mcconnell, who is not as popular by a long shot as donald trump in alabama. >> absolutely. and importantly, he said he would not support mitch mcconnell's obamacare repeal bill. >> right. there will be effects if moore ends up in the senate. >> and no better proof that roy moore would undercut mitch mcconnell's agenda, that's the number one priority, and roy moore is not behind him. it's a big deal. >> there's a reason that people who live in alabama should care about this race. >> this will play out larger on a national scale. remember these are the attention that the republican party has received since the beginning. steve bannon is behind this. and it's becoming more establishment and working with
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mitch mcconnell or the other side winning. >> steve, there's this political philosophy sort of being kicked around right now, but if roy moore ends up winning this primary next week, that it might open up a shot, a very long shot for democrats maybe, at least if you listen to senator chris van hallen who heads-up the democratic campaign arm. is that total wishful thinks for a political party that never paid attention to alabama? >> well, it's close to it, but i don't want to go all the way there. i'll tell you why. yes, alabama, deeply conservative, you have to go back to the early 1990s when democrats were able to compete in senate elections, statewide elections down there. but roy moore, he has a very polarizing reputation and image in alabama. and, of course, there is some when you get outside the republican base, there is some discontent that donald trump is kicking up that extends to some country in the state in some way. if you're a democrat, you have on your mind when you say what chris van hallen said, it
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happened in massachusetts of january 2010, barack obama was president, he carried massachusetts in the landslide in 2008. there was a special senate election there. and a republican, scott brown, won that special election. it was never supposed to happen. it was for ted kennedy's seat. think of that example and say, yeah, in an environment like this with just the right circumstances, funny things can happen. not likely, but i can't say it's impossible. >> and that is very much stressing out mitch mcconnell and the folks in d.c. nick and alana, stick around for a couple minutes. steve kornacki, my friend, thank you so much. great to see you in new york this week. appreciate you being with us here on this program. >> any time. >> coming up next, we'll shift away from alabama and come back to this major announcement from facebook. ceo mark zuckerberg talking about the social media giant turning over ads to congress for its russia investigation. so what does that really mean? and what are the effects?
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washington, facebook will now turn over some 3,000 russian-linked ads to congress and special counsel robert mueller into part of the investigation into moscow's meddling into the 2016 election. national technology reporter craig tinberg is joucining us. craig, what information is being turned over to special counsel and why did facebook do a 180 here? >> there are more than 3,000 ads we believe russians bought through facebook accounts. facebook has had these for some time but wasn't willing to show them to investigators on the hill or leave them copies to analyze them properly. so now they, under a lot of pressure and public and private pressure from congress, they have delivered it. so we'll have to see how consequential then ends up being, but it sounds important to me. >> it sounds important to a lot of folks like mark warner.
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the democratic senator said this is an important step. what else have you heard as far as reaction from the hill? >> well, what is going on on the hill is a question of, is legislation necessary? should there be more, should washington force facebook to be more forthcoming on who buys the ads, what ads they buy, so there is mounting political pressure on the facebook fronts. no tech company wants to be dealing with washington on regulation or new legislation. >> facebook acknowledged in the statement from, i think, one of the top lawyers, that this was a difficult decision for them. the idea of turning over information to the government, they sort of really cringed at that it seemed. >> yeah, look, in a post-norton world, no entity wants to be seen works so closely with the federal government. facebook has legitimate demands of information from the government. they don't want to by peer to users as turning over documents to the government, and then they
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have to fight off the new laws and regulations. so it is a very difficult place for facebook and the tech industry to find itself in after years and years in which they have gotten pretty much everything they wanted out of washington. >> people are paying attention at the highest levels of power here, including donald trump sitting up in new jersey out on this tweet storm this morning, who said the russia hoax continues. now it's ads on facebook. what about the totally biased and dishonest media coverage in favor of crooked hillary? that's what the president has tweeted. why would the president's legal team care about this? >> why not? there's no downside in going after facebook right now. this is the start of probably the biggest story of our time. everyone figuring out both politics and policy and the public realizing the power of the companies accumulating and the important role in society. and there are no controls over it. now people are going after facebook, amazon, google, all should be on watch. >> it's important to remember what mark warner wants to do on the hill is create party between the social media ad disclosures.
