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trayem and msnbc analyst who is a former bush-cheney senior adviser and currently the vp of communications at the bipartisan policy center. joan walsh, an msnbc political analyst and national affairs correspondent at the nation, dean obidala, a political comedian and columnist for "the daily beast" as well as host of sirius/xm's show and jason johnson, the political director of the root.com and msnbc contributor. let's get right to our first revvie. the worst political move of 2017. it's a crowded field that includes among others withdrawing from the paris climate agreement, ending daca, the program that allows immigrants who entered the united states illegally as
minors to stay in the united states. the trpresident's order to crea a travel ban. betsy devos as the secretary of education or scott pruitt for that matter as head of epa. what was the worst political move, jason, in 2017? >> i would actually have to say it was the travel ban. not only was that bad domestic policy, not only did it break up families and expensive, not only did it basically turn into a recruiting mechanism for people abroad who want to attack the united states, it also empowereded all of donald trump's enemies. if we remember, when the first travel ban came through, the aclu got a year's worth of donations within a weekend, within a weekend. so he began, he began his presidency by not only offending the world and a racist dangerous policy but also demonstrating he can empower his enemies. >> robert who is one that is the republican on the panel and
survived 2017 -- >> barely. >> congratulations. >> -- there was, if i can be benevolent as we end the year, there was some outreach under some former republicans to try and bring people together. i remember john mccain stopped a woman from attacking muslims in exchange when running against president obama. i think following on jason's point, trump killed all of that in terms of the perception that the republicans at least want to reach out and be tolerant. >> i totally agree with you. it's interesting. what the president did in 2017 is double down on some of the most hate filled language that we thought we kind of moved from, doubling down on alabama, doubling down on roy moore. let's not forget virginia and charlottesville. but to your original question this is important. worst political move, i would say daca. here's why. what the president did was is
that, remember this, go back to september 2017, speaker ryan and mitch you mcconnell were frustrated with the president because he undercut them. he leveraged democrats' hands by saying we're going to have daca at the end of the year so therefore we're going to force your hand on a government shutdown. and republicans that i talked to on capitol hill were extremely upset because politically it put them in a box. why would you do this now when can you wait until march 5th to do this? why are you doing this now? what mitch mcconnell and paul ryan and the staff told me specifically the staffs, not the members, is that what you did is you gave nancy pelosi and chuck schumer an upper hand and politically that was a bad move. >> joan, worst political move? >> i would have to go with pulling out of the paris climate accords just because it's going to have such incredible reverberation and telling a younger generation of people who really do care about the environment that republicans don't care. >> and this impacts us image wise all over the world. >> globally.
>> as well as tangibly all over the world. >> right. we're lucky we have a lot of -- even republican governors, mayors, keeping up the good work, still clinging to the paris accords. but politically it just showed the administration to be more concerned about undoing the deeds of barack obama than doing anything positive or pro active. >> dean? >> to me, it's one thing off the list is the worst political move is accepting the endorsement of steve bannon or donald trump. that is the kiss of death now after doug jones. democrats took over the most seats they've had in virginia in over 100 years. but i'd have to go, myself being muslim, the travel ban. i mean that personally impacted my community. it sent a message to donald trump, sent the entire campaign that muslims should not be trusted. that we're inherently dangerous. we cannot determine who is good or bad muslim. and that sends a horrible message and leads to more bullying of muslims in this
country. >> all right. now let's go to the revvie for the best political move of 2017. here's some ideas. former fbi director robert mueller for accepting the role to investigate the russian collusion in last year's election. or maybe republican senator susan collins, john mccain, ran paul and lisa mckowski for voting against obama care. republicans rallying around doug jones and helping him win a historic senate race in alabama. which is it, joan? what do you say was best political move of 2017? >> i think it's all the moves that democrats and the naacp and other voting groups made in alabama. they won a race that they were not expected to win. and, you know, a lot of people gave in some ways too much credit to the fact that it was roy moore and he really is, was, still around, kind of a despicable human being. but there was also a lot of
learnings taken from that race in atlanta where democrats lost but came closer than they were expected from virginia. there was a lot of emphasis placed on ground game on organizing and on church to church organizing, on getting fe felons who got their voting rights back, telling them you got your voting rights back but this is what you need to vote. >> i'm glad you said that. jason, you and i were talking. a lot of the traditional organizations, naacp, our group national action network, black churches, black radio were underground. where we saw a lot of the progressive groups that people were saying all these groups are no longer needed two years ago. we didn't see what i call popular groups at all this year. we saw the traditional groups being able to deliver. i think i'm glad to hear joan say that. i didn't tell her to say that. but we are old friends. and we think alike.
