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this case. >> all right. well, thank you, steve. want to thank everybody for being with us. thank you for watching this week. hope your new year is off to a great start. certainly we want to thank everybody. show the control room quickly. i want to thank everybody on "morning joe" working hard through the holidays. working hard through every night of the year to put on the show. happy friday. thank you so much. and let's go now to stephanie ruhle who continues the news throughout the day, stephanie. >> thanks so much, joe. good morning. i'm stephanie ruhle. guess what i'm talking about, fire and fury fallout. author michael wolff breaks his silence exclusively to nbc news in a riveting interview, defiant in the face of mounting attacks from the white house. >> my credibility is being questioned by a man who has less credibility than perhaps anyone who has ever walked on earth at this point. >> you thought that was tough,
it was just the beginning. wolff says 100% of the people around the president questioned his intelligence and fitness for office. >> i will quote steve bannon, he's lost it. >> he's lost it. >> the bombshell book, distracting from another white house bombshell. "the new york times" revealing just how far the president went to try to stop jeff sessions from recusing himself in the russia probe. >> no collusion. no obstruction. >> we begin, do you really need me to tell you with what? with the most talked about book in the country. the author of fire and fury michael wolff levels more devastating charges against president trump in his first interview since the book went public. his claims, they're jaw dropping. that the president's own staff sees him as a man child and that trump's own family could be distancing themselves from him. i've got a great team here to break all of it down.
i want to start by hearing from the author himself. michael wolff spoke, as i just mentioned, exclusively to our colleague savannah guthrie at the "today" show just a few minutes ago. here's that interview. >> the book is published as of 9:00 this morning. the president's lawyer sent a cease and desist letter threatening legal action against you and the publisher. >> they sent that yesterday, before they actually had read the book, but actually what i say is where do i send the box of chocolates? >> you think he's helping you sell books? >> absolutely. not only is he helping me sell books but he's helping me prove the point of the book. i mean, this is extraordinary, that a president of the united states would try to stop the publication of a book. this doesn't happen -- has not happened from other presidents, would not even happen from a ceo of a midsized company. >> the president obviously as you know tweeted about you last night. he says, i authorized zero access to the white house, actually turned you down many
times. says he never spoke to you for the book. it's full of lies and misrepresentations that don't exist. did you to the president? >> what was i doing there if he didn't want me to be there? >> well, let me ask you did you talk to the president? did you interview him for this book? >> i absolutely spoke to the president. whether he realized it was an interview or not, i don't know. but it certainly was not off the record. >> and you spoke to him at the white house, after he was sworn in? >> i spoke to him after the inauguration, yes. and i had spoken to -- i mean, i spent about three hours with the president over the course of the campaign and in the white house. so my window into donald trump is pretty significant. but even more to the point, i spent this -- i spent -- and this was really sort of the point of the book, i spoke to people who spoke to the president on a daily, sometimes
minute by minute basis. this book was really, in a sense, there was one question on my mind when i began this book. what is it like to work with donald trump. how can you work with donald trump. and what is the -- how do you feel, having worked with donald trump. >> i want to get to the substance, what you've written in the book. but to clear this up, because the president is saying it's full of lies that you didn't have the access you said you had. >> i think one of the things we have to count on is that donald trump will attack, he will send lawyers letters. this is a 35-year history of how he approaches everything. >> do you have recordings of some of these interviews and some of these conversations? >> well, i work like every journalist works. i have recordings. i have notes. i am certainly, absolutely in every way, comfortable with everything i've reported in this
