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someone, i think the president, is smart enough not to want this republican bill to pass. it's the only way he, donald trump, escapes being ceo of the country's hilgtd care with the complaint window being right there in front of the white house. and that's "hardball" for now. "all in with chris hayes" starts right now. tonight on "all in." >> no. >> senator john mccain rides again. >> he can't have everything. boy oh boy. >> tonight the reaction from happy democrats, angry donors, and a late-night talk show host. >> we haven't seen this many people come forward to speak out against a bill since cosby. >> as john mccain deals president trump yet another setback. >> nobody knew that health care could be so complicated. then the new investigation into tom price's private jet travel. the nuclear gamble of the president's twitter beef with a dictator. >> rocket man is on a suicide mission. >> we'll go live to alabama for
a trumpworld battle royale. >> the swamp can't win here! this is our red line! >> "all in" starts right now. >> good evening from austin. i'm chris hayes. minutes from now the president of the united states will take the stage before a fervent crowd at a campaign rally in alabama. and one can only imagine what he'll have to say about senator john mccain, who for the second time appears to have dealt a fatal blow to his own party's latest effort to repeal and replace obamacare. in a statement earlier today, mccain blasted the process that led to the current bill saying, "i cannot in good conscience vote for the graham-cassidy proposal. i believe we could do better working together, republicans and democrats, and have not yet really tried. nor could i support it without knowing how much it will cost, how it will affect insurance premiums, and how many people will be helped or hurt by it.
i take no pleasure in announcing my opposition, far from it. the bill's authors are my dear friends and i think the world of them." one of the bill's cosponsors senator lindsey graham is mccain's closest friend in the senate. he responded on twitter, my friendship with senator john mccain is not based on how he votes but respect for how he's lived his life and the person he is." republicans now have just over a week left to try to pass the graham-cassidy bill with a simple majority under the special procedural rules which expire september 30th. and it only gives them room to lose two votes. with mccain's announcement today, those two votes are now spoken for. senator rand paul has already declared his opposition on the grounds the bill doesn't go far enough. and of the two gop senators who voted with mccain last time around when he took that dramatic stand on the senate floor to kill the previous obamacare repeal bill, susan collins of maine says she's leaning against the current proposal, while lisa murkowski remains undecided. a no-vote from either of those two women, who already voted no once, would spell the end of
graham-cassidy. now it remains to be seen whether republican leadership will proceed with lance for a vote next week, but according to senator joanie ernest at a town hall today, the writing is already on the wall already >> even before mccain's announcement, the tide had already begun to shift against the graham-cassidy bill. it wasn't just that almost every single group representing doctors, hospitals, nurses, patients, children, seniors, even the insurance industry, came out against the bill over the last 48 hours. last night, medicaid directors from every single state, all 50 states, red and blue, the very people who would be charged with implementing this bill, put out a unanimous statement arguing
the legislation would weaken state programs. the most outspoken crusader against the bill was arguably late night host jimmy kimmel who used his national platform four nights in a row this week to slam republican efforts. >> lindsey graham, the senator who cowrote the bill, says donald trump is focused like a laser on health care. and i'm guessing he means he's focused in the same way that cats on youtube are focused on lasers. i guarantee he doesn't know anything about this graham-cassidy bill. he doesn't know the difference between medicare and medicaid. i barely knows the difference between melania and ivanka. >> today kimmel had a message for john mccain. thank you, senator john mccain, for being a hero again and again and now again. lonny chen was the policy director for mitt romney's 2012 presidential campaign and wrote an op ed for "the wall street journal" this week arguing graham-cassidy is republicans' last chance on obama care reform. lonny? what do you think? >> well, yeah, it was the last
chance. and it looks like that last chance has gone away. i have a very difficult time seeing where the votes are on this. i mean, obviously there are still two sort of outstanding questions around lisa murkowski and susan collins. but i don't see either of those individuals voting for the bill. so i think this opportunity has passed for republicans. >> i mean, what is your diagnosis of why this keeps happening? >> well, i think there's a couple things, chris. i think people don't realize that republicans disagree a lot more on health care policy than people really understand. i think that drove the failure of the first effort back in june. you know, you talk about the medicaid expansion as a perfect example. you've got some republicans like susan colins that come from states where that was a very big deal. you've got other republicans that come from states where it wasn't accepted and it wasn't as big a deal. so i think that's one issue. the other issue is the process really wasn't very good here. whether it was with the first bill back several months ago, or
in this situation. the process gave opponents a hook. it gave john mccain a hook. and it eventually sunk this thing. >> you know, one of the things that was so interesting, so john mccain, he flies back from chemotherapy to washington, d.c. to cast a series of procedural votes that culminate in this unbelievably dramatic thumbs-down moment. and in that he gives a speech basically saying, this process was ridiculous, this is not the way we should do business. and then what happens is they go and do the exact same process. i mean, it's like, what did you think was going to happen? it was weirdly calling john mccain's bluff in a way that seemed to me would be humiliating for him to retreat from personally. >> yeah, i mean, i think there's any number of different things. you look at the statement that chuck grassley made. i'm sure you've covered this. he basically said, look, it almost doesn't matter what's in the bill. that's not exactly the message you want to be conveying, right? >> no. >> i can make arguments on the substance of this, i think substantively there are things in graham-cassidy to like, i've made that argument.
