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las vegas mass shooting. and the investigation that's followed. stephen paddock's girlfriend reveals he might have had mental health issues. marilou danley told investigators paddock would sometimes lie in bed moaning and screaming. he was also taking a common anti-anxiety medication. meanwhile, more attention is turning to the victims. overnight the clark county coroner released the official list of the 58 people who were killed in the attack. they range in age from 20 to 67. we need to think about these people, talk about these people and their lives were lost senselessly. thousands turned out at a candle lit vigil last night for one of those victims. charleston hartfield who was attending with his wife. and now there's a tribute to the victims near the sign. an illinois man made them and drove almost 2,000 miles to
install them yesterday. that same man has installed crossed for other mass shooting victims at columbine, sandy hook, and the orlando nightclub. i got to take a breath on that one. excuse me. let's bring in nbc justice correspondent pete williams for the latest on the investigation. pete, we got to take a breath. you and i have spent the last week talking so much about stephen paddock and what was going through his mind and who he was. but my gosh. when you think about those 58 people who on a sunday night you can't think of something more joyful than just going to a concert, sitting in lawn chairs and a blanket with your friends and family listening to music. it is a tragedy beyond words. all right. let's go back -- >> absolutely right. whenever something like this happens, there's the natural desire to talk about the victims and not to give more attention to the people who carried this out. the reason that the sheriff has
said and the authorities have said. they have to find out why. there's never going to be a criminal case unless they find out someone was involved or that aspect of this. i think everybody is demanding to know why and for the sake of those folks and their relatives and to make sure this can be prevented in the future, finding out why is an important question. unfortunately there isn't a good question at this point. let me just answer the question you asked about what they are looking at. they're looking at several aspects of his life. and they're trying to find out what would have driven a person to do something as awful as this. and so naturally, one question is his mental health condition. and what they're told is he did have some issues. you mentioned that he was on an anxiety medication, valium which is quite common. and his girlfriend has told the authorities that she he did tected that he had some mental health issues is the word we
believe she's used. she said for example at night he sometimes would cry out in agony and say oh my god. but despite that, officials have said they haven't found anything serious enough to push somebody into becoming a mass murderer. so yes they are looking at that. they are looking at whether anybody else helped him buy the weapons, buy the ammunition. some leads to look at there, but nothing conclusive that indicates that he had any help. >> i know they've been looking so much not just at his social media profile but what he was searching for on the internet. what he looked at. what have we learned? >> well, as we i think mentioned here yesterday, he was looking at other places where large crowds gather. and doing it this summer. we know that now the sort of details of what he looked at on the internet about gatherings in chicago, the lollapalooza festival in august and went so
far as to book a hotel room overlooking it although he never went there. and also activities in boston where loud crowds gather. as far as i know and we've asked about this, those seem to be the only two cities where he was doing it, but it shows he could have been thinking about something like this months before the attack in las vegas. >> now, we are hearing that he left some sort of note in the room. what have you learned? >> yeah. well, not much about that note, frankly. and the reason that question comes up, one of the pictures that was leaked that was photographed inside the hotel room that showed up originally on the daily mail, you can see the note on the table in the corner of a picture. there's a pen and a piece of paper. what everybody has told us is that it's nothing about giving a reason. it's no kind of suicide note. the sheriff did an interview yesterday with "the new york times" -- there you go. that's the picture. upper right where that circle is is the piece of paper there.
and what the sheriff told "the new york times" is it's just a bunch of numbers. they're trying to figure out what that means. he was a man of numbers. he was an accountant and a gambler. so maybe it has something to do with him keeping track of his wagering. but that is one thing they're trying to figure out. >> there are so many questions that need to be answered. pete, thank you so much. i appreciate it. >> of course. i want to bring in former fbi profiler candace delong who has worked on many cases including the unabomber and author of "special agent: my life as a woman in the fbi." we hear he did display some mental health symptoms. you were a psychiatric nurse before joining the fbi. we found that 80% of those involved in mass shootings show some signs of mental instability. do you think we're getting closer to that sort of explanation? i mean, a lot of people take vali
valium. >> a lot of people take valium and most of them don't pick up arms. but one of the things we do know, stephanie, is the two highest groups -- largest groups of people that commit suicide ages is the over 60 group and teenagers. the last two mass shootings have been by men over 60. they had to know they were going to die. of course one was killed on the baseball field and paddock took his own life. valium long-term use, it is a sedative which means it's a depressant. if people take a lot of it and they're taking it regularly, they can need it to be normal and when they go into withdrawal when they're not taking it, it can cause a clinical depression. we -- i do think we're getting closer to finding out that he was mentally unstable.
