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he just does not quit. >> you can watch it sunday night at 9:00 p.m. that's tonight's last word. coming up, how much influence does zrufrp have over alabama voters who don't want to vote for roy moore? the 11th hour with brian williams takes that on next. tonight hope hicks one of the president's closest and longest serving advisers questioned in the mueller investigation. also why the fbi reportedly went to the white house to warn her about russia. plus donald trump campaigns in alabama without going to alabama, stopping just across the border telling voters why they should send roy moore to the u.s. senate. and about that campaign, new scrutiny over some old comments by moore about when america was last great and why his answer invoked slavery. all of it ahead as "the 11th hour" gets under way on a friday night. good evening once again from our
nbc news headquarters here in new york. day 323 of the trump administration and it brings robert mueller's investigation into president trump's very most inner circle the. "new york times" reporting tonight white house communications director hope hicks was interviewed over the past two days by team mueller. hope hicks has a unique role in this administration, a connecticut native, 29 years old. she's a former ralph lauren model who then worked for ivanka trump's product line on the web before joining the trump campaign in its formative days. she has been at donald trump's side ever since. she has seen and heard a lot that includes private conversations, many of which are mueller's team is looking into. "the new york times" is also reporting the nfbi warned hicks that russian operatives had repeatedly tried to contact her. the report doesn't point to any
wrongdoing on hicks part, importantly, but says, quote, the russian outreach effort shows that even after american intelligence agencies publicly accused moscow of trying to influence the outcome of last year's presidential election, russian operatives were undaunted in their efforts to establish contacts with mr. trump's advisers. and this is important. new court filings made public just today show the scope of the mueller investigation and in plain english it's enormous. this gives us an idea of the mountains of evidence that mueller has gathered only thus far in the criminal case against former trump campaign manager paul manafort. mueller's team has collected over 400,000 documents, including e-mails and bank statements. they have the information off of 36 electronic devices like cell phones, lap tops, and they are disclosing 15 search warrants that we know of.
also today the fiancee of the campaign adviser that trump's people have painted as a low-level coffee boy, she spoke publicly for the first time, george papa do lous who pleaded guilty to lying to the fbi about contacts he had with the russians, he's now cooperating, as you may know, with the mueller investigation. so his fiancee told george stephanopoulos on good morning america today that he will be just the first domino to fall in the russia investigation. >> constantly in touch you say with members of the campaign. was he in touch with the chief strategist steve bannon. >> as far as i know, yes. bannon, michael flynn. >> so you're saying had he communications with top levels the campaign? >> yes. >> everything he is doing is with the knowledge of those officials. >> as far as i know, absolutely, yes. never took anishtive without the blessing of the campaign. >> but the president from which you know, will the president be happy with the story george
tells? >> i -- i don't -- i don't know. i think they try to dismiss george as a coffee boy so i'm sure not to be happy to read that. there are consistent evidence that he was not a coffee boy. >> interesting stuff. let's turn to our leadoff panel for a friday night. former chief of staff at cia and pentagon, former counsel for house ingel. ken dilanian, nbc news intelligence and national security reporter, and philip rucker, white house bureau chief for the washington post and msnbc political analyst. jeremy bash, what would mueller's team have to talk with hope hicks about over two days? i hasten to add borrowing the title of clark clifford's tone, he swhas preptd at the creation. >> she knows almost tlefrg is to
know about where the president has been, who he's talked to, conversations he's had. three things, brian, struck me about that "new york times" story tonight about the fbi having warned hope hicks early on in the administration. first it shows the russians are working every single angle to ensure they got a full return on their investment in the trump campaign. second, it shows the fbi actually doing their job well. that's when the president really recents, it shows why he says the fbi's in tatters. it's because the fbi is warning people inside our government about russian efforts to penetrate the trump inner circle. and third i think it's clear that she told her boss that the fbi warned her when she got these warnings in early february and march and that shows that when the president fired jim comey in may, he knew that the fbi was on to russian efforts to penetrate the trump inner sick. >> interesting angle there. ken dilanian, remind our viewers how it is that donald trump jr. reportedly in hill testimony this week invoked the name of
hope hicks. >> well, as a matter of fact, brian, when he was asked about that misleading statement that his father crafted about the june 2016 trump tower meet, he said he first talked about this matter with hope hicks. not with his father. and then when the questioning turned to later conversations with his father about why the statement said the meeting was about russian adoption when's in fact it wasn't, he actually cited certain/client privilege much to the frustration of democrats who don't think that the privilege applied. there happened to be a lawyer in the conversation doesn't mean necessarily that attorney/slient privilege applied. so he didn't answer any questions about his exchanges with his father about that misleading statement. and it's increasingly looking, brian, like the most important part of the trump tower meeting has to do with why president trump misled the public about it rather than what actually happened at the meeting. >> phil, fill in any blanks that i've left out of my biographic