but if you start talking about it in terms of raw politics, that explains a lot. and frankly the reason that they went back at this thing again is because they said, look, we have until september 30th, we have this bullet left in the chamber on reconciliation. if we don't use it, it's essentially wasted. i think they figured they'd give it one more try. but obviously the repetition of this the second time did not work out any better than the first. >> so i want to present you a cynical view of this. and i want you to try to persuade me why it's not true. but the cynical view is they just don't care. have no real governing vision. if you actually cared about the way you structure the xhern economy, if you cared what it would look like to devolve state health care regimes to all 50 states which the heads of every medicaid of every state said, this looks terrifying, then you wouldn't do this. it's hard to square the process with any genuine serious engagement in a desire to create
actually some governing vision. >> yeah, i don't obviously disagree. it's not that they don't care. i think the challenge is, first of all, a lot of republicans are uncomfortable talking about health care policy. they haven't given it a lot of thought over the years. there are fundamental, as i said earlier, disagreements. i think the other thing, chris, here that is it would have been very different if president trump had, say, campaigned on a specific plan. and let's say graham-cassidy was his plan. this would have been litigated during the campaign. this would have been an issue that would have come up during the campaign. but that's not what happened here, right? we ended up in january, we have this mad dash to figure out where the republicans stand on health care policy. if the president comes out and says, look, this is my plan. everyone by definition, particularly in that first 100 days, is going to fall in behind the president. that's not what we had here. look, there's a lot of recriminations to go around. one person i'm not going to blame is john mccain. john mccain served this country honorably. he's got a point of view. i happen to disagree with it. but this is not his fault. >> we should also note that jimmy kimmel late night comedian
spent probably 1,000 times as much air time talking about this legislation than the president of the united states did. so, i mean, that was part of it as well. lonny chen, thanks for being here. >> thanks, chris. a politics reporter for "the daily beast," he's got a new report that jimmy kimmel got a hand from chuck schumer in his fight against obamacare repeal. aswin, tell me about this, tell me about the back and forth between kimmel and schumer. >> sure. well, ever since jimmy kimmel came out against republican obamacare repeal efforts months ago, democrats on capitol hill, not just chuck schumer's office, identified him as a sea media ally, or potential key media ally, in the fights to come over health care in this country. and as the graham-cassidy fight heated up, schumer's office saw this as an opportunity to reach back out to jimmy kimmel and his team on the west coast. having said that, sources close
to kimmel told me and my two other colleagues at "the daily beast" that jimmy kimmel was planning to do this anyway. this was an issue he cared about. having said that, chuck schumer and his team actively encouraged the late-night host. and was more than happy to provide him with useful links to think tank daet data on why these republican obamacare gutting efforts were so bad or so barbaric, in their view. and periodically stayed in touch for a matter of months, sort of building a relationship. >> you know, it strikes me as somewhat remarkable that, i mean, he's probably now devoted, i don't know, 25 minutes of air time, something in that neighborhood? i mean, it is the most-sustained discussion of health care policy in just terms of length of time on network television, possibly, in recent memory. >> right. and it was something because of the issue with his own newborn
child and his family that he cared deeply about. and as mr. kimmel said repeatedly on the air, that he has money to take care of his family. like, this wasn't as much a problem for him. and that he was speaking out on it because he was concerned with the millions of americans who may not have the same luxuries as someone as famous or wealthy as he is. and the funny thing about this is, as you and your viewers certainly know, it does not take that much for the president of the united states to launch off a barrage of hate tweets against celebrities or enemy politicians nowadays. and the people we talked to in the white house were actually surprised that president trump has not yet hate-tweeted jimmy kimmel. having said that, as of today, one white house official told us that they suspected the president will be more occupied with people like john mccain on his twitter feed, or rand paul, instead of jimmy kimmel. but his barrage of saturday morning tweets is not that many hours away. so we'll see. >> well, and he's also going to be taking the stage at a rally
where he may very well go off on whoever is in his sights at this moment. aswin, thank you very much. >> thank you for having me. >> josh barrow, senior editor of "business insider." michelle gold bear, columnist for "the new york times." this has really been a remarkable thing to watch. we were talking about discussing this, how to do this segment, it was sort of walking a fine line between, it's dead again, but that it's never dead. it's a groundhog's day sort of situation. that said, i was really -- i thought this "new york times" article was fascinating about behind the new obamacare repeal vote, furious gop donors. and this to me, josh, is part what was has made this process decrepit from the beginning. it was all driven by republican officials feeling like they had to make good on a promise to their donors more than 9 else. >> yeah, two aspects to this. one is going back and trying again because they feel they'll be punished by the donors if