book. >> would you release any of those recordings since your credibility is being questioned? >> my credibility is being questioned by a man who has less credibility than perhaps anyone who has ever walked on earth at this point. >> before i leave it, i will say the president -- the tweet alludes to, quote, your past. i assume referring to a profile about you in 2004 in the new republic. reporter said of you the scenes in your writing aren't recreated so much as created. springing from wolff's imagination rather than actual knowledge of the facts. >> i've written many books. i've written millions upon millions of words. i don't think there has ever been one correction. >> so you stand by everything in the book? nothing made up? >> absolutely everything in the book. >> let's talk about the book itself. because one of the overarching themes is that according to your reporting, everyone around the president, senior advisers, family members, every single one of them, questions his
intelligence and fitness for office. >> let me put a marker in the sand here. 100% of the people around him. >> jared kushner, his son-in-law, ivanka trump, question his fitness for office? >> every time i -- and i want to be careful about who i spoke to because the nature of this kind of book is you kind of grant everyone a veil. but, having said that, certainly jared and ivanka in their current situation, which is in a deep legal quagmire, putting everything on the president. not us, it's him. >> what are some of the ways the president was described to you by those closest to him? >> i will tell you the one description that everyone gave. everyone has in common. they all say he is like a child. and what they mean by that, he has a need for immediate
gratification. it's all about him. this letter for the cease and -- the cease and desist letter. i still have sources in the white house. i know everybody was going, we should not be doing this, this is not smart. and he just insists. he just has to be satisfied in the moment. >> you said these senior people insults his intelligence. what are the kinds of things people would say? >> they say he's a moromoron, a idiot. there's a competition to sort of get to the bottom line here of who this man is. let's remember, this man does not read, does not listen. so he's like a -- he's like a pin ball. just shooting off the sides. >> one of the more disturbing observations you make in the book is that the president's close advisers, people around
him, have noticed him repeating stories, expression for expression you say, within a short period of time. >> in a shortened period. so they all tracked this. it used to be i know people would point out that in the beginning it was like every 25 or 30 minutes, you would get the same three stories repeated. now it's the same three stories in every ten minutes. >> what's the suggestion there? because that goes beyond saying, okay, the president's not an intellectual. what are you arguing there? you say for example he was at mar-a-lago and didn't recognize life long friends? >> i will quote steve bannon, he's lost it. >> let's talk about steve bannon. here's somebody who was on the record with you. made some pretty bold assertions. as you mentioned. has disparaged the president. yet now in the last couple days, he's a great man and nothing can separate us. what's bannon doing here?
>> i want to make -- the president has tried to put this, this book is about steve bannon, is let me say very forthrightly, this book is not about steve bannon, this book is about donald trump. for steve bannon, i spoke to steve as i spoke to many people throughout the length of the reporting here. and really saw a transformation. not only of steve, but of everyone. steve, in a way, is most vivid or his language is the most vivid. and the transformation was, you know, we thought this presidency was -- could work. we thought donald trump is an interesting unique character and we might be able to do something here. and they saw him over that time come to the conclusion he cannot do this job. >> i am out of time. but your former editor at "vanity fair" said he wasn't surprised you wrote this explosive book, he was surprised they let you in the door at the white house. are you surprised?
>> you know, no, i'm a nice guy. i go in and -- >> did you flatter your way in? >> i certainly said what was ever necessary to get the story. >> michael wolff, thank you for being here. >> wow, wow, wow. we should definitely mention nbc and msnbc have not confirmed all the details in the book. in addition, we have reached out to the white house for a response to wolff's interview and so far no one has been made available. i got to bring my panel in because they're jumping in their seatings right now. robert costa, national political reporter for "the washington post" and moderator of "washington week" on pbs. let me point this out, it's friday, it's freezing out, look at the explosive week we've just had in washington. there is nothing you want to do tonight but watch bob costa. >> you're so kind. >> tim o'brien, bloomberg. and christine quinn, vice chair of the new york state democratic party. i'm so glad you guys are all here. what a way to start the year. robert, i want to start with you. let's go inside the white house.
