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so many outlets to buy almost like praying. that is "all in" for this evening. rachel maddow show start the right now with the winner of not one but two tv news emmies last night. congratulations. wel well-deserved. >> now you're screwing me up, chris. >> honestly, really well-deserved. it made me happy. >> thank you. i was in very, very, very, very good company in terms of the nominees this year so thank you, chris. i >> go get them. >> thanks to you at home for joining us this hour. that was very nice of chris. happy friday. today the labor department released news that the number of jobs in the united states actually dropped last month. at the end of last month, there were 33,000 fewer jobs in the country than there had been when the month started. that is a very unusual thing and
in terms of why this happened, the terrible hurricane virgin islan islands. this month has been like opening a hell month with the huge deadry record-setting storms. one after the other. i have to tell you, we've got an exclusive update, exclusive footage about what is going wrong right now with the federal response in puerto rik kco even today. frankly mind bending what isn't being done in puerto rico. even as the american crisis in puerto rico wears on, i have to tell you another hurricane is
coming. it's called tropical storm nate right now. the national hurricane center says tonight it will be at or near hurricane forced winds as it passes through mexico tonight and then there is that dreaded phrase from the national hurricane center continued strengthening is expected. quote conditions are favorable for continued strengthening of the storm up to landfall on the northern gulf coast where nate is expected to make landfall there as a hurricane. again, tropical storm now expected to hit the gulf coast as a hurricane. mississippi and louisiana have declared states of emergency. louisiana has ordered the evacuation already of some islands and some coastal areas and the national hurricane center is warning that from morgan city, louisiana all the way east to the alabama, florida border this hurricane could raise sea levels by up to eight
feet. they are urging people that live in those areas to pay attention to evacuation orders and rush to completion. the basics here are with this storm, it's tropical storm nate due to be hurricane nate soon. landfall in the gulf coast is likely to be late tomorrow night, late saturday night or early sunday morning. looks like it may hit as a category one her canurricane. large storm. as terms of population, look at mississippi, alabama, new orleans and on pensacola, florida. i know it seems we're talking about yet another hurricane about to make landfall in the united states but it that year. here we go. we'll have more on that story ahead including the exclusive footage prom ofrom outside san there is a lot going on in terms of national security news. there is a disturbing story
about the green boeret. there is little clarity how four u.s. army special operators ended up getting killed in the western african nation of niger. their deaths occurred on wednesday. it appears to have been a desert ambush in niger quite near the border with mali. there were initial reports that three u.s. army green berets were killed. the pentagon announced the recovery of the body of a fourth american soldier whose life was lost in the same incident. we have names and ranked for the first three green berets to have been lost. there is a fourth. losing four american green berets in a single incident is a very big deal. anywhere in the world at any time it's a very big loss but in this case, the seriousness of that loss is compounded by the public disconnect from the mission that cost these soldiers
their lives. almost no one was aware that the united states had a military force of any significant size operating and at risk in the country of niger. but now we know in the worst possible circumstances, it remains to be seen if that mission or deployment levels there will change now because of this news but again, very little clarity on that situation that remains an evolving story. meanwhile in the trump administration, military resources continue to make news for other reasons as "the new york times" reports today that treasury secretary and top trump fundraiser steve mnuchin charged taxpayers more than $800,000 for him to fly on military aircraft since he was sworn in as secretary of the treasury. he's the treasury but still, taxpayers paid $800,000 for him
to travel multiple times, many multiples of times on military jets which have apparently become his preference. shortly after secretary mnuchin with drew his request to pay for a jet to take him on his european honeymoon with his new bride, shortly after that you will recall that mr. mnuchin did famously take his bride on a military jet on the day of the eclipse to fort knox, kentucky. secretary mnuchin said he needed to inspect the gold at fort knox. okay. well, now, thanks to a new report from the treasury inspector general, we know what it cost the taxpayers for steve mnuchin to take that trip specifically on a military jet. taxpayers paid $27,000 just for his flight that day. and now we know why steve mnuchin couldn't fly commercial that day to go inspect the gold. why he needed taxpayers to fork
