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headquarters in new york. president trump offered a message of hope to his evan evangelical followers. so far republicanss in democrats can agree on only one thing. if there's a shutdown, it's the other guy who is to blame. the house agreed on a spending bill. jeff bennett, i want to start with the man who made the trip down pennsylvania avenue from the capitol to the white house. that being chuck schumer. what do we know about this last-minute meeting between president trump and minority leader? >> we know that in just about's last hour, david, president trump reached out to senator schumer, the leader of senate democrats, invited him to the white house. senator schumer is now here. my colleague hallie jackson saw him just outside the west wing. asked if he might be able to broker some sort of deal, too void a government shutdown. the response from senator schumer is, i hope so. what's interesting about this is just earlier, just a few hours
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ago, we heard from a couple of white house officials, including mick mulvaney, the director of the office of management and budget. he was preemptively shoveling blame for this shutdown that hasn't happened yet onto democrats saying they haven't been specific about just what they want. we know they want a deal to enshrine daca protections into law. but he said beyond that, no real legislative text. take a look. >> the bill simply is not ready. you don't get to vote on a summary. there have been months of work on it as you see with any major legislation. it doesn't and shouldn't come together overnight. there's no daca bill to vote on. and there's no emergency in terms of the timing on daca. daca does not expire until march 5th. so there is absolutely no reason to tie these two things together right now. >> on that specific point you heard mick mulvaney say there's no emergency. that's one of the details on which democrats disagree. they have guidance from three former dhs chiefs who say the deadline to pass some sort of
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fix for daca is today, january 19th, because those former dhs chiefs say in order for the agency to implement whatever congress decides to pass, they'll need about three months to do that in order to meet the march 5th self-imposed deadline from president trump. so that is perhaps one of the very many details that senator schumer and the president will hash out. >> you've outlined some of the contours of this blame game. i wonder what we know of the white house's position here. it's been fuzzy as it has been in the past when it comes to big policy issues. do we know what the president wants out of that meet with chuck schumer in terms of what he'd like to see happen over the next 11 hours. >> that's the big question. what does the president think he can get from this meeting that will also be something that republicans can get behind? and beyond that, we know one of the reason yes the president keeps coming back to this issue of the wall, he wants to have funding for the wall, is because he's getting guidance from republicans in the white house but also on the hill that, no, that folks who make up his conservative base, some of them,
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view protections for daca recipients as amnesty. if that's the case, the president has to come out of these talks with something he can then take back to his base and say, look, i have something to show for it. the president seems to think that's wall funding. this is the crux of the issue with the government set to run out of money, in just, what, less than 11 hours. >> garrett haake, let me turn to you on capitol hill. what have we heard from lawmakers. we don't have a timeline for the first vote in the series. what are lawmakers saying about the prospects for a shutdown as you make your way around capitol hill? >> this is politics 101 right now. both sides trying to find a way to claim a victory here to get out of this shutdown mess. nobody likes the idea of a continuing resolution. democrats hate the idea of seeing it without some sort of fix for daca but there just isn't a bill right now that can go to the floor. the republicans don't want to see this government shut down. they don't want to see any kind of additional baggage dumped in here on the back end.
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everyone in this building right now is looking down the road towards the white house. the question has been all week, what is the president willing to agree to. what is the president willing to sign onto. and even republicans are saying, we need presidential leadership on this issue now. i talked to lindsey graham a short time ago. he's been central in this debate. and the negotiations over daca and what to do about these d.r.e.a.m.ers. here's what he had to say. >> all i can say is the president has to decide what he wants for phase one. we need a white house that can make a decision and stick to it. the tom cotton approach has no viability here. he's become sort of the steve king of the senate. >> you see lindsey graham throwing his colleague, republican senator tom cotton of arkansas, under the bus there. they are on opposite ends of the ideological picture when it comes to immigration. if he's alone with the president
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one on one, that's probably going to make the tom cottons of the world nervous based on how we know this president makes decisions about these policy issues. by having these people in the room with him. >> garrett, very quickly here, we're focused on the senate and what's going to happen on the senate floor over the next few hours. the house is still on capitol hill and they are in some focus here as well. talk they might head home in light of the 230 to 117 vote yesterday. 197 vote yesterday. they'll stick around. what's the latest from the house from the other side of the hill. >> this is an interesting wrinkle. the house always has this little brother problem where they get jammed by the senate. the senate says it can't work here and shoves something back on them they don't like. the original plan looked like it was going to be that the house was going to have their last mop-up votes for the week this morning and then send their members back home. later in the day, we heard, you know what? actually stick around. there might be some additional votes here. some of that is purely political, if this government were to shut down and the house has gone home, it's not a very good look.
