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what we can. this fight over the knee is really about the heart. we've got no right as americans to stop silence what is in another man's heart. do we? that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "all in with chris hayes" starts right now. tonight on "all in" -- >> i wasn't preoccupied with the nfl. i was ashamed of what was taking place. >> as the president congr congratulates himself on puerto rico. >> we've had tremendous reviews. the governor says we're doing a great job. >> tonight, donald trump's division and distraction as the republican push for a repeal goes down again. and a humanitarian crisis deepens in puerto rico. >> this is -- think atlantic ocean, this is tough stuff. >> do you think the president should fire bob mueller? >> yes. >> the one question roger stone refused to answer before congress today. and is a man waving a gun at a political rally about to go to
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the u.s. senate? >> i believe in the second amendment. >> "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. polls have just at this moment closed in the state of alabama in the republican runoff to fill jeff sessions old senate seat. front-runner seen here today campaigned as a warrior none other than steve bannon and phil robertson and waving the gun around on stage to show off his love for the second amendment. we'll have more on that race in later in the show. plus, the results from alabama, which we'll be moderating. the president endorsed luther strange, big luther, tall guy, the president is fond of saying. but with his sustained attack on protesting the nfl, the president is leaning hard into precisely the same divide and
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conquer politics that have boosted moore. donald trump is at this moment programming the presidency like you'd program a right-wing talk radio show. whatever keeps the switchboard lit up and the phone calls keep coming in. his callers don't want to talk about marginal tax rates or the third version of the travel ban or the crisis in puerto rico. they certainly don't want to talk about the latest republican health care bill which collapsed earlier today. they want to talk about the american flag and those quote/unquote spoiled athletes who won't stand up for the national anthem. after taking to twitter yet again this morning in response to another demonstration last night, the president was asked if the nfl controversy, about which he's tweeted two dozen times, is distracting about more pressing concerns. >> you're so occupied with the nfl instead of dealing with puerto rico. why isn't that a fair assessment? >> well, i wasn't preoccupied with the nfl. i was ashamed of what was taking place because to me that was a very important moment. i don't think you can disrespect
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our country, our flag, our national anthem. many people have died. many, many people. many people are so horribly injured. i was at walter reed hospital recently and i saw so many great young people and their missing legs and their missing arms and they've been so badly injured and they were fighting for our country. they were fighting for our flag. they were fighting for our national anthem. and for people to disrespect that by kneeling during the playing of our national anthem, i think it's disgraceful. >> we should, of course, note that before the president was invoking fallen and wounded which is politically advantageous, he was insulting a prisoner of war, essentially calling himself a loser for getting himself captured and repeatedly attacking the parents of a soldier killed in the line of duty in iraq. now the president is attempting to reframe what started as protests that started over police brutality and racial injustice into an issue of patriotism. >> this has nothing to do with
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race. i've never said anything about race. this has nothing to do with race or anything else. this has to do with respect for our country and respect for our flag. >> you'll notice, of course, the president keeps talking about this issue because there's every indication he knows exactly what he's doing by inflaming this controversy. according to "the new york times," after his attack on colin kaepernick last friday, the president told the people it was a huge hit with his base making it clear he did not mind alienating his critics. last night the president reportedly told attendees at a dinner last night, "it's really caught on. it's really caught on. i said what many americans were thinking." and one said, "you could really tell he was satisfied." senator cory booker is a senator from new jersey. the president thinks this is good politics for him. is he right? >> well, i don't know about his politics but i know this is a time when we should have leaders
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trying to pull our country together and you mentioned some of the crises people in florida and texas still recovering, still dealing with lack of power. we're on the brink of a humanitarian crisis in puerto rico where more people live than in states like montana, new york dakota and alaska combined and on top of all that, we have issues that are real. we're in a situation right now because of the destabilization of the health care markets that he is responsible for. insurance companies in my state and others are talking about raising prices yet again because we're not doing bipartisan fixes necessary to bring stability to the marketplace. there are real issues we should be talking about. i don't care about his politics. he's been elected to be the leader of the united states overall of us and what he seems to be doing is pitching to petty, divisive politics instead of calling us to come together despite our differences which
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should be focusing on places like puerto rico and other places of humanitarian crisis due to hurricanes or talking about something that is affecting every american, which is the cost of our health care and the potential lack of access for millions. >> your colleague said this, senator john kennedy. he said, i think to some extent this is an effort by the professional left to ultimately prohibit the national anthem from being sung at football games. do you think that's a widely shared view? >> i didn't hear that comment but that makes me really, really angry. i mean, there are generations of americans who literally were fighting in our wars and then coming home to this country, women and african-americans who fought and died for our flag and country and came home and were denied basic rights of citizenship. and here are people who love their country so much but understand that protest is patriotism. nonviolent protest is important and has always been to advancing our nation.
