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on "morning joe" tomorrow morning. catch that. my thanks to jonathan la mir, brett stephens, ms. maxwell and steve schmidt. appreciate you being here. i don't know if i'll sleep better. now to chuck todd and "mtp daily." >> hello, nicolle. if it's wednesday, the republican civil war is anything but civil. tonight, the fallout from the flake/corker one-two punch. >> okay, look, they have to do their thing. we have great unity. >> what are the two sides of this divided party really fighting about? plus, revelations on the russia dossier. >> i think it's very sad what they've done with this fake dossier. >> what's more important? what's in it or who paid for it? and senators continue to man answers on the deadly niger ambush. the ranking democrat on the
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armed services committee joins me as well. this is "mtp daily," and it starts right now. good evening. i'm chuck todd here in washington. welcome to "mtp daily." in case you didn't notice, one heck of a fight going on now inside the republican party. folks, the fight is looking more and more like a rivalry between a hammer and nail. a pair of retiring senators, bob corker, jeff flake, dramatically blasted their party's leader as a threat to our safety and democracy. if it was a call for fellow republicans to take up arms against the president, well, then they're alone, because no one's taken it. >> i think people should settle their differences personally. it's better that way. it's in our interests to have party unity to continue to work forward on an agenda. >> is the president dangerous to democracy? >> i have a different take on this. i try to keep it more about
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policy. >> the president has his own way of communicating. look, it's worked. >> i strongly believe our country is polarized right now and too divided and think there's blame on the right and left, frankly. >> there is a commitment within the republican party to fight for limited government. a fight to restore separation of powers and federalism. >> insofar as this president is willing to fight for those things i'll stand by him in that effort. >> folks, there is no denying that the republican party under president trump is at war with itself. former presidents like bush, former nominees like mccain and sitting senators like corker and flake have recently warned the party's current direction under this president is an existential threat to american values and american democracy. what is this party fighting about exactly? you might say the answer is easy. fighting over mr. trump. what about him? is the party fighting over what he wants or how he acts? if it's a fight over what he wants, why is the white house cheering corker and flake?
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usually yes folks to advantage his agenda. corker votes with the president 86%, flake, 96% of the time. this afternoon president trump mocked flake but insisted that both flake and corker would end up getting onboard on taxes. >> the first time i saw him on television i said, i assume he's a democrat. look, his poll numbers are terrible. he's done terribly for the great people of arizona. i wish him well. i really believe he'll do the right thing for the country, vote for tax cuts, because we desperately need tax cuts too put other people back to work and i really believe bob corker will do the right thing also. >> same time no denying there's a big party split on policy between the trump wing and establishment wing. whether mr. trump's foreign policy, corker fears could lead for world war iii or hard-line
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immigration, flake rails against. or trade, neither of those two senators are happy about. what seemed to push corker and flake over the edge wasn't the policy differences but how the president acts. there is a huge divide in the party over the president's behavior. a lot of elected leaders can't stand it. whether tweeting, vulgarity, name-calling, brawls or threats. same time, you could argue this style of grievance politics drives the trump base and is arguably the reason steve bannon is celebrating make and corker's rear tirmts e retirements though it's possible democrats could replace them. if you don't know what you're fighting for or against, how do you win the fight? and senior editor of breitbart, set brating the departures of flake and corker. nice to see you. >> good to be with you. >> i start with the simple question -- whasht is this figh about inside the party?