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but some of it is sort of practical and intriguing in the sense that it suggests at least some house leadership think it's possible the senate sends something back to them other one this one-month extension. we have no idea what that is. we're 11 hours from a shutdown and no votes scheduled on any piece of legislation in the united states senate. >> that garrett haake and jeff bennett. we'll come back to you as often as we can, especially jeff at the white house, where chuck schumer is meeting with president trump. how does a shutdown affect the average american? consider some of the effects of the last shutdown in october 2013. according to a white house report, shortly after that shutdown, epa inspections were halted at about 1200 cites. the cdc had to cut back on flu season surveillance and monitoring. no new social security apps were processed. they process about 60,000 a day. the everify system to determine applicants immigration status was closed buhn. irs furloughs delayed more than
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$1 million in loan and mortgage applications. delayed more than 850 fda inspections and fda approval of medical products, devices and drugs. and delayed more than 4 billion in tax refunds as well as the start of the new tax season. this time, however, they promise the national parks would be open. staff remains an open question. joining me is jake scherman, hugh hewitt and we were talking about the blame game taking place over the last 24 hours. walk us through the calculus that democrats in particular face as all of this proceeds. >> i want to say at the top that it looks like if schumer is going to the white house with the president, which he is, and we all know that at this point, i would imagine there is something in the offing. something that schumer has to offer or that trump and schumer spoke about beforehand and that this is going to bring us closer
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to a resolution and away from a government shutdown. that being said, democrats and republicans are both dug in. republicans believe quite clearly that their bill, which extends government funding for 28 days and has a whole host of other issues including solving children's health insurance is a no brainer. democrats agree on the substance and can see they'll work on a big immigration deal after this passes. democrats believe republicans control all of government. they owe the american people. they says they want an immigration deal and they've been putting it off too long and need to act on it. those are the two polls. and rarely have a seen two sides both as dug in as they are and as sure about their political position as they are. it's very strange. usually it's very clear what side is going to be held responsible. right now, according to people on both sides, it's not that clear. >> hugh hewitt, i want to ask about these two principles. donald trump and chuck schumer. they've had a relationship. i don't know if i'll call it a
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friendship. they've been contemporaries and friends professionally for some time. what are you watching for as this meeting unfolds at the white house? what are you going to be listening for when they emerge from that meeting? >> i think schumer may walk out in a barrel, david. i think he's really stepped on a rake here. all morning long, mcconnell, cornyn, paul ryan, have been using the #schumershutdown in an attempt to assign blame for a shutdown should it occur tonight to chuck schumer since everything in the bill the house sent over are matters on which there is agreement between democrats and republicans. chuck schumer just wanted more. he went a bridge too far in the demands for the daca recipients beyond just staying here. he wanted them to be able to bring in their families and other things. he did not want to build the wall. i think donald trump has got him over a barrel. and i like the bifurcation between the media saying donald trump doesn't know what he's doing and he's the devil inkarnate and does spells on people is very funny to watch.
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i think chuck schumer going to the white house did not help chuck schumer. if the government shuts down tonight, it's chuck schumer's fault. >> hugh hewitt, i want to go back to september when elaine duke wrote this memo in which she started the rollback of daca. in light of what you just said can't you trace the history back to that point that we're at least in some capacity where we are because donald trump's administration started that process in motion? >> no, i think it goes back to the illegal executive order that the president, prior to trump, president obama signed about the delayed action for these children. now i think the resolution's in front of us. i've talked to a lot of republican senators and members. there is widespread unanimity to let the daca recipients stay in the united states, provided they do not have violence or criminality in their past but that they do not have rights to bring in their family members, provided it's coupled with border security to prevent another influx of unaccompanied minors into the united states. there's broad consensus.
