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doors being questioned by the house intel committee. buts it's what he refused to answer that's raising questions tonight. plus news nbc new reporting about russia and what flynn reportedly communicated 11 minutes into the trump presidency. plus news nbc new reporting about russia and what flynn reportedly communicated 11 minutes into the trump presidency. and al franken senate committee career may be coming to an end moments from now after he lost the support of his own party's leadership. "the 11th hour" on a wednesday night begins now. another busy evening, and good evening once again from our nbc news headquarters here in new york. day 321 of the trump administration brings a stunning allegation against former national security advisor michael flynn, who you'll remember just days ago pleaded guilty to lying to the fbi about contacting russia's ambassador back during the transition.
well, nbc news reports that according to an unnamed whistle-blower mike flynn sent a text to a former business associate 11 minutes after donald trump was sworn in as president. saying, russian sanctions would be quote, ripped up once trump was inside the white house. and that a u.s./russia business plan to build in the northeast was good to go. while the president was delivering his inaugural address, and the timing of the text means by our calculations it was during this portion of the president's speech. >> i will fight for you with every breath in my body, and i will never, ever let you down. america will start winning again. winning like never before.
>> the speech where the president later contended it did not rain, the speech known forever as the american carnage address. the whistle-blower gave that account to the house oversight committee in june. while today maryland democratic congressman elijah comings laid out the allegations against flynn in a letter. to the committee's republican chair, trey gowdy. comings had delayed releasing this information until today notably at the request of robert mueller. cummings had asked that mueller subpoena flynn, the business associate, the white house and others involved in that alleged plan. and there are more developments in that russia investigation. today donald trump, jr. questioned behind closed doors and under oath by the house intelligence committee for about eight hours.
this is him leaving the trump hotel this morning. this is the second go around for him on the hill. latest round of questioning seemed to focus on what he told his father about how that now famous june 2016 trump tower meeting came to be. a source with knowledge of donald trump, jr.'s testimony of the house intel committee tells us at nbc news trump junior said it was 29-year-old white house communications director hope hicks who he spoke with on the day that 2016 meeting became public and that she acted as an intermediary to relate comments to the boss, the president. this source says the younger trump did speak by phone the next day with his father as well as attorneys. the committee's ranking member, the top member adam schiff of california was less than pleased with the answers he gave the panel. >> there was one significant area he declined to answer. he acknowledged having discussed the june 9th meeting and e-mails that went into establishing that meeting. after those e-mails became public, he acknowledged discussing that matter with his father but refused to answer questions about that discussion on the basis of a claim of
attorney/client privilege. in my view there's no attorney/client privilege that protects a discussion between father and son. as i understand it this particular conversation for which they are claiming privilege took place after the e-mails became public. >> also two new polls from cbs news tonight gives us a sense of the public's thinking on all of this. the russia investigation. 67% say michael flynn pfts guilty plea is a serious matter for the trump administration. also 67% say it's likely trump advisers had improper dealings with russia. with all that, let's bring in the members of our lead off panel tonight. philip rucker, white house bureau chief for "the washington post" and political analyst. anita kumar, white house correspondent, and john heilemann. political journalist and msnbc
affairs analyst. john, home team advantage. you go first. you're here with us in new york. what am i missing about donald trump, jr. claiming attorney/client privilege, which would work if you and i were each other's lawyers. we would have a private conversation that no one else could get at. how does it work the way he's applying it? can you help me? >> well, he seems to be claiming because his attorney was in the room at the same time that he had the conversation with his father, that that conversation is therefore privileged. that as you know even though i'm fairly certain you're not a lawyer and neither am i -- >> i am not. >> we have spent enough time with lawyers to know our conversations in front of lawyers are not privilege. some of my best friends are lawyers. and you don't get the privilege by transitive property. that's now how it works in the can you feel. -- court of law. i think a long time friend of mine who worked in the clinton justice department tweeted out
to him that it seemed to him what was going on was every time donald trump, jr. opens his mouth he gets himself into legal jeopardy. so his lawyers seemed to throw up their hands and say just claim privilege. we'll figure it out later. that is about the only logical sense you could make of what he did, the claim he made tonight. >> mr. rucker, as they say that sound you heard was a bus going over a 29-year-old white house communications director. how did the role of hope hicks as intermediary in this critical story, do you think, come about? >> well, she was on the plane, air force one with president trump. they were coming home this past summer from the g-20 summit in germany where hope hicks was among a number of advisers helping the president help his son craft a statement to complain this meeting at trump tower. that statement turned out to be misleading at best. you might call it false.