>> pop-ups work for restaurants and american girl stores but they don't work for organizations. you have to have people in the town you can call upon. you never know when there is a political crisis. it matters. i don't care how dusty the phone books are. it matters if there is a national action network office. it matters if you got, you know, just any kind of -- the national urban league, a church that people attend. these are still places that people can go to to get organized and get information consistently. and get information regardless if they're tech savvy or not. that made a difference in virginia and fairfax. that made a difference for keisha lance bottoms in atlanta. that is making a difference all over the country. >> best political move? >> believe it or not, it was not one of the ones you mentioned. i think it is james comey keeping notes. that is one of the smartest political moves of the year. in him expressing the notes when he went and testified in front of congress. look, all of the things that people want to speculate about
how donald trump operated were actually laid bear by a guy that had not necessarily any sort of indicator he was a friend of democrats. james comey cost hillary clinton the election. but when he came forward and said this man tried to intimidate me, i have taken notes for all these meetings. it opened the door for democrats to come out and say, look, we know this is the case. it also opened the door, i think, for skeptical republicans who will never say this on the record to allow mueller to come into play because they're like we know this guy is bad. we need a way to stop him. >> to me, progressive pragmatism that we saw in virginia and alabama. the hillary-bernie divide is alive and well. they put that aside. both sides, hillary-bernie did not matter. they went to the end goal to win. dpeet defeat a republican and elect a democrat. there was no purity test involved in virginia or alabama. i hope that's the message and model we follow going forward. >> robert it,s a lonely place to
ask a republican at the end of 2017. what was the best political move? i'll give you the chance to try tookt like y to act like you can come up with one. >> it's when the democrats seized the moral high ground and pivoted to the me too movement and said you know what, al sharpton? we'll not have someone in our party by the name of al franken or john connors. so what they did is pitted republicans against republicans. they seized the narrative and implied we're the party of the moral high ground here. this is not right. i think that's going to make a significant, significant plus if you will for democrats come 2018 and 2020. >> all right. stay with us. we're just getting started. more revvies are on the way.