we have to split it up. how the book is being received. i myself just last night was speaking to speak inside the white house who are saying holy cow. this book, spirit of it, maybe not every word, but i spoke to someone who said 90% of this, this thing is true. now, the president, he certainly has a different view. you take me inside your white house. >> stephanie, i was hearing many stories over the past 24 hours from sources close to the president. they say you have to understand the context about how this all came about. president's elected last year. everyone's somewhat shocked about this development. and wolff's there and says i'm going to try to chronicle the transition. they feel like they're in a hostile environment. he seems friendly to them. they grant him access during the transition. and he just kind of hangs around. he keeps writing and talking to people. as they get more in a bunker mentality throughout 2017, wolff is still there talking to many people, developing relationships of trust with some of these
sources. and then this book project just keeps going. as it sits on the shelf in their mind, they don't realize it's a ticking time bomb politically. but that's what happened according to people close to the president. >> you got to know the context, costa. i really like that. all right, tim, i want to replay a piece of the interview that stuck out to me when michael wolff was talking about jared and ivanka. listen. >> certainly jared and ivanka in their current situation, which is a deep legal quagmire, are putting everything on the president. not us, it's him. >> now, i mentioned yesterday, i read the book because two nights ago no one knows who fed my children or put them to bed because you cannot put this down. talk about, yes, we know jared and ivanka are in a legal quagmire. they're professional also at distancing themselves. are they distancing themselves from the president here? >> i would find it very hard to believe at the end of the day that ivanka trump is going to
distance herself from her father. that just does not ring true to me. >> i'm with you there. >> i think the trumps are clannish. i think they've always stuck together. i wouldn't be surprised at the end of the day if jared kushner tried to distance himself from his father-in-law and they both may need to distance themselves from each other because jared kushner could be in a lot of trouble. >> i agree with everything you said about ivanka. we have to remember with jared, when his father went to jail and that was a very salacious case, all of the parts of it. >> the setup, the prostitute, the blackmail. >> against his brother-in-law. >> jared's father. >> the nasty politics of it all. >> right, it was terrible. jared never moved an inch away from his father and continued -- >> moved closer. >> and visited him on a regular basis in prison. so i think jared has that same kind of -- it's about the family first. >> right. i think the difference there is ivanka isn't exposed to the same kind of legal problems with mueller that jared is.
>> well, they may have to distance each other, i agree with that. >> legally. >> i don't think he'll distance from his father-in-law. >> personally. >> yes, because i think that will be a strategic move, not an emotional -- >> it could get complicated though. if we're talking about money laundering and we're talking about kushner company money laundering and trump family money laundering, which family is jared kushner going to side with? >> and jared using his position during the transition to seek favors possibly from chinese or russia financiers to bail out a failing building on fifth avenue. >> 666 fifth avenue. >> right. jared has skin in the game financially there. the issue -- one of the issues that mueller's going to look at, quid pro quos. did the trump team exchange favors like lifting sanctions in exchange for financial help. >> i'm telling you, if you wrote this in a movie script, hollywood would throw it out because it's so twisted, it's so absurd. >> it is. >> no one would believe this, but here it is, the truth right
now in 2018 in america. >> i believe it. bob costa, take me back inside the white house because wolff quoted, it's not just bannon, he quoted a string of insults that he says came from members of the inner circle. i'm talking mnuchin, mcmaster. last year, we were all aghast it was just tillerson calling the president a moron. now you've got steve mnuchin, a guy who every single time he's on tv performs what we call the fall mnuchin. how do they go back to the meeting with president trump, once the president sees all these quotes, including moron, dope, idiot, dumb-dumb? >> we're going to have to, as reporters, go back and check these quotes. it's a complicated process because much of this book is done -- not on the record, some of it is, but the reporting way of deep background. so quotes are attributed to people but sourced in an anonymous way. this kind of book, that's how it
seems to be done these days. it's hard to pinpoint a quote on people. a lot of these quotes are attributed verbatim. that's going to complicate people's political status within the administration. we've seen some quotes attributed to katie walsh, one of the political advisers, already cause some discussion inside the white house about her role. she denies saying those sorts of things. i think this kind of debate about what was really said was wolff taking things and spinning them, are they totally accurate? this is going to be a deliberate that continues and has real cost for a white house trying to stabilize itself. >> where's the burden of proof? tim, if michael wolff ends up having hours and hours of tapes, whether or not they were authorized, i mean, the president is simply saying this book is filled with lies. >> well, the one thing that is indisputable here is that steve bannon has not disavowed any of the quotes attributed to him. all of the other sort of shenanigans inside that book,