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and for mohammad ali from the women's rights movement to the civil rights movement, this is a noble tradition in our country. to focus just on the protest and miss entirely the purpose of the protest, you have to understand, these folks are not just taking a knee because they want to disrespect the flag. they're doing this because of real issues in this country that even the former head of the fbi gave a speech talking about implicit racial bias and policing. this is something that rand paul has talked directly about. this is something that my republican colleague tim scott went to the white house to confront and address with the president of the united states. for him to have harsher words for people who are trying to be patriotic, move this country forward, have harsher words and vulgar words for them than so-called quote/unquote very fine people that were marching with white supremacists and nazis is outrageous to me.
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as soon as someone tries to tell an american in this country that i'm more patriotic than you or look down on your loyalty to this country, please understand that says much more about that person's patriotism than theirs. because their patriotism is a shallow patriotism that seeks more to divide, demean, degrade others and lift themselves up than do what a real patriot should be doing in america, finding ways to advance our country and unite this nation to greater understanding and a more courageous empathy. >> senator cory booker, appreciate your time tonight. >> thank you. for more on the president's embrace of the cultural war, let me bring in josh marshall and author of "the tears we cannot stop." to cory booker's point, i was going through copies of a book called "nixon land" from our friend rick pearlstein.
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what donald trump wants to do is run against colin kaepernick, anti-fa and undergraduates. and it's not just a think on top of the thing he's doing. >> right. >> while he's trying to get health care passed. it's the thing he's doing. >> when he talks about health care, it's hard for me to say he's even lying about the policies because i don't think he knows what is in these bills. it's irrelevant to him. but this stuff is really revere revere relevant to him and it's primal. your analogy of talk radio is right because he's zooming in on -- >> feedback? >> yes, these intense feelings. look, people see wounded soldiers. it's horrifying. people feel admiration, they feel guilt, the precarious fear and then he points at these people, the players. these people don't care.
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>> right. >> they're making fun of it. they're not respecting it. that enrages people so he is a master at taking those feelings that have all sorts of, you know, positive and negative -- and weaponizing them and turning them against his enemies. that's his politics. >> michael, i want to hear your response to this. so when i say that he wants to run against colin kaepernick and berkeley undergrads, conservatives say yes and the democrats, you idiots on the left, speaking to people on twitter or whatever, you're going to give him what he wants to fight about this. what do you make of that argument? >> well, you know, it's as if everything else with trump, it's the confusion of means and ends. on the one hand he wants to talk about the ability for freedom of speech and on the other hand when people are protesting quietly, he calls them
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disparaged. campuses where they nt wa to be protected in part from the vicious consequences of the exercise of free speech by right wing bigots who foment not only rhetorical resistance but against black or gays or lesbians or so on. on the other hand, he wants to make the entire country of safe space for his political ilk. i think the irony here is, even as he attacks the politics of confusion on college campuses where he thinks political correctness is running amok, there is no more politically correct stance than to try to beat up on ball players and others protesting their right to protest, as martin luther king said, than the president of the united states of america. this is the political correctness run amok. >> there is also the sense that -- first of all, he's
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fundraising off of it. in a literal sense -- this is from rich art painter, a former bush lawyer. "he's using our national anthem to raise cash." i remember that first week. when he said what he said about john mcinka, which was a shocking thing to say about a person, whatever your politics is, i like people who don't get captured? what kind of thing is that to say? the ability for the people who support him in this fight to square that is kind of remarkable. >> you know, i think with trump we get too hung up on the military and the -- there's enemies and there's allies. there's his people and there's them and that is the thing. i think his base, people who really support him and he gets this about them, they know who the enemies are. they know who they are and who the other people are. >> right.
