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get a break? republicans are behind closed doors right now. we have new details coming out as they hammer out some of the plan, and let me repeat that. 90 minutes before the official rollout, they're still behind closed doors trying to hammer out the details of the plan. you think this meeting is going to break up in the next 30 minutes or so? we're live in the hallways. expect breaking news over the next hour. we're also looking at new details at the new york terror attack. the killer asking for an isis flag in his hospital room. that did not happen, but we'll tell you what did. investigators finding new stuff on the suspect's phone, plus president trump calling for the death penalty. then later on in the show, a one on one interview with someone who has gone one on one with the president. senator john mccain, talking about his health, the state of the union and whether there's any bipartisan left, bipartisanship rather in d.c. tom brokaw is here to talk about
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it. let's start with the breaking news and kasie hunt on capitol hill. this thing is changing by the minute. i've been watching your coverage. bring us up to speed on things like the corporate tax rate and the numbers republicans need to pass this. what's up? >> reporter: hallie, this is an incredibly thorny math problem they are trying to solve as they are heading into the big unveiling for what promises to be a change that in law, in tax law that touches every single american. we are still learning exactly what the details are going to be, and we have some critical questions still. behind closed doors they're here in the ceremonial room in the lo longwirth office building. they are walking through fact sheets about the individual and corporate rates that are set to be incomed in this bill. forgive me if i keep looking over my shoulder to see if there's anybody we want to talk
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to more about this. essentially we -- they have given out fact sheets that basically line up with what we know. there will be an increase in the standard deduction for individuals, for example, that there will be some kind of compromise on state and local tax deductions. we are told right now and on this sheet it says it will be limited to property taxes and not include state and local income taxes. but at the same time we're also hearing from people that this is potentially still in flux. so why are all of these details important? because the speaker has to figure out how to make sure that coalition of members from new york, new jersey, other high tax areas, aren't pushed so far that they decide they can't vote for this. they're trying to figure out how to pull things away from the corporate side because the freedom caucus has drawn a line in the sand and said no, you can't raise the corporate tax rate above 20 % in the bill. that's the other major side of this we haven't addressed yet.
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and so that push and pull has led to -- they've been in frankly, up all night. the details have been changiing all night. they have to keep the total costs below $1.5 trillion and they need 218 votes. the materials that we are getting coming out of this room still leave major questions. for example, they say the corporate tax rate will be 20%, but there's no nation if it will expire. there's a question around the home mortgage deduction. right now under the proposal, any home that costs more than $500,000 according to this fact sheet, would not get to use the home mortgage tax deduction. so i have some questions about that. is it -- do you still get to take a deduction on the first $500,000 worth of your house or is it excluded entirely. there are republicans from
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california where there are families who the cost of living is just extremely different. $500,000 buys something much different in washington or new york or los angeles than it does in austin, texas or milwaukee. these are going to increasingly seem like very ar cane details that will be hard to explain, but the important part here is that any single one of these things has the potential to blow up the process. now, with that said, i do think there's a difference here than there was on health care which is to say the political imperative to get this done is so high. everyone, republicans of all stripes, think this is a do or do situation. if they don't do it, they could risk their majority coming up in just about a year, or just about a year out from the midterm elections. i feel like we just sort of did this. i don't know about you. that's weighing heavily on them and ultimately puts the foot on
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the scale that to this being more likely to pass than not. potentially rocky path. >> as always, kasie hunt, the devil is in the details. we're probably coming back to you later in the show. i want to bring in stephanie ruhle who knows taxes like nobody's business. >> what a nerd. >> i know. the $500,000 cap on the home mortgage deduction. what stands out as the biggest questions republicans need to answer over the next hour or so? >> what's interesting about that one is no matter what you do here, if you pull one lever, if you cut something, something else has to give. so all of this is who is going to yell the loudest on the other side? who has the biggest lobby? you know that home builders, that mortgage insurers, that representatives to kasie's point from more expensive states, from places like new york, new jersey, california, d.c.,
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they'll have a say. people will put their hands in the air and they we're trying to offer something that helps the middle class. which way do you want it. it underscores how complicated it is. so many people vote with their pocketbooks. >> it's visceral. >> people said i want my taxes lowered. at the end of the day, people vote with their pocketbooks. this matters to people on both sides of the aisle, but can they actually get this through? it's massively complicated. and casey mentioned it earlier. we're talking act pass throughs. those llcs, just looking at them like they're small businesses, they're not. and you tell me, are people around this country screaming for corporate tax cuts? you know what's screaming? the stock markets because corporations are doing so well. that's not to say it wouldn't be a benefit if their taxes were