whether all of them are correctly reported, michael wolff's methods, are all an issue. but one of the larger things going on here and why it rings true is that this confirms a lot of the reporting that institutions like "the washington post" and nbc and "the new york times" and bloomberg have been doing over last year. we know that is an apocalypt apocalyptically inept white house. he is a 7-year-old. and everything that you're seeing in this narrative confirms a lot of other reporting that's already been out there. >> joe scarborough said the same thing. joe scarborough said this is information we've all heard for months and months on deep background, now all put out there in one con size book. much tch attributed to people whose names are there. >> this book isn't as much investigative as it is confirmtive. this book says to the american public everything you've heard
is true, i saw it. we have it out of bannon's mouth. enough anonymous quotes to put an exclamation point at the end of the season and that's what this book really does. >> last night, my colleague, chuck todd, spoke to sam nunnburg about breitbart news. steve bannon. and the relationship bannon and breitbart have with the president. i want to share that. >> they're symbioticic in a weird way. breitbart, in a lot of ways, whether people like it or not, is the conscience of the trump presidency. it's the conscience of conservative nationalism, and it's not going to go anywhere. >> what does this do to the president and steve and breitbart? >> it's a really treacherous situation right now for bannon, both personally and professionally. because the two camps that have elevated him to prominence on the national stage, breitbart
and president trump, they're now both really considering his status. one's at war. president trump's going to battle against bannon. on today's front page of "the washington post," my colleagues and i reported that inside of breitbart they're debating his own future at breitbart. bannon is determined to stay. he's making plans to host a radio show on sirius in the coming days. rebecca mercer, one of the major benefact benefactors, has walked away from bannon with a rare public statement of rebuke. that's a turn in the relationship. a significant one. >> she is. i would like to point out some of my own reporting. merser in that statement says she hasn't had contact with bannon for many months. on october 18, 2017, so that's 2 1/2 months ago, she hosted a cocktail party at her home on the upper west side of new york city where steve bannon was a prominent guest and she was introducing steve around at that party to different people in new york city who had never met him and was comb playmenting throughout, saying what a great
voice he was and a member of the republican party. so clearly things have changed. it's somewhat disingenuous to say they haven't had contact for many months. i'd say october 18th was just a couple months ago. tim, i ask you, i want to show some video of a book store in washington, d.c. that's selling the book. this thing is flying off the shelves like hotcakes. now, how much of a -- yes, of course, in d.c., this thing is going to be so hot. it's going to be so hot in new york. it's going to be so hot in l.a. but take me across the country. what kind of impact will this book, will this message have to the rest of the country? i remember before president trump was elected, he would talk about the obama administration. he would say the rest of the world is laughing at us. what do you think the country and the world will say after this book? will they notice? >> i think people -- the core trump supporters will always be core trump supporters. they're not going to read any book and maybe any news article that's critical of him. i think this is the kind of book that confirms what a lot of
people who are concerned about the trump white house already suspected. >> and it doesn't do anything. if it confirms what we already think, and there are lots of people who don't believe it, and lots of people who simply don't care, it doesn't actually change the game. >> it informs how other people begin to frame the trump presidency and continue to frame the trump presidency. there's been this effort to sort of say, well, maybe he'll evolve or he'll get some adult handlers in there. and they will become more sophisticated about policy and procedure. and the reality is, it's romper room. >> it's not changing. and that i think is noteworthy to the american public. i also think you have to think about this book in the context of the midterm elections. we're moving a small group of americans to a different side of vote is the game. this book i believe will help with those folks who are already, as we've seen in alabama and virginia, starting to question the president. >> maybe it's about voter
turnout. bob costa, last point. >> when you read this book, we've picked up a couple copies at the post, you realize this man is such an outsider in the american political system that even the people closest to him inside of the white house can't really comprehend what he's trying to do, his own mission. help has these instincts of populism and can be offensive on certain matters, but it's just striking how few people around him understand what he's trying to do in his operating style. >> guess what, the guy did win the election. >> exactly. >> he got tax reform done. we're going to look at where the stock market opens in a minute and i have a feeling it's going to be a very good number. when the economy does well, a lot of people forgive a lot of other sins. great conversation. box i know what i'm going to do tonight, i'll be watching you. coming up, a new bok shell in the russia investigation. new reports about just how far those around the president went to try and stop attorney general jeff sessions from recusing
did it anyway. i want to bring in national security reporter kenny d., ken delanian. as well as my panel, o'brien, quinn. what have you sources told us about this? walk us through. >> a u.s. official has partially confirmed to us, reporting what first broke last night in "the new york times," which is before jeff sessions recused himself from the russia investigation in march, white house counsel dan mcgann and other white house officials called him to try to persuade him not to do that. "the times" and other organizations are saying donald trump personally directed this lobbying campaign because trump did not want sessions to recuse himself. the reason that's important is because it figures in robert mueller's investigation of whether trump obstructed justice. "the times" has a very detailed reporting that trump really believed his attorney could protect him from the russia investigation. and "the times" goes further and suggests that trump cited the russia investigation into a draft letter that was intended