they don't pass this. the other thing is all of these individual republicans in washington trying to prove that it's not their fault personally that this didn't happen. so mitch mcconnell has to show he tried as hard as he could. so he has to -- i think they may vote on this thing, even though they know it's going to fail, because mitch doesn't want to be blamed, he wants the blame to lie with whoever votes no. there's a certain kabuki aspect of it there. i'm not sure -- now that they're not getting this done, i don't think they're going to repeal it in this congress. but i don't think it's done at september 30th either. this deadline is artificial. this year the budget -- the fiscal year for the government will end in eight days and the budget instructions they have for this year wa set up and you can't use this after september 30th. but they can write new instructions next year and the plan had been tax reform. orrin hatch, the senator from utah, raced the prospect, write the instructions to do both, stick both in one bill. this is politically a horrible idea. it's a good way to kill tax reform by tying to it obamacare repeal. >> yes. >> but i think once we get to october 1st, people will forget
there was a deadline and basically say, you promised, you have to try again, let's try doing it in next year's budget. i think the story may be with us another year with these periodic, episodic efforts to repeal. you get closer to the election, the politics of actually doing it just get worse and worse. >> michelle, speaking of the election. i am particularly obsessed with dean heller, the nevada senator, who is the only republican up for election senator in a state hillary clinton won. he's in a precarious position. and, you know, here he is standing next to the governor in a state just a few months ago basically initially opposing the last version of the senate bill because of medicaid cuts. take a listen. >> i want to protect medicaid expansion states, and i want to make sure that the work that this governor did continues long-term and -- it's all about nevadaens. it's all about health care. this is about individuals being able to go and see their doctor. >> all right, so heller, who is seen as a squish, then gets a
primary tea party challenger named danny cartanian frchlt right who comes out against this version of the bill which heller's a cosponsor of because it cuts people off from medicaid. at the same time we have a press conference promising not to cut medicate for nevadaens, this is double deceitful dean heller. how incredible is this plot twist, michelle? >> i mean, i think it goes to show how much the politics of this are divorced from the content of the bill. my sense is that dean heller basically realized that although these in a state hillary won that people who voted for hillary are by and large not going to vote for him so his primarily political hurdle lies in this primary, which is the problem that we face all across the board, right? we might have a majority of the country that hates this bill, just as we have a majority of this country that hates this the president, a majority of the country that wants a democratic congress. they're not the majority that has any influence in either the
creation of policy or in republicans' electoral calculations. >> and not only that josh. one of the remarkable things watching all of these different legislative attempts, it's almost been like a political science experiment. because there's so much bizarre behavior. i mean, interest groups carry a lot of sway on capitol hill. they really carry a lot of sway on these sorts of issues. health care, for instance. here you have everyone, like everyone from like the most sort of benign march of dimes to like lefties like the nurses unions to very conservative organizations like ahip, the american medical association. everyone saying, don't do this, don't do this. and the republicans still trying to do it. >> well, but they failed. and i think -- or they appear to have failed. and i think that interest group opposition is a reason for that. but i think you're right that a lot of the behavior here has been inexplicable. for example the reason jimmy kimmel has been so prominent is that senator bill cassidy, the
sponsor in this latest version, went on jimmy kimmel's show months ago to talk about all the wonderful things he was going to do to protect people like kimmel's son. and senator cassidy coined the term "the kimmel test" and said he would not support a bill that didn't pass the kimmel test, which is to say it had to protect people so if they had pre-existing conditions they could buy health insurance. why would you go on national television and say that, if you were going to some months later turn around and sponsor a bill that failed that test? it's similar to the stuff senator heller did, getting on one side of the bill, getting on the other side of the bill. politically it seems way worse to be on both sides of the issue than to be on one side and stick with it. it doesn't make sense strategically. all these republicans in the senate are only able to see ten feet in front of their face trying to do the thing that will get them the least abuse in the next 24 hours, whether that's from the electorate or their donors or whatever, it's made them unable to formulate a strategy, it's why they keep running in circles like this. >> michelle, it has to do with promises made that they cannot square.