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cut. but it doesn't mean it's going to help the country. >> thank you, stephanie. on the screen you're seeing a gaggle of reporters checking out their phones and waiting for lawmakers to walk out of the doors down there after this meeting. house republicans behind closed doors will come out. we'll get more details on this. one republican who has come out is tom reed from new york, a member of the tax writing ways and means committee. it's a pleasure to have you on today. let's go through the facts of what is and isn't in the bill. the corporate tax rate is down to 20%? >> we were able to make that permanent going forward. that's a great win for america and the people back home for job creation. >> how do you pay for it? we call this a $1.5 sausage casing. >> you have to look at the whole picture. there was a lot of give and take. we've been working on this on the committee for seven years now. every time you move dial, you
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hit another area. i think we found the sweet spot that's going to be able to get this done and get it to the president's desk. and the american people will win. >> what offsets the permanent tax cut for corporations here? >> there's a lot of repeal of a lot of loopholes throughout the entire code proposal as we put the 400 pages out there. as this is released, take a look at it. it's 400 pages. we can read it. we'll go through the process. we want the input to fine tune it better. this is a great victory for people back home. >> the $500,000 cap for home mortgage deductions, answer a question for me here. kasie hunt pointed out, is that total cost of your home? does it count toward the first half a million for somebody's house? >> we're talking about $500,000 worth of mor damatgage. we're talking about the debt and the interest being able to be deducted. one of the key things here we've done is by expanding the standard deduction, we made it
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simpler. people don't have to spend hours or thousands of dollars with their accountant to have people fill out their tax return. they can do it at home now because it's simpler. >> this is not going to be a wiz bang pass the house kind of situation. you have a lot of different factions of the republican party. everybody understands it's politically important, but how do you expect to make these issues with the freedom caucus versus higher tax states like your own. >> we can work through this. i'm worried about the special interest groups. we are appealing lop holes that the town of d.c. is going to fight to protect. we've taken it onto change the culture in washington. >> i know you have a lot going on today. one of your colleagues, peter king is out this morning talking about the time line for this. here's what he had to say.
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>> we're going to be voting on this in two weeks. no one has seen it yet. and this could have catastrophic consequences in my district. maybe it could help my district. i don't know. i haven't seen it. i don't know how you can digest a bill of 1,000 pages with all the loopholes and exceptions that could be in there or all the unforeseen consequences that could be in there. >> you said yourself it's 400 pages. how are members of congress and lawmakers and the american people supposed to figure that out in two weeks. >> i respect peter king. this is 400 pages. we comedy jean digest this. when we took carry of the elimination where they were going to repeal it, we have a compromised position. this is about getting to yes and governing for the american people. they're sick of the gridlock in washington. we have an opportunity to do it. >> tom reed on a busy day. thank you for joining us here on
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this show as the tax bill is getting rolled out at 11:15. keeping an eye on that for the next hour for us here is a political recorder for the guardian, and zeke miller. i want to get your reaction to what you heard from the congressman. the corporate tax rate is going to be permanent. that's significant. >> i think the devil is in the details. they still haven't answered questikey questions. you have competing factions on the outside where you have corporate interests against personal interests. you also have within the house republican conference the competing interests of the freedom caucus as well as members from high tax states of new york and new jersey who i think aren't going to be pass if ied by the details. >> where is the broccoli? they want to talk about cotton candy, helping the middle class,
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but you don't have a balanced indi diet with just candy. >> we don't know this is a balanced tax plan yet. we're still early in this process. even though it's been going on for nine months or so. or longer as republicans have been talking about this. there is a lot of work to be done just in the house and when the senate takes a swat at this. the questions about whether or not this thing will ever come close to balance without using gimmicks or relying on economic growth projections and also the things like the questions about the deductions. these are an offer. there's a lot of negotiation that has to happen. >> zeke and sabrina, i'll ask you to stick around and get your tax hats on. we have reporters live covering this. we want to talk about what president trump is now saying about the death penalty for that suspected new york city attacker. and you're also going to hear from the hero police officer who is credited for making sure all of this was not much worse.