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and so it's not about the particular layer teas about what you say about john mccain or -- >> yeah. it's disrespecting trump. that's all that matters. >> michael, do you think -- i wonder what you think about this in the context of the news cycle we had a few weeks ago about trump dealing with democrats. there was a mini news cycle where he make as deal with the democrats to extend the continuing resolution and then you have this piece in "the new york times" of him worried that the bipartisan deal hurts him with the base, the president deeply worried his recent show of bipartisanship on the budget and daca with two democratic leaders endangering his base. how cynical do you think this is? >> he wants his cake and wants to eat it, too. he wants to pretend he's forging these connections, reach across the aisle. he used to beat up on president obama for not even doing so. he wants to make as he's doing that but deny the substance
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thereof. he doesn't really want to do it because if there's a real consequence to sitting down with pelosi and shumer and getting a deal done, that then undercuts his legitimacy. we can never underestimate when it comes to donald trump. it's the centrality of narcissism. if i'm not the guy doing the thing, then it doesn't count. it doesn't make a difference because i didn't have a hand in doing it. if i don't see my reflection in the water, the water is horrible. it has to be poured out. looking for the new self-reflection that i can find. that's the central deal with donald trump, i think. >> and there's something else, too, which is boredom. >> yeah. >> he made that deal with the democrats. this is my favorite detail of that. he made the deal with democrats because the meeting was going too long and got bored and said i don't want to hear about this anymore. let's just do the three months. he is bored by dealing with taxes or cassidy/graham or getting diesel fuel to the
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people in puerto rico. >> right. >> it's in that "times" article that you referenced before and a lot of people have said this in the past. when things are calm -- most of us in confrontation, that's unnerving. we avoid confrontation. when things are calm, he gets restless. >> he starts to have a feeling that other people in the confrontation which is that they are anxious and need something to calm them. >> yes it's sort of like a bad guy who's killing finger gets a little itchy and they have to go after someone. that's -- that's -- i think that's what is really driving this. >> michael, do you think he is turning this issue -- i feel like he's taking an issue that in the abstract would be a 60/40 issue in his favor in terms of people's broad brush feeling about the anthem and the flag but because of the language he used and the people he's attacked in the nfl, he's managed to make it a 60/40 issue on the other side. >> you're absolutely right. in fact, he's done a favor to
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those who oppose him by making explicit that which can only be implicit and therefore was difficult to get to. in other words, it's a sophisticated argument to get to some of the more subtle new wan new wauns interpretation that those veterans who are nonetheless heroic are not the exclusive bearers of a traditional here wichl. that's more sophisticated and dynamic but this guy has gone after them with a kind of, you know, vulgarity and a kind of assault that really puts his heart right there on the sleeve and people can see the ugliness for themselves. >> josh marshall and eric dyson, thank you for being here. >> thank you. you can't spell mcconnell's without two "l"s. first, the president gives himself rave reviews over puerto rico. congressman gutierrez is here after this break.
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governor russalo just told me this morning the entire federal workforce is doing great work in puerto rico. and he further went on and said through the trump administration's leadership, the relationship between fema and my feel is very, very strong. the governor of puerto rico is so thankful for the great job that we're doing. it's out in the ocean. you can't just drive your trucks there from other states and the governor says we're doing a great job. we have had tremendous reviews from government officials. this morning, the governor made incredible statements about how well we're doing. the governor has been extremely generous and i appreciated it. the governor has been so incredible in his statements about the job we're doing. we're doing a great job. >> the president repeatedly, repeatedly congratulated himself and his administration for its handling of the crisis in puerto
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rico today. even though the situation on the ground is absolutely desperate. nearly a week after hurricane maria laid waste to the territory, the island is still mostly without power as temperatures rise and food and water run out. according to the pentagon, 44% of the population is without drinking water. and while just 11 of 69 hospitals have fuel or power. the president says he plans to get a firsthand look when he visits the island next tuesday and promises the government is sending massive water and food supplies to puerto rico. congressman gutierrez took to the floor today to question whether the federal government is doing all it can and congressman gutierrez is joining me now. is the federal government doing all it can? >> it's not. it's not. here's why. we have the capacity to our military to set up telecommunication overnight. think of hundreds and thousands
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of our soldiers in foreign countries and they communicate. we can do it. we have the sophistication. i sit on the intelligence committee. it can happen. we can send purification boats down there. we can send medical teams. look, there is no reason all those hospitals aren't up and running. chris, understand something, many of the hospitals aren't functioning at all. even if you did have fuel. and the fuel that -- there's been this fleeing from puerto rico for hike tlike the last se years. 5,000 have fleed. you're left with an older population that stays there. so i just want you to think, everybody's that has got a mom, she's 75, 80, she's old. and you know if there's electricity, if there's air conditioning, if she has her insulin, medicine, if she's comfortable, she's okay. but just think what it takes to cause a crisis in the elderly
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and then think of children who need formula, who need formula, milk, clean drinking water and then i want you to think of katrina which is what i think of. i think of the thousands of people trapped at that superdome and we watched them day in and day out and the federal government didn't do enough. let's not let them leave behind 3.5 million people and not do enough. we're not doing everything we can and notwithstanding what the president said today, the governor of puerto rico understands that this is a humanitarian crisis. we are in contact with elected officials throughout the island. they are pleading with us to send water purification. they said we cannot keep our first responders on the street because we don't have fuel to put in the vehicles and to keep our operations alive. >> all right. so i wanted to be clear and concrete here. telecommunications that you think the u.s. has the capacity to deploy there. water purification boats.
