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anybody delivering food or water or fuel. after the team arrived, townspeople asked producers, are you fema? they say they've been waiting for two weeks. that was on wednesday of this week. we spoke to fema today. they say they have been there three times. they didn't distribute any water or food but they did help residents fill out paper work for federal aid. fema official we spoke to volunteered to us that the roads are pretty bad in the region and if the roads are dangerous, they won't send a fema team. we do no from the producers that the roads are just fine. recovery effort in puerto rico is a disaster. there are excuses why it is still a disaster. at least in this instance do not hold up under scrutiny. that does it for us tonight. thank you for being with us. we'll see you again monday. now it's time for "the last word" where ari is in for lawrence. >> i need to speak to you for a minute. >> okay. >> since i know you a little bit, i know you might not like it.
but i want to wish you congratulations -- >> oh. >> for two emmy awards last night. >> thank you. >> i know you're not big about victory laps on awards. >> yeah. >> but i'll add, you know, i went to school in michigan. and i think the award on flint coverage, the reporting you did from here and from the ground meant a lot to a lot of people there. congratulations on this. >> thank you for saying it. it drives me crazy to have the conversation with you but for flint, especially, for that award is -- you know, if it gets a little more attention back to flint even now. it's all we can do. >> absolutely. congratulations v. a good weekend, rachel. donald trump has been ad libbing a warning that we are in the calm before the storm and may not mean anything and comes as trump is in open war with his own secretary of state which means it may mean something. in fact, just last friday you may recall when trump ousted the health care chief, rex tillerson did make it through this friday evening and wasn't certain as axios reports. he was seething returning from the las vegas trip and then,
quote, saw tillerson's gaffe-covered cable news coverage. the relationship so toxic, few in the white house think it can be rebuilt. trump is considering firing tillerson to give mike pompeo the job. but apparently, quote, trump recognizes cabinet shuffle to bring back press. white house chief of staff john kelly wants stability they write an discouraging high level departures before next year. today in puerto rico, vice president mike pence asked by nbc news about his confidence in tillerson. he said, quote, oh sure, and then reported that freeze when pressed about his confidence in tillerson. so that's the staff drama. then, of course, the trump drama. today reporters asking trump about the bizarre reference to the calm before the storm and he winked. >> mr. president, what did you mean by calm before the storm yesterday? what did you mean by that? >> thank you very much.
you'll find out. >> what was that? i mean, we don't know. and a lot of people asking the white house spokesperson who didn't have an answer and tried to argue this is all part of trump's mysterious wait and see approach to foreign policy. >> was he referring to military action when he said calm before the storm? >> as we have said many times before, i know the president has as i have from this podium on quite a few occasions, we're never going to say in advance what the president's going to do. and as he said last night, in addition to the comments you will have to wait an see. >> now, there could be a good chance that trump didn't mean anything by it. maybe he was ad libbing or trying to stir up drama but when it comes at the very time publicly undercutting the chief diplomat's efforts to deactivate this feud with north korea, what do we do with the chance that trump meant something by it? and then there's the
overorganizing question, the one that comes up a lot talking politics these days. does any of this matter? there is a cliche. i know i hear from people sometimes. trump supporters stick with him no matter what. but a lot of cliches they're not true. donald trump right now after all this hitting his lowest approval marks ever. 67% of americans approve. disapprove. only 32% i should say approve. and on a day when trump issued a new rule limiting health care coverage for women, note the numbers have a major gender gap. the approval of women lower. recent cnn poll puts it at just 27%. far lower than how he rates with men. joining me now is ej dionne, author of "one nation after trump." and daniel dale, washington correspondent for "the toronto
star." so much to get to. nira, i give you open season on the gender gap and please speak if you would to this approach to foreign policy, these dramatic comments and the tillerson feud. >> you know, i actually think these two issues are related. i think they're a lot of women who are fearful. fearful about what the trump administration is doing, fearful about what the trump -- what donald trump himself is just rattling off at any given time on a weekend. you can be out with your kids and come back home and all of a sudden he seems to have threatened war with north korea. he's -- seems to be taking joy in the idea that we'd all be worried about him having with a war with somebody. i think a lot of women look at this administration and say, it's attacking the issues that they, that we care about. but also that he's completely unstable. and that that is a national security threat. it's an issue of security.