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chuck schumer has rejected that. at the same time, the discussion that happened was so awful in the white house that we got off the rails that might have brought us to the middle point. i go back to president obama usurping the law. that's where it got started but we have a problem. it can be fixed. there's general consensus. it's just will the democrats take yes for an answer? >> there's also the issue of governance coming into fine focus as the debates continue on capitol hill and at the white house. a huge element is congress being able to do its job. when you look at lawmakers, republican and democrat, who were not in favor of another continuing resolution, what you hear is some real frustration, the way business is supposed to be conducted in washington and on capitol hill isn't being done that way. how valid a point is that in your estimation? >> it is a valid point. and it is sort of counterintuitive they're willing to shut the government down as opposed to continuing resolutions because that's bad governance and bad for the
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military. it brings more uncertainty and more dysfunction. but there is a real pushback from republicans in the unified republican government to the way this is going. basically it's very clear that at the end of 2017, republican leadership used all of their energy to try to close the deal on tax reform because of a christmas deadline set by president trump. they succeeded in doing that and put everything off until now. i would say, though, as bad as this looks from the outside, it is just as bad on the inside and the private conversations. and i'll disagree with hugh because republicans are very nervous about the prospect of democratic leader chuck schumer going to a one on one meeting with president trump. without someone like senator tom cotton or one of their representatives, one of their immigration hawks, if you will, the ones opposed to the president doing a daca deal with democrats with no republican in the room. because of the fact that president trump takes different positions on the same day and is
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not a fair broker when it comes to negotiations. he often changes his mind. doesn't remember what he said or changes his mind about what he said and changes positions. and it's making people on the hill very nervous right now that they are having a one on one discussion. >> hugh hewitt, respond to that. first this tweet from the president this morning. government funding bill last night in the house of representatives. now democrats are needed if it's to pass in the senate. but they want illegal immigration, weak borders, shutdown coming. what's most important to me is , we need more republican victories in 2018. she's talking about a unified government, having republicans control the government, the white house and still lo and behold, here we are. as the president looks ahead to the midterms in 2018, how much does this situation complicate things? you have republicans controlling these two branches of government and still a whole lot of nothing being done? >> i am not worried at all about what's going on in the last person he talks to because i am pretty certain the last person the president can talk to about this is chief of staff kelly. and there are phones in the
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white house. i think he'll call up tom cotton. the senator with whom the president has the closest relationship, i believe. i think he'll call up mike pompeo and talk to jim mattis. he'll talk to the people he talks to routinely about big decisions. including his family members. so i don't worry about chuck schumer tying up in knots. i've talked to a number of republicans this very morning. they are not budging in the house. they aren't. and donald trump wants one thing out of this, which is a wall. whether we call it a fence, a barrier or something else, he wants between 700 and 1,000 miles of wall. donald trump loses if this deal at the end, whether in three days or a week, does not have border security that includes that wall. if it's in there, he wins. for him, that's the north star. >> jake sherman, i'm going to ask you about the currency of assurances in washington today. the currency of assurances on capitol hill in particular. the jentsleman from south dakota, the republican senator, he is going to support the cr, he says. in a statement he says, i've
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agreed to support the continuing resolution after receive assurances that funding to adequately fund our troops will be considered in the house and senate in a timely manner. we've seen this happen time and time again. how much are assurances worth that the congress will do something in the future? how much does that matter to lawmakers in d.c.? >> i guess it depends on your definition of timely manner. mr. rounds is a republican and republicans control both chambers in the white house. so they can move on that kind of promise of any time. now this entire crisis, of course, is about promises. it's about promises that both democratic leadership and republican leadership have made to fix the immigration system that they believe is broken. it's about promises to fund the government for an entire year and i think it's a widespread feeling here on capitol hill among republicans and democrats that no one is living up to their promises. so assurances in some matter in some respects are not worth much, but everything in washington takes time if you think it's going to take a