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potable water is -- i keep hearing about potable water, diesel generators to keep refrigerators going because people are running out of food as well. so diesel, water. here's another thing i want to get your opinion on. there's something called the jones act which is a piece of legislation that essentially requires boats that go between u.s. ports to be u.s. flagged. that was waived in the wake of harvey and irma so oil ships could come in. the waiving expires. do you agree with that decision? >> two things. we should waive the cost sharing. there's a cost to the state. puerto rico's bankrupt. forget about cost sharing. save lives. number two, the joans act. it means that you add an inordinate new cost to anything you receive on the island of puerto rico. let's get the ships that are closest to the materials that are needed and that are cost
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effective and get them. let's lift it and, you know something chris, it can't be for a couple of weeks. this is a reconstruction of the island of puerto rico. the ports, the infrastructure and i want to just add one thing. for those of us who understand the island of puerto rico, the light routinely go out. the water routinely doesn't come out of the faucet. just think of the damage to the infrastructure. if it didn't work before the hurricane, what is it going to take to re-establish it today? let's build the infrastructure so that those wonderful people on that island can live. i'm thankful, chris, my mom's in chicago and my dad's resting in peace. but god, anybody else that has moms and dads out there and children and brothers and sisters, it's just agonizing not getting any information and knowing how much they're suffering. >> congressman gutierrez, thank you for making the time. >> thank you. special counsel mueller is going to start interviewing white house personnel this week.
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i've been the first to say, we'll say again right here on your show, it was a dumb mistake but it was a dumber scandal. now we have this story about kushner and apparently others in the white house and i am waiting to see the outrage on the part of the republican members of congress about this. >> while we were playing hillary clinton's reaction last night to reports that jared kushner used personal e-mail for white house business, "the new york times" broke the news that at least six white house advisers used private e-mail accounts to discuss government business. that includes not just the president's son-in-law and
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adviser jared kushner but steve bannon, reince priebus, former white house chief of staff and ivanka trump, the president's senior adviser and daughter. and we were only learning about these private e-mail accounts for one reason. special counsel robert mueller who's requested documents and e-mails from the trump administration as part of his ongoing investigation into the trump's campaign possible ties to interference in the election. and more revelations could be on the way. a source telling nbc news tonight that mueller's team could begin interviewing members of the president's team as early as this week. which could explain why there are reports that yet another trump associate has lawyered up. "the daily beast" reporting that sean spicer just hired a brand-new high-powered criminal defense attorney. we'll talk about that next.