and people we know in clinical zpre depressions can do very horrible things. >> we also know he was a high stakes gambler and a big spender. does that fit into the profile of a mass murderer? oftentimes people are so down in the dumps and depressed, but is the high and low of gambling something you can point to? >> well, what the gambling says to me is that's how he felt good. that it's kind of like someone being a compulsive shopper. every time they hear that credit card machine make that noise, it makes them feel good. they're purchasing something and there's a relief of endorphins and their anxiety goes down and it feels wonderful. and that's that with compulsive gambling, there's a similar behavioral response that goes on in the brain.
that may be why he enjoyed gambling so much. it's one of the few things that made him feel good. >> this story isn't going away any time soon. candice, thank so much. candice delong. >> you're welcome. all right. we're going to turn to the nra. the national rifle association usually comes out swinging against any attempt to revamp gun legislation. but in a rare move so that's why we're not sure if we believe it, they are now saying they would support new regulations on those bump fire stocks which enables semiautomatic rifles to fire faster like an automatic weapon. when it comes to overhauling the gun laws, are lawmakers willing to risk losing favor and money from the nra? let's look at the lawmakers who have gotten the most money from the gun organization according to open secrets.org. they all are republicans. but the top beneficiary, arizona senator john mccain. over his career, the nra has given him $7.7 million.
most of that came during his 2008 presidential run. in the 2016 cycle, he received just 300 bucks. we're going to follow that throughout the show. up next, north carolina senator richard burr who's received almost $7 million during his career. burr received almost $10,000 in the 2016 cycle. missouri senator roy blount has received about $4.5 million from the nra and almost $12,000 in the 2016 cycle. north carolina senator thom tillis received nearly $4.4 million during his career. no numbers were available for 2016. and senator cory gardner of colorado rounds out the top five with almost $4 million received from the nra. no numbers available for 2016. in the house the member getting the most, congressman french hill of arkansas with just over $1 million. the nra gave him $2,000 in 2016. for more on gun legislation efforts on capitol hill, let's
bring in kasie hunt. republicans and democrats alike are talking about a ban on bump fire stocks. is this a start of something big when it comes to gun laws? or is this just any attempt throwing something to make it look like something's happening when in the end it's not much of anything? >> i don't think a ban on bump stocks is going to turn into anything more than a ban on bump stocks. and i think they're still -- some of the backers, even the republican backers of this acknowledged still may not have a clear path through the grgs. the nra as you mentioned, yeah, they give money to politicians but a lot of their power comes from their grassroots. they have essentially mobilized a small -- relatively small but very vocal and powerful group of people these politicians hear from in the event they go the way the nra doesn't want them to. right now the national rifle association is saying, yes,
these should be regulated. there's some questions about whether the atf is able to look at this. there are members of congress saying to the atf, make these illegal. that would save everybody quite a few political headaches and be faster and more straightforward than a prolonged debate over this on the floor of the house and the senate. but there is a parallel legislative effort to put this forward. >> there's a lot of momentum here in the congress for solving this narrow issue. this is a blatant circumvention of existing law that automatic weapons are not allowed in our country and that this device converts legal semiautomatic weapons into automatic weapons. >> so that's what we're hearing broadly from a lot of republicans. many of whom say i had no idea
what a bump stock was before this happened and i am an avid sportsman is how they'll describe it. perhaps they own semiautomatic weapons. the question is going to be how long does this take to wind its way through. and does the national rifle association come out more strongly in opposition to legislation? there is a pretty key distinction there they're calling for that could shape. that is essentially taken even more strident positions on what should and shouldn't be allowed than the nra does in a lot of cases. . you know, they felt that pressure. there are a lot of dynamics here that will make this -- we'll see. it could happen but might not. >> when we talk about the power of the nra, are we missing a central issue here? it's not just the money they have. because there's lots of money to throw around. is it the power they have in certain states i'm talking geography and republican primaries. >> yeah.