cal profile of this hugely important 29-year-old. you've been around the whole time, she's been around an important role, and what makes her so important here? >> well, a couple things. she's much more than just a spokesperson, she's a real confidant and adviser to trump as a candidate and now as a president. she's around him all the time. donald trump doesn't do e-mail himself, but one of the ways people communicate to him is by going through hope hicks. there are a number of other figures in the circle like hope hicks who have that sort of connection with the president. she's a political novice. she's never worked in government or politics before this campaign. she doesn't know sort of the rules and riggers and expectations of the political word or government world, but she makes up for it in intense loyalty for trump and the trump family. she's somebody very close to trump and almost like a surrogate daughter. >> so jeremy, this new phrase, a
defensive briefing from the fbi. have you ever heard of such a thing where they came and said to someone, there's someone looking for, you there's someone trying to engage you, please be on gored f on guard for it? >> it happens frequently when the fbi collects information that a foreign intelligence or service is trying to target for collection or influence an american government official, the fbi will come in, sit down with that official in their office and say you may not be aware of this but they are trying to work you, bewarery of this. this shows two things, that she knew about the efforts by russia to penetrate the trump inner circle, she clearly reported up the chain of command, any good employee with wou employee would. and it just shows how good the fib was tracking these efforts and the president resent that skill and prowess. >> ken, i make it a point to listen very carefully when you're on television during the day as did i this afternoon. and what we've learned about the manafort investigation thus far
seems to have changed your opinion and viewpoint about how robust and vast this investigation is and what it could mean to this administration. >> well, brian, this filing and a lot of other data points i've been picking up in recent works just in my conversations with lawyers who are taking witnesses to the grand jury, but to your point, i mean, 400,000 documents gathered in the manafort case and turned over to defense lawyers. 15 search warprants, 36 devices. this san incredibly thorough investigation, and this is just one slice of it. i'm speaking to lawyers who say that these are the most impressive fbi agents on this case they've ever encountered and they're blown away by the kind of intelligence that the mueller team has about their clients, particularly if they've been overseas. they're using every national intelligence asset brought to bear to vefs this case. it's remarkable. it's a legal juggernaut and i
think we're only see glimpses of it here and there. there's a lot beneath the surface that we don't know about and this filing gave us another hint today of just how large the scope is. >> again for folks watch tlrg was just in the matter of mr. manafort, that's how limited the scope is and yet how broad the net is. phil, this president enjoys nicknames, sometimes that trickles down to the people who work for him. what's the risk of calling papa do loss a low-level coffee boy? >> he was advising on foreign policy for that period of the campaign. i mean, it's correct that he was low-level. he was not the mastermind of the political strategy, he wasn't traveling around the country with donald trump advising him on what to say in his speeches. but he was named as part of this foreign policy team at a time when president trump did not have any real sort of establishment figures from the foreign policy world. he's a young guy who they
brought in on to the campaign and according to account that his fiancee gave on television earlier this morning, he had contact with senior campaign officials and others in trump's circle. >> jeremy bash, finally on the topic of hope hicks, what does it tell you, if anything, about russian involvement potentially in team trump? >> look, i think it's clear that the russians were looking for every possible angle to gain intelligence and to influence the inner circle of the trump team. and they knew how important hope hicks was and is. and it doesn't surprise me at all that they would try to target her for collection or for influence operations. >> can't thank you gentlemen enough for being part of our leadoff team again on another busy friday night in the news business, especially in washington, d.c. jeremy bash, ken dilanian, phil rucker, appreciate it greatly. coming up for us, president trump open the road tonight in
florida just over the state line from alabama. he was making a major poush foush get roy moore elect to the senate despite multiple sexual abuse allegations. and one of our next guests is here to say sexual harass sacramento very much an issue come 2018 when "the 11th hour" continues on a friday night. offer our congratulations on your acceptance..." through the tuition assistance program, every day mcdonald's helps more people go to college. it's part of our commitment to being america's best first job. ♪
florida, which shares a media market with mobile had alabama. tonight's hour-plus speech was built as a make america great again rally but he also endorsed a senate candidate who stands accused of inappropriate sexual behavior with teenage girls with just over three days before that election, roy moore denies the accusations against him. one of the women who accuse him of sexual harassment showed a year back message that the two new each other personally back in the day. today she said she added the date and location herself as a reminder of who he was and when he signed it. here's how the president reacted to that news and the senate election in general tonight. >> so did you see what happened today? you know the yearbook? did you see that? there was a little mistake made. she started writing things notice yearbook. oh, what are we going to do? we cannot afford, this country, the future of this country,
cannot afford to lose a seat in the very, very close united states. we can't afford it, folks, we can't. [ applause ] >> we can't afford to have a liberal democrat who is completely controlled by nancy pelosi and chuck schumer. we can't do it. can't do it. so get out and vote for roy moore. [ cheers and applause ] >> do it. do it. >> before the president wrapped up his speech, roy moore was touting his endorsement. he quoted the president on twitter saying get out and vote for roy moore, president trump. tonight the president also, again, talked about hillary clinton sparking a lock her up chant among members of the crowd. that was followed by this markedly dark view from an american president of our american institutions.