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sean spicer just lawyered up, according to "the daily beast." the former white house press secretary just hired a high-powered criminal defense attorney that specializes in congressional investigations to handle issues related to the special counsel robert mueller's probe. thus joining vice president mike pence, white house communications director hope hicks, don mcgahn, jared kushner and many others in the president's orbit who have all retained legal counsel. robert mueller is expected to start interviewing those associates this week. today, the house intelligence committee interviewed a key witness of its own in its investigation of the russia 2016
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investigation. the nearly four-hour interview with trump confidant roger stone, he said he denied any collusion with russia and denied having any direct contact with wikileaks assange. stone tweeted last week, "trust me, it will be soon the podesta's time in the barrel." weeks later, wikileaks began releasing hacked e-mails from the account of john podesta, hillary clinton's campaign chairman. stone did reaffirm that he communicated with an online persona known as guccifer 2.0, a suspected russian agent who has taken credit for hacking the dnc. he denigrated the whole russia investigation and to attack the special counsel. >> do you think the president should fire bob mueller? >> yes. >> why is that? >> because he auditioned or i should say interviewed with the job of fbi director the day after mr. comey resigned or was
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fired, pardon me, was passed over for that job. that, to me, constitutes a conflict. >> congressman eric swalwell interviewed stone today. he's joining me now. did you learn anything new today? >> good evening, chris. yes, we did. one of the central questions for mr. stone was who was he dmun indicating with? he told the public he had been in contact with julian assange and changed that story after he realized how controversial it was and then asked to reveal who the intermediary was and invoked a privilege that is not legal or his to assert and so he refused to answer any questions about, that which is interesting, chris, because he has gone after hillary clinton and the dnc for not turning over the dnc server and not being forthcoming and we really needed him to be forthcoming on that point so maybe we'll need to bring him in
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on a subpoena. >> what do you mean he invoked a privilege that is not his to assert? >> he said that he was speaking to a journalist, the intermediary, and that it was a two-way off-the-record conversation. the journalist has not invoked any journalistic privilege and roger stone was invoking it for him. >> i want to get your reaction to a few things that have happened. first of all, sean spicer has retained counsel. what do you make of the fact that so many people in the white house have retained counsel? >> that bob mueller and his team are moving at a pretty fast clip and it looks like they will be interviewing, just from the reports that we've been seeing, people in the white house with respect not just to the collusion investigation but whether the president obstructed justice with the firing of james comey. i hope, though, chris, that inspires us on the house intelligence committee to be just as determined and dogged as bob mueller is.
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>> about that, i want to read something that someone on your committee said. this really -- i've been thinking about this for a few days. this is democratic rep mike kwigly of illinois. here's what he said. "i'm there as we're questioning witnesses and some day these transcripting will be made public, he said and many will say, what the hell are they doing. they seem to be taking over the role of a second attorney for the witness testifying before us and it's conflicting and it's difficult. it's difficult enough as it is to do this job when you're running into all of these obstacles. is that your feeling as well? >> it's frustrating, chris. there is a sense that they aren't understanding or stepping up to the duty of just protecting our country from another attack. there's a lack of curiosity. i will credit, when mike connolly came on board, we've made tremendous progress. we still need them to be curious and determined and this should be a bipartisan effort to understand what happened and i'm not giving up hope that we can
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find that. the more we find out about whether there was a working relationship with the russians, the more we'll have to step up to the plate to make sure it doesn't happen again. also, we find out, chris, through roger stone's own public statements that he had a working relationship with our intelligence committee identified as a russian. he was asking this individual to retweet his posts. that individual was doing that. and later, that individual was exposed as being a product of the russian intelligence service. so that was a working relationship whether it was witting or unwitting that roger stone had. >> when you said that you might have to bring him back under subpoena, today was this sort of informal questioning. the subpoena power would be issued by the chair, subpoena power lies in the hands of the chair, of course, a republican. in this case, it would be connolly because devin nunes removed himself. do you have confidence that that is a thing that would happen? >> well, i don't understand how we could proceed and bring
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witnesses under a voluntary arrangement and then say those questions are off limits because you didn't subpoena me and then we don't subpoena them when they do that. this is a test for us. if we're serious about getting to the bottom of this, we'll have to bring him under subpoena if he doesn't produce the information otherwise we tell witnesses, you set the rules. we don't. >> congressman eric swalwell, thank you. >> no problem. an anchor around the neck of the party will win the primary in alabama tonight. but first, tonight's high-flying, very exciting, very curious in "thing 1" and "thing 2" tonight. i was playing golf days ago...