and i think his comments yesterday only give rise to the idea that this is entirely dysfunctional in every day way, shape and form. >> ej, ne era is suggesting there's a type of enjoyment in the president keeps everyone in the suspended animation which is especially bizarre when you have the powers of the presidency because by definition everyone is in that suspended animation. the fact that he feels the need to stir it up as we saw and not walk back the comments, what do you make of it? >> well, i think you said it right earlier on when you were talking about tillerson and the trouble he's in. the president was upset with tillerson because he wanted to save face from tillerson calling him a moron which tillerson himself has not denied. and he worried about not seeing his face, trump, on television instead of tillerson was there instead. and so what you are seeing i think in these poll numbers is a sense from americans that this
guy just doesn't take this job seriously. he thinks about ratings. he thinks about how he looks. he says stuff that could tank markets. you know? the calm before the storm. he says stuff that every other president of either president would never think of saying because the president's supposed to be the guardian of stability. and so, i think the country is very nervous and i'm glad you made that point at the beginning about the cliche that trump's people won't leave him. 46% of people voted for him. he's down to 32%. americans are paying attention to all this. >> americans are paying attention. making an assessments. women are clearly out the door. a lot of other groups, we sometimes slice the groups in different ways and daniel dale, i'll show you the republicans number. job approval of among self identifying as republicans and
those that do, a third disapprove, daniel. >> yeah. i think the country can be overly fix xatded on the continued existence of any base for donald trump so people see that, you know, there's a 30% that does stick with him. >> right. >> oh my gosh, how could that be? but, you know, he has been overwhelmingly unpopular from the minute he took office and he's become more so. so i think in sort of puzzling an tlo to logically of these people and we can miss the forest here which is this is a historically unpopular president and bleeding support slowly but surely. >> i want to point you, neera, to a politico article of something i think people forget. you tell me if i'm wrong. something i noticed talking to people that work in washington and across administrations on stub stance there's a desire to be supportive of other people who are serving in the government. right?
so you might not serve to -- choose to serve donald trump but there's a sort of a comradery around the service to the nation and i say that in teeing up what i'll read to you. john kelly named white house chief of staff in july. rahm emanuel called the office to wish him luck. bill daly sent him a note with the same message. kelly didn't return either, neera. >> look. i think this administration at every moment this white house, this administration, every element of it has basically said that they're the administration of what they think is half the country. when democrats have reached out, they have been rebuked. when emanuel reached out, he is rebuked. when -- in every legislative attempt, they only want to use republicans. they have never reached out. they have the most right wing extreme positions on every issue. today's contraception ruling is part of that. part and parcel of the tax plan and health care plan and
everything else and to govern for the hard right of this country and so glad you mentioned the fact he is bled support from his base. he had a high-water mark just after the election of 46%. 45/45 support oppose and now 32%. so americans are waking up. a lot of american women are waking up. noncollege women that voted for him moving away from him because i think he sees the policies as against the interest. >> 0 broaden that out, e.j. a guest was on earlier with chris hayes and rachel's show looking back at the year ago that was in october the year leading up to the campaign. elections are scheduled in the constitution. but when they occur it can also feel a bit like an accident.
when you look at the wrong track numbers today, you mentioned this election held now or if we had a parliamentary system of a snap election, which we don't, 74% of americans say we are on the wrong track. i wonder, e.j. you are our -- i want to say it without calling you old but you are our most experienced commentator. >> i have been around a while. it is okay. i accept that. >> as we take a -- >> very young pundit. >> bless you, neera. >> taking a step back on a friday night and go just beyond the politics of it, what do you see when you see 74% one year in? do you see a cultural assessment? water gate level assessment she we are not usually at three quarters of the country even higher i should note than the disapproval numbers saying this whole country of america on the wrong track? >> well, you know, i've been saying a lot over the last several months that when people compare donald trump to richard nixon, i actually think it's unfair to richard nixon. and the reason i say that is because richard nixon had some degree of seriousness about policy. he even signed bills to go to
neera's point of working with democrats, signed a lot of bills that democrats put on the desk like to create the epa. with donald trump, there is nothing like that. there is no seriousness about the job or about policy. he's gone on both sides of da kra within a few days. some days he wants to expand health care beyond obamacare. other days he doesn't care as long as obamacare is repealed. and so, i think he's somebody who even it's said he has this solid base. but nobody out there really knows if he stands for anything. so he may be able to fall even lower than richard nixon did who after all had i think about 24% when he left office and you wonder given his inconsistency if he will even hit that if he keeps going down.