and it's also democrats. the democrats up for re-election in the senate in 2018, a lot come from rural states where there's a strong gun culture. and very often, this is an issue that can help determine overall control of the congress for that reason. after newtown, democrats controlled the senate and the question was at the end of the day were all these democrats going to get on board and support background checks. it's a very difficult issue even for many of them. yes it's absolutely about geography. >> it's a difficult issue that's for damn sure. stand by, everybody. we are digging into the iran nuclear deal next. as a key deadline approaches. plus president trump offers that new cryptic message? is he trolling us? is he baiting us? what is he doing? we'll tell you what he said that left everyone on the edge. i'm still reeling on the calm before the storm. what i'm doing is searching for the calm. i haven't seen calm in i don't
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welcome back. you're watching "velshi & rhule." breaking news from the trump administration directly impacting millions of american women. the white house says it will roll back a mandate from the obama administration requiring employers to include birth control coverage in its health insurance plans if it conflicts with the employer's religious or moral beliefs. a study commissioned by the obama administration found more than 55 million women rely on this mandate which affords them free access to birth control. let's bring in peter alexander at the white house. what do we know? i also would like to mention birth control is not just a woman's issue. >> yeah, no. i think that's a fair point here. so we just got this information from the trump administration. some officials here speaking about these new rules to be issued as early as today. as you noted would roll back that requirement that was enforced under obamacare that health insurance plans provided by companies would also have to
include contraceptive coverage. this would vastly expand the exemptions not just for religious but also for moral reasons as well. the administration insists this is the president keeping his promise that no americans in effect should have to side between the federal government and their faith. the officials on the call that we just wrapped up a short time ago said basically they wanted to help americans get out from under the thumb of the federal government. they insist that 99.9% of women would not be impacted by this siting the lawsuits that have been filed on this topic. to be clear, there are likely to be more lawsuits. but there would be other organizations that could add themselves to this situation. basically try to take that exemption like catholic hospitals or other institutions. so a much larger number of individuals could be impacted by this. we just got a statement a short time ago from some of the critics by this administration.
this is from the association of obstetricians and gynecologists that just wrote the following. they wrote, the american congress of obstetricians and gynecologists is extremely disappointed that the department of health and human services has chosen to undermine the best interest of the patients we care for. the rule will negatively impact the health of women. they go on to say their families would be impacted as well by limiting access to essential preventive care. one of the questions in the course of the conversation that we just wrapped up with administration officials was, stephanie, how many unintended pregnancies might this lead to? they said that was in their words less of a concern but that it may be included in an analysis going forward. steph? >> how about ivanka trump? has she weighed in at all? given her focus on the advancement of women specifically women in business, has she made a statement? >> haven't heard from her. haven't heard from anybody on the record from the administration.
sarah huckabee sanders will be briefing at 2:30 today. that's our chance to get a little bit understanding. and i think we should anticipate a lot of lawsuits going forward. this is not a settled issue. >> i said this before. i know who clearly won this election, peter. lawyers. we got to talk, though, about the calm before the storm. the president really drummed up quite a show last night. you and your peers were packing up ready to go home and suddenly you were rushed -- where were you? the dining room? and the president made that ominous statement. the calm before the storm. i realize you don't know anything definitively what he meant. but from your white house reporting, who you've spoken to, what stuns me is what on earth would be considered calm? given the news cycle happening right now, i haven't seen calm in months. what is the president talking about? >> well, this may serve his very purpose. it interacts from those storms that have been engulfing -- >> i'm not distracted. how about you? >> i think that may have been
his intention to provide this cliff-hanger. the former reality tv star, the intention is have people focus on his thoughts and beg for what's next. is it about the nuclear deal? the president's planning to decertify that deal? is it about north korea? but this was a striking moment. it happened last night after the white house had basically given reporters and camera men the all clear saying we have no more public comments to make tonight. then they were turned around not too much longer later to say we need to have you come inside. there was a photo op where we stood there with military leaders of this country. as you see right there, he said you see this could be the calm before the storm. asked what that storm is, he said, you will see. so for the moment we wait and try to get better details. >> well, our ears, our eyes, they're open. they're ready. i'm not distracted. you're not distracted. we're ready, mr. president.