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how do you view this internal spat? >> chuck, that is a most important question, and i think noteworthy that when jeff flake took to the senate floor to talk about his grievances against the president he didn't mention policy or ideology but what he called behavior and used that term as well. what he really meant was the president's words, use of twitter, things said in response to critics, and i don't they they is what most people think about when they think of threats to democracy. if you had a president who ignored the constitution at obama did or a president who ignored the courts as obama did, the striking thing about jeff flake's speech, he completely ignored the eight years of "building babies: an inner adventure," hostility on the left. no criticism what the left, democrats had done to create the political situation we're in. i don't know what it is specifically he had a problem with trump about. many trump critics, especially the never trump wing,
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personality. think tanks or other lobbying organizations thought he would have action to power if a republican won and trump did's it without them so they don't have that access and are burning bridges hoping he'll fall and they can take back control as gatekeepers of the party. >> why celebrate flake and corker leaving? two people that are basically fairly reliable votes for the president's agenda. if they end up being replaced -- if all this -- it's a democrat that replaces them. and this in-fighting maybe produces a nominee less electable in either of those states. what's the victory then? >> i don't think in either case they'll be replaced by a democrat. i think they're both from reliably conservative, republican states. >> arizona, realistic. a swing state. three-point race in the general and moving that way, but i take your point on tennessee. >> in general, republicans feel good about chances in 2018
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because the democratic party moved so far left. when republicans are confident of how they'll do in the midterms that creates a confidence among insurgents who think they can challenge incumbent without costing the party a seat. one of the reasons you see enthusiasm behind this. in regards to senators corker and flake. bob corker was the senate who made possible the iran deal lowering the threshold for obama to move that deal through congress and jeff flake, since at the senate, campaigned as a conservative when he ran, has pushed amnesty. the gang of eight bill. there are clashes coming down the road in the daca negotiations between what trump's position will be and jeff flake's position will be. >> so let me ask this, then, though. is there a policy divide inside the republican party? >> i think there have always been policy divides, and that's -- >> i understand that. but in "this" fight. the split between the establishment and your wing is over -- what policy is it over?
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if it is. >> fundamentally, the division now and before trump going back to 2013 and the gang of eight has been about immigration. immigration is an issue the base departs from the establishment and has done so even going back into george w. bush's presidency, when john mccain had secured the delegates needed to be the republican nominee gave a speech at cpac, boos along with cheers, said, look, i got the message on immigration. border security first before we talk about legalizing anybody. that's what the base insisted on but the establishment keeps trying to rush the legalization part through beforehand. that's where the split comes in. lesser but important extent, a split on trade. the establishment of the republican party and democratic party are more comfortable with free trade agreements than respective bases. imsgrags real i think immigration is really the dividing line. >> does the president's behavior -- interesting.
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you were in a back and forth with my next guest, bill kristol. you see to say democrats don't like his behavior either but are willing to overlook it. ever a point it is self-defeating? he spent a week last week instead of selling health care frankly over-defending himself on a condolence call that could have been solved if he would have just -- been able to pick up the phone and simply apologize to the widow. does think of this behavior concern you about his ability to govern? >> i don't think so, because i think he has been elected as an outsider, as a disrupter. to shake things up the way they're done. not just true with domestic but foreign policy. he's going toe-to-toe with north korea's leader, to show kim jong-un we can be as aggressive as he. i don't think he's always right. a more clear cut case than this
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one, more of a case the widow and congresswoman missbrepting what was said, more clear, kaiser khan. nobody thought donald trump said the right thing responding to that speech. i found trump supporters are generally up front with criticisms. on the campaign trail and talked to people about, for example, the "access hollywood" people. talked to women who supported trump. disagreed with the way he said things don't like it. yet he supports them on their issues and that's why they're sticking with him. as long as trump sticks to the issues that got him elected that's how he'll keep his base and continue to do well. >> it's fair to say, i think, if breitbart is a platform for any part of the republican party it's for the populist agenda. ask you this. last night, late-night vote in the senate. where is breitbart on this? where are you on this? this decision that sort of took took away power of the individual to sue banks over credit card consumer spending and things like that? is that something that you're