and it was the president based on reporting we did at "the washington post" earlier this year that actually dictated the substance of that statement. hope hicks served as an intermediary to help put that statement together. and as we know today from donald trump, jr.'s testimony, she was the person speaking on the phone with donald trump, jr. >> we have told her story on this broadcast. >> she started life professionally at a model. came into the trump orbit where merchandise was concerned. was one of the first hires and was with donald trump, correct me if i'm wrong, from the very first campaign. as we surmised she may also have some legal exposure now. >> that's right. she's one of the most important and powerful figures in the trump orbit and in the white house despite her age and inexperience in washington and politics, she has the
president's ear. he asks her advice on any number of issues from policy issues to political issues to dealing with family matters such as the statement that donald trump, jr. would put out. she's been in the room for a lot of conversations that i think robert mueller would like to hear her version of events on. and that's one of the reasons he's asked reportedly for her to come talk to him as part of this investigation. she's hired her own lawyer. she's one of many trump advisers and staffers who's had to go out and hire his or her counsel to deal with these questions and inquiries. >> anita, reality check from you tonight, on fox news i heard congressman mark meadows, republican from north carolina, talk about the need for a special counsel to investigate the special counsel. this is out there trying to diminish and attack the mueller effort. whether it's the cost of it, the
intent of it, the scope of it, is it going to leave a mark? does it have traction, do you think? >> yeah, definitely the republicans or many republicans are definitely pushing back. i don't know how much traction it has. obviously they're in charge. they have the majority, so they can do a lot of things. what you didn't mention earlier is that the republican or the republican whose -- congressman conway who's running the house inquiry could have pushed back on donald trump, jr. today and said you need to answer that question. but what we heard afterwards was him saying that actually i think donald trump, jr. has answered all our question wheres, and we're fine with how he's answered them. so the republicans particularly in this case today did not push back but they could have. >> john, our inaugurations are supposed to be solemn occasions. despite it just looking gross someone was on their phone 11 or 12 minutes into a new presidency, talk about this allegation about the former general turned future white house national security advisor? >> well, it's really an
incredible story, the notion that flynn was texting with a business or former business associate saying he was going -- this is it. this is the moment where we're going to rip up the russian sanctions, and it's going to create a geyser of profits for me and my buddies who are going to now become very, very wealthy. it in some ways reinforces a couple of broad things we know about michael flynn. what we now know about michael flynn is that he is so crooked that he needs to screw his pants on in the morning. there's enough evidence now of this guy in addition to what he'd pled guilty to of just the number of scams, money making ventures, corrupt endeavors that he is now tied to, that you look at this guy and think he is generally one of the seediest people to ever been placed in an administration position in our lifetimes. we also know that this is now made very clear. it's like the last piece of a puzzle in some ways.
probably not the last, but one of the cementing piece that sanctions were at the center of whatever this story is between this administration and russia. sanctions were the core of it. sanctions were what the russians were after. in the quid pro quo, the sanctions were the quid, the quid it seems was russia interfering to help donald trump. the only question we have now is was there a pro between the quid and the pro. >> phil, help me, i didn't take a lick of latin -- >> or legal or law. >> or law. so i'm in the clear perhaps, one way of looking at it. this one story about flynn, think about it. it's become public. it's a subject for our conversation tonight. by how much is this a tiny element of a larger investigation? what does this -- tell us what
does it reaffirm to you about the percentage of the mueller's teams activities that we have been lucky enough to find out about? >> well, i think this story is actually quite central to the mueller probe. and the reason is this whistle-blower first went to the house committee. we know this from elijah cummings' letter today. and the mueller team actually asked them to hold off, to keep this information from becoming public until they reached a later stage in their investigation. this is the special counsel's investigation. so clearly they thought this information was important, did not want it to be disclosed publicly, and basically wanted to get a guilty plea out of flynn first before this hit the presses and we knew about it. it's important in that regard and also important as john was saying because it makes it so much more clearer that sanctions was at the heart of this.