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is calling for execution of the suspect in the new york terror attack. here is what he is tweeting today. would love to send the nyc terrorists to guantanamo but it takes longer than going through the federal system. there is also something appropriate about keeping him in the home of the horrible crime he committed. should be fast. all caps. death penalty.
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that's not quite what we heard from the president when he was encouraging his administration to send the suspect to gitmo. you see the sketch. we're learning disturbing details about this attack. we are joined from near the scene. christen, bring us up to date on what we know so far about sayfullo saipov and what we're learning from prosecuters here. >> reporter: good morning. sayfullo saipov didn't say much in the hear bug he's been talking to investigators in his hospital room we've learned from lot from that criminal complaint. he says he has been planning this attack for more than a year. that he took a dry run just last week renting a home depot truck and traveling on this same route to scout it out. he didn't plan on it ending here. he said he planned to go to the brooklyn bridge to commit for carnage and that he chose halloween because he thought the most people would be on the
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streets. they've also been looking into his cell phone. they found 90 or so videos. many of them showing isis fighters killing prisoners. disturbing details out of the complaint. we're also hearing more from that hero cop, and here's what he had to say about how it all went down. >> although i feel we were just doing our job like thousands of officers do every day, i understand the importance of yesterday's events and the role we played and i'm grateful for the recognition. >> reporter: and a lot of people grateful for him ending it here where he did before it was even worse. as you can see, hallie, the bike path back open today. people are out trying to go about their lives. also mayor de blasio on his way to a high school where he will be talking to the students and then taking some questions from the press. perhaps we'll learn more from him as well. >> definitely more developments later today. christen, thank you. i want to bring in former fbi
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assistant director from new york bill gavin. i want to talk about new details we've learned. prosecuters are saying now this guy picked halloween to basically do the worst possible damage, he was also thinking about going to the brooklyn bridge and asked if he could fly the isis flag in his hospital. what does that say to you? >> it just shows the state of mind of this individual. he was committed to do what he did to pick out halloween, he's probably telling the truth. most number of people out there and then go on the brooklyn bridge. the pedestrian walkway is there as well. he tried to do as much destruction as he could. he was limited based on the fact that he hit the school bus and injured the poor children and adults in that as well. but thank god that stopped him, and police officers from new york city did his duty and did the way he was trained to do. it showed you how well police are trained in new york city. it's a terrible thing. and wants a flag in his room,
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that pushes the sensibilities of anybody, i believe. >> new york police commissioner james o'neal was out this morning talking with us on the today show about how people just in general can try to stop attacks like these. i want to play it for you, bill. listen. >> it's going to take all the people in new york city to pay attention to what's going on around them. maybe take off your headphones and stop looking at your phone. see what's going on around you. if you see something that doesn't look right or makes you uncomfortable, not just you should call, i think you have an only fact to call. give us the opportunity to investigate. >> is he right? are people, are we not being observant enough about this new reality we're in? >> well, perhaps he is, perhaps no. people walk down the street every day. they walk into lamp posts and cars and pedestrians. they talk into each other. it's terrible the way they're constantly look agent those phones, but it is the way of life. it's the electronic stage.