to fire comey. that line did not appear in the letter. we know trump cited an entirally different rationale. and then told him it was another. so more evidence muler is amassing into his investigation into whether donald trump sought to obstruct justice. >> "new york times" pushes it even further as far as mcgann pushing sessions to not recuse himself, and they say it was upon the president's instructions. >> that's right. >> tim, what does that mean for both mcgann -- even take the president out, for mcgann? the white house lawyer pushing the attorney general, do not recuse yourself? i mean this is basic ethics. >> the same don mcgann who had a conversation with sally yates about her concerns about michael flynn's behavior. and dismissed it essentially. didn't see it as a big issue. i think we all have a lot to be concerned about when the white
house's own counsel lacks the good judgment to push back initially when the president has bad ideas that may border on obstruction of justice. >> does this go back to the president's -- and i'm not saying this in an insulting way, he's a novice in terms of politics, but lack of understanding when it comes to three equal parts of government? i mean, "the new york times" has in there that the president doesn't understand why the attorney general isn't protecting him. it is not the attorney general's job to protect the president of the united states. >> i think it's more significant that he doesn't understand the three branches of government. i don't -- i think donald trump thinks everything, every day, is about him. and every person he sees and employs and surrounds him work for him exclusively. >> he says "my judges" -- >> right, so he doesn't -- i think he could never understand the three branches of government because i don't think he understands that the world isn't spinning on its axis, only for him. so it's a much deeper issue.
i think the problem -- you hit it right on the head. no one will stand up to him and say are you nuts? this is unethical. it's a violation of the structure of government. it's simply wrong if the highest lawyer in the country says i have to recuse myself to try to change that judgment, that there's no one who has the authority to push back. >> you know that quote in there, where he says where's my roy cohen? think about that. >> disbarred. roy cohen has the portrait of bad ethics. >> ambassador to how to get things done in manhattan. they were tied at the hip. steve bannon inherited that when trump went to washington. he wants people to do his bidding. >> you know who has fixers? mob bosses. >> donald trump is used to trying to interview -- >> yes, 100%.
>> -- did regulatory, legal and financial structures. he's done it his whole career. >> that's what he tried to do always in new york city policies and government. he's a pick up the phone guy, get it done and assumes it's going to happen. whether it's a violation of the law. whether it's unethical. whether it's against the zoning code. irrelevant. doesn't matter. >> thank goodness for the free press. all right. we got to turn. happening now, the market just opened moments ago. you know, it's been a strong market. as you can see, it is reacting to the jobs report which was released an hour ago. stocks are up. in december, the u.s. economy added 148,000 jobs, lower than expected, with the unemployment rate staying at 4.1%. this final report closes out president trump's first year in office when more than 2 million jobs were added and unemployment dropped over half a point. i want to bring in cnbc's don chu. let's just talk quickly about the president's first year. we need to remember, since the
financial crisis, which was when president obama was elected, we've seen the market steadily climb, climb, climb. after president trump was elected, it has been super charged on the promise of deregulation and tax cuts, which are happening. now here we are with the jobs report. how do you read it? >> so the jobs report in essence, i've spoken to -- and i've heard from a number of different economists or traders and investors. both on the more liberal and kns size of the political spectrum. the general consensus is even though this jobs report is below consensus estimates, it is still growth in jobs. so people are saying this is a positive jobs report. more americans are working. unemployment is still holding steady at that very low 4.1% rate. it's better than it was. it was 4.7, 4.8, when president trump took over. as more americans are getting to work, we could see the pace of these gains and jobs start to slow. because according to the data at least, and not anecdotically, the data suggests that we are at
very, very high levels of employment and low levels of unemployment. basically the data saying that more americans are working. so as more americans start to work, you'll start to see some of those job gains maybe slow down a bit. >> talk to us about wages, though. because unemployment isn't the issue. we have been at full employment basically since the president -- president obama handed president trump an economy where we were at full employment. the issue is that companies have gotten so efficient, they've got us all working part-time jobs. wages are capped. you might have a job at whole foods but it's for 31 hours a week and you can't get yourself any benefits. when are we actually going to see the wage impact? because at any other time in the economy, you would see wages notch higher and they simply haven't in any significant way yet. >> no, stephanie, that's a great point. the thing that many people are looking for on wall street and elsewhere on main street especially is when is my paycheck going to get bigger? there's no doubt that wage growth has been stagnant.