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month, it's going to take six. and we -- these kinds of deadline days, shut down being on the brink, is not -- these are not foreign to us. we've been through these a lot in the last decade or so. so, yes, assurances are probably a declining currency, but they still mean a little bit of something. >> a.b. stoddard, i'll have you weigh in on this as well. do you think the worth is diminished? are lawmakers going to be less likely to take the white house up on promises like the one mr. rounds did today? >> as i said, because of the meeting last week where there was a promise of a bill of love and answer to senator feinstein about perhaps even a clean daca bill and the president saying he'd take the heat for both parties, provide the leadership where he could bring people to the table to say yes because he would take the heat for them. obviously, turned into s-hole gate within 48 hours and we've seen what's happened since. so the problems are senator flake was given assurances at the time of the tax reform vote
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about a daca deal. senator collins assurances at the time of the tax reform vote about a stabilization package. those assurances did not pan out. so people are a little nervous these days about what is being said at these meetings over a deal. and that's why the senator schumer/president trump meeting today will be interesting in terms of what it reveals that they decide together. >> we're continuing to watch that. a.b. stoddard, jake sherman and hugh hewitt. you can watch hugh's show on msnbc tomorrow morning at 8:00 a.m. a legal longshot. the uncommon step the trump administration wants the supreme court to take on daca. in the last hour, president trump shared a message with people taking part in an anti-abortion march in washington. he talked about his first year in office but not the government shutdown that is just hours away. much more to come here on msnbc.
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welcome back. i'm david gura. inside the white house right now, president trump meet with democrat chuck schumer talking about how to avert a shutdown that would take place just before midnight tonight. senator lindsey gram who we've been following throughout the day had that great interview with garrett haake a little while ago saying why he's not going to be supporting the continuing resolution. tweeting moments ago. glad to see potus real donald trump and senator schumer sitting down and talking. welcome news to millions of
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americans, daca recipients. let's see if two new yorkers can agree on a deal good for usa. i believe in america anything is possible. that from lindsey graham of south carolina. one of the sticking points about a government shutdown is daca. and at the same time, the department of justice is now asking the supreme court to rule on daca. the action taken last night asked the high court to pibypasa federal appeals court which affects about 800,000 undocumented individuals who were brought to the united states. pete williams has the details. what's happened here since this ninth circuit court decision was handed down just about a week ago? >> actually a district court decision but the government appeal to the ninth circuit and once it placed a marker there, it used that to ricochet on up to the supreme court which the rules allow someone to try, but, in fact, the supreme court rarely grants this. they want to wait for the appeals court to rule before they take the case almost owls. in the last century i counted
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about a dozen times where the supreme court allowed someone to do this to go directly to the supreme court from a district court opinion and those cases involve things like the steel strike or coal strike or some national emergency. the legal argument about president nixon's tapes during the watergate scandal. so it's not impossible. it rarely happens but lightning could strike. what will happen next is the challengers who prevailed in the lower court will respond. they've got 30 days and the government has ten more days. so we're not going to hear anything out of the supreme court for at least well over a month. meantime, the original deadline on which daca was supposed to expire, march 5th, will have passed. and the lower court ruling remains in effect. blocking the government from stopping daca. now interestingly, david, the trump administration did not ask the supreme court as it did in all the travel ban cases for a stay. to stay the effect, block the effect of the lower court order
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here and let the government go ahead and continue to shut daca down. what they say in their filing in the supreme court is they try to do this in an orderly way and stopping and starting and turning it on and off doesn't do anybody any good. daca will be around for at least another month, maybe a little more than that. even if the supreme court agrees to hear this case, the earliest it could decide it is several months from now. so at least as it appears right now, daca isn't going anywhere. >> pete williams, thank you very much. our justice correspondent on that latest wrinkle with regard to daca. right now thousands of abortion opponents have gathered for the 45th annual march for life. the largest anti-abortion event. president trump addressed the crowd via satellite. first time a president has done that. >> americans are more and more pro life. you see that all the time. in fact, only 12% of americans support abortion on demand at any time. under my administration, we will
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always defend the very first right in the declaration of independence. and that is the right to life. >> my colleague ali vitaly joins me from the march on the national mall in washington. what are participants in the march telling you about how those words from president trump resonated with them? >> good to be with you. we are in the middle of this crowd. they're about to start marching to the supreme court. it's the 45th year they're doing this march. and this year, the president, obviously, making a little history becoming the first to -- via satellite. that was very well received here. big cheers erupted from the crowd. you could even see some trump/pence campaign signs over the crowd. in addition to those more pro-abortion signs [ inaudible ] and most of the people that i spoke to here says they were happy not only that the president was there to appear before them and talk to them but also the policies he's