>> e.j. didn't nixon also have a sense of shame? >> he has some sense of shame. he had some. he was introspective. sometimes gloomily so and you don't sense that in donald trump. >> daniel, go ahead. >> yeah. you know, i don't know what the low point is for trump. we know that he's done a whole lot and still has retained, you know, that core. but there's a lot still to come. i think what will be interesting to see is whether he can pivot to campaigning for republican congressional candidates after he is savaging them, calling mitch and paul and their band there in the house and senate. he's been mocking them, chiding them publicly embarrassing and he will have to depend on that group getting re-elected for him to achieve anything. so, can he succeed at doing both
of those same things? both at once. raging at them while also helping them get elected by his voters? it remains to be seen. >> daniel and e.j. thank you. i appreciate it. good for thought. coming up in a new interview that had donald trump's digital campaign is breaking tonight of embedded of facebooks that he recruited on a partisan basis working in the trump campaign and turning heads. we'll show you what he said. but first, donald trump getting sued again. this time massachusetts attorney general healy suing the trump mrs over the new rules rolling back contraception coverage in the affordable care act. ♪ ♪ you nervous? ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪
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this weekend marks the anniversary of donald trump's access hollywood tape leaking and women's groups commemorated on a loop today in washington. today, is the day the trump administration picked to issue this new rule limiting women's health care. the attorney general of massachusetts already filing suit against it with the aclu arguing the new trump rule illegally limits women's health care enabling employers to back out of requirements they would have under current federal law. the trump administration offering a new broader religious exception, an attack on women's health says massachusetts attorney general adding i'm suing today to defend the critical protections. and the attorney general joins us now. thank you for making time tonight and i'm going to speak with neer in a moment. attorney general, how do you win this case?
>> well, it's great to be with you, ari. today what we see from the trump administration is a direct attack, a direct assault on women in this country. and under the guise of religious freedom which already existed under the law and the supreme court had already made that clear, nevertheless, trump and the administration have sought to deny women access to affordable and reliable birth control. as a result, over 55 million women in america today are at risk. that's just wrong. we sued today in court to stop this rule from going forward because it's unconstitutional. it violates the constitution in any number of ways and needs to be stopped. >> briefly, what are one or two of those ways? >> well, the first thing it does is a violation of equal protection clause. you have a situation where the administration has offered a rule that discriminates against women. it only affects women. therefore, it violates equal
protection. ari, you are a lawyer. you understand the establishment clause. here we have a situation where it's the boss getting to impose his religious beliefs on his workers. a women and her family. that's wrong. >> let's -- >> women should be able to exercise the freedom to make the choice. >> let's pause on that. that's a great thought. the religious freedom part is something that appeals to people on paper. for the reasons you just mentioned, though, it makes no sense here because if you say, well, what do i get to do with my own health care or my prayer or my choice not to pray, all of those go under religious freedom but what it seems like here as you're arguing you can go to court and say we have employers or men saying that it allows them to change the employees' behavior? >> that's why this is unconstitutional and just so wrong. are you surprised? was i surprised today? no. it's a shameful act and women
are scared by the actions and continued actions of this administration. but here's why we're going to win. it's -- you can't do that. the basic principles say that we get to exercise religious freedom, of course. and the law and the supreme court recently set this clear in hobby lobby. there are already existing protections of freedom under the law that protect religious institutions and the like. but that's not what this is about. this is about a systematic effort to eviscerate women's access to health care and not only are they offering religious objection, ari, as a reason, they offered a separate rule today that said the boss gets to basically lob a moral objection that would allow the boss to deny care to women or to other employees. that's just wrong. and that's what's really scary. the idea that somebody, an employer, could make a moral objection that would deny women access to needed health care