out $27,000 for him and his bride to make the trip on a military jet. according to the travel request we can see in the inspector general report, steve mnuchin demanded he have a military jet for that trip quote in the event that the secretary's participation on a call during travel arises. so he asked for a military jet because at some point during that trip, there was the possibility he might want to make a phone call. or maybe somebody would want to call him. he's very important. it could happen. people call him. so that was in august. in june we now know that secretary mnuchin used a military jet to fly himself from washington d.c. to miami. a taxpayers paid $43,000 for his plane ride that day because again, he demanded that taxpayers pay to fly him on a
military jet. now we now know from this inspector general report that one secretary mnuchin made that demand for the $43,000 military flight to miami, the treasury's travel office specially wrote to his assistance to tell him, you know, a commercial ticket for this flight is $688. right? right. but why have taxpayers spend only $688 on you when taxpayers can spend $43,000 on you instead? $688 was round trip, by the way. steve mnuchin's chief qualifications for becoming treasury secretary is he was the trump campaign's fundraising director with his inspector general report we know he's basically continued to raise large sums of money for the trump administration it's just now that he's raising the hundred for himself and raising it from the taxpayers and taxpayers have to eat it.
because that's what this administration is like now. there is also news today the campaign legal center filed a complaint with the justice department over trump's interior secretary and the taxpayer funded private jet travel he took to the virgin islands this spring. no, not related to the hurricanes, way before the hurricanes hit. the private jet trip that taxpayers paid for was for a trip to the virgin islands that included a snorkeling tour for him and his attendance at a republican party fundraiser where people appear to be invited to make republican party campaign donations in exchange for the honor of taking a picture with the secretary of the interior. if that is true about that fundraiser, that would be illegal. so the campaign legal center asked the justice department to look at that. separate and apart from the bit about him flying to and from that fundraiser and the snorkeling tour on multiple private jets paid for by the
taxpayers. and that does happen to be exactly the same scandal that caused the resignation of the health secretary tom price last week but maybe this week, people don't resign over that anymore. so there is a lot going on tonight. but i want to show you something from exactly one year ago. hurricane season obviously is an annual thing and just as we're waiting on hurricane nate to bear down on the gulf coast this weekend, one year ago exactly, we were waiting on hurricane matthew to bear down on the east coast of florida. >> breaking news, hurricane matthew slamming florida's east coast now as a major category three. the strongest storm to hit that state in a decade. wind gusts up to 115 miles per hour. power knocked out to hundreds of thousands. a sandy-like storm surge
expected. airports, schools, theme parks all shut down and the worst is still to come today, friday, october 7th, 2016. >> from nbc news, this is a special edition of "today." hurricane matthew with matt lauer and savannah guthrie live from studio 1 a in rockefeller plaza. >> that was a year ago tomorrow morning. year ago tomorrow, october 7th. savannah guthrie and matt lauer focused full force on hurricane matthew, right? matt lauer starting the broadcast off with the worst is still to come. you know, hurricane matthew did cause some incredible damage, nearly 50 deaths across the united states after it caused hundreds of deaths in haiti. but as hurricane matthew hit the east coast of florida and it rolled up the southeastern united states, october 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, caused incredible flooding and again, about four
dozen deaths. but that day it first came ashore in florida on october 7th, just a year ago tomorrow, that day was one of the most insane and consequence news days of the last decade in the united states. at the time, we didn't recognize that half -- we didn't recognize a tenth of it but now one year on the insanity of that specific day, the importance of what broke that day all in a matter of hours is so shocking in retrospect that the great investigative reporter and his team at yahoo news, they have just today produced a new documentary, it's a news documentary about that one day in the news one year ago. it's great. you should totally watch it. it's about half an hour. it's totally worth seeing in it's total. we put a link to watch it in
total. i'm not going to play the whole thing tonight but look, this is how it starts. >> friday, october 7th, 2016, i'll never forget it. >> we're tracking a major category four hurricane matthew churning towards florida as we speak. >> look, i can't send in first responders to save you in the middle of a storm. you got to act responsibly and take care of yourself and family. >> time is running out. evacuate, evacuate, evacuate. ♪ ♪ >> hurricane matthew, which was one of my front burner items that day within the space of about two hours, briefed barack obama, hillary clinton and donald trump on hurricane matthew. >> i do remember secretary johnson reaching out and providing a briefing. >> hurricane matthew is happening so monitoring that.