the president ran on not cutting medicaid. quite explicitly. we're going to cover everybody, we're going to have a great plan. they kept ending up in a position where they couldn't deliver the thing they said they were going to deliver. >> right, because they've been lying to people. they've been lying to people for eight years. and then donald trump lied to people throughout his campaign, both about obamacare's failures and about the possibility of replacing it with something that was at once cheaper and more expansive, right? this was never possible. he never had a plan. in terms of what cassidy and some of these other people have been doing, which is basically just blatantly lying about what's in the bill, saying one thing, thinking that their previous statements won't apply when they come out with this new plan, i wonder if that's the influence of the president on this party in which there's just been a total destruction of the reality principle. and i think the reason that it doesn't work here, the reason there's such a backlash, is because people understand in their guts what health care means and what it would mean to
lose coverage for pre-existing conditions. there's other issues that are maybe more abstract and politicians can get away with lying more easily. but this isn't one of them. >> i'm convinced that at some point the president is going to say, the wall is built. even when it's not. and just everyone's going to, okay. josh and michelle, good to have you both. >> thank you. >> thank you. up next, at least 24 private flights and over $300,000 later, hhs secretary tom price now facing a review of just how he's spending taxpayer dollars. i'll talk with a reporter who has been breaking this story about the latest development, his latest scoop in just two minutes.
health and human services secretary tom price is now under investigation following the truly astonishing reports this week that he used hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars to routinely take private charter jets. politico first reported on tuesday that price chartered five private flights last week, over three days, including a
30-seat jet that cost $25,000 to fly him from washington, d.c. and philadelphia. those are just 135 miles apart. then last night another politico report finding price traveled by private plane at least 24 times since may at a price tag in total exceeding $300,000. and that's in just four months. now seeking to justify the costs an hhs spokesperson told "the washington post" today, this is secretary price getting outside of d.c., making sure he's connected with the real american people. an eight-year hhs veteran who left in january tweeting today, as former director of scheduling at hhs during obama admin, i can confirm this is a crazy departure from precedent. and now we'll see if the inspector general for hhs agrees. their office telling nbc today, oig is conducting a review of secretary price's federal travel using chartered aircraft. review focuses on whether the travel complied with federal travel regulations and may
encompass other issues related to the travel. we take this matter very seriously and when questions arose about potentially inappropriate travel we immediately began assessing the issue. i cab confirm work is under way and will be completed as soon as possible. i'm joined by one of the politico report hoarse broke this remarkable story, dan diamond. democrats cited his reporting when they requested an investigation from the oig. fantastic reporting. you've got a new scoop. i want to sort of set it up with this. which is that the spokesperson for hhs basically said, look, here's why we started doing these charter flights, that price had a commercial flight that was canceled and he missed a very important event, wasting four hours in an airport and having the secretary cancel his event is not a good use of taxpayer money." you've got a scoop on what actually happened that time that prompted this, what happened? >> well, chris, the story we were told was that he had an important meeting somewhere around the country, they wouldn't get any more specific