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scandal. intrepid reporting by politico's dan diamond identified more than $400,000 of taxpayer money spent by secretary price on private planes. now, price reportedly took at least 26 charter jets in just the past four months. according to former hhs staffers who spoke with politico, just one charter plane was taken in eight years by hhs secretaries who served under obama. even after politico broke the story about price's private plane problem, price continued to take charter jets. the cost of his trips this past week was $56,500, according to a federal contract. now, a spokesperson responded saying that the plane had been prebooked. on saturday, secretary price said he would stop using private planes until the internal review is completed and we'll see if the inspector general finds the flight violated fed dpreral restrictions. but at the very least, you'd
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all right. so there are new jaw-dropping details about hhs secretary tom price's use of private charter jets paid for with taxpayer dollars. price took a government-funded private jet in august to get to st. simon's island, an exclusive georgia resort, where he and his wife own land. a day and a half before he addressed a group of local doctors at a medical conference that he and his wife have long attended. price arrived on the island by charter jet friday afternoon, 40 hours before his speech on sunday while connecting commercial flight still would have gotten him there on friday. that's not the only trip on a luxury aircraft to visit a property where price owns property. on june 6th, hhs chartered a jet to fly price to nashville, tennessee, where he owns a condominium and his son resides.
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in the three hours in between those events, he reportedly had lunch with his son, which was nice of him. commercial airline tickets with government discounts would have cost between $102 and $333 per person round trip with nearly identical flight schedules. but price took a leer jet 55, a $17,760 round trip flight. over the course of 9 days...
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we've made the decision since we don't have the votes, we'll postpone that vote. am i disappointed? absolutely. >> we haven't given up on changing the american health care system. we're not going to be able to do that this week, but it still lies ahead of us and we haven't given up on that. >> senate republicans gave up on their latest effort to pass a health care bill, any health care bill, at least for now. that's after three gop senators announced their opposition to the bill known as graham/cassidy
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and expressing frustration from president trump. >> we were very disappointed by a couple of senators, republican senators, i must say. we were very disappointed that they would take the attitude that they did. we don't know why they did it. at some point, there will be a repeal and replace, but we'll see whether or not that point is now or will it be shortly thereafter. but we are disappointed in certain so-called republicans. >> this latest failure is another defeat for mitch mcconnell who is having one bad week. today, tennessee republican senator bob corker, close ally of mcconnell, announced he would not seek re-election after 2018, a decision that both increases democrat's ability to flip the seat and perhaps more probably opens the door to a trump-like replacement. we are already seeing what that latter option looks like at this very moment in alabama where anti-gay theocrat roy moore was
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leading in the poll after today's special primary election for jeff sessions' old senate seat, despite a mitch mcconnell affiliated super pac spending millions of dollars to appoint luther strange. >> if they can't beat me, then there's a crack in the dam. then the whole thing falls. mitch mcconnell needs to be replaced. >> the republican civil war playing out in alabama, including a moment that steve bannon suggested that republicans who backed luther strange view alabama citizens, and i quote him here, as a pack of morons. next.
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movantik may interact with them causing side effects. don't back down from oic. talk to your doctor about mo-van-tik. and how you can have a $0 co-pay. polls close a little less than an hour ago in the gop special primary in alabama where luther strange entered election day challenging roy moore in the race for jeff sessions. this having the backing of almost the entire republican establishment including the president and the vice president both of whom traveled to alabama in an effort to boost strange, as well as mitch mcconnell whose aligned super pac dumped millions into the race. among those other, trump's strategist steve bannon. last night he spoke at a rally in alabama on behalf of roy moore though he was most adamant when targeting moore's political
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enemies. >> mitch mcconnell and this permanent political class is the most corrupt and incompetent group of individuals in this country. they took out 30-second tv spots. you know why? because they think you're a pact of morons. all the instruments to try to destroy judge moore and his fami family, your day of reckoning is coming. >> that's two shirts, one jacket there. if moore win's today and defeats doug jones, it's fair to say he'll become the most extreme senator in u.s. history. and moore, seen here waving a gun around at last night's rally is birther that pushed for criminalizing homosexuality and twice, twice been removed as bam bap chief justice first repusing to remove a massive ten-command