as i recall, it required us to change travel to florida. important state. >> and i'll never forget, i got off the phone with both candidates for president and i thought to myself, they have no idea of the bombshell we're about to drop on both of them with this statement that the going to be issued about russia, probably two hours later. >> at 3:00 p.m. in an unprecedented statement the white house warns that russia is interfering with the 2016 u.s. election. so it's all the same day, in the same day in the morning we wake up to the news of the largest hurricane in a decade coming ashore in florida. then at 3:00 p.m. precisely that same day, homeland security department and director of national intelligence make the first statement by the u.s. government, first in this election, first in any election ever, first time the u.s. government ever had to say something like this, they put out this formal statement that a
foreign government is interfering in our presidential election. that happens at 3:00 p.m. that day. huge deal. >> in the afternoon we got the statement from clapper and jay johnson and very surprised to see a statement that was both definitive and yet had a very broad conclusion, which was not just that russia had hacked the e-mails but that they were directing the leaks, as well. that is something that we have just never, just never seen before. >> we felt very strongly that knowing what we knew that it was imperative to share that publicly and with the electret. if the election did go south for one reason or another and then afterwards, it was learned we knew about what the russia were doing and sat silent, there would be hell to pay.
>> they didn't sit silent. they made this remarkable announcement, right? this is going to be a game-changer in terms of what the american people understood what was going on in this election. this is a month out from the election, right? the government announces that russia is messing with our election. that news came out at 3:00 p.m. that day. absolute game changer. that news survived for one hour and two minutes that day. because then it was gone. >> we didn't know it was coming. we didn't know it existed. we got it about 11:00 a.m. >> i moved on her and i failed. i admit it. >> breaking news. breaking news. >> i moved on her like a [ bleep ]. then all of a sudden she's got the big phony [ bleep ] and everything. she's totally changed her look. >> totally stunning to hear the republican nominee talk this
prudely about women. >> whoa. >> yes, the donald. she's hot as [ bleep ]. >> you're a [ bleep ]. >> crude and vulgar. very disturbing. >> i got to use some tic-tacs in case i start kissing her. and when you're a star, they let you do it. you can do anything. grab them by the [ bleep ]. >> indefensible. >> growing calls for trump to step down. >> i'm sure we haven't heard the last of it. >> hello. how were you? hi. good to see you. terrific. terrif terrific. you know billy bush. >> nice to see you. >> only about a five-minute video and this part on the bus. you see a bus driving through a back lot in hollywood. pretty boring but then after a few seconds you start hearing this dialogue between trump and billy bush and, you know, the first two minutes you knew that you were seeing something really different. called my desk made over to look
at it, too and puts the headphones in and i can see her watching it. this reporter next to me is hardened and covered russia and serious and she's seen a lot in her life and she made this noise of like outrage and shock and just like a ahhh. >> i'm automatically attracted to bueautiful -- i just start kissing them. just kiss. when you're a star. they let you do it. you can do anything. >> whatever you want. >> in those words, in your star they let you do it. a weird sense of wonder like he's not bs-ing for his friend. he is reflecting he can't believe the world lets him get away with it. once it got out, the post has an internal system we use to track web views, so much traffic it broke. it was not expecting that. by an hour in, you could tell it would be something different. >> someone said hey, the post just broke the story about a tape of trump saying some really
offensive things about women on an "access hollywood" tape. my first response was the irritation at the person that brought this to my attention because it's like no, i just wanted to focus everyone's focus, i couldn't get the focus of our own staff to stay on russia. i wasn't going to do a very effective job so i was irritated and i was like don't worry about that. whatever it is, sounds like it will get attention. we got to keep our focus here and then the more they told me about the tape, the more i realized that was not going to be possible. >> all of a sudden, something came on the tvs and all eyes turned to the monitoring listening to the sound and if you remember correctly, it was being played over and over again so you didn't hear it just once and people are all spread out in this room and there is silence for a long time.