all right. thank you, peter alexander. we'll check in with you in a bit. and we have got new details on the fallout this morning after that nbc news exclusive report sparked presidential fury. new revelations of a hastily put together meeting between chief of staff john kelly and secretary of state rex tillerson at the white house on wednesday along with defense secretary james mattis. shortlytillerson did not directly dispute calling the president a, quote, moron. despite presidential tweets claiming tillerson refuted the reporting. joining mow now kara lee. one of the authors, the queen of this exclusive report. carol, talk us through the last 124 hours. the first 24 hours, they talked about him wanting to resign. and what we heard from the white house is it's despicable, fake
news. yet inside the white house, we had the opposite response. >> yes. inside the white house we've been told the president was very angry when this report came out. he thought that secretary tillerson didn't go far enough in refusing to flatly deny that he called the president a moron. instead he said he's not going to address comments like that. that was not enough for the president. and a for a number of white house officials, in their minds said he did say if there was any doubt. you had this meeting between john kelly and secretary mattis and secretary tillerson at the white house after he delivered that statement and took questions from reporters. and you know better than anyone that these are the guys who got together with tillerson and tried to convince him to stay when he was threatening to resign. so the three of them were very close. and huddled at the white house
to talk about how do you go forward from here. >> what does happen? i mean, when i talk to people outside the administration, but those who are close to the president, they have said that relationship between mattis, tillerson, i mean, these are as they call them the grownups in the room. think of corker just the other day, guys like tillerson and mattis separate us from the chaos. the chaos is the president. so what happens? >> you know, i think for right now it's unclear what the future is going to look like. if you look at the relationship between president and secretary of state, it's just, you know, people will tell us that it's irreparab irreparable, the damage done there. >> but it's never been good. >> it's never been good. exactly. and part of that reason i think is, look. you have two men who came into these roles, neither had any government experience or foreign policy experience. they're both former ceos. they're both used to calling their own shots.
you know, they just clashed. and they haven't been able to build a rapport in the same way that, you know, you typically see with a president or secretary of state. it's not just any cabinet position. this is a really important one. >> what's the timing on it? people who you speak to inside the white house, could this be rex tillerson's chance to leave when i haven't spoken to anyone who even said he enjoys being there. he says over and over i'm not from this town, i'm not used to this. early on he said i don't really do media. that was the case when he worked for exxon. but this is a whole new ball of wax. you work for the government, sir. >> exactly. you know, it's hard to see. there are different schools of thought on what should happen going forward. what you keep hearing from folks is stability, stability, stability. if rex tillerson were to exit, that it would just create this hole that they can't afford to have right now. they already have, you know, acting secretaries, directors of
other agencies like health and human services and the homeland security department. and the state department itself is not really stacked up. so were he to go, it's hard to see -- there's concern there would be more -- that would be worse than him staying. >> hasn't he been put in a rather difficult position with the state department? they've slashed the budget and said go fish trying to make it happen. even if rex tillerson gets replaced either with pompeo or haley, nobody's been dealt an easy hand. at a time when the president considers himself the secretary of state. it wasn't long ago it seemed like jared kushner filled that role. >> the budget was a real issue. the budget was one of the reasons why rex tillerson didn't make many friends including among republicans on capitol hill. you know, republicans have rejected that budget, the depths of those budget cuts and they restored a lot of them.
so whoever were to come in would have to deal with that. but whoever would come in the state department also has to deal with really low morale. they're just really high hopes when tillerson came in. and now the morale there is terrible. a lot of people feel perhaps a fresh start wouldn't be really welcome. >> man. rex tillerson was supposed to be retired this year. retired after a 40-year career at exxon. he wanted to be rocking out at the boy scout jamboree and now he's in the middle of this. thank you so, so much. appreciate you joining us this morning. stick around, everybody. right now vice president mike pence is in the u.s. virgin islands and i appreciate him being there. the latest on hurricane relief efforts as millions of americans are still without power. and the international campaign to abolish nuclear weapons won the noble peace prize this morning. that is good news. the group has fought for nuclear
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two former fbi officials say marilou danley told investigators that stephen paddock would sometimes lie in bed moaning and screaming. he was also taking an anti-anxiety medication. allegations against oscar winning hollywood producer harvey wienstein. wienstein apologized for his actions and said he's working to do better by talking to therapists and taking a leave of absence. meanwhile he denies many of the accusations. wienste wienstein's attorney called the report false and defamatory. this story is a doozy. pennsylvania republican congressman tim murphy says he will resign from congress within weeks. murphy's decision comes after a report he had an extramarital affair and asked the woman to get an abortion. the eight-term congressman has been staunchly against abortions and served on the house pro-life cause kus.