>> look, it's been proven we have a rigged system. doesn't happen so easy, but this system, going to be a lot of changes. this is a rigged -- this is a rigged system. this is a sick system from the inside and, you know, there's no country like our country, but we have a lot of sickness in some of our institutions and we're working very hard. we've got a lot of them straightened out, but we do have -- we really do, we have a rigged system in this country that we have to change it. terrible. terrible. >> with us tonight for more in pensacola tonight jonathan allen, nbc news national political reporter and coauthor of the book "shatters". heidi white house reporter and an msnbc political analyst. here in the new york studios matthew noose balm, white house
reporter for politico. jonathan, i'm told there's a bit of a satellite delay between me talk and you hearing so ail say this all in one burst. perhaps because it comes on the anniversary week of fdr's great speech telling us we were going to be okay after pearl harbor, i thought tloonight there was ver little not in that speech including american carnage, it was very much stream of consciousness and it seemed full of grievances, do you agree? >> i think it was full of grievances, brian. as you pointed out, donald trump is in florida tonight but he's casting a long shadow across the state of alabama. tomorrow he'll be in mississippi to the west of alabama basically bracketing the state physically. look, the roy moore voters, the core roy moore voters who are also core donald trump voters voted for trump because in a lot of cases of those grievances, because of the way that they feel their culture is under attack. i think president trump was speaking to that tonight and he
was trying to intertwine roy moore's fight with his own fight. and it's amazing we can say that a president of the united states essentially came to campaign for someone who's been accused of -- accuse of sexual misconduct with teenagers and yet president trump embraced that much more tonight than he has at any other point. went on a pretty long and passionate defense not only of roy moore, but also an attack on doug jones, his democratic opponent. >> they keep saying we're living in new times. i'm real tempted to believe them sooner rather than later. heidi, what does this mean for roy moore and i guess i'm asking how much of the vote do you think is squishy, is malleable, is on the move and susceptible to being lobbied by an appearance or two from the president? >> it's hard to know specifically where the vote stands other than it's really close because alabama is not a market that's usually
competitive and it's not a market that there's been a lots of polling. that said, the most recent surveys do suggest that moore has the advantage. this is why donald trump's trip is so critical, because donald trump himself still unlike in many states has an approval rating over 50% in the state. and here is where i think some were surprised tonight. and that is that with weren't -- we were definitely expecting him to go after doug jones. were we expecting him, however, to doubt, put into question, the veracity of the accusations against roy moore goond after the accuser? well that is what he did and that feeds into what is happening in alabama and the reason why roy moore has been able to stay afloat, which is that far too few people actually believe the accusations against roy moore. and so here you have the president now with a last-minute development here misrepresenting this yearbook inscription, which, yes, this woman did acknowledge later that she put
in the date and his title so that she remembered who he was and, you know, when it was signed. but the signature, the writing, she stands by that, that it was absolutely his. and if you look at the signature that was also on the woman's note in florida who's making similar accusations against roy moore, there's a dead ringer signature there. and yet the president is feeding right into that main argument that roy moore is making which is that the women are lying. >> matt, you covered this guy, the president every day, we look for you every day in the briefing room in your usual seat. do you see through your prism anything different about his delivery, tone, tenor? he's more palpably a hunted man by voters these days. >> i think tonight we saw him out having fun in his element in front of a huge crowd. he did one of those things where he just went on for over an hour jumping from tan gont tangent
and he was really indiscernible in so many ways from a 2016 campaign speech. he's talking about a rigged system, as though this system did not put him in office, as though he's not currently the president. think it's interesting to see how long he can keep sticking to these greatest hits as though he's still candidate trump and not president trump. >> jonathan, i think heidi's absolutely right in pointing out how much, to what degree the president went there tonight on roy moore vis-a-vis the accuser's. was this more of a roy moore rally for senate than you expected? did you think it was going to be more glancing, the president's comments? >> i did. i thought it would be more dplansing. i thought it was possible he might not mention roy moore by name then he did. someone in the audience called out his name and he said he's right, roy moore's the guy. and absolutely heidi is right to point that out.