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comfortable supporting via the populist wing of the party? >> interesting questions. pop pew limpepewlism populisms. tea party, within the republican party, had a problem with the way that piece of legislation was passed. the consumer protection bureau as created, unlimited powers and l. for that reason republicans in congress held out against it and its nominee for a very long time. when you talk about that agency you also have to talk about the populist movement that wanted our government to return to the original version of the constitution. that's the overwhelming -- >> you're picking that side, not -- the consumer protection side of things doesn't fit into that ideology of pow pewlism pu your mind? >> depends. it has to come down to the
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details on some of these economic issues. in general, i think the broader issue that would unite both populisms, tea party populism and anti-tea party populism, should have been allowed to go into bankruptcy and allowed to fail. instead of bailing out wall street, a new set of bank shos have come in, new set of creditors. the people that created the problemwards and that's where it aligns nicely with tea party, started around t.a.r.p. and the bailout. >> thanks for coming on. >> good to be with you. >> bring in the other side of this debate. bill kristol, editor at large with "the weekly standard." always good to see you. >> good to see you. >> same question, different way. you have many people who tell you privately that they are with
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you in this fight inside the -- conservative movement, you sort of are stand alone if you're looking for elected officials to be behind you. why do you think that is? >> i think they're intimidated. trump is president. they have trihings to get done, personnel and favors, constituents, voters, mostly pro-trump. not constituents mostly pro-trump, this day and age, senators and congressmen forget supposed to represent their constituents. 6 65% for trump. you can't ask them to go against any stance they don't approve of. that's happening. they're cowelled by trump. donald trump might think he had a lovefest at the hill, what he tweeted. they were rolling their eyes, as they always do when discussing trump. unhinged on a couple of things they said but not going to say
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it publicly. can this go on? it's not affable behavior, not unknown in politics. all of us sort of saying this can't go on forever. is it tenable? eye rolling in private and sucking up in public? i don't know. maybe it is tenable for longer than they with. maybe for four years. seems hard to believe but i'm struck by their willingness to go along. and john coren endorsed ron moore today and was proud to, he said. >> follow his twitter feed, subtweets the president all the time. takes veiled shots at him all the time, but they're very subtle and then, you know, he does what he has to do, in his mind. >> does he have to do it? really? in such risk in any way? been in the senate quite a while. not on the ballot this year, pretty certain. not sure about 2020 or 2022 .
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he could be quiet. not endorse the democrat, but just be quiet. >> is this a fight over style or substance? civil war -- i think it's turning into one. >> yes. >> is it over style or substance? >> i suppose both, but really don't like calling it style. i think the question of donald trump's character, judgment and temperament isn't a matter of style or personality. that's what the pro-trump people want you to think it is. i'm offended because trump says it like it is or something. no. trump doesn't have the character or judgment to be president. shouldn't are president and that's fundamental judgment and people can try to cover that up all they want and talk, i sort of don't like the tweets but we're getting a lot in policy, the reluctant trump point of view now. i don't disagree with some people who through some policies are awfully important, the course and others, willing to swallow hard, but worries me is that people have moved from a
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sort of sophisticated and grudging rationalization of trump and continuing to criticize him on what he -- when he doesn't have really wrong. turns out, he isn't really doing that many things that are wrong and let's defend some of the really indefensible things he says and maybe once can cite one time, as the general did, no choice, "access hollywood" once it came out, not really getting into the business of holding trump accountable in any serious way for what he says or how he behaves in the white house. >> curious today. there has been no criticism of a tweet that went out today that i assume you wouldn't be happy about. so the president today sends out a tweet. spoke to president chief china to congratulate him as extraordinary elevation. also discussed noco and trade, two very important subjects. what do you think of the president of the united states cheering the authoritarian-ism
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of china? >> funny, i saw that tweet, too, and didn't actually comment on it. we haven't discussed this. not coordinating this. >> we're not. >> i was also very struck by this. the extraordinary elevation by his, you know, communist party? >> what does that mean? that sounds like a compliment? >> didn't they work right into the constitution that now, gxi jinping is part of the, china's -- >> yes. >> and we need to renegotiate trade or north korea, kidding themselves, trump supporters, he's making problem. quite the contrary. seduced xi at mar-a-lago. trump admires xi jinping and thinks that elevation he got was great. that's the distinction between the free nations and dictatorships i think. >> the final question.