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we're back with our panel, robert trayem, joan walsh, dean obadala and jason johnson. we turn to the best political speech of the year. with a lot of courageous americans taking a stand, several came to mind including president obama's farewell speech to the country, senator john mccain's liberty medal speech condemning what he called half baked spurious nationalism. and president george w. bush's speeches to reject white supremacy. but what stood out to me is former new orleans mayor mitch landrieu, announcing the removal of confederate statues from his city. take a listen. >> fictional confederacy, ignoring the death, ignoring the
enslavement and the terror that it actually stood for. and after the civil war, these monuments were part of that terrorism as much as burning a cross on someone's lawn. they were erected purposely to send a strong message to all who walked in the shadows about who was still in charge in this city. >> best political speech. let's see what the panel thinks. you know this is sensitive to me as a speaker so be careful. robert? >> i have two very quickly, john mccain on the senate floor in july of 2017 where he talked about the best of this country and talked about how we all, meaning senators and also americans either rise up to the occasion. the second one you mentioned, rev, george w. bush when he spoke and denounced white supremacy, challenged his own party, our own party, the republican party. it was americans at its best. it was presidential leadership at its best. eloquent, direct to the point. but also not afraid to talk about our short comings and saying that we can rise upon it. >> you know, jason, when
president, former president bush made that speech, i couldn't help but think about when he was president and some of us were talking about white supremacy, we were considered extremists to even use the term. so you can imagine i'm looking like -- i'm like saying i can't be hearing this. i'm messing with the remote that is something going on wrong with my set. to hear george bush literally talk about white supremacy and calling it that. >> i was impressed. i think it's indicative of where this country got to. george bush for all the hor endous policies he put through, i mean he did push out trent lott for basically giving a speech saying, hey, you know, things were better back when white supremacy is going on. but believe it or not, the big speech for me, believe it or not, was. president's inauguration speech. and the reason why i say that, he talked about the devastated city and all the horrible things happening in america. i think this country and the world needed to realize what we
were facing. there was a tendency after donald trump got elected of people saying well it can't be that bad. won't be that terrible. he'll work it out. no, that speech showed us what kind of person we were going to get in the white house. >> you're talking about the inaugust recai inaugural speech in front of the five million people? >> the 50 zillion people that were there, more than the super bowl, in fact. i thought that was a really important speech. america needed to face the man who was in the white house. it set the stage for all of the resistance, all of the pushback that happened through the year. if donald trump had learned anything, if donald trump had given a savvy moderate speech the moment he came into osffice we wouldn't be where we are today. people would not pretend he is something they can work with rather than the extremist that he is. >> joan? >> this is really unpopular. i think the best political speech i heard this year is al franken when he resigned. i think he really -- he made his constituents feel heard. he made people feel a lot of grief and some of us like me that the day before said he's got to go suddenly we were like
oh, don't go. but he centered it back on the people of minnesota. he brought it back to paul wellstone. i like the way he promised us that he was not going anywhere. he would leave the senate sadly. you could see his voice breaking. but he was going to stay active. won't be shamed entirely out of politics even if he had to leave the senate in a really unfortunate series of events. >> i think the idea that i'm going to praise a speech by george bush, a man who i mocked for years, because he couldn't speak, we mocked this man we could make fun of because he couldn't speak english now having the courage to speak about white supremacy. i think it's important when republicans speak about white supremacy. it's a fight against mainstreaming that hate. and we need the right to stand up to it. they know where we stand. and that's the thing against steve bannon and trump. transforming america to accept what used to be in the fringes, allowing it to come out in the sunlight with tiki torches and saying this is okay. you need republicans saying it's
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welcome back to the revvies. the lifetime achievement award, every year we look around and ask who has the most blueberry pie on their face? this year, it goes to president donald trump. why you ask? well, where do we need to start? >> i mean, i know robert you are -- would not disagree with me with the blueberry pie designation of donald trump. i mean, this is the only one in seven years i've given this out that, you know, every time you wipe it off his face you smears it off. >> probably while we're here talking. >> what you talked about, this is the line he goes right up to the line. he dangles his foot over it. and then when everyone, you know, says how dare you, mr. president, he says what? me? i'm not a racist?
in his twisted mind, he's -- >> because i need to say the reason we call it blueberry pie is i gave the analogy when we started the show seven years ago that when people -- we used to eat blueberry pie and plmom wou say who ate the pie? i would say i didn't have no pie. it goes right to what you're saying. the guy that obviously did it. i'm not racist. i'm not dealing with this islam phobia but he has the pie all over his face. >> i have a theory is the tweet on gillibrand -- >> you would never say it publicly? you're getting ready to say it publicly. >> i don't think the president has a very sophisticated command of the english language. i think in his mind, i think in his mind, i don't think it was a very racist thing. i'm sorry. i think that's what all people do. >> jason, give me your blueberry pie analysis. >> i disagree.