the president not only endorsed roy moore tonight, not only attacked doug jones, but essentially attacked the accuser, not only essentially, did attack one of the accuser of roy moore and the president himself has denied allegations of sexual misconduct against him. another person coming forward today saying that she -- he had attempted to kiss her at one point. you know, there's a sort of persecution complex that i think the president shares with roy moore and, you know, they're trying to get people to believe that they didn't do things that people have accused them of. i think he sees solidarity with roy moore on that and i think he hopes roy moore's voters see a solidarity with trump who is more popular as heidi points out than moore is. >> hide dri, i want to you listen to some roy moore comments from back in august about vladimir putin. >> he said that russia was the focus of evil in the modern
world. >> you could say that very well about america, couldn't you? >> do you think? >> well, we promote a lot of bad things, you know. >> like? >> same sex marriage. >> that's the very argument of vladimir putin makes. >> well, then maybe putin is right, maybe he's more kin to me than i know. >> heidi, back to that question, what happens if roy moore wins? >> well, it's kind of a loose/loose situation for the republican party. he comes to washington and we take mitch mcconnell at his word that she start an immediate ethics investigation had is likely to find the same things that the washington post and other news organizations have found through their intrepid reporting that these women, in fact, have credible stories and that they have quite a dilemma on their hands because they do face the question of whether they really want to overturn the will of the alabama voters who despite knowing all of these things put roy moore into the senate. or, roy moore loses and if he
loses, that's obvious why that hurts the gop. they lose a critical seat and they have a very slim majority. so it is a loose/loose situation for the gop. >> take the other side of the question, if roy moore loses, the president let's not forget, went down for big luther originally, but buried in his remarks that night the possibility that luther strange might lose. how much of the prestige of office has now, as of tonight, gone into this campaign? >> i think trump is all in here. i think you really couldn't define it any other way. he's tweeted about him. he went down there, like you said, he's not in alabama, but he's in the media market. his white house has come pretty close to defending moore. they say the allegations are troubling but we're going to let it up to the pex alabama to zip. the rnc following trump's lead is back in on this race. trump's all in here in ways that we haven't really seen yet as
president. he didn't do all that much for ed gillespie who lost in virginia, didn't campaign for him. so i think a defeat for roy moore, which again pretty unlikely but that would be a real blow to this president in a state where he's so popular. >> i think his involvement here greater than it has been. three great writers covering plaks politics today. our thanks for joining us on a friday night. when we continue, the state of the race as we know it tonight in alabama and what it might take for a political upset there. none other than steve kornacki at the big board after this big break. it's a small finger...a worm! like, a dagger? a tiny sword? bread...breadstick? a matchstick! a lamppost! coin slot! no? uhhh... 10 seconds. a stick! a walking stick! eiffel tower, mount kilimanjaro! (ding) time! sorry, it's a tandem bicycle.