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undertaking. the like the conservative justices. that's something i heard from a lot of folks throughout the campaign and now as the president goes on the campaign trail. people talk about the fact they like the conservative justices because it's one of the things he can do that is far reaching, long-lasting impact for this movement. generally well received. i did speak to someone about how the president's stance on abortion has evolved over the course of the years when he was a presidential candidate. he really established his pro-life position. people evolve and that's normal. i am supportive of the stance he has right now and hope he continues to pursue these policies that are in line with this pro-abortion movement and the march for life here today. >> we've seen this administration wield a lot of power and influence through the agencies that it controls. let me ask you about the department of health and human services in particular. earlier today we learned that that department is creating a department of conscience and religious freedom. what are folks there saying about that and help us understand what the white house
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was trying to do in calling for the creation of that division within hhs. >> that's exactly right. this is something that offices established yesterday and further protections added today. the administration that has made it its mission to do away with regulations. in this instance, they are adding one. pushing for protection for doctors, nurses and other medical professionals to be able to have protection from things they might reject on a religious basis. such things as abortion, sterilization. those are things mentioned in this. as one of the directors of the hhs office says to reporters on a call today. it's not about denying anybody health care to which they are entitled to but protecting the right of people to provide services in accordance with religious beliefs and moral conviction. obviously groups such as planned parenthood have rejected that kind of stance saying that infringes upon a woman's right to choose. but overall, this is a stance you see in the trump administration take. they've taken a very strong
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pro-religious liberty, pro-abortion -- pr pro anti-abortion rights. that's one more step coming on the morning of the march for life. >> ali vitaly there for the march for life, reporting on the march for life. a scramble in the senate is under way. just hours away from a potential government shutdown. senate democratic leader chuck schumer is meeting with president trump in the white house right now. we're keeping tabs on that meeting and we're going to fact check the president's claims about how a shutdown would affect the military. in plus, a party for the president. the party planned at mar-a-lago tomorrow to celebrate one year of president trump in office and how the shutdown could put a damper on things.
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welcome back. i'm david gura. the ball is in the u.s. senate's court with hours to go before the federal government runs out of money. democrats are standing firm against the republican short-term funding bill. schumer meets with president trump at the white house. that meeting taking place just down pennsylvania avenue from capitol hill. let's bring in molly hooper, congressional reporter for the hill. let's start by getting your reaction to this. the development we learned about here just about an hour ago that there was going to be this one on one meeting at the white
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house. how does that change what you see playing out here over these next few hours. >> well, it's a promising move. i've talked to several gop leaders who have privately confirmed that there will be no government shutdown. they don't think it's going to happen. they think quote/unquote cooler heads will prevail. if that means senator schumer has the cooler head and the president manages to cool down, then we should see some movement. but, you know, the senate is moving a four or five-day measure. however, that sends it back to the house and the house isn't necessarily guaranteed going to vote for that. >> molly, let me ask you to help with the rhetoric. i'm going to use president trump's twitter feed. looking back at a tweet in 2013. here is the truth. he wrote. the government doesn't shut down. all essential services continue. don't believe lies. and then in 2018, just a couple days ago, a government shutdown would be devastating to our military.
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something the dems care very little about. you think of those who work for the federal government, the defense department has 562,000 workers who would be furloughed if this were to happen. obviously, that doesn't count active duty military. what's the real effect likely to be? what's this white house said about who would be furloughed in the event of this happening? >> that's the big question. when you hear that members of house staff and senate staff are getting formal notices that, as of midnight, they could be furloughed, that raises a couple red flags on capitol hill. and so it's unclear as to which essential services are actually essential. and again, that is a question that a lot of people are wrestling with up here on capitol hill. >> let me ask you about the bill that was voted on in the house yesterday. 230 members of the house of representatives supporting it. let's look what's in it. fund the government until february 16th. fund c.h.i.p., the children's health insurance program for six years. delay the implementation of obamacare taxes. it does not address daca.