the reason why is this. the president has to demean everyone who he engages with. he has to sexualize every woman that he engages with. and we all know, look, we know the people who do that. it's like the guy at the office is like can i borrow a stapler? i'll give you one. there are people that will do that no matter what. and, you know, comey doesn't ask him questions. comey comes becking. christian gillibrand doesn't could asking for a donation, they comes begging. >> whether you look at all the tweets over the last ten years, he does it with men too. he said the same thing with -- >> but it doesn't have the sexual suggestion. >> no. >> she came in my office and would do anything. >> yeah. >> people look for tweets. >> he absolutely knows what he is doing. >> yeah. and he said used. >> people look for tweets and speeches, public statements. he's used the determine begging. he's diminished men. but he never used the term in my office and would do anything. that -- i'm sorry. i can't give that to you. >> i don't think he is seeing it
through his lens. i don't think he's that sophisticated. >> the next tweet was about sexual harassment. the sexual harassment stuff is bogus. he is on his mind. he is focused on that. he's so angry that women are coming forward. that's the beauty of the me too movement. it's continuing. it's not a place in time. it's a revolution of culture in america changing. >> i have friends -- >> give me blueberry. >> my blueberry is on every never trumper out there that slipped the script and damaged their political future. i'm talking about the romneys, i'm talking about mccains. the one thing that mccain stood up for, there are plenty of ways he protected the president. and lindsey graham, the number one person. can you show every single video last year of lindsey graham talking about how horrible this president is and attacking the president like an agony on 2016. >> playing golf and bringing the cases of diet coke for trump. to me the blueberry goes to the rnc. they pulled out of the alabama
race. we want nothing to do with roy moore and now they're back in. they're saying that he doesn't represent the values. too bad. 2018, you do. trump is the gop and gop is trump. >> and they're going to wear the blueberry pie into 2018. >> that is what i was going to say is the rnc. i'll personalize it even more. ronny mcdaniel that runs it and told by donald trump to take her original name, romney out of her name because it really bothered him. and she did it. she took the rnc out of alabama and then she put the rnc back into alabama. she does not look good at the end of 2017. >> since i'm handing out a blueberry pie, i've decided to hand out an extra slice award this year and that award goes to the president's first press secretary sean spicer. remember whether he stormed out shortly after the inauguration to discuss crowd size? take a look. >> this was the largest audience to ever witness an inauguration,
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welcome back to the world famous rockefeller center in new york city and the seventh annual revvie awards. here again is your host, reverend al sharpton. >> thank you for joining us for our end of the year celebration. i look back on what that year was in politics. joining us this morning, robert traham who is a former bush-cheney senior adviser, joan walsh, national affairs correspondent at "the nation," dean obidala, political comedian and radio host and jason johnson, the political editor of theroot.com. our next category has so many possible nominations. we couldn't fit them all in, really. i'm talking about the worst
trump tweet of the year. here's a few. the tweets saying he should have left those three ucla basketball players in jail. they were not in jail to begin with. the tweet saying former fbi director james comey better hope there's no tapes of their meeting. the tweet that personally attacked my colleague and friend, the tweet questioning the leadership of san juan's mayor after hurricane maria. and there was also the tweet where he sent condolences to the wrong mass shooting. and then, of course, tweets making fun of rocket man, praising judge arpaio and fake news. let's discuss it. dean? >> his tweets are aging me. look at me.
i'm 23. he's killing me. the tweet to me though on a serious note that is the worst is retweeting the anti-muslim videos that sent a message that islam is at war with christianity. that is one of the videos. >> it enraged the allies in europe. >> it paints a message in america that muslims want to take over this country and destroy christianity which is not true. somehow we hate the virgin mary. that is not true. the virgin mary is part of islam. and donald trump continues to demonize our community for political gain which will have consequences long beyond donald trump leaving, making it more difficult for young muslims in this country, kids getting bullied at record numbers. so to me, that stands out. and the sea of horribleness, that one stands out. >> joan? >> i think it might be the one where he claimed that president obama ordered him bugged. and, you know, made a big deal out of that. >> that was early. >> that was early. it's been a long year, rev. it's hard to reach back to
january and february and march. i'm trying to go back there. it was a lie, it was an easily disproven lie. he never apologized for it. i can't believe i said that. he never apologies for anything, right? just so brazen. >> but you know, you worked bush-cheney. it's hard to believe that he actually understands he's the president of the united states. because some of the things he says really gives you the feeling that he really doesn't understand the implications of someone sitting in the seat he's sitting in saying this. i mean, what is the reaction of other countries? what is the reaction of the market since he's a businessman. it's like he can't grasp that he's not donald trump -- >> average citizen. >> average citizen on fifth aefr cutti avenue cutting deals. >> it just pains me so much hearing everything everyone is talking about about the tweets.