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something lindsey graham kept bringing up on sunday. voters spoke. what do republican establishment folks owe the trump voters who, it's clear, all the numbers show, no mat ert hter how you d they provide the majority of support that kept republicans in power in 2016? >> most republicans ran ahead of trump in 2016. in our system senators and congressmen are elected like trump and have to use their judgment. i don't buy the argument because trump is at 41%, 39%, whatever, in the polls we're supposed to roll over. oh, my god, trump voters this and that. people have an obligation to use best judgment on policy and holding the administration accountable. i would put, have a lot more respect for the reluctant trump supporters senators and congressmen and others if they said, look, we're going to vote with trump most of the time because we agree with most of his policy and have serious oversight hearings on the things that are questionable about the trump administration's beihavio
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but i don't see a lot of serious oversight by the house or senate. >> there is the russia probe. give them that. as always, sir, thank you very much. we're talk more about the president's des 's definition o. that's next. check it out! self-appendectomy! oh, that's really attached. that's why i rent from national. where i get the control to choose any car in the aisle i want, not some car they choose for me. which makes me one smooth operator. ah! still a little tender. (vo) go national. go like a pro. it's ok that everybody ignores me when i drive. it's fine, 'cause i get a safe driving bonus check every six months i'm accident-free. and i don't share it with mom. right, mom? right. safe driving bonus checks, only from allstate. switching to allstate is worth it. and it's also a story mail aabout people
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hey? i paused it. bam, family time. so how is everyone? find your awesome with xfinity xfi and change the way you wifi. welcome back. another day, another impromptu seat of your pants news conference. right flou the president is in dallas for a republican fund-rais fund-raiser. and a hurricane harvey review as well. and talked about a lot of things. here's a sampling. >> i actually think that's watergate modern age. >> it's very sad wa they've done with this fake dossier. >> 401(k)s to me are very important. >> the tax plan will be incredible for this country. >> we'll have a big meeting on opioids tomorrow. >> we have to get something for it but we are looking at daca. i'd rather not say but i think
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you'll be impressed. >> people don't understand. i went to an ivy league college. i was a nice student. i did very well. i'm a very intelligent person.
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i think the republican party has a pretty good unity. when i look at that room yesterday at lunch and you know and reported on it very well, kristen. i mean, you gave it a very good report. the fact is, there was tremendous unity in that room, and we're really unified, really unified, on what we want to do. we want tax cuts for the middle class. we want tax cuts for businesses to produce jobs. there's great unity. welcome back. plenty to dig into today with our panel. bring them in. michael steele, and jennifer rubin, and writer for the
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"washington post." michael steele, head of the party for some time. you heard what the definition of the civil war is about. what is it about? have you figured it out. >> yeah. it's been in the making for quite some time. it guess back to the end of the reagan era where people began to realize that the promises made were not the promises kept, and that then played itself out during the bush years where there was spending and growth in government. there was the war and a bunch of other things. certainly the social promises made on abortion and health care and the like have all sort of come to a boil within the party. so as your prior guest noted, there is sort of a constitutional versus sort of -- >> give joel credit. never heard of constitutional populism but he constructed it in an eloquent way. >> touches to the core of the tea party. that was my time in office, when that came to be. so you can see the fissures and
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line. the problem, the party never belt with it. absent frustration growing beneath them, if you will, they sort of papered over it, until trump became their champion. >> this is where are, jennifer, abortion is actually the perfect example. the republican party leadership, is there any bigger set of promises that they have, that they have broken with a community than their promises on abortion to the social conservative community who has been the most important volunteer base of the republican party? the most important small donor base? and every pla phis -- just one portion of the electorate. isn't that how trump got here? basically able to expose the establishment's, you know, they've been b.s.-ing you, whether on abortion, immigration for all of these years? >> that's part of it but i think it goes back to the southern strategy and to richard nixon. there has always been a populist core in the republican party.