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when you talk to senators, what's the biggest grievance. what are the hurdles that would prevent them from supporting that legislation? >> osstensibly, it's the daca issue, immigration. you look at the fact the number two leader, dick durbin, john cornyn in the senate and house majority leader kevin mccarthy and steny hoyer for the democrats met earlier today to hammer out some kind of deal on daca. be that perhaps a vote, a promised vote in the senate. you know, that could clear the path for a number of democrats who says -- and including republicans who said that's an issue. also there's another problem here. and this is something that not a lot of people are talking about. the big deal is once you get to that four weeks, what happens. and that's because the members who are negotiating a budget deal are trying to find caps for defense spending and domestic spending. and that's the real problem. they haven't been able to agree on a number basically across the board that will plus up
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domestic, plus up military spending. until they get those numbers straight, they can't move on government funding. and that's really what's holding things up. i think once you actually get a number for domestic and military spending over the next two years, then i think the chips will begin to fall into place. >> molly hooper, thanks for the time. our focus was on the hill this morning. it's shifted to the white house. president trump meet with the democratic leader chuck schumer there inside the white house. we just got a statement from the spokesman for senator mitch mcconnell, the majority leader who says that mitch mcconnell is following closely what's going on at the white house. we are coordinate with the white house on these efforts, according to that spokesman. we're continuing to follow what's happening at 1600 pennsylvania avenue. after trump's election victory, the word voters use most to describe his win was hopeful. according to our nbc news poll. now a year later, new relates showing that hope has turned to disgust. plus, a group of former democrats who voted for trump tell us what they think of his first year on the job and the
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with more acid-fighting power than tums chewy bites. mmmmm...amazing. i have heartburn. ultra strength from alka seltzer. enjoy the relief. welcome back. i'm david gura. tomorrow marks one year since donald trump became president as we face a possible government shutdown. nicolle wallace caught up with some of the voters who helped him win the white house to see how they're feeling one year later. after all this we'll talk about
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how you're feeling about what's unfolding at the white house. >> it's either amazing that it's only been a year or it feels like it was, you know, it's been a million years. so we went out and talked to people. they were not diehard republicans or rock solid conservatives, but former democrats, loyal union members, first-time voters. they helped put donald trump over the top by forming a winning coalition in a lot of those battleground states. what they have to say this morning may prove that our country is even more divided one year later. you were all democrats who flipped. first republican you've ever voted for. >> first time i ever voted. >> i was an obama supporter before that. i took a gamble on donald trump. >> a gamble that made donald trump the 45th president. our year-long journey across america to meet the voters who sent trump to the white house has brought us back together with heather morgan, a waitress and mom from florida, brad, a life-long union worker from michigan, and jason defran who
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at 29 cast his first ever presidential vote. >> i still wish he'd get off twitter. it drives me crazy. but i do really like what he's doing for the economy at least. >> everything i voted for him for, he's doing. tax reform passed. i am going to have more money in my paycheck starting. >> my income for my family is based on other people's disposable income so everyone having more of that is definitely a benefit to me. >> last time we talked, you were upset about the military strike in syria. >> he's putting us at danger. that's not okay. i'm worried about the future of my family. >> to send out a tweet directly to somebody like kim jong-un is -- it's insane. i don't think you need to go on twitter and say i have a bigger button. everybody knows we do. >> maybe but we know he talks. he's not going to stop tweeting. we wished that a year ago. that's just the way donald trump talks. >> i remember you says you love the way obama talked. >> very. >> when you watched trump's first speech, you loved what you heard from him. >> i feel great after hearing
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him speak. he touched on the subjects that i really feel passionate about. >> why you to think so many people think donald trump is a racist? >> because of the no filter. the crude comments. but, you know, i think taking the whole s-hole comment and making it a racist comment, that's gone a little far. martin luther king jr.'s nephew says he doesn't think he's a racist. racially uninformed? possibly. a racist, no. >> i want to ask you about the me too movement. do you think differently about the "access hollywood" tapes or they fact that donald trump stands accused of sexual misconduct by more than a dozen women. >> that's something that bothered me. you just don't say stuff like that. and paying people not to say anything about a consensual relationship, i don't think that's any different. it's making him look like a dirtbag, and i think if the women don't stop pushing, i think we might find something out that's going to day point a lot of voters. >> do you think they'll care?