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it is a bipartisan idea. up wouldn't be shocked if republicans look at that. >> are there any joining up with him? >> not yet, but this is the start of it. they are circulating letters. keep in mind, the russia investigation so far has been very political and anti-trump. if this turns into an investigation into the tech companies, republicans might like that. >> and it may open up a window politically for them to get on board. >> i think if there's any political downside for the companies going after them and they see that, too. >> talking about twitter, the president's favorite platform, twitter is coming to capitol hill next week, too. what is going on? >> so twitter has had a problem for a long time with bots and propaganda flowing through the network. there's tons of good research on this. the hill reasonably has the same questions about twitter as facebook, who did what to woman a whom and how? were there actors involved? and they want answers from twitter. twitter has not been forthcoming over this for many years. now that washington is engaged,
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all the tech companies are going to have to play ball and answer questions that they have been reluctant to answer so far. >> let me throw this question out to the group, i don't know if there's a satisfactory answer, but if you're at home on facebook or twitter, not at politico or working in washington, how do you know if what you're seeing is propaganda or not? that seems to be the issue lawmakers want to get at here, craig. >> it's very difficult for the experts to slice and dice this stuff and figure out what falls into what pots. but generally if you, i think if you're an alert consumer of news on facebook or twitter, there are some signs. if you follow links that follow back to sputnik, you should be concerned. or sours you have never heard from, you should be concerned. a lot of facebook and twitter and google, the platforms are massively manipulative.
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you should be on guard when picking up the morning newspaper. when you publish something on the "washington post" or anywhere else, you -- if we get something wrong, you can go and complain and we'll fix it. but something that comes of your news field from some source you have never heard of, be weary of that, whether the russians or anybody else behind hit. >> very quickly, final thoughts, alana. >> i agree with everything he said. time is of the essence. 2018 is coming up and there's power in the midterms. >> now people are coming after the companies. >> thank you all for hanging out. i appreciate it. thank you, too, for being onset. we are taking a look at the humanitarian crisis unfolding in southeast asia. over the past month, almost half a million refugees left myanmar and have gone to bangladesh. so next up, we are looking firsthand at the horrors facing the rohingya after the myanmar
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there is a lot of news coming out of the u.n. general assembly this week, but the major topic went undercover. and that was the humanitarian crisis currently unfolding in southeast i that. so here's what's happening and
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why you need to pay attention to it. look at this map. over the past month, nearly half a million refugees have streamed out of myanmar, also known as burma. you can see it south of china text to thailand. the people are crossing the border into bangladesh settling in makeshift camps. the refugees are made up of a group called the hrohingya. they are muslim. the government does not recognize the rohingya as citizens. now look at your tv if you are not already, because this summer after a series of rohingya insurgent attacks on burmese police, government troops responded with fire burning thousands of rohingya homes and killing who knows how many people with reports of rape, beheadings, executions. that is prompting the mass exodus we have seen over the last few weeks with the u.n. now describing this as ethnic cleansing. children make up 60% of the
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hundreds of thousands of refugees who have crossed the border according to the associated press. and unicef has counted more than 1,400 children who have crossed the border without any parent at all. crossed the border without any parent at all. joining me is eric schwartz, former assistant secretary of state for population refugees and migration. eric, thank you for joining us to cover this important story. you just got back from bangladesh yesterday. >> yeah. >> what did you see? >> well, i've been doing this work for about 30 years. this is as bad as i've ever seen it. story after story, reports of the burmese military firing incendiary devices into villages, people fleeing, people being shot when they were fleeing. time and again, a consistent pattern of some of the most heart wrenching stories you can possibly imagine. >> like? >> like visiting a hospital in cox's ba sar and sitting --
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visiting a woman with a 17-year-old girl who is lying there distraught, a vacant look in her eyes. the mother said she had been tied up by the military and now had pains in her stomach. which was code for terrible sexual abuse. story after story. one of the most difficult visits, missions i've ever been on. you said ethnic cleansing. there are -- it's certainly ethnic cleansing. there's also no question that these are crimes against humanity. a pattern of atrocities that really the world needs to stand -- to take knonotice of a act vigorously. >> how? the state department says it's going to contribute $32 million in humanitarian aid. that seems like not nearly enough. >> it's not nearly enough. the needs have been estimated in hundreds of millions of dollars over the course of a year. the u.n. said $200 million for the next six months. more will be needed.