>> what is the president's backing of him mean? >> it means that he -- he stands behind him and he believes him, i believe. the whole thing has me so fired up and i've offered to take anybody and everybody to the voting polls. >> why do you think that the president backed him? >> because he's got conservative values that boom has and needs to keep. i think alabama can see through the lies. >> little bit of a snapshot there. our own vaughan hilliard spoke with alabama voters outside the president's rally in pensacola, florida, tonight. with just over three days until voters actually head to the
polls, the race to decide the state's next u.s. senator remains tight. we are asked our national political correspondent steve kornacki to join us tonight at the big board to look at it. and i have so many questions for you including absent tee ballots which can staples sometimes be an indicator where we're headed. >> we talk so much about early voting, the thing about alabama is the number of absentee votes, it's not an early voting state. in terms of the tea leaves, this is going to be more of an old fashioned one. we're is going to see who turns out on tuesday, which regions they come from. we can show you if you average every poll that's been taken together, every poll that's out there, you get a lead of about two points, a little bit more than two points for moore. if you're a republican you're looking at that saying we're ahead, that's good. if you're a democrat you're saying this sas close as we've been in modern history in
alabama. the last time they had a race in the single digits for the u.s. senate in alabama, you got to go back to 1996. so for democrats, if they're ever going to win one, it's got to be this one. we can show you what it's going to take. a democrat winning in alabama, we'll show whaut state looked like last year in the presidential election. this was obviously a landslide for donald trump. look at the state this way. there are 13 count tiss, 12 of them right here. these are largely black counties, overwhelmingly democratic, plus jefferson county. even if you're a democrat, even if you're getting blown out you're going to win but you need to do more than this. if the democrats are going win on tuesday, where are they looking in alabama? what voters are they looking for? it's two basic keys here. democratic counts counties, heavily black. is there going to turnout and intensity particularly in these
areas? number two, the key for democrats, it's the suburbs outside of huntsville, this is madison county. it's going to be the subbushds here in jefferson county. and a big one to keep an eye on, shelby county just outside of birmingham, that's going to be key. and then down here mobile, baldwin county on the other side. these are the place where's you've got these suburban traditionally republican voters, little bit more moderate culturally. if there's going to be republicans who cannot pull that lever for roy moore, that's where you're going to find them. one thing to keep in mind, the last time roy moore's name was on the balance from the alabama, he nearly lost, 2012 for chief justice you can see it right there. there is a formula for democrats were sealwe'll see if it's ther tuesday. >> the gop is going to face another ron after franks resigned following multiple accusations of sexual misconduct. nbc news is reporting it this
way tonight. franks offered an employee $5 million to carry his child as a surrogate. according to an associate of the former staffer. you don't hear that every day. the republican lawmaker had announced yesterday that he would leave office at the end of january but today turned around and released a statement saying, quote, last night my wife was admitted to the hospital in washington, d.c. due to an ongoing ailment. after discussing options with my family we came to the conclusion that the best thing for our family now would be for me to tender my previous resignation effective today, december 8th, 2017. so, steve, he's gone. out of congress and at a certain point we need to start talking about the impact of vacant seats that are starting to pile up. and as you know, you talk to the same people, people in politics will tell you they think this is really going to affect -- there's going to be so many people leaving town, leaving their seats it's going to affect
the map. >> yeah, it's not going to stop right here. fwheer december right now 2017 for an election of november next year. for this particular district, there will be a special election for republicans. they should keep the seat it's a district that they won by 21 points last year. the suburbs outside phoenix. but a lot of people are likening the situation to just in terms of the political impact, if you go book a generation, 1992 they had the banking scandal. turned out all these congressman were bouncing hundreds of checks, phi, 600 checks. they didn't have to pay overdraft fees. it was free loans for members of congress. the names all got released that year and there was this huge turnover. dozens and dozens of members retired, they knew they couldn't get reelected. that's the sort of potential a lot of people now looking at this is a this could have in terms of other allegations that could come out, in terms of this fund, this settlement fund that we now know exists for members of congress. when names start getting out, you could start seeing that kind of really once in a generation sort of churn. >> if we don't see you before
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we want to update you on something we heard the president say at this event in pensacola tonight bracing to hear an american president say we have a sick system in our country, we have a rigged system in our country. well, the arizona republican who has been freed up vocally because he's not running for re-election, jeff flake, hopped on social media tonight in response. says, this is not a sick system, mr. president, nor is it a rigged system. let's not so distrust in our democratic institutions. we wanted to bring that to you as it just happened. tomorrow the president will attend a private ceremony for