and there was a plan by the former national security advisor to lift those sanctions. flynn based on that text message seems convinced that he was going to be able to lift the sanctions almost immediately as a top priority for president trump when he took office. >> anita, you spent a lot of time bouncing around the hallways of the west wing as much as they allow you to leave the press briefing room. you couldn't blame west-wingers for wondering right about now that they're not in control of their own destiny. this has been another week of fast moving, kind of being buffeted by events. >> right. definitely. i mean this is pretty much every week, isn't it, since january 20th, that there have been other events out there. you saw president trump is really trying hard this week to sell the tax bill. it's obviously passed, and he wants them to come up with a compromise in conference. so that is what he has been doing and he wants to work on and focus on.
i'm going to predict tomorrow at the white house when they have a briefing sarah sanders is going to say this was all michael flynn and he's acting by himself. that's pretty much what they've been saying about everything so far, that they didn't know anything about it and he was acting alone. and you know she has been saying that or referred questions to the attorneys. >> we've reserved the uncomfortable moment of the day for my friend john. we wanted to catch up with something that happened on live today. during the israel announcement it promptly set the internet on fire as the president slurred some of his words in a way that some folks found disconcerting. >> let us rethink all assumptions and open our hearts and minds to possible and possibilities. and finally i ask the leaders of the region political and religious, israeli and palestinian, jewish and christian and muslim to join us in the noble quest for lasting peace.
thank you. god bless you. god bless israel. god bless the palestinians, and god bless the united states. thank you very much. >> it was disconcerting. the white house is saying only the president's throat was dry. and the last time this was an issue is what you're seeing now. day after he returned from that asia trip he was plainly dehydrated, famously stopped mid-speech to find some water. so, john, what do you make of this event here. we are in the middle of a television age, television president and it was odd to watch. >> even less than a lawyer, i'm not an md chlt i would say i was watching it live and i stopped the dvr and replayed it because i thought that could not -- it was jarring at the end because he did not start the speech that way. so if you want to look to the
innocent explanation that he just had a bad case of cotton mouth, his speech got thicker and more gummy as he went through. so maybe he was just -- had a really bad case of dry mouth and started to get the kind of build up in his mouth and it was a problem. i actually thought for a moment he might have lost a crown or something, it was a dental problem. whatever it was a real thing buzz ten minutes when the speech was over, he wasn't talking like that when it got to end, and he said god bless the united states, it was something that people noticed and they were not hearing things. >> yes, we want to make note of it, because it will not be forgotten. to our lead-off guests this evening, to philip rucker, anita kumar, john heileman, thank you.