politico reports the white house chief of staff john kelly's personal cell phone was compromised as long ago as december. hackers might have accessed his data even while he was secretary of homeland security. that is scary. this raising yet another red flag and concerns over cyber security. also this morning, vice president mike pence arrived in st. croix in the u.s. virgin islands. the vice president is touring recovery efforts after hurricane maria left the area crippled more than two weeks ago. the hospital ship, the usns comfort arrived this week delivering desperate needed help. puerto rico's health system is, quote, on life support, it was said. the situation is still dire for millions of puerto ricans even after president trump's visit. joining us by phone is puerto rico's secretary of state. mr. secretary, we are hearing about the slow -- excuse me, the slow pace of supplies and medical treatment to puerto rico.
can you give us an update. >> certainly, stephanie. good morning. is the need for basics. food, water, shelter. i visit remote corners and families. who have lost everything they work. and to help our recovery efforts should be on a timely basis. we've seen in the last few days an increased support from the department of defense and fema. we need our hospitals in line with the proper support in terms of electric generators. so we do need on a faster pace generators installed on our stations. which pump water which is a
great need in our communities. so we are still needing more support in getting water, in getting meals, in getting tarps to those homes that have lost their tin roofs. and we have families sleeping under the sun, under the rain. and certainly shelter. and food and water are still a necessity. >> is the main issue the supplies? or is it the logistics about getting the supplies to the people who need it most? >> i can say they are both. in terms of generators, we need more generators to be installed in dialysis centers in health care facilities. and we have a backlog of some of these installations and we've asked the federal government to expedite the installation of these alternative power supplies. in terms of food and water to
remote communities, there was a logistic issue regarding accessibility and helicopters were needed to do drops. now we've cleared the road and aid is flowing. we still have issues regarding shelter and tarps for those who lost their roofs. and we are working together and aligning federal and state airports. so they are to fema and the department of defense. it's addressed in a timely manner. so it's been 15 days already. but this time which we covered on the private sector, the fuel has supplied the gas stations are without. and supermarkets are coming back to serve the citizenship. those mountainous areas, we need more help on a timely manner.
>> can you help us understand how this is going to get paid for? it's an estimated $90 billion is what it's going to cost to repair this. but there's been some confusion because obviously puerto rico was in a great deal of debt before the storm hit. president trump had said earlier this week the debt would be wiped out. then that was walked back or corrected by onb director mick mulvaney. can you separate out the two? where puerto rico was, the debts they faced, the infrastructure in need of repair, and the outdated electrical grid and then the money needed to repair everything since the storm? or can you not separate the two? >> our expectation is that we get proper support to recover. we could have vice president mike pence to make a response. ask president and governor. now hopefully he will be a champion for puerto rico. so equitable solutions are
brought forth. so all the programs in terms of community redevelopment, in terms of medicaid and medicare which are right now capped. u.s. citizens are recognized and at least for the next six months we get 100% paid on what are the costs to recover our infrastructure. the electric grid, our hospitals that we could get refunds from the federal government in what are other resources we need to recover our infrastructure and bring puerto rico back to its feet. >> all right. thank you so much for joining me mr. secretary. i know how busy you are. >> thank you b. all right. puerto rico's governor announced this morning that two more people from the hurricane have died bringing the total to 36 victims. msnbc's mariana atencio is on the ground in puerto rico where she has been for over a week. mariana, what is the situation
there right now where you are? >> reporter: stephanie, here in to aba a puerto rico, this ice plant is about to close. to get their hands on what are two backs of ice. here they might as well be two bags of gold. these lines are also -- they have heavy security here. they're being guarded by police. there's troops here from the national guard. that is the desperation. the second you step outside san juan where you're also likely to lose cell signal. yesterday we went to some of the mountainous regions that you were discussing with the secretary of state of puerto rico. we went to a place of 20,000 residents that have had no power and no water many tell us since hurricane irma. and yesterday we were able to see as they were treated, some of the elderly and the sick, for the very first time by groups of volunteer medics from