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>> i hope so. i know i'll care. >> you have to prove to me this is what happened, and then, definitely, it will be an issue. but how many men have extramarital affairs and have mistresses that have pentshouse and diamonds and cars. it makes him a horrible husband, but it doesn't affect my views on him as a politician. >> let's talk about the russia investigation. do you care about it? >> i did in the beginning, but it's getting old now. i really don't care anymore. i want to move forward. >> there's been a couple indictments that had nothing to do with collusion. >> even if you have prove we had meetings and conversations, there's no proof it affected anything. at this point, move on. >> you still support donald trump? >> i don't not support him. i'll say that. but i also wouldn't wear his jersey. >> what's your constructive criticism? >> you have tong about what you say. you are the president of the united states of america. >> i don't think enough has happened on trade. he's taken steps there, but baby steps. >> do i wish that he would be more of a role model? wish he'd say more of the things
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i want him to say? >> absolutely. 100%. >> i think i'd be a fool not to vote for him again unless somebody betters come along. >> i love that double negative. >> i feel like that's how a lot of high school guys broke up with me. >> you pressed them on gender issues and what we've seen about sexual misconduct. they kept turning to taxes and trade. for people that supported him, that's the overarching thing. >> what was so interesting is we spend a lot of time analyzing the tweets. the tweets are going straight to their desired audience in that the vast majority of his tweets are about the economy. and the vast majority of what makes them feel good about donald trump is the psychology of the economy. the idea that the economy is doing better, whether it's helping them directly or not. so i think it's clarifying in terms of why he tweets so much. he wants heather and brad and
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jason to understand and to feel like the economy is doing better. i think the flashing yellow light for the president is that the crude and crass comments really are straining the -- sort of the relationships that these folks have with people who don't support donald trump in their own lives. >> i want to get a sense from you of what you think they are thinking as they unfold what's happening in washington today and bringior experience to bear there as well. but they talked about why they sent donald trump to the white house. part of that is mixing things sp and we see that in fine focus today. >> they love the chaos. they're not upset with him breaking with tradition. they were democrats so neither are they upset with things that aren't, you know, the typical republican -- they are not the intended audience for the pro-life speech, for example, but they also want things to get done. they want him to finish off with whatever the shutdown is about and turn to nafta. there's a lot of capac peration the campaign promises haven't
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all been addressed because that's what brought them into the trump coalition and that's what they want to see movement on before he stands for re-election. >> you'll be covering this today but as you watch what's unfolding at the white house, what are you thinking about how this has come down to president trump and somebody he's known for a long time, chuck schumer, the democrat from new york, them having a one on one meeting in the white house? >> i think what's remarkable is where there's been bright spots, it's when trump has been unshackled from the wacky hard-liners. yeah, i'm perfectly open to doing a clean daca and moving on. it was the hard liners who we know now were brought -- added to that meeting so the president wouldn't veer out of the parameters that the hard-liners like steven miller have made for him. if the people that are trying to pull the president's strings, he has hard line immigration instincts. he certainly believes in a wall that can be see-through in some
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places, which is a weird thing to say about a wall. but i think he is -- he has a part of him who when he's in the room with chuck and nancy or dianne feinstein, he isn't as closed off to some of these compromises as his aides are. and so i think if they stay -- if people like steven miller stay out of that room, it may be a good thing for the country. if he gets near the oval, we are bleeped. >> that's nicole walls. watch "deadline white house" today at 4:00 eastern time here on msnbc. i want to get back to jeff bennett at the white house where the president is meet with chuck schumer. i understand you have new information as that meeting continues to unfold at the white house. >> yeah, we have more information about how this meeting came together. a source tells us earlier this morning, mark short, the white house legislative director, along with mick mulvaney, the budget director, were talking amongst themselves about next steps and they decided that president trump should reach out