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enough is enough. i mean this is conversation we've been having a very long time, and it's a conversation that this country needs to have. and i think when we start having to talk about the differences between sexual assault and sexual harassment and unwanted groping, you are having the wrong conversation. you need to draw a line in the sand and say none of it is okay. none of it is acceptable, and we as elected leaders should be held to a higher standard not a lower standard. and we should fundamentally value women. and that is where this conversation has to go. >> that was kirsten gillibrand
today, a democrat from new york, leading the charge among democrats calling for al franken's resignation. 47 democrats have called for al franken to resign tonight. chuck schumer just tonight said it's time for al franken to go. franken currently stands accused of sexual misconduct by at least seven women. the latest allegation, though, came this morning in politico. quote, a former democratic congressional aide said al franken forcibly tried to kiss her after a taping in 2006. three years before he became a u.s. senator. she said franken told her, quote, it's my right as an entertainer. now, senator franken has said he was embarrassed and ashamed
about behavior in the past, but he notably denies this latest accusation. in a statement he said, quote, this allegation is categorically not true. and the idea that i would claim this as my right as an entertainer is preposterous. i look forward to fully cooperating with the ongoing ethics committee investigation. now amid widespread reporting that he will in fact resign tomorrow, his office put this out on twitter late today. and we quote, senator franken is talking to his family at this time and plans to make an announcement in d.c. tomorrow. any reports of a final decision are inaccurate. here with us to talk about it tonight our national political correspondent steve kornacki, and shannon pettypiece, white house reporter for bloomberg. steve, during what i know you will agree is a tidal wave, a social movement we are seeing and it will bring about change. the democrats appear to be
moving to keep or gain the moral high ground. >> yeah, they are trying to create i think here a standard, and a very dramatic standard, i think. because if you look at it and play this out forward this is probably not the last allegation going to emerge in the political realm given how this has been going for the last three weeks. and if this becomes a standard, for the democratic party, if somebody like al franken, who has a huge grass roots following. his book sells like crazy, he's a big name, he was talked about as a 2020 white house prospect, if he can't survive with this scandal, then anybody in the future at this standard or above, democrats are going to move them out, too. and i think democrats are creating a contrast here to say republicans are look the other way in alabama. we've got al franken, we're moving against him. we're moving against anybody who falls in this bad behavior or anywhere else, i think. it could take time, but that could become a clear standard in differentiating parties.
>> and shannon, as you know there are two conversations going on tonight, everyone says about the moore race, it's up to the voters in a.m. well, voters in michigan weren't consulted on conyers. voters in minnesota weren't consulted on franken. second is false equivalence. people are taking great pains to point out what al franken is accused of is hardly what a dozen or so women have accused the sitting president of the united states of doing, say nothing of roy moore. >> yeah, the fact that we're having an argument about which form of inappropriate behavior or assault is worse, and i mean i -- kirsten gillibrand was trying to draw that distinction. but i think it's going to be a conversation that continues going on because, you know, as steve was saying this isn't the last, you know, accusation we're going to hear of a member of congress. you know, where is the line? is it the things that were done before? is it inappropriate touching?
is it assault? is it only things that happened when you were a member of congress? because there is a sense around washington, i have heard from people if you start opening up the book to go back 20, 30 years on people there'll be no one left. and i know that's an exaggeration, but there is that feeling, too. but then again that doesn't make it okay and then of course there shouldn't be anyone left. so that is the type of debate that is going on in washington right now. i also wouldn't be surprised if the standard shifts over time. and with al franken i think it's easy because they're not necessarily going to lose somebody in the "d" column. the democratic governor who will appoint a democrat to the seat. with roy moore, it's difficult because you could lose an "r." and unfortunately so much of this comes down to which team you're on. >> and steve, as shannon just reminded us, we're duty bound to
talk about the mechanics of tomorrow al franken resigns. how does it work in minnesota? >> so if the governor of minnesota would make the appointment and that appointee would serve until a special election. that would be held next november, november 2018 and then the remainder of franken's terms would go two years beyond that. you have a special election next november for two years. the reporting that's out tonight including from the star tribune in minneapolis would leave a wide open seat. the lieutenant governor who would hold a seat and agree not to run in the special election. any republican who wants to run, no advantage for an incumbent. he'd have an open election and a caretaker basically until 2018. and that makes democrats a little bit nervous. because usually the idea is you appoint someone, they kind of become the incumbent. they get the advantage of being
an incumbent. if these reports are correct, that's not the route they're going here. >> i wonder how they'd think of such an earnest solution here on the part of minnesota democrats. shannon, i am reminded we have the time magazine cover every year, the issue that gets attention. way out of whack with the number of people who read it, buy it, subscribe to it, but there you have the silence breakers. >> and of course this was the time magazine that president trump said in a tweet he was considered for that. he turned it down because he didn't like the conditions. and i guess now we know who the person of the year is. and i really a story i don't think many people could have predicted going into this year especially considering how the election went and there were these allegations of sexual misconduct. you know, there was the "access hollywood" tape. it seemed the voters said, you know, that wasn't enough to sway them. you know, a president-elected with all that baggage underneath
and really see this ground swell movement come about really in the past two months it's kind of surprising and not something i don't think a lot of journalists expected to see this year. >> sure seems this is what a cultural shift feels like. thank you, great conversation here tonight. and coming up, upending policy, unsettling allies. the president as promised makes a big shift to u.s. policy on israel. when we continue.