people trying to absorb that this is actually real. i remember hillary clinton was seated behind me and i saw her face at one point just an absolute disbelief that we were listening to this coming from a man who is a presidential candidate, nominee of a major party. this would have to reshape the conversation of the remainder of the campaign. >> kind of changed everything, right? that morning we woke up to the biggest hurricane in a decade hitting the east coast of florida. 3:00 p.m. sharp the u.s. government announces russia is working to mess with our presidential election. 1:02 later, 4:02 p.m., washington post breaks the news of the access hollywood tape and everyone is thinking oh, god, this is it. now we know what the rest of the campaign will be about at least. this is the conclusion, basically. this is the last news of import that will ever break about this
campaign. that lasted 30 minutes. another colleague of mine who is a research director said it looks like some of john's e-mail haves been leaked, to. >> any day hillary clinton and the word e-mails are in a story was going to be a bad day for us. we know as voters were making no distinction between the wikileaks e-mails and the political e-mails and john podesta's e-mails. >> at first i had to laugh because it's so -- it was so absurd and it -- and not -- and obviously not an accident. and to this day, i wonder what
the leak of john's e-mails were meant to cover up or distract from, the "access hollywood" tape or russia. >> this was all one day. 3:00 p.m. russia is attacking. the nominee grabbing about sexual assaulting women. 4:30 p.m. the e-mails that were hacked by russia from the chairman of the clinton campaign start to be distributed by wiki le leaks one day. wait, there is more. stay with us. each year sarah cs 58,007 steps. that's the height of mount everest. because each day she chooses to take the stairs. at work, at home... even on the escalator. that can be hard on her lower body, so now she does it with dr. scholl's orthotics. clinically proven to relieve and prevent foot, knee or lower back pain, by reducing the shock and stress that travel up her body with every step she takes.
i think it hit me the next morning when the pickup the post and times. the united states government accusing the russian government of interfering through cyber hacking activity. that's a big deal, and i expected it to be above the fold and literally below the fold news in both newspapers. and i expected it to be something that would have a lot of currency over the following days and that would be a continuing conversation with more questions from the press. how do we know this? is the extent of it? the press had gone off the end of the greed and sex and groping. >> many people forgot about it. why didn't you say something? it got emasculated. >> today we are one year out
from one of the most astounding collisions in the history of american politics. all in one day. the release of the "access hollywo hollywood" tapes when donald trump admitted to using tv star privilege to grope women against their will and half an hour later the clinton's campaign e-mails that were hacked and stolen by russia and on the same day with the national security world thought would be the biggest story of the day and election was crushed by the government warning russia wasn't just behind the hacking, russia was actively trying to interfere in the u.s. election. russia was trying to pick the next american president and maybe we humans can only hold so much in the half brains right but the people that tended to sound the alarm on the russia thing say now they were shocked that nobody was able to hear
them that day. that's what they told michael and his team at yahoo news. they just posted called 64 hours in october, how one weekend blew up the rules of american politics and i encourage you to watch it. it great. we posted a link. imagine having been in the middle of that day. imagine having been in the middle of it. what would you have done not just to understand what was rolling out one thing after another on that day but what would you have done to handle it properly as those things came out in that tight sequential order? joining us now is jennifer, communications director for the clinton campaign and gun claplin, thank you for being here. >> i never put two people on at once. i hope you don't mind you're both here. >> it will be the more difficult to make you fight. >> drinking after.