california, new york, and vermont. how happy are you to see these doctors from the mainland? are you happy? that's a smile. >> a lot of their medical care has been delayed because they don't have resources to administer to them or don't have the means to go down into the town and get the administration. >> reporter: so there that nurse explaining sort of those logistical problems getting the supplies to them. what you were bringing up just a couple of minutes ago, i spoke with the mayor. yesterday he got this very first satellite phone. he says he has not seen fema on the ground there, has not received any federal help. that's why you have these nurses just so shocked with this situation. it's not likely to get better especially the mountainous regions. the u.s. citizens are looking at months of no power and no water. stephanie? >> all right, mariana, thank you so much. our own mariana atencio who has
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welcome back to "velshi & rhule." turn up the volume. i like this next segment. the jobs report for september is out and it's not as good as we've seen in the past. the u.s. economy lost 33,000 b jobs in september. first decline in years. the unemployment rate dipped to 4.2% from 4.4% in august. i want to bring in steven rattner. steve, when you look at the jobs number and say, well, it wasn't perfect. there was the hurricanes you have to account for. but put all of that aside, we're
basically at full employment which we were before president trump won. when you think about some of the main reasons he won, we wanted to see him drain the swamp and because people were frustrated, infuriated about income inequality and feeling forgotten. the president and especially his sons tout the strength and power of the beautiful bull market here. but how is this bull market translating to a positive for anyone unless you own stocks? >> short answer is it's not. so let's just go back for a second to the jobs number. this month is an aberration. maybe it was lower than people thought, but it was hard with all this weather. but what is happening that has gotten less attention is month by month the rate of job growth has been slowing because we are at full employment. it's gone from 225,000 jobs to 150,000 jobs. if you don't own stocks and are an average person, your wage isn't going up very fast. there aren't particularly more jobs. the policies aren't going to
help you. and so, in fact, nothing really good has happened for you since donald trump took office. >> but you have to say when you look at the markets, they're doing very well. and the threat of regulation that businesses large and small felt under the obama administration have gone away. >> yeah. the markets -- that's right. the markets are doing well. we can have a whole discussion on how it is for the average american. that's what the market likes. businesses are going to have higher profits and regulations are going to be cut and that's good for business. but is it good for the rest of america if labor standards, environmental standards, all kinds of other regulations that actually protect people are also cut? >> no. >> no. >> then when you look at what president trump is doing, why don't you see any of this translate into e the markets? for example, political instability, geopolitics. i found it stunning that jpmorgan just added into their wording in the last board meeting what they would do if we faced a nuclear attack. but in general, why aren't
markets more concerned about that we could possibly go to war? >> that is one of the conundrums. i had a discussion like this with someone the other night. i think if you went back in history, markets have reacted more strongly when there was a threat like that. why today maybe because we've had such a long period without any real disruptive force. even when you have a terrorist attack, instability in the middle east, i think maybe people who buy stocks thinks it doesn't really affect us. business goes on. this is what you call a tail risk. it's way out there somewhere on the edge. but if it happens, it would be terrible. right now the markets are looking past it. >> some people could look at the hurricane in puerto rico as a black swan event. the president said earlier this week and i'm guessing he was confused, we're going to wipe out puerto rico's debt. mick mulvaney then walked that back. how do you interpret this? >> let me separate a couple things. there's puerto rico's previous problems and now there's the
hurricane. >> both big problems. >> huge problems. so the hurricane is going to cost close to $100 billion to fix. i think that's america's problem just as it was in houston and other places. >> how do you separate the two? >> the the $74 billion of debt they had before this all happened. in that case the holders of that debt should in effect be wiped out. they made a bad investment, it didn't work out, they should be loosists. instead they're in court and fighting away on the construction plan everybody is trying to put in place for puerto rico. >> but the americans who are concerned who don't necessarily understand the sophistication of that who say, wait a minute, why should i pay for the fact that they are bankrupt? will the united states taxpayer have to deal with that? >> that's why i'm trying to separate. there is no reason for the american taxpayer to deal with the 74 billion. that is something the bondholders should take the hit on because they made a bad investment. puerto rico is, in effect, bankrupt. the only thing stopping puerto rico is the fact it can't file