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what we have to do is maybe pay a little more attention. i can empathize with what he has to say. you really do. stop doing that as frequently as you do and maybe look around. pay attention to what's around you. could it have stop third down particular case? here he is a guy in a truck just driving down the street. maybe after he pulled up on to the bicycle way, but certainly not coming down the street why is he any different than anybody else in a truck in new york? >> i assume you've seen the president's tweets this morning. he's out calling for the death penalty in this case. i want to talk to you about how that complicates matters potentially for the prosecution, for investigators. what was your gut reaction when you saw the tweets from the president here about this? >> it's just not helpful, hallie. stay off the tweet thing. >> why specifically is it not helpful? >> it's not helpful from a prosecuter's stand point. if they're going to challenge his mental capacity, that kind
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of a defense, it's not well -- it doesn't suit the case well for the highest ranking person in the united states to say give him the death penalty. that is going to come into play. he's going to listen to those words again if that's the kind of defense they're going to launch for this individual. it's just not helpful to call him names, to say that he should get the death penalty. just be empathetic toward the people that were hurt, and gather the country together rather than saying something like this. it's not helpful. >> is it a jury issue at all, bill? is it possibly prejudicial to the people who may end up on a jury? is that a concern? >> certainly. if, in fact, a defense counsel presents, this is a mental capacity is kmini diminished, ad even the president of the united states said he should be
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terminated. >> executed. right. >> executed. yeah. >> it's not good. >> bill, i appreciate you joining us on the show. thank you very much. we want to turn back to what's happening on capitol hill with facebook and twitter reps getting a grilling about moscow using their platforms to mess with our election. we'll look into what the social media giants are saying, what representatives are saying. and ads americans may have seen. some of them are not what you might expect.
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morning is talking to house intel committee members deby hind closed doors. staffers are due back in court today for a status hearing, manafort and page. >> also russia related new reporting from the wall street journal. they are considering bringing charges against six members of the russian government. the report comes after a couple of days of grilling on capitol hill for facebook, twitter, and google. they are under fire for not doing more to stop the spread of russia-linked propaganda during the election. let's give you an kpachl. there's this add revealed by democrats shows an image of a hillary clinton with horns pitted in a battle against jesus. followers were asked to like if you want jesus to win. the russian-backed ads went on
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after the election including this one targeting president trump. we cover the business and tech world. with us, our panel. zeke, it's nice to have you in d.c. you've been busy. talk to us about lawmaker's response. they don't seem satisfies. >> they are dissatisfied. they're calling for some of the ceos of the companies to show up and answer more questions>> they sent their lawyers. >> they did. >> and what they did is authorized the release of these ads. what we're seeing is the whole purpose was to sew discord and confusion. here is the thing that's really interesting. last night mark zuckerberg reported third quarter earnings for facebook and ad targeting and the ad sales that make the company so much money, that was up by 50%. what's happening on capitol hill? they're trying to regulate that business model. so you are seeing a very serious tension between the business model and what americans want.