with us or with "the washington post." but what i found out digging in, that meeting was in california at a ritz-carlton, one of the nicest ritzs in the country in laguna beach. it was an industry conference with several hundred ceos, investors. the kind of confab we have in d.c. or new york city too. the reason the flight didn't get off the ground wasn't because of any normal commercial airline problem, it's because of a massive storm. there were tornados that had touched down all over the region. charter jets weren't taking off, commercial jets weren't taking off. when you look a little bit closer, it's another justification that doesn't hold up. >> i just want to be clear. it's an interesting confab. first of all, talking about he's getting out of d.c. to talk to real americans. these are industry ceos. obviously this is important, it's the industry he sort of oversees. >> they're americans, yeah. >> right, yes, exactly. it's a ritz-carlton in laguna beach. it strikes me that it's a little bit of a tough sell to say, i need to take chartered jets because sometimes commercial
flights get canceled. like that presumably has been true for every other hhs secretary, and everyone else who takes commercial air. >> that's right. we talked to the staff for secretary burrwell, secretary sebelius, the last two administrators under president obama. between eight years of their time in office they were only able to identify one charter flight, when secretary sebelius was in alaska and trying to get to a rural village. and as you voted, chris, there have been at least 24 flights that price has taken since may alone. and that is the floor. at least 24. >> yeah, why do you say at least 24? does that mean that we don't actually know the full total yet? >> it means that we're in the middle of our reporting. and i don't want to step on any stories that might be coming. >> okay. one of the dazzling details here is that in june, according to your reporting here, in june, price spoke at a physician's association conference in san diego where he vowed to wring out wasteful spending in the government's health care
programs, getting value for spending is incredibly important, he said, price took a private plane to get to that meeting where he said that, which was one stop on a five-state sprint of charter travel that cost $50,000. have they responded to you about how they square this sort of message with this expenditure? >> well, the message that we have in our reporting is basically the message that we've heard from them, chris. we first brought the story to them on monday. it took them over 24 hours to decide what they wanted to say in response to us. and the statement has been pretty consistent throughout. first, that tom price needs these charter jets because of hurricane emergency travel, or other public health emergencies. i'm not sure an industry conference in san diego or in aspen, colorado, or opioids announcement in philadelphia even is a public health emergency that's urgent, requires a charter jet. the story has now evolved to at one point price missed a commercial jet and that's why he needs the charter flights. i think tonight's story gets into why that also doesn't hold
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the united states has great strength and patience. but if it is forced to defend itself or its allies tial we will have no choice but to totally destroy north korea. rocket man is on a suicide mission for himself and for his regime. >> aides warned president trump against attacking leader of nuclear armed north korea personally in the speech he gave. according to the "l.a. times" some of trump's top advisers including h.r. mcmaster argued for months against making the attacks on north korea's leader personal warning it could backfire. in fact today kim jong-un in an unprecedented move issued a personal lengthy statement against president trump saying, "his remarks have convinced me,
rather than frightening or stopping me, the path i choose is correct and is the one i have to follow to the last. i will surely and definitely tame the mentally deranged u.s. dotard with fire." north korea's foreign minister followed up saying north korea might conduct a hydrogen bomb test in the pacific. president trump then responded on twitter, "kim jong-un of north korea, who's obviously a madman who doesn't mind starving or killing his people, will be tested like never before." to discuss this unprecedented face-off i'm joined by dr. sue mi teri who worked in both the bush and obama administrations. dr. teri, first your attraction to the "l.a. times" reporting, does it surprise you he was given that advice, does it surprise you he ignored it? >> no. and i'll feel infinitely better if mr. trump will listen to his advisers. no, it does not surprise me. when i heard his speech at the united nations, my reaction was this is going to of course just escalate.