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we cannot solve our problems by making the same failed assumptions and repeating the same failed strategies of the past. some say they lacked courage, but they made their best judgment. i have determined that it is time to officially recognize jerusalem as the capital of israel. while previous presidents have made this a major campaign promise, they failed to deliver. today i am delivering. >> donald trump took a sharp turn today from decades of american foreign policy by doing just that, naming jerusalem as the capital of israel and announcing plans to move the embassy out of tel aviv. his speech drew criticism from corners of the world not usually in agreement including the vatican, kremlin, turkey,
jordan, more who believe the move will lead to unrest in the region. trump even rejected warnings from some of our best friends on this planet. britain, france, germany. the german foreign minister said following trump's actions, germany can no longer simply react to u.s. foreign policy, but establish its own position. here with us for more tonight former white house senior director and former state department senior advisor, and steve clemons who have devoted so much time to study of this region. as a veteran foreign affairs journalist and analyst. editor at large at atlantic. msnbc contributor as well. was this the case of the president's base and pro-israeli forces in his world versus the rest of the world? >> this is case of donald trump actually uniting a consensus
including foreign countries, his own cabinet and several people in the united states against himself. and this is unusual to see this kind of coalition coming together. the only people who are satisfied with this move happening right now are people who want to see him hold true to his campaign promises. this is actually an act that has been advocated by several people by bipartisan recognition of israel as capital of israel. jerusalem as the capital of israel. but in exchange for something as part of a negotiated peace settlement. the idea of going through all of this without doing all the hard work in between, only puts the united states as the back word. we have no credibility left as a neutral negotiator in any situation. >> steve, others who have grown to love that world and care
about it. the fear is an intifada could come of this. do you share that fear? >> i do. you know this terrain well. and what donald trump talked about tonight is chaos in the middle east, uncertainty about israel's long-term frankly and its diminishment in the united states and its leverage in the world. and i think those reacting and feel so frustrated -- we've been trying to get young middle eastern men to turn away from violence, to trust us, to look at the united states as solvent neutral partner that would eventually bring a different outcome to this region. and the reason they turn to violence is utter frustration and despondency about this situation. and i think that's what donald trump has delivered regrettably today. >> where do you put this peace process for people who don't follow this stuff and heard the president talk about a two-state solution today. where in the process are we? >> unfortunately we jumped entirely to the end.
which right now is partitioned between israeli control and palestinian control. by declaring jerusalem the capital of israel there is no reason for israel to negotiate on any of the illegal, pull back or put forth any effort to truly integrate and live in harmony with the palestinians. israel is probably more insecure. after this announcement because you have the dictator asisi in egypt, long-standing allies. jordan as well. 70% of their population is palestinians who are now upset about this. so this puts chaos in the middle east and the u.s. directly at the center of it. >> and steve isn't the irony today the document the president went on to sign after his remarks, too much fan fare, was in fact one of those waivers kicking the can down the road,
another six months on moving the embassy. a good many people don't think we'll ever see the embassy actually move. do you think today was for keeps? >> you know, it's very hard to say, brian. i think that with the waiver, you know, there's time bought with the logistic side of setting up a new embassy. it may take years and maybe it never happens if someone is elected after donald trump and they pull the plug on this. but the damage has been done because so many in the middle east have accused the united states in the past of not being a fair and neutral arbiter, that they've seen us putting our thumb on one side of the equation in the israeli-palestinian standoff. and we've always argued that's not the case. well, now we're never going to be -- she is absolutely right, we're not going to be able to take that back. it's a very hard knot to figure out how you re-establish trust with the other side.