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it was in the democrat party, some in the republican party. and that has been growing and building and with globalization, economic dislocation, that group became louder and bolder. >> you believe these are the same -- the ones that found themselves attracted to george wallace ended up with nixon, perhaps were even kennedy voters at one time? bag reagan democrats, who you think these are? >> in large part. the problem is worse and that group expanded because of economic situations and because they finally had someone who was going to let them pull down their hair and show it all like it is. they were going to express all of these views that they felt bottled up and had been shamed about using. so now, they have free rein to say it. that's a large part of it, too. >> you feel you understand this guy? >> grew up in mid- -- i grew up
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with those economically well off but felt oppressed by liberals and grew up with that in some degree and not sure jeff flake would say that's wrong either. that they don't have a grievous he understands. look what corker and flake are saying. they're trying to get across in the message here is that this president, in their view, is not the one to address those grievances. so far violated all of these norms. it's his behavior instead of behaviors they have issue with. not his policies. trying to send a warning. >> why aren't they calling for his removal? >> there's no framework for it. >> making the symboltual case for it but stopping short. at this point, what do you have to lose and what else to run the point? >> run the clock four years to 2020, because in between now and then is a little thing called a mid-term election. they do not need the president using that bully pulpit against them. he's already going to do that.
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press appearance outside the white house today before he got on marine one on the deadly ambush in niger that killed four u.s. soldiers now under investigation by the u.s. military. which is standard procedure. senators demanding more answers. senate armed services committee will receive a classified briefing from pentagon officials tomorrow. lindsey graham and democratic leader chuck schumer told me on "meet the press" sunday they were unaware there were 1,000 u.s. troops in niger. something the pentagon has pushed back on a little. joining me now is the top democrat on the armed services committee, democrat, and somebody i actually name-checked ob sunday with senator schumer who joins me now. senator reid. thanks for joining us. how are you? >> i'm good. how are you? >> after senator mccain, the leader, the current chairman of your committee, threatened to subpoena the pentagon, suddenly secretary mattis got his tail
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over to capitol hill, privately seemed to brief both mccain and grar graham. did you get a briefing? >> no, i did not. i spoke to secretary mattis on the phone thursday evening and friday i was in providence, rhode island and glad he got over there. as you know, the secretary left the following day for his asia tour. >> what do you feel -- was this -- let me ask you this. both lindsey graham and chuck schumer didn't know there were 1,000 troops in niger. was that knowable by a member of congress? did you know this? >> i did not know the exact number. one of the reasons we're having the classified briefing tomorrow is not only to look closely at what happened in niger but also to get the laydown of special operations forces in africon and other parts of the world. frankly, most of our intention has been directed without surprise to the iraq theater, syria and to afghanistan and other places.
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and recently most particularly north korea. but we do have to have this information. it's available but we have to get it and then get it on a regular basis. one of the reasons the secretary came over to brief chairman mccain, set up lines of communication so this information is not, on request, but it's constant. >> look, you know this better than anybody, since you also serve on the intel committee. i think a permanent member there. >> yes. >> or ex-officio is the technical term there. >> yes. >> there is a procedure where the intell the committee is pretty good about sharing with congress. you know, never enough. some members will say. but there is a system in place. i am learning, there really isn't a system in place for you to be regularly updated as a key member of armed services, regularly updated about small theaters around the world. how do you plan to change that? >> again, i must give the chairman credit, chairman
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mccain, because he wants to establish a procedure in which we are routinely briefed, not just the pending crisis at the moment but on the areas where we have troops, particularly troops that might be exposed, and one of the other factors that has come into place is with the -- disburpersion of isis, with mor theaters considered benign, places in africa, we would send routinely special forces to train, et cetera. now those theaters actually have significant threats. >> i have to ask, a part feels like a wash, rinse and repeat. we break up al qaeda. make progress against al qaeda particularly in afghanistan and then all of a sudden offshoots of al qaeda spread everywhere else. and we beat it back, beat it back, and now it becomes isis. now we beat it back and now you're saying the same thing.