it's like this is the constitution and very slowly doing this. and they're all bad. let me be clear. all the tweets are bad. i think the worst of the worst are the ones that have international ramifications where our allies and our foes are looking at us and saying what are you doing? we have no idea how to react to this. and you know what? rocket man, perhaps maybe i'll push that button. you'll provoke me. maybe i'll do that. so just through deductive reasoning to your earlier point, one would think that the president would say to themselves, i can't do this. no matter what i think, the president can't do this because of the international and national ramifications. these are people's lives we're talking about here. we're talking about fbi, people that put their lives on the line for our democracies and for our freedoms and for a president to do what he's doing in writing is so literally taken the constitution and playing with it. >> you know, jason, it's like he really also has reduced the
image of the president. >> completely. >> i think, you know, i remember whether i was growing up a teenage activist, james brown became like a father to me. he was interested in my activism. the first time i went to las vegas with him, i thought about this when trump was elected. he said, reverend, you see that? i said what? he said that's the lounge. that's where people drink and smoke and all of that. and he says they have lounge acts. you have to do whatever you got to do to be heard over the drinks and to be heard over the waitresses talking and that. he says but then inside, if you make it into the big room, the big stage, people pay a couple hundred dollars to see you there. kun you can't bring a lounge act to the main stage. he never understood. he's on the big stage now. and he's doing the lounge act at the expense of the american public. >> i like that comparison. i used to call him a carnival barker but that is better. he is a low brow lounge act and now he's the president of the
united states. i'm going to bring it down a notch. all the international things he does are horrendous. but believe it or not, i think some of the worst tweets that trump put out this year, he won't leave politics alone. the man ruined football. he literally -- he took america's pastime and turned it into a dividing line in this country. >> yeah. >> one of the few things that people can do and have a good time. he made that a dividing line. it demonstrated there is nothing that trump can't destroy with his tweets when he wants to. >> i somehow get the feeling that jason doesn't like he had the boycott the nfl this year. everyone stay with us. some big awards on the way. from the very beginning ...
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who died in service. his speech saying, "get that s.o.b. off the field right now referring to athletes kneeling during the national anthem and his speech about appearing to advocate rougher treatment of people in police custody by telling police officers, "you can take your hands off" referring to that person's head as they get into a police car. i mean, i can go on and on and on, jason. >> but we know that these single worst speech of this year if not any presidency in american history is that there were good people on both sides when talking about that. >> and the neonazis marching and a young woman being killed. >> and a woman being killed. >> right. >> the president of the united states gave aid and comfort to a terrorist organization that had killed an american less than 50 minutes from the white house.