kim jong-un we know is a paranoid man, very thin skin with large ego, and we're just taunting him in an unpresidential way. of course kim reacted in his own unpresidential way. we've never season north korean leader make such a personal statement using his own name in first person. because now kim jong-un is taking this issue very personally and he will react. i don't think it's necessarily going to be a hydrogen bomb test over the pacific. but he will follow through with a provocation. >> i read one analyst on north korea who made a point i thought was interesting. basically that in the back and forth that's become this sort of personal war of words between these two leaders, that the statement from kim jong-un cuts off the possibility of a diplomatic roadmap because no one working under kim jong-un would want to be associated with that because it will appear to be disloyal to the supreme le leader. is that what you think will happen? >> right. one of the main problems in the decision-making process in north korea is no one can dare
challenge kim jong-un and everybody knows where kim jong-un is going with this. he wants to complete the nuclear program, he wanted to perfect the nuclear arsenal and have the capability to attack mainland united states with a nucle nuclear-tipped icbm, and there's not a single person who can challenge it now. kim jong-un has made it personal by making this statement and signed his name. so you are absolutely right, this is going to be a major problem. >> i want to play -- the president apparently reprized his rocket man insult just at the rally just now, take a listen. >> we can't have mad men out there shooting rockets all over the place. and by the way, rocket man should have been handled a long time ago. >> so when the president says that, i mean, i guess -- you're shaking your head, why are you
shaking your head? >> just because this is the kind of rhetoric you expect from north korea, not from the united states. and this is extremely counterproductive. how does this help, this kind of taunting kim jong-un, this north korean leadership? you can show resolve, you can show strength, without using this kind of rhetoric. >> so you think -- i mean, i guess my hope always during these back and forths as a person who would like to not see a nuclear war, is that the north koreans will brush this off as -- that they will brush off these statements in somewhat similar way the u.s. tends to brush off the sort of ridiculous braggadocio of north korean statements. but sounds like you as someone who's stupided this regime for the cia don't think they brush it off. you think they really take it personally? >> i do think kim jong-un is taking this personally. no u.s. president has quite said it like this. of course we've always said all options are on the table, and nuclear -- pursuing nuclear program will end badly fare north korea. but i don't think any previous u.s. president has used this kind of rhetoric, taunting him,
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expelling the turkish a.m. bass doctor. this summer 15 of turkey's security officers were indicted on felony charges. however, all are believed to have left the country. tuesday, however, approximated erdogan told pbs that president trump personally called him about this issue saying, according to a translator, trump said that he was sorry and he told me he was going to follow up on this issue when we come to united states within the framework of an official visit." now that would be a major development if president trump apologized for charges brought against the turkish security guards who beat peaceful american demonstrators. but the white house said it didn't happen. "it is not true. the topic was discussed but there was no apology." given that backdrop you probably would not expect the self-dubbed america first president to immediately shower turkey's strongman leader with praise, right? right? well, that's "thing 2" in 60 seconds. and made it liberating. we took safe
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security guards were indicted on felony charges for beating peaceful demonstrators in d.c. as president erdogan looked on. they remain at large. and this week the white house said president erdogan was lying when he claimed trump apologized for those felony charges. up and down what president erdogan and president trump met face-to-face yesterday? >> it's a great honor and privilege, because he's become a friend of mine. to introduce president erdogan of turkey. he's running a very -- a very difficult part of the world. he's involved very, very strongly. and frankly, he's getting very high marks. >> the strongman whose bodyguards beat down american protesters in the streets of d.c. getting very high marks for running turkey. very, very strongly. the white house readout of their meeting did not mention the beating of american citizens by erdogan's bodyguards and neither did president trump.
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luther strange which would be a normal thing to do for any president supporting his parties and favor nominee except that strange is opposed by a whose who of the president's staunchest supporters. ben carson, sarah palin are all opposing strange, a man who trump says is the very embodiment of the swap candidate trump vowed to drain. >> i have aare t lot of friends they said do you mind going for other candidates. that's fine. of course, they may not have a job on monday but these are my -- right, richard? we may have to get rid of a few of them. i already have. >> strange was appointed to the seat vacated and mitch mcconnell wants him to win next week's gop primary. mcconnell's super pack called the senate leadership fund is on pace to spend more than $9 billion to keep strange in the senate. right now luther strange is losing. a new poll finds strange
trailing rival roy moore by eight points with a few days left until tuesday's primary. even by the standards of trump era republican party, roy moore is pretty out there. a birther that advocated criminal conduct which heo bestr refusing to remove a giant ten commandments monument and then ten years later for defying the u.s. supreme court ruling. the washington post reports the prices moore says this country has paid for denying god supremacy are the high murder rate in chicago, child abuse, rape and sautmy. >> the first question is who does the president support? the president supports me. if you have not followed the
president on twitter, i urge you to do so. he just tweeted a great tweet out about his enthusiastic support for me and my campaign. >> but across town, moore supporters are pushing a very different message. congressman louie and sarah palin held a rally for moore after emerging from a bus that had previously been emblazoned with the misspelled url alabama deserves more. somebody eventually covered the typo with a home made sticker. palin suggested the swap in washington was trying to corrupt the president. >> a vote for judge moore isn't a vote jains tagainst the presi. it's a vote for the people's agenda that elected the president. the swap can't win here. this is our red line. [ cheers ] >> just you watch.