really opens up to a scary degree any number of options and again, it's why i sought to file directly in court this afternoon and to seek an immediate order to stop this rule from going forward. as i say, president trump is showing to be at war with women in this country. he needs to be stopped and we are going to look to do it through the courts here through this action. >> neera, go ahead. >> i think the challenge here is that this isn't the first thing the president has done, that donald trump has done, regarding women. from the moments this administration started he announced and has pushed forward a plan to defund planned parenthood. rolled laws of paid leave, equal pay. from beginning to end, this administration has been -- it seems at war with women and fundamentally attacking basic core protections. let me just say. this contraceptive rule is
incredibly impactful. it's helped women but it's dropped the teen pregnancy rate in this country. we have had the biggest decline in teen pregnancy in decades. why? because of access of contraception. why? people want to get rid of that is really just a reason they just want to undermine women's rights and that's what's at stake here. >> so i mean, that's the law and the policy and some of the constitutional footing. neera, i'll ask you about the politics. senator brown suggesting today that this is not a winning path for republicans if in addition to the government in your medical office they should add your boss. health care decisions between you and your doctor and not your government and your boss. >> access to contraception is not a 50/50 issue or a 60/40 issue. it's an 80/20, 90/10. once again, donald trump is appeasing the most extreme elements of his base. you know, as you discussed
earlier in the show, his support now is at 32%. the group he's losing is women. women of all stripes. and i think this is the reason why. they see that donald trump stands on one side. jeff sessions stands on one side. hhs stands on one side. and they stand on another. >> attorney general, final thoughts on the road ahead? you obviously acted quickly. i wonder if you share with our viewers how that works. how prepped and long ago did you start drafting this plan? >> well, you know, ari, we have been contemplating this for a while because, unfortunately, this is a president who time and time again sought to make good on any number of unconstitutional campaign promises and ready to go today because we know how high the stakes are, how serious this is. this is women's access to preventive health care services. neera says so effective and so
important and so widely used by democrats and republicans alike. this is and should not be a partisan issue. this is about health kafr. so look. we have suhhed the trump administration before. we have been successful. we'll continue to make our case every day. this is about the constitution and once again we have a president who doesn't seem to think that the rule of law applies to him. doesn't seem to think that his administration needs to abide by or respect basic constitutional principles. but as a state attorney general, that's my job to make sure he does. >> attorney general maui ra healy and neera tanden, thank you both. >> thank you. we know investigators are looking into how facebook was used in the election. the trump campaign's digital director speaking out in remarks leaking tonight about how the campaign works with he said embedded facebook staff. that's next. this woman is laughing because she's listening to a hilarious audiobook on audible.
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new developments in the role of social media in the 2016 election today, facebook announcing some russian political ads showed up on instagram. reports finding russia bought ads targeting about a dozen specific states and then tonight 60 minutes releasing a brand new clip from the forthcoming interview with the digital director brad parscale. >> we took opportunities that i think the other side didn't. >> like what? >> we had staff embedded inside our offices. >> what? >> yeah. facebook employees would show up for work every day in our offices. >> whoa. wait a minute. facebook employees showed up at the trump headquarters?