and look you know the weirdest thing about this, donald trump has been celebrating his relationship with the saudis. i just read the saudi statement. it is long, it is detailed and it is frustrated with donald trump. >> another one of those segments we could easily fill the hour with especially with two first rate guests. thank you for coming on and making our conversation better for it. coming up it will be another first for the trump era if the party in charge for the white house, house and senate also agrees to shutdown the government. back with that after this.
are we going to have a shutdown, mr. president? >> it could happen. the democrats are really looking at something that is very dangerous to our country. they are look at shutting down. they want to have illegal immigrants in many cases people that we don't want in our country. >> that was part of president
trump's response asked by the associated press correspondent ken thomas who joins us in just a moment. congress has until friday to pass a spending bill and avoid a government shutdown. pelosi and schumer are again scheduled to meet with trump at the white house. that's tomorrow, less than a week after they canceled the last similar meeting. with us tonight the aforementioned ken thomas, and michael steele, former chairman of the republican national committee and an msnbc political analyst. ken, you're our guy on this topic. to listen to the president, it's going to be a street fair of undocumented immigrants and criminals across america if the democrats get their way, from this president. surely sensing the president loves either a fight or a shiny object or both, nancy pelosi tweeted it's just donald trump who is talking about a shutdown.
tell us the chance of a shutdown of the government. >> it's probably not likely. that comment the president made may have been more of a negotiating tactic. the first is that you have this tax bill in conference, and the republicans very much want to get it to the president's desk by christmastime. the second thing is it's just not a good look for republicans. if there is a shutdown they would basically end the year controlling congress and the white house and having a shutdown on their watch, they would likely get blamed. >> so mr. chairman, it may likely be wishful thinking on the part of the president to say this is all democrats and their criminal plans. but folks watching tonight know which party controls just for the sake of repetition, white house, house, senate. >> yeah, they do. and the reality for the president is that congress wants to go home for christmas, they want to give him a tax bill before they do. they don't want to shutdown congress and they're not going
to. this is trump being trump, sort of doing his little negotiating dance before nancy and chuck show up tomorrow. and i would not be surprised if he tweets out something a little bit ugly about their arrival. maybe not as ugly as last time, but cleary posturing for this up coming meeting. >> and ken, that leads to a further question, the democrats have pushed this once, they stayed home. they heard the president say the meeting was kind of a foregone conclusion. how far will they push this tomorrow? >> they're going to talk about an interest in getting some funding for the children's health insurance program, opioid help, that kind of thing. it seems like -- they're going to push for daca relief as well, but in all likelihood that's going to happen later in the month or sometime next year. >> so, michael do you picture any republicans going home to
their districts and running on the fact they kept their government opening and functioning? >> probably. that and the tax bill are probably the only good highlights here. yes, we avoided a shutdown and we gave you a tax cut. that about sums it up. and that's part of the problem the party's going to have going into next year, brian. the substance of what they're putting on the table matters to a lot of trump supporters out there. and if this tax thing goes a little astray or the government shuts down, all of that hurts the narrative. >> and just to put a finer point on it, michael, what has not been acted on this year, the promises that were made especially to the trump base. >> absolutely. you noticed the last couple of times the president has done those gaggles. oh, yeah, the wall. we're still going to do the wall. his folks are still listening and paying attention. the bright shining objects of alabama and all that other stuff
aside, he's going to have to deliver something and it starts this week. >> two great guests. ken thomas, michael steele, gentlemen, thank you so much for coming on with us tonight. and coming up what the legacy of the past two presidents can teach us. the author of the new book on bushes 41 and 43 will be with us when we continue.