less than two hours from the white house has the single worst speeches of any president in the history of the united states. >> dean, i've got to agree with him. i've been in civil rights all my life. i never seen a president even if i felt they felt that way say it, verbalize it and refuse to take it back. >> absolutely. i also want to give an award for something he never said, he never will say white supremacist terrorism. but when it comes to -- he told us, the only way to solve radical islamic terrorism is to say it. why won't he say white supremacist terrorism? to me the award is flipped. the things he needed to say is white supremacist terrorism and put resources in with the fbi and government officials to crack down on it the same way he would be worried about someone that is islamic terrorist. >> joan? >> i wanted to pick that speech. you got it, jason. i would say the s.o.b. speech, the attacks on colin kaepernick
and just the viciousness in his voice, the way he was really going up against this young man who doesn't even have a job in the nfl anymore because he had the audacity to protest police violence. he just has this need to racialize everything and to divide us. it is a very bad feeling. >> the thing that i always wondered and maybe it's me because of my activist background, robert, how do you, mr. president, i just wish the press corps had had asked this, how do you demonize colin kaepernick, bennett and those that took a knee and you brag about you're friends with mohammed ali? how do you reconcile the two? >> it goes back to the point that i think the president does a good job of compartmentalizing things. and he doesn't see what we see in his head. i think he romanticizes things with his friendships. obviously that charlottesville
speech was hor irving. the horrific. standing in the oval office in front of the portrait of andrew jackson and he was giving, i believe it was awards to the win talkers, the code talkers that were native-american background and in the middle of a scripted remarks he spoke and he paused dramatically and said we have a pocahantas in the united states senate too. >> referring to senator -- >> that's a derogatory term to her. >> it goes back to the tweets. there never seems to be a new low with him. there never seems to be -- in the oval office, unless he knew exactly what he was doing, you can flip that coin and say he could be crazy like a fox. i don't know. >> well, i mean, i think that a lot of people have speculated. somebody that has known him probably 35 years, there were times he played democrat. he would come down and action network convention twice. you really don't know whether
this is a strategy or he's just so off the rails he can't contain this raw kind of bias and bigotry that a lot of people have always felt about him including me since the '80s when we marched on about central park for discriminating and housing. >> i think there is a tendency, people want to feel that he's smarter than he is. because the scary reality which is that he's just a living id is even more dangerous. so people want to project. he's crazy like a fox. he has a plan here. i don't know if he is. it's like watching -- is that a professional mountain biker or somebody falling down a hill? you don't know. you're going to project upon it. i think that's what people do with the president. i don't think there is any indicator that he has a plan. i think he is simply saying exactly what he feels in the moment, in the time with no understanding of the circumstances. and my reason for believing that is the reaction you see from other people who are his allies in the administration whether
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the revies with my panel. we're ending with a look at our judges' great expectations. their predictions for 2018. now, we'll be saving this tape to embarrass you at the next revvies when we show it next year, so predict wisely. be careful. i'm going to start with you. >> i predict that the democrats are going to do very well in the house and the senate. i don't know if i'll go far to say, they'll take both back, but what we've learned is there's a nationalized rage, a nationalized desire to do something. and the 2018 races are going to let people do it locally. >> you're saying the senate and the congress, they'll do well. what about the statehouses, because a lot of what we've got to deal with is at a state level. >> it's a great question. you're seeing more attention to that. you saw it in virginia. there are groups like flipable, which is designed for state legislatures.