>> google and twitter employees. >> embedded in your campaign? >> they were there multiple days a week. >> what were they doing inside? >> helping teach us how to use the platform. i asked each one, i want to know every single secret button, click, technology you have. i want to know everything you would tell hillary's campaign and plus some and teach me how to use it. >> inside? >> yeah. sitting next to us. >> how do you know they weren't trojan horses. >> i would that you can to them. >> only republicans? >> i wanted people that supported donald trump. >> trump's digital director is at odds that facebook was anti-trump and while it does echo a line that he used announced that he would speak about staff it provided to the trump campaign, by facebook, google an twitter, it would certainly be odd if facebook was part of screening its own full-time employees for their partisan loyalty before quote embedding them with the trump campaign as the campaign claimed coming amidst the russia inquiry
raises as many questions as answers. joining me now is ken delaney for nbc news and jill wine-wangs, special prosecutor and contributor. jill, your reaction? >> well, i'm reminded of something that i learned that i thought was fascinating from a university of chicago professor who pointed out that the micro targeting we are now seeing through facebook is something similar to the use of radio versus television in the nixon/kennedy debates. people who saw him on television saw the debate on television thought that kennedy won. people who heard it on radio thought nixon won. we assumed it was because of the sweating nixon on television. but according to studies that he cited to me, it's because it was a rural audience listening on the radio and an urban audience that tended democratic that saw
it on television. the rural people did not yet have televisions in the '60s. and so i think there's something similar going on here with the targeting of rural populations with specific ads that could only reach them through something like facebook. too expensive to do it any other way and i think it's really interesting and very scary. >> two threads here, ken, the pull on. one is as jill says whether that was crucial targeting and was that simply effectively done, or suz it a type of expertise shared somehow by americans with russiian hackers or supporters? two, whether mr. parscale is ginning up an old talking point in a dramatic way, or whether he is suggesting a type of embedded, full-time corporate expertise screened by party affiliation that might somehow be more concerning. >> well, i think there's a couple of things going on here, ari. one thing is that these embeds,
this is actually not a new thing. those of us following every jot and tittle of this, aware that they had employees because this is something they offer all their major advertisers and so happened that the trump campaign seems to have made better use of them than the clinton campaign. whether they were tailored to be republicans sounds like a little bit of a stretch. >> a stretch meaning you don't really buy the way he's putting it now? >> not sure i buy it. anything's possible. not sure it's material. the bottom line is that parscale did have an effective facebook operation. running 50,000 tailored ads a day and so did the russians. facebook turned over 3,000 ads to the intelligence committees this week that were from a russian propaganda effort and only tip of the iceberg. so the big question is, did this sophisticated russian social media propaganda network interact, coordinate, collude with this successful trump
social media -- >> right. not to put too many threads here on a friday night but that's the reporting of all week and the dossier and publicly verified and want to ask you about. please hang with me. to finish out some of the expertise and context on the new claims and also bring in a special guest, cara swisher, executive editor of recode and a partner of ours at nbc and digital experts. what do you see in all of this? >> i think brad as ken was saying just briefly, i think it was screening them for the political affiliations seems suspect. i've called facebook and will ask them. seems inusual. the embeds are used in lots of advertisers to use things and brought them in to -- working at dow jones. they brought them in. you know? they used -- they bring them in to show or you get lessons of twitter, how to use them and bring people to the office and
very common. >> right. >> common and -- >> let me ask you about that. that goes to the coordination. the question is whether those people coming into dow jones then become dow jones employees and seen as one team. >> no, no, no. >> go ahead. >> they just give you lessons, like how to use these technologies. and they -- you know, i have had one. i had -- twitter showed reporters how to use twitter better and things like that. i don't think that's the unusual part but the issue is how much -- how effectively the trump campaign used facebook over other campaigns and how ineffectively the clinton campaign did. everybody was using these social media platforms. and as i said many times, they became weaponized really for whatever side managed to use the weapons better. whether it was twitter or facebook highly effective, obviously. and then on top of it, these inventions created in the united states of america were used and abused by russian different parts of different influential
people and influences in russia to create problems in our election system and so it's kind of ironic that we invented everything and then they turned around and used it to our detriment. >> right. ironic, indeed. something investigators are probably looking at. cara swisher, thank you for adding your expertise to this. ken, i want to go to the other piece of this. the dossier and explosive document. its author is pursued and we are told mueller's talked to him and your reporting suggests negotiations continue with the senate intel committee, said they hit a wall. the latest, senator burr and mark warner said the committee has made the multiple requests to meet with steele over last months and we remain open to any credible offer to meet with mr. steele. what can you tell us about this? >> i think what that reflects is there's a sort of dance going on, ari. eastbound though senator burr said earlier in the week, look, we have asked steele to come in and basically refused, it's more complicated than that. steele has offered to come in
but he doesn't want to do some things that the senate intelligence committee apparents wants him to do. for example, reveal who paid for the dossier. the work that he was doing. and maybe reveal some of his sources. so that is ongoing. but, you know, as we have also reported, mueller's team has gone to interview him and i find that significant, you know, nearly -- more than a year after the fbi first got parts of this dossier. so they have a long time to investigate these claims. they're still going back to talk to mr. steele to ask more questions which tells me it's still in play and there's still some things in there they're trying to vet and verify, ari. >> how do prosecutors look at that? >> there are two things happening here. one is the public disclosure by senators burr and warner and i have to say sounds very misleading to me listening to it versus what we are hearing about the willingness to cooperate. the other part is i think that mr. steele is quite justified in some of his concerns. he doesn't want to reveal his sources.