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>> to you, that illustrates sort of this conflict here between facebook making money off of this, congress looking to put regulations. >> and mark zuckerberg said we would never put profit above our community online, but it's really hard to take that with a straight face at this moment. it doesn't seem like they're able to engage with lawmakers in a way that's satisfactory. they're concerned about regulation. >> lawmakers like mark warner has been voek scavocal. >> yes. we have sound we want to play. >> i have more than a little bit of frustration that many of us on this committee have been raising this issue since the beginning of this year. >> i must say i don't think you get it. i think the fact that your general counsels, you defend your company, that what we're talking about is a cataclysmic
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change. >> the political ad was paid for by rubles. isn't that a red flag? >> you've identified two extremely important areas of investment for us, and opportunities for us to do better. >> it is startling to watch this. right? to see the reaction from lawmakers and the reaction of the tech companies. >> if you look at the issues the russians were trying to sew discord on, we're talking about issues we see every day. gun control, immigration, the economy. every single thing that americans really identify with as they're assessing candidates on the campaign trail going into 2018. >>. >> we've had the hearings. joe is reporting lawmakers want the big fish to come back, the zuckerbergs of the world. is more regulation inevitable? >> i think there's the prospect for regulation around ownership of data. facebook was compelled by investigators in the senate
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intelligence committee. i think one of the key questions that they were dissatisfied with was the companies wouldn't even say a foreign influence campaign is a violation of their terms of service. >> that's a big one. they all finally agreed this has russian interference and it's an issue, but that's the sticking point. >> glad to have you here. up next what i'm going to call a special treat on this show. tom brokaw joining us here after his interview with senator john mccain with the senator's candid advice for president trump. that's next. of heart attack or stroke. non-insulin victoza® lowers a1c, and now reduces cardiovascular risk. victoza® lowers my a1c and blood sugar better than the leading branded pill. (avo) and for people with type 2 diabetes treating cardiovascular disease, victoza® is now approved to lower the risk of major cardiovascular events such as heart attack, stroke, or death. and while it isn't for weight loss,
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isolationism, nativism, we have to defeat those who are worst in our divisions. we have to remind our sons and daughters we became the most powerful nation on earth by tearing down walls, not building them. >> that was senator john mccain this week talking 59 years after his graduation. he told the shipmen before him it's time to wake up. like a lot of his recent speeches, he jerejected nationalism and nativism. tom brokaw sat down with him, and we're lucky enough to have tom joining with us from new york. tell us about how this conversation came about. what was behind it? >> well, the preface and
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background is when john mccain was first running for president, he would often introduce his speeches by introducing the greatest generation. we developed a relationship. against president obama, he was not happy about his coverage. we were widely separated for several years until last summer he came to me and said you know, i overstated my concerns about fairness and everything, and the fact is i think you're professional. we need to be friends in a professional way again. and the interview came about because he's at a reflective stage in his life. he has a very serious form of brain cancer. he has very strong feelings about where the country is going in that speech, and it's worth googling. he talks about crack pot theories that we can live as an isolated nation. we cannot. at any rate, the interview
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occurred on the 50th anniversary on the day that he was captured. here's how it goes. >> senator, when you woke up this morning, did you say to yourself, hm, where was i 50 years ago? >> you know, i did. and i thought wow, maybe i zigged when i should have zaged. yeah, i thought about it a lot. but i also thought about the heros that i have known and the benefit of having served in the company of heros. i am the luckiest guy you will ever talk to. >> does that memory ever fade for you? is it there constantly, or can you park it somewhere? >> it doesn't fade, but i have parked it. in life we have to go on, and put it behind us and be grateful. >> do you think we're more divided now an then? >> no. i think we were more divided then, because we were targeted by body bags. it was a period of real uphooefl
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in our history, and all of it with a backdrop of brave young people servinger a sacrificing. >> whenever i go across america, people will say are we going to be okay? >> i hear that as well. we are going through a period of turmoil politically, obviously. we are seeing in many ways the 1930s. the isolationism, the america firsters, and maybe some of the causes are different, but the fact is we are seeing the united states become much more insular and inward. >> if the president called you up and said john, what should i be doing that i'm not right now, what would you say? >> i think i'd say stop tweeting. i think i'd also say there's no reason to attack republicans. we got enough people to talk. >> in the course of your presidential career, especially as a presidential candidate, you had mixed relations with the prez. the president has no use for the press. he has turned the country
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against us. >> i think the role of the press is more important than ever before. i hate the press, but the fact is without a free press in this country, the pillar of democracy is destroyed. >> in the senate and in your private life as well you've had friends on both sides of the aisle. that doesn't happen anymore. is that a key to getting the country back on an even keel? >> the guy that i fought with and worked with almost more than anybody in the united states senate was one edward m kennedy. he and i would yell at each other. we would fight, and we'd walk off and he'd put his arm around me and say hey, we did pretty good. didn't we? that's the kind of relationship you have to have. and so we did a lot of legislation together. >> you love your wife, john? >> oh, yeah. i've loved my life for 60 years now. i've had the great honor of being involved in the arena. i've loved every minute of it.