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are we in a never-ending war? >> we are in a long-term struggle, and it is one of the ironies and it is ironic and tragic in cases, particularly the loss of these four dedicated soldiers, and others around the globe, that we have decisively set back isis in iraq and syria, and so now they've gone from holding terrain to back to being a group that will stage spectacular attacks, classic asymmetrical wear faire aal wa we don't know or have lightly defended and they will attack. also try to stir up terrorist activities in europe and elsewhere. so this is how they hang ton to whatever's left of their power. >> i know there's a concern, particularly in some central african countries, they're less
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governed. not ungoverned but say less governed and can become the safe havens, but what is the line as far as you're concerned about -- where the united states is the world's policeman versus the united states is worried about its own national security interests? >> i would hope that line would be the same. that is, that we are only taking action around the world where we see our national security interests involved. and hopefully would do it in -- particularly with these isis elements, that we don't give them a chance to organize, but it is a very difficult line to draw. we have traditionally -- this goes back for, to the cold war -- have been training countries throughout the globe providing forces. again in a benign situation. now in this confrontation of many countries infiltrated or
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with indigenous forces prepared to attack us very cleverly and we are trying to get that line in order. it's our national security. it's not gratuitous, we're protecting ourselves and doing it in cooperation with others. >> final question. somewhat related to north korea. bob corker, you could say one of the things that triggered his most recent criticism of the president is his concern about the handling of diplomacy with north korea or the lack thereof. he's worried we're headed to world war iii. do you share his level of concern? >> i'm very concerned. i was in south korea about ten days ago, talking not only to our military but also to the south korean government officials there. the foreign minister, their minister of defense and their national security adviser. it is a very, very difficult situation. the administration is salient, rightfully so, diplomacy should be our first effort. of course, military readiness always on hand.
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but the president seems to be sort of undercutting secretary tillerson time and time again. the message over in south korea is one of incoherence and confusion. are we going to try to talk to the north koreans? are we going to, you know, take dramatic kinetic action? one of the realities is, and if there was an outbreak of war on the korean peninsula it would be horrific, and unlike anything we've seen since probably world war ii. >> senator jack reid, on that dire note i leave it there. appreciate you coming on and sharing your views. thank you, sir. >> thank you. one of my favorite politicians ever, up next. whose ultimate political fate will always remain a mystery. that is next. a good soldier. i had purpose and i loved it. you never told me you were a hero. you are my hammer out there. don't let these young guys see you fold. ♪ i'm only human ♪ i make mistakes get down! ♪ i'm only human ♪ it's all it takes
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funny, irreverent, a hint of reality. his character rose to become budget director, lieutenant governor and eventually a candidate for governor running against the man he worked for. and the two candidates were left sitting side by side was the season cliffhanger awaiting results. who won? we'll never know. the show was canceled after that season. it wasn't meant to be a series finale, but it was. by the way, his real name was robert williams. changed williams to the french known and paid for it by hearing it constantly mispronounced and that he said, was the quote i paid for my pretentiousness. he was 89. th served in the navy. i do outrank my husband, not just being in the military, but at home. she thinks she's the boss. she only had me by one grade. we bought our first home together in 2010. his family had used another insurance product but i was like well i've had usaa for a while,
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last scene sitting at the kitchen table at the radio. three junkies just like me. i have to start with the dossier. i guess we should start with this -- there's always been have question who paid for it. we were told a democrat was involved and the clinton campaign denied it and turns out the lawyer, shane harris, did pay for it. does that matter? >> i don't think so. look, it matters in so far as it's a significant fact but doesn't change what's in the dossier itself. indication that christopher steele bent it towards a democratic cust more or anything tendentious. the fbi was prepared to pay him to continue his work. >> i want to bring up something said about the dossier. overlooked that day when he and mark warner did a joint press conference where they were on the investigation. let's play it. >> well, i think it's very sad what they've done with this fake
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dossier. it was made up and i understand they paid a tremendous amount of money, and hillary clinton always denied it. the democrats always denied it, but i think it's a disgrace. a . it is a very sad, a very sad commentary on politics in this country. >> i wanted to play the trump quotas well. we're investigating this. and though we have been incredibly enlightened at our ability to rebuild backwards the steele dossier to a certain date, getting past that point has been somewhat impossible. the point they were saying, they've corroborated parts of it. and then there are parts they haven't. >> correct. that's been the reporting all along. i think that it is very important in one respect, that
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trump gives fox news something to talk about 24/7. this is literally the cue for their program. they cover a different universe in which hillary clinton is still the center of all scandal. whether it is this or the iranian scandal, there is net boring of buzz trump throws up so that his followers have a different story line to follow. >> i have people who i correspond with, who believe the democrats cooked up the whole russian conspiracy and this is the proof. >> it goes to what jennifer was saying. if the russians are anywhere near it, that becomes the central narrative. and this is where there's so much coming out of the administration that is newsworthy and noteworthy to push to that side. yeah. they're going to hold on to that. it confirms for them a narrative about the clintons that has been in place since 1992. >> i'll tell you.