the opening of the mississippi civil rights museum. democratic congressman john lewis of georgia, nothing less than an icon of the civil rights struggle is one of many honored at the museum but has refused to attend the opening because the president will be there. congressman bennie thompson of mississippi has joined lewis in that decision. they issued a joint statement saying in part, quote, president trump's attendance and his hurtful policies are an insult to the people portrayed in this civil rights museum. the white house then responded with its own statement. quote, we think it's unfortunate that these members of congress wouldn't join the president in honoring the incredible sacrifice civil rights leaders made to right the injustices in our history. well that brought this response from the congressional black caucus. it is laughable that the white house is criticizing john lewis and bennie thompson for not attending the opening of a civil rights museum that honors the sacrifice of, wait, john lewis,
bennie thompson, and many others. here to talk about all of it, jason johnson, politics editor for the root and an msnbc contributor and eugene scott's back with us as well. political reporter to the washington post. both gentlemen have written about and chronicled this president's response to issues like the nfl protest, the alt-right rally in charlottesville, and his ongoing feud with asort membesorted mem congress. gentlemen, welcome. we'll start with home-field advantage since you're here with us in new york. hard to know where to begin here. perhaps in light of the rally we saw tonight in pensacola and the president's comments really going all in on the roy moore race. >> well, you know, look, the president of the united states has basically said that any system of government that does not bend to his will is corrupt or broken. the fbi is in tatters when it doesn't work for him but it was great when, you know, james
comey was working in his favor and had the hillary clinton letter. the police are terrible unless they're doing what he wants them do. so we have a president who consistently undermines the institutions that bring our country together, so it's not surprising then no one would want to spend time with him at a civil rights museum when he seems to put forth policies that would undermine the work that these men and women put together, put their lives on the line fighting american apartheid, but he seems not interested in the things they built up from that sacrifice. >> is it possible that people have forgotten that john lewis came within an inch of losing i had life because of such a grievous head wound? is it possible that people have for goaten his seminole role in the struggle or is he just getting trolled. >> absolutely people have forgotten and one of those people is likely president trump himself. you may remember that the president previously attacked the representative john lewis calling him all talk and no action. and the reality is, anyone who's familiar with not just civil rights history but american
history knows that the representative is not that. and that is why he brought it up, that perhaps the president himself's commitment to civil rights activists and protests leaves a lot to be desired and he did not want to stand beside him in a moment like what tomorrow will present given some of the things that the president has said about activists recently. >> eugene, then we have the roy moore comments about last time america was great. >> yeah, those were deeply problematic to say the least. there was an interview where african american asked roy moore specifically when was the last time that he thought america was great. and he made a reference to slavery saying that it was a time when families were united and that america was strong and anyone with a basic understanding of american history knows that slavery was actually a time where many black families were torn apart and separated and not strong and valued. it reinforced many fears that
black voters had that make america great again meant to celebrate a time that was not quite great for black americans. >> and jason, this is piling on but i have to read in the a lot of people thought this was the most inflammatory and explosive thing they saw today. this is a tweet from u.s. congressman steve king, republican of iowa, one of the stall worths on the road during the trump campaign with donald trump. diversity is not our strength. hungarian prime minister victor or ban, quote, mixing cultures will not lead to a higher quality of life but a lower one. are people forgiven for checking calendars to make sure it isn't 1955? >> these are politicians who do not believe in what america is. the very strength of this country has been bringing people from africa and asia and different parts of europe who
are escapinga i bus or oppression and brought here. even my people who where are brought here in chains on boats unvoluntarily are still part of the fabric that makes this country great. steven king does not understand what this country is about. and while i've always felt the voters have the right to put anyone in haufs who we want to put in, if you see a representative that doesn't understand what this country is about it's a condemnation on those voters if they allow that man to represent them when clearly they don't know what makes them or this country great. >> what happens tomorrow in mississippi. >> nothing. i mean, people are going to protest, the president's going to be there. he may or may not make a statement later. these are not the kinds of things that the president of the united states is particularly concerned with. remember, this is a guy who didn't know who frederick douglas was. he thought he might still be alive and working in a prooi library somewhere. >> saying great things about him. >> that we didn't know before. i don't think anything major is going to happen. what it speaks to, you mingsed this earlier and i agree, it's almost trolling at this point.