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the statute from the supreme court steps and for flat out defying the u.s. supreme court ruling legalizing same-sex man rage and would open the flood gates a. potentially disastrous outcome for mcconnell whose majority could be ungloovernabl. joining me now is an expert from the state of the modern gop conservative jennifer ruben. someone well-versed on what is actually happening in alabama for u.s. attorney and university of alabama law professor joyce vance. i'm going to start with the sort of national part of this and go to the local. jennifer, to you. this is prom tis from the daily. president trump prepares the shiv. needs to go. so much happened at that strange rally. this was overlooked. i want you to listen to the way the president talked about the majority leader from his own
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parting the senate at this rally. take a listen. >> as you know, mitch is not polling-wise the most popular guy in this country, and they like to label him because he happened to be there for a number of months with, you know, in the senate. they like to label him as mitch's best friend but he's not and hardly knows him. he'll be fighting mitch. >> sorry, that was from the rick and butler show. i never heard anything like that in the time i've heard politics. >> no, this is exactly what the republicans deserve. listen, they sold their party and souls to this guy who has no loyalty to them and any ideas and principals and now discovering that oh, gosh, maybe it's not good to have a president that doesn't believe in anything and out for himself. so they have made their bed and now they are going to rest in it probably in alabama tonight. >> joyce, to that point, the sort of conventional wisdom of the race has been that moore has the upper hand, that luther strange is seen as corrupt,
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partly because he's tied to the former governor bentley, who had a bunch of scandals and appointed him. from your perspective, is that about what the race has been? >> you know, a lot of people that voted in alabama today are characterizing it as having to make a decision between two bad choices. luther strange, who probably would have had a much easier race had he not accepted a temporary appointment to the senate from a governor he was investigating, you know, really i think stumbled when he acre cement -- accepted that appointment and looked like a lap dog, just repeated trump, trump, trump, over and over without offering people of alabama anything. folks down here don't like to vote for a lap dog. moore's believes are certainly very peculiar, but he appears to hold to them steadfastly and people have reacted to what they believe is his authenticity in
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someways. >> on that point, i don't want to under sell the extremism represented by moore. i think applies, you know, explicitly in a sense to moore two times he's been removed from his perch as the chief justice of the supreme court for being lawless and thumbing his nose at the rule of law. >> and i think that's a good word. he has shown a tendency to plant the rule of law, the law as issued to us by congress and by the supreme court with his own moral and religious judgments and that's obviously dangerous territory to be in in a democracy. >> one of the dynamics in the race is not just well, you've sort of laid down with trump and now this is what happens. it's watching the republican establishment tend to stuff the
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ge gen er genie back in the bottle. that's a tough sell when the president of the united states is donald trump. >> sure is. it's hard to say we believe in the rule of law after you pardon joe arpaio of arizona who defied a court order. they are dummying down in the party and there is no bottom here and i think in this case, the rubes are not necessarily the voters from the eyes of mitch mcconnell. it's the rest of them that thought they could get away with this and put someone up there who would happily stamp the bills and is assemble the majority for them and he's proven entirely incompetent and essentially destroying the republican party as we know it. >> do you think, joyce, i wonder how much the failure once again
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of repeal and replace, i mean, i can't imagine that helps the case for luther strange because it not like luther strange can say send me back there to keep doing the work we're doing there. i got to imagine that's part of the dynamic in the race. >> you know, voters in alabama really want to drain the swamp, wherever else they are in the republican party. strange once lost a race in alabama, race for lieutenant governor because he was portrayed as a country club ten nice whites kind of guy. that legacy comes back to haunt him here with the do nothing congress and with rural hospitals closing in alabama. >> jennifer, if in fact strange were to win tonight, obviously, if vance -- if strange wins, then he goes on but if moore wins, what does that mean? >> i think it means that the seat in tennessee, which seems to be opening up with bob
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corker's decision that really stunned people not to run for reelection, that that seat becomes another battle ground -- >> absolutely. >> between the right and far, far right. it means that nevada may not have helder as the nominee but have someone more extreme. >> my first thought today is who is the roy moore of tennessee? thanks so much. that is "all in" for this evening. "the rachel maddow show" starts right now. the good news is tennessee has no shortage. >> oh. >> yeah. >> no, i don't think they do although i will say there truly is only one roy moore in american politics. >> you never know when he's going to get started. >> never know. >> thanks, chris, appreciate it, man. thanks for joining us this hour. a senior official in the trump administration just resigned. and the resignation is apparently in protest against in president. his name is chuck rosenburg. he's a life-long law enforcement veteran and former prosecutor. he was a u.s. attorney under


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