and he doesn't want to reveal who hired him because his business depends on confidentiality and because of the risk of leaks, not from the fbi and not from mueller, but the risk of leaks from congress. which seems to be the source. >> jill, what should the republican chair burr have said? should he have just said we can't agree on terms for the interview? >> yes, i mean i think the honest answer is we are negotiating the terms of cooperation. and if the problem was that mr. mueller wanted them not to talk because that would be a problem, he should have said that but it seems like it really is the terms and honestly, michael steele's terms do not seem outrageous to me. he seems quite justified in saying i don't want to reveal my sources. and we're getting diverted from the real fact which is what are the facts? it doesn't matter who hired him. it doesn't matter who paid him.
did he discover things that are true? and some of his report has clearly been verified. the willingness of the russians to provide negative information on hillary to help the trump campaign seems to be true. the fact of the trump tower and construction in russia, that's something we didn't know about that's definitely true. >> right. or you might care who paid for it because it goes to incentive, motive and the original context of the gathered information. mueller might ultimately try to determine that but the notion that the republican chair says i don't want to sit down with you to get some of what is true or allegedly true, i don't want to talk to you until i can know everything, that doesn't strike me as a normal investigative process. >> i agree with you. again, who hired them may determine whether they were looking for a certain point of view. but we already know that. we know that this was done for opposition research. we know it was anti-trump. so we already know that the bias was to find negative things. that doesn't mean what they
found isn't true. we ought to be looking at is it true? not, who hired them. >> as a reporter, i'll say we don't know whether it's true. we do know a lot of credible people including the former republican fbi director robert mueller are very interested in this explosive dossier, not the last to hear about it. jill, ken, thank you very joining me on a friday night. >> thank you. up next, the trump cabinet secretary whose wife took heat for posting the selfies describing the expensive wardrobe aboard private government jets, that cabinet secretary is taking even more trips on government planes, we'll explain next.
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cost on commercial air is $688 round trip. now, this new watchdog report raises, quote, a disconnect of the standard of proof in the actual amount of proof provided by treasury and accepted by the white house in justifying these trip requests. now, if you're thinking this is not normal, that's because it isn't. here's obama's former treasury secretary. >> i never used military aircraft for domestic travel. >> joining us now is kathleen clark, a professor of law at washington university in st. louis and an expert on government ethics. how bad? >> this is very bad. and it's bad not just for treasury secretary mnuchin but it's bad for the trump white house because the problems with trump cabinet secretary travel is widespread and it really
points to a lack of controls on the part of this administration. >> also, a lack of regret. my colleague chuck todd spoke to mnuchin about this. take a listen. >> do you regret doing that? >> i don't. and let me tell you why. all of our travel went through the same process as previous secretaries of treasury. every single one of my trips approved by the white house and the only time i've ever used or would use a private plane for government purposes if either there was a neighal security issue or we couldn't get somewhere. that's what this is about. >> is he lying? >> no. but he is deflecting the problem is. the problem isn't necessarily what the process was. using the same process as was used in the obama administration but the outcome i think is quite different or at the very least the outcome here is bad for the trump administration. it looks terrible. not just with mnuchin's flight but also the other cabinet
secretary's flights and something went wrong. the fact that mnuchin can't admit error or identify error at this stage is in itself troubling. >> you know, a lot of conservative thought leaders and commentators talk about culture and personal responsibility. you're an expert on ethics which is not about just as you say process or the rules. it's also about the ethical culture of an institution. do you see indications here that these individuals because this is more than one person in the administration, seem to have some view of themselves as the rules don't apply or this is a taxpayer funded party? steve mnuchin is someone that got rich foreclosing on homes missing a few payments. but seems to think that he can rack up the enormous bills paid for by taxpayers. >> yes. the practice of the trump cabinet secretaries traveling by