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the disappointments, wins, losses, ups, downs, but no one has had the wonderful life that i've had, no one. >> when john mccain went back to the naval academy he reminded everybody he graduated fifth in the bottom. they were electrical engineering majors in those days. he was a wild child by his own admission and went out and became a flier. he came from a distinguished naval family, and now at this stage, he's so reflective about where the country needs to be because he's given so much of his life to his country as his father and grandfather did. >> tom, i was struck by how reflective john mccain was. i'm curious your take aways from this. you've seen eras of bipartisan and not, coming back to d.c., talking with tom being back on
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the hill, what was that like? >> well, the fact is i think if you talk to the individual senators, they say we know we've got a find a way to get together. they're better in the senate than the house. in the house if you're a democrat and seen talking to a republican, you catch it from your democratic colleagues. the reverse is true as well. there's less of that in the senate, but still far too much. it was very interesting to see patty murray, for example, twin up with the senator from tennessee on a health care bill that we had not seen that for a long time, and that may be the beginning of something. but i think john mccain feels it's his duty now to keep the pressure on everybody including the white house. >> tom brow ka, it's great to see you and thank you for coming and spending time with us. >> up next, we're talking about this whole situation. you heard about this one. donna brazile saying she found proof that hillary clinton rigged the 2016 primary against
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a republican congress once impeached a president for far less. yet today people in congress and his own administration know that this president is a clear and present danger who's mentally unstable and armed with nuclear weapons. and they do nothing. join us and tell your member of congress that they have a moral responsibility to stop doing what's political and start doing what's right. our country depends on it. let's talk about the story that exploded on to the scene this morning. donna brazile claiming the clinton campaign took control of
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the dnc's operation long before hillary clinton actually became the party's nominee. hm. she cites this joint fundraising agreement between the dnc, the hillary victory fund and hillary for america she says she discovered just one month before election day saying the agreement resolved a majority of the debt and gave the clinton control over strategy and fundraising. she says it was signed in august of 2015. august 2015, four months after clinton announced herred a si and a year before she accepted the nomination. don donna brazile writes if the fight had been fair, one campaign would not have control of the party before the voters had decided which one they wanted to lead. this was not a criminal act but it compromised the party's integri integrity. mark, this is some hot stuff here from donna brazile. bring us back into the context of it. how she became the dnc chair, why you think it was compelled
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to look for the information in the first place. >> she ended up becoming the dnc chair because the other stepped down after those leaked wikileaks e-mails about the dnc came into existence. on the surface this seems to be an explosive story, but it's a little bit not telling the whole story. while hillary clinton signed a joint fundraising agreement to raise in kpez money for the state and the party, bernie sanders also signed a similar joint fundraising agreement in november of 2015. he and his campaign didn't take advantage of it the way the clintons did investigate that's one component. the other component is as soon as a campaign ends up becoming the nomination well before the conv convention, the campaign runs the party. this was true for donald trump as soon as he became the nominee. the fundraising and staffing, you control the party. i think some of the charges
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donna brazile makes, certainly knows the dnc well, i think is a little hyped up given we all know as soon as hillary clinton after the california primaries, bernie sanders wasn't going to be the nominee that all of a sudden the dnc starts operating like an extension of the clinton campaign arm. that's like there's gambling going on in cause blanca, and you know it's occurring. >> what's striking in this is back in 2015 the democratic national convention was a shell of its former self. debbie wauserman schultz was a fundraiser. the president wasn't involved at that point. had they not signed that agreement, that would have been the death nail. they needed the money. bernie at the time wasn't a democrat. he was still an independent. all of this, i think, there's a lot of revisionists here.
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if you put it in context, yes, hillary clinton was the favorite. that's reflective of that point. >> and she won by a 12% with bernie's $13 million rough lee. i don't think this helps the democratic party for this to be reopening the wounds that they're trying to put behind them. and certainly i do think they're not learning a lot of new details. sanders did ink his own agreement with the dnc. we might know some particulars. i think this is also someone who wants to sell some books. so there is some degree of promotion that is happening here. and it is being seized upon by the press. >> mark murray, thank you. sabrina, thank you. we'll be right back after this break.