the democratic legislative campaign committee got a little more energized this year. i think people get that our votes don't matter here in new york and don't matter in california. we are being disenfranchised by gerrymandering, rev. and i think people -- it's become -- it's not just an abstract thing to people anymore. i think people really get that this is where the action is. >> they're dpibeginning to get . >> my prediction is, these are not retiring senators, but i think sitting senators will go down to the white house and or go down to the well of the senate and say, enough is enough. we have to act like grown-ups and hold all of ourselves accountable. i'm not suggesting a resignation, but what i am suggestion is they're going to say loud and clear, stop it. we are grown-ups, we have to act like grown-ups, stop it. >> and what's the reaction going to be? >> i don't know. i think it depends on where the polling is with the republican base. but what i'm saying is, it's beyond that. i'm saying, don't even look at the polling. do what's right for the country. >> jason? >> so i'm jumping ahead to
december of 2018. after the midterms -- >> i'm saving this tape. >> i know. i'm not making a super bowl prediction, because we all know it's going to be the eagles. but i think december of 2018, after the midterm elections, where i think the democrats will probably take at least one house, i think we'll have at least three african-americans declare they're running for president under the democratic nomination. and i think by december of 2018, you'll have at least one republican, possibly bob corker, announce that they will primary the president of the united states. i think it's going to happen -- >> what three african-americans? >> i think you'll have deval patrick, kamala harris, cory booker. all three of them, some time after the midterms, assuming they go well for democrats, will at least throw their hat in the ring and have exploratory committees. >> and while we're not making predictions, which of the three last? i ran in '04 and people forget, that's the first time we had two blacks in the race. so who lasts? >> i think deval patrick lasts. i don't think kamala harris can last, i don't think cory booker
can last. i think deval patrick will be the most successful of the african-american candidates who will announce at the end of 20 18. >> i have a fantasy prediction, donald trump resigns, moves on, maybe chaets eats on us with a younger country, something fun like -- that's the fantasy prediction. the reality is, i am hopeful the democrats will do a good job in 2018, be united, see the progressive pragmatism from alabama apply to 2018. no hillary/bernie divide, and we we group and focus on 2020, and build the resistance to a point where we proudly stand as americans for each other, as your brothers and sisters' keerp keepers. i thought i was the preacher on this show. all this hope and come together. robert, heard jason predict three african-americans running for president. he mentioned corker on the other side. end of '18, everybody is going
to start looking to '20. who are the prospects that may challenge a donald trump if he's still there in your blind? who would give him a credible race to unseat a sitting president of their own party? >> john kasich. here's why. he's got a phenomenal record as governor of ohio, pretty good record as a member of congress where he was the budget chair. he's moderate. he's someone that ran for president before, but he is someone that a lot of republicans look to, not only for leadership, but they also look to him for policy substance and also, he's pretty charismatic. he's a blue collar conservative. ohio, he's someone that could carry that state and win it come 2020. that's what i think my money's on. >> joan, will we see a lot of women in the race for president? >> we will -- >> he mentioned kamala harris. >> i hope we do. i hope kamala runs. i hope senator gillibrand runs. i don't know if she will. >> what about senator elizabeth warren? >> and certainly -- >> i think she has re-election in '18.
>> kirsten gillibrand? >> i said i think she's at least looking at it. and i think senator warren will take it very seriously, assuming she gets through in '18, which i think she will. >> you're at "the nation," have been a progressive leader for a while. is there going to be a battle for who's the progressive leader? >> i'm afraid so. i'm afraid there will be that battle. and i don't know how it ends. if senator sanders runs, he will have a lot of credible claim to that. but i don't expect senator warren to just move aside. i don't expect -- i don't know that gillibrand will run. but i would expect her to challenge him for, you know, the mantle of progressive leader. i think bernie sanders did a lot to bring the party to the left. i wish he would join the party, especially if he's going to run again, but i think it could be the most divisive thing that happens if he actually runs. >> because we know that's always been the problem with every little subgroup is the battle for who dominates the group.
>> my grandma used to tell me this. she was involved in politics in new jersey. she always used to say, you want to be right or do you want to win? winning tastes better than being right. and democrats have gotten a taste of winning in 2017. i think that that will subsume a lot of the authenticity battles come 2018, because people realize, you don't have to be the first candidate to win. >> my mom used to say, don't get the big head when you win. and i hope the democrats don't get the big head. that does it for us. we had a lot of fun. i would like to thank our panel. they've all been terrific. we've got to go. so cue the orchestra! happy new year! i look forward to 2018 with more discussions, more debates, and another chance to bring you the revvies. >> announcer: you've been watching the 2017 revvie awards
brought to you by "politics nation" and al sharpton. thanks for watching. have a safe and happy holiday season. we'll see you next year! bln bln. good to be with you this morning and i'm happy new year's eve. i'm frances rivera in new york. alex widtt is off today. fresh intrigue on what might have prompted the russian meddling investigation and a key trump adviser's role. did it all begin at a london bar? >> the big enchilada here is the conspiracy to break into the democratic national committee in violation of the federal computer crime law. >> the