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in chief. you had five sons, not one served in iraq and afghanistan. where were the mitt romneys during that. >> steve bannon ripping into mitt romneys. perhaps for getting that president trump received several draft notices. and straying from the principles, including isolationism, protectionism and nativism. with us tonight, the author of "the last republicans." the extraordinary relationship between h.w. bush and george w. bush. mark, we certainly have been looking forward to having you on. when did you decide on this title and what it is you think
we are winning right now today. >> well, certainly a different type of republicanism. brian, and that was obvious during the election cycle of 2016. it occurred to me during the spring of 2016 that this would be a very different race, and whether hillary clinton won the election or donald trump, the kind of republican that was behind us. when george w. bush reportedly said to a group of aides that i may well be the last republican president and then repeated that to me that became the obvious title. >> how many smart people do you know who don't necessarily think this is a bad thing? this sea change going on for the gop? >> well, it's very clear, brian, that the republican party is in a battle for its soul. it's at war within itself. and as abraham lincoln said, a house divided against itself cannot stand.
so we'll see what happens here. there seems to be a dearth of compassion in the republican party, which were part of the platforms for both bush 41 and bush 43. bush 41 campaigned for a kinder, gentler nation, and bush 43 campaigned for a platform of passionate conservatism. that platform is missing in the rather than party today. >> i am continually amazed how much the bushes revealed to you and let you in as i was when john meacham wrote his book on 41. you had more in the latter half of your book, someone saying that trump's airplane has just landed. asks if he wants to go out and say hi, and further covers his face with a newspaper in case
trump walks through the terminal. this is not stuff you usually get from the message-driven politics today. >> that is right, bush 41 was sitting in a terminal at logan airport waiting for his aircraft. and he was told by his chief of staff that trump had landed, and would the president like to say hello to donald trump, and he put down his newspaper and said god no, he said is he coming this way. the chief staffer said i don't know, and just in case he lifted his newspaper to make sure he did not see donald trump or donald trump did not see him as he passed. >> you and i first met in your old job as library director for the presidential library of lyndon johnson, how often do you reflect on that, on the
traditions that are not shared by this current president. >> well, you know, the one thing, lbj was a character without question and he had major out-sized flaws. but the one thing he lived by as a politician and certainly in the presidency, his favorite passage, from the book of isaiah, come, let us reason together. and i don't think you see a lot of reasoning from this president. >> thank you so much, for the book, called the last republicans. coming up, the winds are getting worse, the fires are only growing for california which is now in a state of emergency for tonight. ro with oral-b. oral-b's rounded brush head surrounds each tooth to gently remove more plaque. and unlike sonicare, oral-b is the only electric toothbrush
california. here is how our nbc station, knbc, started its 5 p.m. news cast this evening. >> we continue our coverage of the southern california fire. in fact, we have been in the air and on air to keep your family updated for all of this. >> four major fires burning in our area, the thomas fire, the creek fire, the rye. >> that is what it is like to live there and watch tv. and of all the images we've seen today, the view here on the 405 freeway, and broadcast the most today. it seems to tell the story of life struggling to go on in a huge teeming metropolitan area that is operating under crisis. the largest of these four fires has burned 90,000 acres. now quickly on another front
tonight. this will get a lot of people talking, our ambassador, nikki haley, made news tonight when she said right now it's an open question on whether or not the u.s. athletes will attend the games in pyongyang, south korea, which is just 50 miles from the border with north korea. and finally, in a few moments, it will be december 7th. tonight, this photo was captioned, quote, today 1941 in honolulu, jack miller, john suerta, clifford olds of uss west virginia. olds will die next day at pearl harbor. consider what tomorrow is all about. and that is our broadcast, thank you for joining us, good night from our msnbc headquarters in new york.
tonight on "all in". >> the president's son heads back to >> then democrats break the glass on impeachment. >> donald trump by causing such harm to society warrants impeachment, trial, and removal from office. plus -- >> today, i am delivering. >> the middle east backlash to the president's decision on jerusalem. and as democrats call for al franken to step down, the growing divide on what each party will abide. >> this whole thing was a set-up. >> when all in starts right now. good evening from new york, i'm chris hayes. tonight a better picture of the one major theme connecting so many of the meeting between trump associates and russian nationalists. the strict u.s. sanctions regime against russia. that's what the russian lawyer who met with donald trump jr.