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and support for the government of bangladesh which has said it's prepared to be on the right side of history and support these people. much more importantly, we've got to go after the burmese military. and the united states has started. several weeks after this all began, the united states has started to speak out on this. we understand vice president pence had some pretty strong words. but much more needs to be done. we ought to be deploying an envoy to the region. we ought to be reimposing targeted sanction. we ought to be making clear we will prohibit military to military cooperation. we should be moving in the security council for sanctions. there's a whole range of activities we need to be doing we're not doing yet. >> and what about the message to aung san suu kyi? i want to play a bit of what she had to say that raised eyebrows all over the world when she said it this week. listen. >> it is not the intention of the government to apportion
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blame or responsibility. we condemn all human rights violations and unlawful violence. there have been allegations and counterallegations. and we have to listen to all of them. >> now, let me just remind people. she is a nobel peace prize winner. she was hailed as a hero for her work on the humanitarian side. now there are calls from the international the community for her to be way stronger about this. why isn't she? >> well, you need to ask her. i mean, i think she hasn't demonstrated great sympathy for the plight of the rohingya people over the past many years. i met her in 2014 as part of a mission with the commission on international religious freedom which i was a member. and she hasn't demonstrated great sympathy for the part of the rohingya, but she's also in a difficult position. >> could face a coup back home. >> that's right. but even if she's not prepared to stand up and speak about principle, she shouldn't be a
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cheerleader for the military. she spoke about the rohingya in this speech as a number of little afflicted areas. that was a bone chilling phrase for me to hear. i think even if she's not prepared to be a beacon of human rights, she need not be an apologist for the military. >> we've been looking at some pictures here of kids who have crossed the border from myanmar to bangladesh. we talk about these numbers, these children who are now orphans. maybe dead, lost, gone. who's taking ownership of these youngest victims, these refugees? >> well, the -- at this point, it's really going to be the international humanitarian agent sis. it's going to be unicef, the u.n. high commission for refugees. they're the ones. but i have to tell you that young woman i spoke -- that young girl i spoke to -- >> the 17-year-old. >> i don't know if she's getting the kind of psychosocial
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services she needs. i mean, frankly, i wrote back to the association of immigration for that particular case because i was concerned. that's one of hundreds of thousands. so the international agencies need to step up in a significant and substantial way. >> what is so striking is that the people who survive what we've already seen and talked about, their villages burning to the ground, the trek across the border. if they survive all that, then they end in one of these camps where there's not much food, not much water, perhaps not enough care. >> we were in cox's bazaar. you couldn't move around. and the conditions were atrocious. but also, this is a rwanda moment. this is a moment where ten years from now people will ask, what did you do? what action did you take? because these crimes are of enormous proportion. >> eric schwartz, i appreciate you joining us fresh off your flight from bangladesh where you've been on the ground dealing with this situation.
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today's big picture comes to us from barcelona, spain. you're looking at protesters. look at this wild scene. where there's some real drama over an independence vote. catalonia is looking to split with the rest of spain, but the spanish government is trying to crack down on that referendum by arresting a dozen regional
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officers this week and seizing ballot papers. leaders are going to ignore orders to suspend the vote while a judge determines if it's legal. the photographer of this from reuters. love to hear your thoughts as always on facebook, twitter, snapchat, and instagram as i get ready to head over to the white house and off for the weekend. meantime, lots of coverage with ali velshi and stephanie rhule. >> where are you? >> are we doing the mannequin challenge? >> i thought you were here all week. i got here early into the studio just to hang out with you. >> came back last night. had business to attend to. >> unfortunately, he's stuck just getting me. good morning, everyone. i'm stephanie rhule. >> and i'm ali velshi. we've got a lot to get to this morning. let's get started. >> hope in the rubble of mexico city. earthquake survivors are still being found. >>

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