[ laughter ] >> let me start with you. in the moment when the -- we got the "access hollywood" tape in the documentary, you articulate how frustrated you were that this was going to overshadow the russia interference report which had come from homeland security but then immediately, your campaign chairman john podesta's e-mails start circulating from wikileaks. did you experience this as remarkable coincidence. did you think at the time these might be coordinated? >> i thought they may be coordinated. time was too close. there had been sprinklesing of e-mails prior to that that related to john so you thought they may have had john's e-mails. it was clear this is it. this is the day they are going. so i still wonder if it was -- if they were there to distract from access hollywood or if they were there to distract from russia. i mean, it could have been russia could have timed it to -- because they were concerned
about the jay johnson and clapper statement and wanted to distract from that but in the moment, i did have to -- because the way it was -- our research director told me, he said john's e-mails had been hacked. they are online and seems the tweets, i was like okay. i just got up. took a walk in the perimeter of the hotel and came back down. >> then what was -- what did you decide you could do? >> we decided that's like okay, take -- use that as another moment to draw attention back to russia so that's why we had john say i'm not hacked by the russians and people would talk to us, that would be our response. the united states government determined this is the russian government. that's what you were helping them do. >> your role on the campaign you were able to see in terms of the hacking and intrusions.
what was your view that day? did you experience this in the same way that jen did? did you have suspicions this might be coordinated? >> sure. you also remember there were lots of e-mails coming out over time. >> hacked e-mails. >> hacked e-mails. so the day before john podesta's e-mails came out, somebody else's e-mails came out. marshall. so we were still that morning dealing with the e-mails from the day before and understanding what was in those and getting our head around those when the u.s. government announcement came out at 3:00 and so we gathered to -- when the u.s. government announcement came out, we thought this was the big deal we needed to get the media to finally focus on this russia starry. we were hoping they would. >> was it news in terms of the statement from the government that the russians were -- it was two parts of the statement that they were directing the hacking and the hacking of the documents
from your campaign from the democratic and trying to influence the election. were either of those news to you? >> no. wikileaks was part of the effort, also not a surprise. we were surprised they went that far. >> we were surprised they had the confidence to put them on paper. >> it went further than we hoped and thought an announcement would go. and we thought it was a big deal. we were as surprised as jay john s -- johnson says it's below the fold and getting gail a lot of attention. when the podesta e-mails came out 30 minutes after ""access hollywood"" that was not processed as separate incidents. >> you thought this was a piece -- >> absolutely. >> will you sit right there? >> yes. >> we'll be right back. stay with us. remember nashville? both: kimchi bbq! amazing honky-tonk! i can't believe you got us tickets!
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""access hollywood" tape. my producer said you saw this washington post story. have you listened to the tape? i said i haven't had time. such a big news day -- >> focus on russia. >> i listen to the tape and didn't know what to think. >> i know. >> i didn't know what to do. how did you process it? >> i had the exact same experience and then when you actually hear the tape, it's just -- what -- when you watch it, what is so -- what churns your stomach you hear what he says and it's awful and you see him walk out and greet that woman and think she has no idea what just happened. they call it billy bush weekend, that's what steve bannon calls it. it was nancy o'dell weekend. she was humiliated on the bus and has no idea. that is what really -- >> you had the same -- on the campaign and in your roles, you had the same response to it just as a human being. >> and the same response as the communications director for the campaign, my heart sank because i was concerned. this meant trump would be really
unhinged and real -- >> for the debate going to happen this weekend, sunday. >> for the debate sunday. this is friday afternoon and he had been threatening to come after hillary, calling her an enabler and i thought wow, he is really going to go after her. i traded that for her and i knew america, that is not what they want to watch and want a presidential campaign to be about. >> glen, a year on from this, obviously you were part of this unsuccessful effort to recenter on that report on the russia. do you feel looking back on it now a year out that you have any more clarity how that attention could have been shifted? how more insistence could have been put on the point? else could have been done? >> sure, i think looking back one year ago my biggest concerns of the trump administration is not taking this seriously and --
>> why would they? >> sure, and instead of getting to the bottom of it, you know, there is a fake fraud commission and commission and if we don't get to the bottom of this and hold russians accountable, there is incentive for them to be back in '18. >> except for the russians. >> yeah, they will be. james clapper said it and comey and others. they will be back in '18. it will be part of the election going forward. we were patient zero of this but we're not going to be the last. it's going to be part of the campaign and it shouldn't matter if you're a democrat, republican, you voted for hillary and donald trump. as an american with a foreign power interferes in our election and process, that's something we need to really get to the bottom of and fight and we haven't seen that from this administration and worries me. >> if there were american confederates involved in the attack. >> sure, lots of questions about the cia -- >> made pretty savvy political choices when to leak what.