military jet, government jet, or private charter really demonstrates a welcome of sensitivity, a lack of judgment. but again, this is a problem that may well start at the top. since we -- i believe that donald trump's own personal travel to his various resorts and golf courses has cost the taxpayers tens of millions of dollars, for outstripping what was budgeted for the secret service and other budgets. so this is a widespread problem and the one thing that mnuchin said i think we should pay close to attention is he's blaming the white house an it may well be that part of the blame belongs there. on the white house. >> right. >> but that's not the only place the problem is. >> well, and trump reportedly removed tom price over this same private jet travel and if what you say is true, for accountability, the president would have to by that standard remove himself. we'll keep an eye on that.
>> if i could, i just want to clarify. mnuchin traveled by government jet. and i believe that price many of his flights were actually by private jet. so similar problem. but just technically a different mechanism was used. >> right. no. i mentioned in the set-up of the discussion a lot of this was military jets and why again when you see a former treasury official say i never did, not once in the entire ten you to do that. for the obvious reason with all due respect to the important role that the treasury secretary plays over the capital markets, he can be in the air for an hour or two and pick up phone calls when he lands. he is not the president. >> correct. >> kathleen clark, thank you for your ethic accumen. >> thank you. more questions than answers for fbi investigators on this important case, what do authorities know about the las vegas shooter's motive? latest on that story coming up. i'm all about my bed. this where's gary?
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it has been five days now since that deadly shooting attack on a country music festival in las vegas. today investigators emphasizing their belief there was, as previously reported, one shooter. but after chasing down more than a thousand clues and combing through this gunman's life, police say they're no closer to explaining what drove this 64-year-old reclusive but wealthy gambler to commit those horrific mass murders. miguel has more.
>> reporter: investigators have now scoured multiple crime scenes, the hotel turn killing field and the home where he lived. >> what can you tell us about motive? >> i'm confident telling you today that we had one shooter and he's deceased. we're confident he did it alone. but did anyone else know what he was planning and why? that is the main focus of our investigation today. >> reporter: irs records showed paddock earned at least $5 million gambling in 2015. and he purchased tracer rounds, bullets that leave a visible trail in the dark. shot for times, samantha was finally able to go home today.
>> i'm just grateful i didn't have to completely say good-bye to all the people that i love. >> reporter: what happened in vegas is being felt nationwide. today in chicago and austin, stepped up security as thousands gather for concerts and baseball games. tonight we now know the names of all 58 victims, 30 with ties to southern california. the youngest, just 20, bailey sweitzer, the other, 57-year-old patty mestas. and this officer dying in the city he loved. tonight in las vegas 58 families began to plan funerals.
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the very talented lynn manuel miranda made headlines this weekend when he was called out president trump's disparages comments about the mayor of port rico. he said, quote, you're going straight to hell, no long lines for you." >> it the definition of adding insult to injury. and at the same time, it's jaw dropping. this has been an unprecedented disaster and it deserves an unpress denned response. a at least commensurate with the other hurricanes in america. puerto rico is part of america, not we're so surprised at how
hard this turned out to be. >> my emmy nominated colleague lawrence o'donnell will be back the # 1st hour starts now. >> tonight calm before the storm. was it a tool of distraction or a dire warning? a day after those presidential comments, he's still not saying, leaving the question tonight does anyone know what trump's talking about? plus, an update on the russia front. what could robert mueller's team want to know about that infamous dossier and with whom else is it's author willing to meet? and a live