there's no policy to back up any of these public efforts that the president makes. when he does a video talking about rosa parks, there's no policy to back it up. so you're not doing this for policy purposes, you're not doing this for african american voters, you might just be an tagging people because it doesn't have real meat behind it. >> eugene, what do you think is going to happen tomorrow. >> the same thing. if you look at some of the approval ratings some of his lowest numbers come from black voters and that's because they would like to see him address issues that are relevant today opposed to attending ceremonial events that perhaps don't seem as consistent with some of the things he's tweeted, said, and put forward on capitol hill. >> a apologize for the subject matter, it's great to have you both return to the broadcast. jason johnson, eugene scott our thanks. coming up historian john meacham to take on this topic of civil rights in the south. we'll also talk about a historic milestone, the 45th anniversary of the last time we went up
we don't want to skip a beat in our conversation so we'll bring him right in. that's pulitzer prize author john meacham who happens to be an msnbc contribute bore and germane to our conversation happens to be a southern at the same time as a historian. and no one ever rolled credits on the civil rights struggle. no one ever said well that's over because of course it never ended and won't. so i need to you sum up just where we are vis-a-vis the president's remarks tonight in pensacola, his attendance tomorrow in mississippi, and the fact that an icon or two has chosen to stay away because of it.
>> everything old is new again. you had a president of the united states today who offered an endorsement of a candidate for federal office in a state where on the 11th of june, 1963, the governor of that state, george corally wallace, stood in the school house door in tuscaloosa, had pledged to fight integration, had stood on the place in january of 1963 where jefferson dhafs been sworn in as president of the confederationsy. what wallace looked up from that stot, if he looked to his left about five or 600 yards he would see the baptist church, the pull pist martin luther king. a lot of history interjecting rig -- intersecting right now. and you now have that speech led to the stanton school house door, the federal government under the kennedy administration forced the integration of the university of alabama. and that night president kennedy
went on television and announced the civil rights struggle, he'd been slow to come to it, that the civil rights strug struggle was as clear as scripture and certain as the american constitution, proposed a civil rights act that the linden johnson in the wake of dallas did everything he could to pass. the next night, the next night, june 12th, 1963 in what some people have called the fis political assassination of the 1960, the naacp mississippi field director was shot to death in his front yard. the bullet came to rest in his kitchen. the rifle that was used in that murder will be in the museum tomorrow and if president trump is there touring it, he might take a look and think about how close that violence, how tangible the extraordinary story of civil rights is. that people like john lewis and
edgar efrs and martin luther king and diane gnash and so many other people acted out the fundamental story of mart tamdom. these were foks who were willing to shet their blood for the redemption of a country. and a lot of us are worried that that redemption is at somewhat at risk. >> thank you for bringing that history alive. i want to bring something else back to life. our mutual friend put out on social media last night the picture of apollo 17, last time we went up to the moon, walked around and came back, 45 years ago on pearl harbor day it launched. this would have been the second dave its voyage to the moon. what did we lose by stopping there, by not going back? >> there is something, isn't there, wonderful about the human
impulse for exploration. and the interest in going to mars is clearly link to the great story of mercury and apollo. it's really remarkable. again president kennedy, you think about his standing, it was at rice in houston and he said we were going to put i man on the moon within a decade and return him safely to earth. there's a remarkable sense as difficult and bloody as the 1960s were, it did feel like a moment of the american century, henry loose's great phrase, where we would declare things, we could set goals and we could meet them and 1972 we came back and that was the year that some burglars broke into watergate, the watergate hotel and there began to be a significant decline in trust and in the faith of our institutions to did great things. i think we should recover that. >> john meacham, it's always a pleasure for what i hope for our viewers are obvious reasons.
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last thing before we go here tonight, hundreds of thousands of people in southern california are out of their homes. six fires still burning and l.a., san diego, and ventura counties. officials have confirmed at least one death can now be blamed on these fires. tonight at least 500 structures have been destroyed, another 15,000 threatened. entire communities are now gone. neighborhoods where people grew up are no more. and thousands of people are without power tonight. earlier today, the president declared an emergency in california freeing up federal money to help those affected by the wildfires. a red flag warning meaning conditions are ideal for fires to start and spread will remain in effect in the area until 8:00
p.m. local on sunday. meanwhile, national weather service said the santa ana winds, those evil winds will continue through the weekend. winds as high as 40 miles per hour on saturday, increasing to 50 on sunday over much of l.a. and ventura counties. for us, that's our broadcast on a friday night and for this week. if you so very much for being with us. good night from our nbc news headquarters in new york. have a good weekend. thanks forinning us this hour, nice to have you here. we have a special report four tonight on a story that we've been working on for a very long time now. for going on a year and a half we have been digging into the russian attempt, not just to interfere in this last election, but to interfere for the benefit of russia's chosen candidate. that candidate, of course, is now the president and his administration has been dogged since before day one by questions of whether his