it is now year over year 2 1/2% higher. that means that yes, it is slightly higher, but nobody feels as though it's really doing anything to improve their situation in life. when you have levels of employment like we have right now, assuming you trust the data, which i do. i don't believe that the data is false in anyway. i don't believe it was under president obama. i don't believe it is under president trump. i believe that the hard working people at the labor department put out accurate numbers. if that is the case, the next step is for people to start seeing a slight uptick in wages. what's interesting, the folks at research partners actually did a count for the number of companies they saw announcing either these one-time bonuses or expansion in pay packages, that sort of thing. they counted 85 so far since the tax code has kind of been put into place, right, passed into law and then talked about more fully. if that were to happen, you should start to see people get wage increases. if you do not, that should be a real cause for concern. but for right now, like millions of americans out there, your
situation may feel better, but you're not seeing a huge tick in your wages. if that were to change, that could be a real game changer for the economy. and it could drive some real growth ahead. as consumers start to spend a little bit more of the money they would hypothetically get in those bigger paychecks. >> people who just saw their wages go up, we've seen the minimum wage go up. in some states, that's a positive. we need to point out nearly half of the u.s. population has zero dollars and zero cents invested in the stock market. so this may trickle down and be a positive for everyone. but it's certainly not yet. it's actually what led to the rise of the trump voter when president obama was touting the market. many people in parts of the country who are not invested in the market said hey, what about me? and those people pushed forward and really became that outspoken forgotten american trump voter. that trump voter is looking to benefit. he or she has not yet benefited from this rise in market. >> here in new york city i run a homeless service organization for women and children,
families. >> they don't own stocks. >> they don't. and 51% of our homeless mothers are working. that goes to wages. they're working sometimes two jobs and can't pay the rent. >> can't pay the rent. you know why else? because they cannot afford child care in this country. >> right. >> that is something we're going to focus on this year. child care. you want women to go back to work? give them affordable child care. coming up, the author behind the controversial book "fire and fury" takes on his critics with some sharp words for president trump. >> i will quote steve bannon, he's lost it. >> and that might be one of the softest things he said. moments ago, president trump responded. guess where? on twitter. mom let me know she'd always be there for me. and she was.
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welcome back. more on the explosive and exclusive nbc news interview with michael wolff. this morning, the author did not mince words after the president said the author had zero access to the white house. >> my credibility is being questioned by a man who has less credibility than perhaps anyone who has ever walked on earth at this point. >> moments ago, the president tweeted, well, now that collusion with russia is
proving to be a total hoax and the only collusion is with hillary clinton and the fbi/russia. the fake news media, parenthesis mainstream, and this phony new book are hitting out at every
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winning an election. for the record, nbc news has not confirmed michael wolff's reporting but there's so much to dig into. i want to bring my panel back. i start with you. i want to point out, the editor and part owner of the hollywood reporter was on "morning joe" earlier. she was at -- i read the book. she was at that dinner last january where roger ailes was, steve bannon, wolff. she says she was blown away with how candid those guys were, how much access they gave michael. fast forward, we certainly see it in the book. i have to bring you back, though. we talked about it before. because i can't even get my head around it. how wolff says people describe the president. people inside the white house. >> they all say he is like a child. it's all about him. they say he's a moron, an idiot.