>> joining me now, msnbc contributor charlie psychsikes joined by jess mcintosh, former senior advisor to hillary clinton's 2016 presidential campaign. charlie, let me start with you today. another endorsement came through and the president was referencing it earlier in the rally. ben carson. >> ben carson. >> his own secretary comes out and endorses roy moore, you know, saying how great he would be. this is -- i find it astonishing to watch this happen because to me it looks like the gop establishment trying to put the geanie back in the bottle. it's like have you seen the president? >> well, that's what does make this so astonishing. this is is a moment piled high with irony when you think about it. the gop in recent years opened this pandora's box of political crazy and you're seeing that on
stage tonight. all of those folks and what they found out was that they had unleashed something that they could not control and donald trump himself may be about to discover that. you can light the fire. you can go into the crazy covered. you can indulge all of that and play along as long as you think it's an issue and find out it's completely out of control. >> right. and what was fascinating last night is here you've got luther strange, reluctantly being endorsed by the president. there is all sorts of behind the skeen scenes reporting and ryan moore and they are debating. it's the most bizarre debate. they are trying to convince they want the president to win. >> the problem is, president trump is being cut off in his office. he's being redirected by people like mcconnell. >> to suggest that the president of the united states, the head of the free world, a man who is changing the world is being
manipulated by mitch mcconnell is insulting to the president. it's absolutely insulting to the president. >> jess, this is the argument, though, basically the true spirit of trump is with roy moore. >> yeah, no, this is an amazing thing to watch and we have -- it's not the first time that we've seen it. every time trump does something that goes against the mega crowd, you get these stories like when he fired steve bannon. you get these stories that somehow he's being manipulated by the deep state, which is both democrats and mcconnell and establishment republicans and it's getting crazier and crazier. in the super right wing media spear right now, there are stories about how trump is being drugged and manipulated and told to do -- i mean, at a certain point, like you can't control how nuts this base is. charlie is absolutely right. i think that with every time that trump goes against them, we're going to see that get
weirder and weirder. this is particularly strange because he doesn't like luther strange. he said he was excited he would be the tallest senator ever. like this guy is not about ideological agenda for him because mitch mcconnell told him to. >> he had a eye the trump loud when he first announced i'm endorsing because he's loyal to me. there was no faint there is any subt reason to endorse the guy. people talk about trump base and trump base and personality around donald trump but this is a test of that because if it is a personality, they will listen to him and vote for luther strange but maybe the base likes the candidate that's more bigoted in any contest in a primary. >> that is what is interesting about it. is it the personality that will do what donald trump wants or will they buy this line that no, no, no, the orange god king is
being betrayed and that the real loyalty to the orange god is in fact voting for roy moore? you don't want to think about the irony here. roy moore is the reddest of the red meat. here is a guy stripped of his judicial position because he defied the rule of law. conservatives talk about we have to vote for donald trump because of the supreme court and rule of law and we love the constitution. here is a guy that's shown contempt for the rule of law and constitution, not once but twice. so yes, this is the most extreme, the rawest sort of meat out there and it will be a fascinating test about whether or not donald trump can draw a line on something that he played such a significant role unleashing in the first place. >> jess, as a veteran of the clinton campaign, quick question, do you think moore wins on tuesday? >> i think he does, yeah. i don't think donald trump has the juice to get it done. the people who voted for him were voting for a very specific set of ideological believes he
was pretending to em bbody and e second he goes away from that, he'll go for them. >> thank you both. >> yeah. >> thank you both for being with me tonight. before we go, a reminder tomorrow the phenomenal joy reid and i are hosting, 60,000 people. some form of action. we'll go to central park and see performances by stevie wonder and many, many more. you can watch it exclusively at 3:00 p.m. eastern. that is "all in" for this evening. >> thanks to you. big news today. obviously. we had thought that next week would be the moment of truth where we would find out if republicans would be able to repeal the affordable care act. brookings estimates that would result in 21 million americans being thrown off their health insurance. so we thought we would learn abou