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it is a head scratcher bordering on troubling. it is like, why was the clinton campaign so emfat snik one of two things. either mark misled his client that he got it done and it was paid for. or somebody lied. it is not help at all. once you get the clintons in the center of it. what the clintons can't say is don't forget the gop source is the one who got this whole ball rolling. i don't understand why there wasn't more transparency. ? that goes to, if you had it, where were you? >> there were a lot of campaign people who are furious with obama who believed that he didn't do enough. if i were a clinton staffer, you
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guys are sitting on the dossier? sound the alarm. >> the iranian deal that fires up the right is based on campaign research. you know what isn't done? going to the russians to get it which is what the trump people did with that meeting in trump tower. this is all misdirection. they dredge up stories that were debunked. listen, the good news for americans out there is, robert mueller doesn't care one wit about all of this nonsense. he has this investigation. it is going along parallel lines. possible collusion and he is going to get to the bottom of this. all of this distraction is for the trump base. >> at the end of the day, the facts will be the facts. and they will likely be ignored.
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let's go back to the conversation. you wanted to jump in on something. i guess it goes to, what should jeff do about it? >> you've been sounding the alarm. >> fight. what are you not fighting for? >> i think there's about five or six republican who's can really change the direction of the agenda right now. without those three republican who's oppose health care. corker and flake, nothing gets done. so let they will push it in a more centrist direction. >> that's policy. >> if their issue is behavior, is there something they should do? i think they're trying to do it. they're trying to stir other republicans. they're trying to begin the conversation. these people are not known for
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the moral courage. >> i'll running out of time. i didn't know where i was from ethnically. so we sent that sample off to ancestry. my ancestry dna results are that i am 26% nigerian. i am just trying to learn as much as i can about my culture. i put the gele on my head and i looked into the mirror and i was trying not to cry. because it's a hat, but it's like the most important hat i've ever owned. discover the story only your dna can tell.
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in case you missed it, a popular senator from the president's own party announced he will not seek re-election due to the political climate in 1995. before there was jeff flake there was bill bradley. the nba player turned democratic senator when he announced he wouldn't seek fourth term and he cited toxic politics.
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>> we live in a time when on a basic level, politics is broken. in growing numbers, people have lost faith in the political process. and on whether it can help the threatened economic circumstances. the political debate has settled into two familiar ruts. >> that was 22 years ago. anyway, of course, bradley did not say the leader of his own party was a danger to democracy as jeff flake did but there were some sim sarts like leaving the door open for a future in political life. >> i am not leaving public life. and therefore, i will continue to be a part of this dialogue. i'll expand my efforts to try to engage the american people and the political process in trying to think through where we're headed as a country. we have some big problems out there that the political process just isn't addressing.
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>> there are other ways to serve. i love the state of arizona. i would love to serve in other capacities or do other things. i'm certainly going to be speaking up on these topics. we have to as a country. we have big issues and challenges that we need to solve. and i've been very concerned snflt bill bradley was a rumored challenger until he decided not to do it. did he run five years later. "the beat" starts now. >> thank you. a breakthru in the russia case today. they asked julian acitibank coordinating a political effort to release hillary clinton's deleted e-mails. you may remember it was july 9 when "the new york times" changed everything by claiming that the cell lynn linked lawyers offered help to trump tower. today october 25th, could mark another key day in these

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