>> absolutely. >> it's sustained jggesting the help. >> suggesting the trump campaign and russian swinterferers were >> you needed a lot of education about things like florida house races to make decisions they did. >> john, glen, both who served on the clinton campaign and lived through that remarkable day a year ago tomorrow, thanks for being here. >> thank you. >> thank you for talking to us. lots to come tonight, stay with us. for your heart... your joints...
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a new scoop based on e-mails turned over to investigators by the trump campaign. the post got word in the e-mails, during the campaign, the trump campaign chairman paul manafort appeared to have offered a putin allied russian that he could get private bre h briefings on the campaign from trump's campaign manager, from manafort. when the post reported that a couple weeks ago, manafort spokesman dismissed the e-mails offering private briefings, dismissed them as paul manafort trying to collect on old debts. paul manafort trying to get money he was owed by this russia guy. that was the excuse, right? that would be pretty amazing in itself that you would have the president's campaign chairman trying to use his position on the campaign to collect money from his old lobbying clients in
the former so eerunion. that is what they wanted us to believe. that, which is their spin doesn't make sense. if paul manafort was owed money by foreign creditors, they should be offering him stuff. why would he be offering to give them special favors? that's not how collecting debt works. the opposite of collecting debt. this week, reporter julia and franklin fort at the atlantic magazine lended the big followup scoop we have been waiting for since that puzzling story first came out. they got their hands on not just the excerpts but those e-mails from paul manafort during the campaign that show him offering private briefings but appear to show him as the headline says using trump to curry favor with a putin ally. e-mails turned over detail the efforts to please an oligarch
tied to the kremlin. i assume you showed my friends the media coverage, right. a guy widely known to have ties to military. the colleague replied, absolutely, every article. then manafort says how do we use to get whole? has ovd operations seen? according to a source close to manafort, it refers to a russian oligarch. it did not specify how he hoped to get whole with respect but they repeatedly refer to the matter at the heart of a dispute in which he brought a legal action against paul manafort claiming manafort owed him millions of dollars. there is one of these e-mails that the atlantic that jumps off the page. a week after trump acre cemented
t -- acre secepted the nominatio this guy who has ties to russia military intelligence and e-mails to paul manafort is this. quote, i met today with a guy that gave you your biggest black caviar jar. [ laughter ] >> we spent about five hours talking about his story and i have several important messages to you. he asked me to go and brief you on our conversation. i have to run it by you first but in principle i'm prepared to do it provided he buys me a ticket. it has to do about the future of his country and quite interesting. the future of his country. if this is about his country, it's russia. it has to do with the future of his country. just a few days later, the beginning of august, 2016, last year, paul manafort in fact met with his former colleague from ukraine, the guy with the russian intelligence connections. somehow he did get a plane
ticket and that dude flew to new york to discuss whatever he wanted paul manafort the chairman of the trump campaign who as far as we know owed him a bunch of money. they were talking about whatever he wanted to brief manafort on on the future of russia. the questions remain here, why is the trump campaign chairman in communication with a putin ally russian oligart during the campaign to get whole given the new position on the campaign? did he want? was manafort prepared to offer him to make good on the alleged debt and did he buy a guy from russian intelligence a plane ticket to meet with paul manafort in new york after donald trump got the presidential nomination? once you're asking questions like that, that of course, puts manafort at the center of fundamental questions in the russia investigation.