he's like a -- he's like a pin ball, just shooting off the sides. i will quote steve bannon, he's lost it. >> so you've written a book on president trump. you know president trump. president trump can easily deny any of this. he denied the "access hollywood" tape last month when he was clearly on it and he admitted so last year. if there are tapes, how do these people go back and work for this president? will president trump forgive them? will he accept it? will he blow them out? >> i don't think he'll forgive most of them. i think his relationship with steve bannon is at an end. >> bannon it's over. i mean the ones, i mean like the mnuchins of the world who may have said nasty things. what's going to happen to them? >> this is only going to exacerbate what's already going on. you have a white house that's essentially a nest of back biters. they don't trust one another. this only further throws fuel on
that particular fire. anybody who spent a lot of time with donald trump knows that the portrait of donald trump in this book is accurate. whether or not, you know, michael wolff's methods and other, you know, points of criticism in the book aside, what is coming out of this is a very accurate picture of a man who is not disciplined. >> that's sort of what wolff said. he made a point to sell savannah guthrie this book is not about steve bannon, it's about the president. listen. >> this book is not about steve bannon. this book is about donald trump. steve, in a way, is most vivid or his language is the most vivid. and the transformation was, you know, we thought this presidency was -- could work. we thought donald trump is an interesting unique character. and we might be able to do something here. and they saw him over that time come to the conclusion he cannot
do this job. >> children are slappy. children make lots of mistakes. when children tell lies, they cover them up, they cover them up, and the cover-up is terrible. does this book leave a trail for robert mueller? >> i think it does. i mean, i think it certainly gives meat i would assume to things he was looking at, which is to say let's look into that more clearly, and may throw some new bread crumbs out there for them to follow. look, one thing we know for sure is that mueller's going to run this investigation to ground. he's not -- >> for sure. >> he's not going to leave anything untouched. i think this book adds a lot more to what he should be looking at. >> my number one read yesterday was tim o'brien's piece where you wrote, steve bannon says you realize where this investigation is going. this is all about money laundering. mueller chose senior prosecutor wiseman first and he's a money laundering guy. their path to trump goes right through pana for the, don sqr and jared kushner. it's plain as the hair on your
face. speak to that. >> steve bannon is a street fighter. he's very -- >> so's trump. >> right. that's one of the reason they're tied at the hip. >> steve's actually the fighter. i think trump is more the director of the street fighter. >> the gang leader. >> jared kushner is not a street fighter. don jr.'s not a street fighter. jared kushner who says he's a businessman. he's a business heir. >> bannon understands how power works. bannon understands that the mueller investigation, even if it starts and is launched around collusion with the kremlin, is going to expand in many directions beyond that. one of the things that is the most dangerous to the trump family and the kushner families is an investigation into their financial dealings that touches on money laundering. they're vulnerable on this. it's going to have consequences. mueller has a very sophisticated team of financial bloodhounds working with him and they're going to get at this. >> is team trump underestimating
the power of mueller? >> yes. >> here you are this morning with the president saying this russian thing is a hoax. you're going, hoax? do you remember what's going on with mike flynn, paul manafort, george papadopoulos? >> he's been very successful, we have to give him, during the campaign and at the beginning of his presidency of denying things that are true. >> yes, for sure. >> and then it sticking. so i think he puts the mueller investigation into that same kind of a category. >> that's a great point. >> but it's beyond that. >> but in the news cycle, people can hear what they want to hear. if a law is broken -- robert mueller doesn't care what we say on tv. >> no, that's right. >> bannon said the trump white house are people sitting on a beach, not understanding there's a category 5 hurricane coming towards them. >> well, well, well. he also said don jr.'s head is going to crack like an egg on national tv. that's a rough image. okey dokey. up next, republican senators blast the attorney general jeff sessions for his war on marijuana. i'm going to say that again. republican, republican senators. but that is not stopping pot entrepreneurs including one
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a states rights decision. he used federal power to go after states that legalize marijuana. what i would like to know from the attorney general is, what has changed? >> that was republican senator corey gardner of the state of colorado calling out the administration for going back on its word. attorney general jeff sessions stoked the embers of the country's unsettled pot laws yesterday when he issued a memo, tamping down on the obama-era policies that directed the marijuana prosecution. this has many in california worried, some panicked, for his extraordinary series, "pot gold rush," jacob soberoff met those whose future could be at risk. >> reporter: businesses are now springing up than just doing more than selling smoke, like this california nail salon. this nail salon offers a legal