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they're dying in gas stations, bathrooms, at the wheel of the car, while driving with their children in the car seat behind them, and alone in secret places that they hide from the world. i would find my daughter courtney curled in a ball on her closet floor hiding from the world. i pray your children will be spared from this plague and you never know what it's like to be me. >> that was doug griffin. a new hampshire dad who lost his 20-year-old daughter to an overdose in 2014. he was talking there with the president's commission on the opioid crisis.
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during that meeting exactly one week after the president declared the opioid epidemic a public health emergency, they released their final report. that includes 56 new recommendations to fight this thing. these recommendations range for more drug courts for states to access federal funding. but these are recommendations. there's no guarantee they're going to materialize. i'm joined now by a member of that bipartisan commission, north carolina governor ward cooper. thanks for being here. i want to start with today's headline from the raleigh paper, paper you know well. which says commission okays 56 ways to curb opioid crisis. cooper asks who will follow through. that's what i want to get at with you here. congress has to give a lot of money. the doj has to do a lot of cooperation here. how confident are you that that's going to happen? >> well, we know this is a crisis. those stories yesterday were powerful and they're happening all over america. 142 people a day dying of
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overdose. more than in car accidents. four of them are in north carolina. so we have to pull together and to get this done. yes, i'm concerned about follow through. because it's going to involve investment. we got the evidence. we got the scientific data that shows us what we need to do to pull ourselves out of this crisis. a lot of that has to do with making sure that people have health care coverage, making sure that people have treatment because there's evidence-based treatment that works. and destigmatizing substance use disorder is critical. because we need to begin treating substance use disorder like we do heart problems, cancer, physical ailments. and i think pulling together with this report and pushing it out like this is going to be important. and i ask for the president and congress and for the governors
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all over this country to work now on follow through. this is an epidemic that is a crisis. >> right. but you talk about being concerned about that follow through. what are you going to do? what can you do to make sure that that actually happens? that this isn't just more talk from d.c.? >> well, first we need to put all of the pressure we can on congress to make sure they expand health care coverage. >> what does that pressure look like? what does that mean you're going to do? >> well, i'm going to call my individual members of congress. i'm working on my state legislature right now telling them, hey, you haven't even taken the federal medicaid expansion when i tried to do it you sued me. now you have friends and neighbors who are dying from this epidemic. it is time to step up and make sure the people get the treatment that they need and that the investments are made. personalizing this, hearing the stories that we heard yesterday of people dying on the streets.
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and this spans the spectrum of rich and poor, of white and black. >> right. every demographic. yeah. >> you know, down the road, this is an epidemic that has to happen. that has to be stopped. >> unless the president says otherwise and i apologize for interrupting you there. the commission will dissolve in 30 days. is there any indication the white house wants to actually keep the commission intact? wants you to keep meeting? >> we made the recommendations. >> so that's it? >> i think the follow through now is what is critical. governor christie telling me yesterday that he believes that the president will follow through on these recommendations. and we have to insist on that. and i believe that this is one of those bipartisan issues where we could get significant movement out of washington. can't agree on hardly anything else. this is something they should be
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able to agree on. they can reduce some regulations that could help states provide more treatment to people here and we know that we've got to do this because law enforcement will tell you right now we cannot arrest our way out of this problem. we can't. >> governor cooper, thank you for joining us on this program. we appreciate it. i also want to thank sabrina and zeke for being here. we want to turn to today's big picture. we're heading to mexico for a look at a different kind of presidential candidate. look at this woman here. the woman in the center, that's maria dejesus, the first indigenous woman to run for president in mexico. she's got nothing. she was pretty much unknown until recently. but she's getting major grassroots support as she tries to get enough signatures to get on the ballot. it's an interesting story down there. the photographer here for the ap. would love to hear your thoughts
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