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favor with a russian billionaire close to vladimir putin during the presidential campaign. mr. ford, it is nice to have you with us tonight. >> total pleasure. thank you. >> you describe -- you sort of boil this down in your piece to the -- to this remarkable thing that we are starting to get a sense of from these e-mails where manafort seemed primarily concerned with oleg's approval for his work with trump and confirmation that he is paying attention to the work for trump. >> right. >> do we have any sense of why paul manafort thought the work for trump would be a source of pleasure to this guy of whom he owed the money. >> first 0 of all, there's an incredible sense of desperation you get in these e-mails. it is not just that he's making one offer. this is something he's following assiduously and asking his primary deputy in kiev for the ten yores that manafort worked
in kiev, asking him, have you forwarded this information? how can we use it to whole with him? if we step back, we see that manafort worked for him over an extended period of time and it was a relationship that involved both political strategy that manafort was offering to oleg but they also had this business relationship where manafort was running an investment fund where der pos ka invested less than $20 million and paid manafort millions in dollars in management fees and that investment went terribly awry. an we know this based on court papers that derapaska saying i want to know what happened to my money and asking paul manafort what happened to my money and manafort at a certain point goes awol. and deraposka alleges he can't
find paul manafort. suddenly manafort shows up as chairman of the campaign, the trump campaign, and he's telling his assistant, go talk to him. go find ways that we can use this campaign to get whole with him. >> and when -- that phrase exactly has been sort of has contested meaning either that it's been interpreted meaning that manafort was going to find a way to get paid by man that owed him or relevelled of the debt that he owed to this scary 0ligarch. i'm -- it seems to me like this reporting would seem to indicate more of the latter, that manafort owed money. >> right. no. sorry. manafort owes money to deraposka. >> yeah. >> exactly. the e-mails are cryptic, incredibly elliptical. one side of a conversation and seeing a conversation of
manafort and his deputy. we are not -- we have no idea what's happening between the deputy and deraposka. he's denied having any contact with manafort or people associated with him and denied having anything to do with the campaign in vehement terms but despite the elliptical quality and cheap spy novel quality to the code names they use where deraposka is referred to as black caviar, it's just -- you know, i think if you look at the context it seems like it's -- it's a pretty fair conclusion to draw. >> franklin foer, thank you for advancing this puzzling story and helping us understand it. >> thank you. >> stay with us.
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her's footage we have exclusively tonight out of puerto rico and what's remarkable you will see about this footage is that it looks pretty great. this is the road into a town which is about an hour and a half outside of san juan the capital city an you may have heard reports of towns where the aid, the recovery effort isn't getting through because the roads are blocked by debris from the storm. as you can tell, that's not the case here. right? looks pretty great in aibonito. our producers drive right in. no problems. the roads really are clear. good news, right? that shouldn't be only good news but determinetive of whether or not the people of aibonito get
help after the hurricane from two weeks on from when the storm hit. the excuse for slow and absent response is that towns are inaccessible. right? fema would love to get there and they can't get there. they would if only the roads were clear. for aibonito that should be good news. if the crew gets there, that should be true for fema for anybody delivering food or water or fuel. after the team arrived, townspeople asked producers, are you fema? they say they've been waiting for two weeks. that was on wednesday of this week. we spoke to fema today. they say they have been there three times. they didn't distribute any water or food but they did help residents fill out paper work for federal aid. fema official we spoke to volunteered to us that the roads are pretty bad in the region and if the roads are dangerous, they won't send a fema team. we do no from the producers that the roads are just fine. recovery effort in puerto rico