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to chuck schumer to invite him here to get a sense of what the hold-up was. so the president did that. reached out to schumer. brought him here. now we don't know whether or not they'll -- the two will arrive at a deal or even if that was the point of the meeting, david. we're told by the source that this was really a way to show that the president is engaged in this issue and is doing what he can to find some resolution. >> remind us what we heard from mark short and from the director of the omb and the cfpb, mick mulvaney, about what would happen in the event of a shutdown. we're getting closer and closer to it as we near 10 hours to that deadline. what is the white house going to prioritize if we hit that deadline? >> unlike the last government shutdown in 2013, what they said is many government functions would continue to function. the tsa, for instance. many national parks would still be open but the trash wouldn't be picked up. for all of the essential government functions, those would continue for the most part except that the people doing the
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work wouldn't get paid. at least until the white house and congress comes up with some sort of decision about, you know, whether or not those people would get paid on the back end. >> jeff bennett, thank you. going to count on more coverage from you
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>> running something that really no other president has certainly -- it is for the faithful remnant of his supporters. is he 234509 tryinot trying to base of support. most campaigns want to build
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their support, they want to be seen warmly in the light of history. they know enough history to know that the presidents we remember fondly are those who reached out and pointed forward in hope not those who govern simply to exploit and in many ways stoke the steer fears of those alread his camp. >> he professes to like andrew jackson. what do you make with his engagement of history? >> i really don't think he spends and enormous amount of time on to say that as dryly as possible. the jackson analogy was one that was introduced in the conversation by steve bannon or the late steve bannon i guess as we now like to call him. >> approximately laprofessional.
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>> there is a an attempt to link him to the jackson revolt, but it doesn't quite hold up because jackson himself was someone who wanted to govern for everyone. as he saw everyone at that point. huge exceptions obviously african-american slavery, native american removal. but what you had was a sense of union then and that the union was paramount. and my own sense of the last 364 days, and even before that during the campaign, is that trump is someone who is slicing this as finely as he can to hold on to a core group of supporters who provide a kind of positive feedback loop for him. nicolle was talking about the tweets. tweets go straight to the base. he is not trying to talk to people in the middle. he is not trying to talk to people on the other side. he is trying to keep his own troops invigorated and engaged. >> it took about eight years for jeffrey goldberg to write a big
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piece on the obama doctrine for that to be fully formed. do you have a sense at this point a year in much what the trump doctrine is? is that clearer here a year into the administration? >> he is ghofrnioverning in his self interests. when you talk about his accomplishments and he wants to tout his accomplishments, that defends on how you define accomplishment. for donald trump means i'm winning. he wants to be a winner and deal maker regardless of whether it is a good deal for the american people. and so when you look at his past year, what is his biggest legislate difference accomplishment? he has a tax cut bill that is a clear give away to wealthy individuals and corporations. it will make taxes go up for middle and low income people. he touts that he has pulled back all the obama era regulations, but they are regulations that actually protect workers, that protect consumers, women, d.r.e.a.m.ers.
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and so when you look at his legislative achievements, what you can actually call by any definition an accomplishment, they are not really accomplishments for the american people. >> all right. thanks to you both as we keep a close eye on the white house. president trump and senator chuck schumer the minority leader in the center meeting right now inside the white house talking about the shutdown. as far as we know, they have been meeting for nearly an hour. we're also watching the senate floor. so far no word of a scheduled funding vote. we'll follow it all closely.
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i'm david gura. that wraps up this hour. i hand things over to chris jans jansen. >> it is 11:00 a.m. out west, 2:00 p.m. on capitol hill where democrats and republicans are in a high stakes game of chicken. less than ten hours until the government could shut down, so the question is, who will blink first? right now chuck schumer is meeting with the president at the white house at trump's invitation. this comes just hours after members of the administration took aim at schumer and the democrats. >> we're preparing for what will call the schumer shutdown. it will look very different than it did under the previous administration. the obama administration weapon nized the shutdown. they could have made the shutdown in 2013 much less


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