manicure and pedicure that doesn't get you high but incorporates an oil found in cannabis. >> reporter: here we go. there's no turning back now. what do most people say to you about getting a canicure? >> it is very relaxing. >> reporter: what part do most people like when you do all this? >> the feet area. they still love it. >> reporter: that was pretty good, actually. some of the salons regular customers were curious about the treatment i got. my arms and legs both feel tingly. can i ask you a question? do you smoke pot? >> no. >> reporter: would you do this even though you don't smoke pot? >> yeah. >> reporter: because? >> i like the tingly feeling. >> caller: you like the tingly feeling. >> what we have here is a tuscan white and bean soup. >> reporter: this catering business creates recipes with crushed cannabis. >> this is the crushed cannabis i have. it's been simmering here for four hours already. >> reporter: the amount that you
use, just depends on how high you want to get? >> yep. i tend to go a little lighter in my recipes because i like to micro-dose. >> reporter: micro-dose meaning, take a little bit at a time? so you don't even get completely faded? >> well, it's not to go to the moon. >> reporter: the goal is not to go to the moon when cooking with cannabis. >> this is cannabis oil drizzled on top. >>reporter: they hope to capitalize on the recreational use of marijuana and legalization of use in food. >> there's so much focus on food. i think we'll see tons of cannabis cuisine. >> it should extend to more helg thy options. >> reporter: are we going to see jamba juice with cannabis one day? >> i would love that. >> it allows users to get on-demand marijuana. >> reporter: some users never touch pot since it is estimated to cost an additional $560 per
pound to comply with state regulations for handling cannabis. >> users simply download the app and then you're able to shop and then delivery drive will arrive on average in 20 to 30 minutes. >> reporter: so you have a -- this is a delivery weed app and someone will show up to where you are in 20 minutes? >> correct. this is the command center where we man all the operations. on average, with ee do a delive every minute throughout the entire state. >> reporter: this simply connects buyers with dispensaries and hopes his business will boom in the move to recreational pot. what did you do before? >> i was a supervisor for ups. >> reporter: ups. when you told your friends and family i'm getting into the marijuana business, what did they say? >> they thought i was crazy. but after they see this, i don't think they will. >> reporter: christian i just noticed across the street there's a ups delivery truck. there's two of them right there. do you see a day when there's going to be e's delivery trucks
of that size driving around the state of california? >> definitely. maybe something even better. >> reporter: lots of money riding on this. i talked to steve deangelis, yes, the entrepreneur, the guy with the braids, he said what jeff sessions is doing is scaring off investments from this. and the canadian publicly traded companies took a huge dive yesterday. not good for these guys. >> jacob sober haoff just did aa segment and pot segment without inviting me. >> you're inviting. >> that's not how we roll. the author of the report on jeff sessions recusing himself is joining us straight ahead. and what's the secret to turning a no into a yes? do you know how to network like a champ? and which is a good time to have some fun in the office? i'm jj ramberg, i've got some
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before we go, there's got to be good news somewhere. and this is excellent. a school in texas made a plea for 50 surrogate dads to help out at a breakfast for dads at their school. the concern is many of the kids wouldn't have a father. the school didn't get 50, but instead 600 volunteer dads showed up to support the boys. i love that story. hats off to the event organizer and school administrators who made that event a success. in december, i was in a situation where my husband was away and i was practically recruiting dudes on the side of the road. and luckily it worked out for me. and i'm so glad it worked out
for all those kids. and those great dads were men in the state of texas. that wraps up this hour. i'm stephanie ruhle. i'll be back at 11:00. now to my friend and colleague, hallie jackson. the house probably hopes the next 51 looks nothing like this one. nbc news confirmed that part of a bombshell/new york times highlights the russia investigation. the times says president trump personally ordered a white house lawyer to stop jeff sessions from recusing himself. nbc news has learned from a u.s. official that don mcgann, that lawyer and other officials asked sessions not to recuse, ultimately, he did. so coming up, we'll go through what the special counsel knows about it, what you need to know about it, and what the reporter behind the story is working on next. he's here and only here live. also, only on msnbc, the author of that