for bankruptcy because of debt. secondly, there is damage from the hurricane. i think americans should be on the hook for some of that just as we were in houston, miami, new orleans and every other place where there's been serious -- that's what we're a country for. it's like insurance. when you have a disaster, everybody should contribute. >> this one is complicated. steve ratner, thank you for coming. >> i'm trying to make it simple. several cabinet officials in the trump administration facing fresh scrutiny for using private and military planes. this story, i have to tell you, blows my mind. first, treasury secretary steven mnuchin. the department's inspector general said it was legal for mnuchin to spend more than 800,000 bucks for flights on military jets, but the i.g. adds, they were poorly justified by the administration. i'm going to point out, flying to miami private? do you know how many flights to
miami there are a day? i'm going to guesstimate a zillion. this report comes out after former health and human services secretary tom price resigned. he spent 400 grand on private jets and 500 grand on military planes. they're just the latest officials under fire for high-priced travel. let's now bring in the reporter who broke that story about tom price's travel. rushna, i have to ask. tom price said last week before he left that he was going to pay for his share of the flights. first of all, i don't think there is a share of the flights when the whole thing was chartered for you, but even if you're going to split hairs and say he was going to pay 50 grand, not 800, are we still going to get the 50 grand now that he's out? >> reporter: we were told yesterday by ags that the former secretary did pay that $50,000 amount before he resigned.
we have not seen documentation yet showing reimbursement or any sort of hard evidence that that happened, but they said it did. i do expect that i think we will get some evidence of that shortly because we had members of congress who made that formal request in writing to ags to say, please provide a copy of the invoice or check or other reimbursement document showing that he did this. >> now, can you help us understand the difference between -- steve mnuchin spent almost 800 grand on travel expenses. what makes his circumstances different from tom price? if they're the same situation, how does mnuchin keep his job? >> secretary mnuchin, from what we saw from the secretary general is what he's being scrutinized for. the difference between special agent tom price is he did take aircraft overseas, which in and of itself, that's not
necessarily unusual for cabinet secretaries to take jets overseas depending on what the trip is. but tom price used private aircraft booked with private companies for domestic travel. and that's a very big difference from his predecessor, certainly, and we haven't yet seen other cabinet officials in the trump administration are using private planes. not military aircraft, but private planes to the extent the former health secretary was. >> i want to stay on this. the tone was set at the top and i want to talk about the culture within the white house. now it's a number of other white house personnel who are under fire for their travel activity and expenses. we can run through it. interior secretary ryan zinke, va secretary david shulkin, energy secretary rick perry, kellyanne conway. the list goes on and on. should these people have known better? i think about the criticism of
that $16 muffin during the last administration. should they have known better, or is this washington? >> i think that it depends on which cabinet secretary you're referring to, honestly. we could say broadly, yes, there are federal travel regulations that clearly state when officials of all levels should or should not be using non-commercial aircraft. the thing that's particularly surprising about former secretary tom price, and i would say the same might be true for secretary zinke. these two individuals were former members of congress, and they definitely -- unless there's something i don't know about, they weren't taking private aircraft when they used to go home to their districts every weekend. they would be taking commercial air. >> the president campaigned hard against having no lobbying efforts, advising him to be beholden to no one and ryan zinke spent 12 grand chartering a private plane that belonged to an oil executive. i'm guessing an oil executive
has got some things they would like the secretary of the interior to do to hook them up. >> i'm sure that is true. of course, senior officials here, not just in congress but also in the administration, are also always trying to get influence in terms of the policy decisions they make. >> complicated, complicated. welcome to washington. rashana, thank you so much. truly great reporting. >> thanks for having me. stay with me. you're watching velshi & ruhle. we're not done. so that's the idea. what do you think?
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