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tv   Velshi Ruhle  MSNBC  January 20, 2018 9:30am-10:01am PST

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are cheering it on. we're not trying to work together. look, we have three branches of government. and people are sitting around saying, let's find out what the president wants. we can pass a bill in the house and the senate and send it to the president. we don't work for the president of the united states. we are an independent body. and then let the president make a decision on whether or not he's going to sign it. we have been constantly chipping away at the authority given to the house and the senate by the constitution, by giving more and more power to the executive branch. >> all right, congressman, thank you very much for weighing in. we're going to go from you, sir, with my thanks, to chuck schumer, everyone, he's now on the floor, let's take a listen to what he's saying. >> my republican friends speak often of the damage done to our military by lurching from continuing resolution to continuing resolution. we democrats agree. that's why we offered secretary mattis his full budget request,
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something i offered yesterday in the white house to president trump as well. my republican friends know that we have to stop these crs and it's time to actually do a budget and fully fund our military. we can't forget about urgent domestic priorities in the budget. but military has to be given the certainty it needs. this is one of the main reasons the bipartisan coalition last night rejected the house cr, because of the damage that secretary mattis has said it does to the military. another reason we rejected it was because it was constructed without an ounce of democratic input. and i suspect very little input from many republicans in the senate. in our democracy, you have to compromise if you wish to govern. what's how our founding fathers designed our government to operate. and yet time and time again, the republican leader believes he
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can drop legislation on the floor, say take it or leave it, and then gear up the machines of partisan war if we decide to leave it. the leader crafts a partisan approach without consulting us and then tries to blame us for not going along. that kind of behavior would not pass in any part of civil society. it would be called bullying. we are happy and eager to compromise. but we will not be bullied. the most important point is this. the republicans control the white house, the senate, the house. that's why america and the world are calling this shutdown the trump shutdown. it's the president and congressional republicans' responsibility to govern. it's their responsibility to keep the doors open and the lights on around here.
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but the republican leadership can't get a tumultuous president on board with anything. and they don't offer us any compromises on their own. the breakdown of compromise is poisoning this congress. and it all springs from president trump. he's turned blowing up partisan -- sorry, he's turned blowing up bipartisan agreements into an art form. the president can't take yes for an answer. twice in this long debate, president trump walked away from partisan deals to solve all of the issues before us. a week ago last tuesday, president trump appealed to congress on national television to come up with a deal, and he said he would sign it, he would sign whatever congress sent him. he said he would take the heat for it. but when a bipartisan group of senators led by senator graham and senator durbin brought him that compromise, he blew it up.
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and in a volcanic meeting at the white house, the same script played out with myself and the president yesterday. the president called me in the morning and asked that i come to the white house. and of course i accepted. we had an extensive and serious negotiation about every single outstanding issue. we came close to a tentative agreement on the budget, after i offered the pentagon's full budget request. on the thorniest issue of immigration, the president said many times he would take a deal that included daca in exchange for the wall. i put that deal on the table in the oval office in a sincere effort at compromise. i put the wall on the table in exchange for strong daca protections in the graham/durbin compromise. it was a generous offer. and i believe president trump was inclined to accept it and
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was willing to do a very short term cr, he suggested tuesday night, in order to get the deal finalized. hours later, i got a phone call telling me this is not good enough. first from the president, saying, i hear it's three weeks. i said, no one told me about that, that's not what we discussed. and then a few hours later, well, we want what you've offered and four or five more things which they knew were unpalatable to democrats but appeased the hard right anti-immigration wing of the republican party. the bottom line is simple. president trump just can't take yes for an answer. he's rejected not one but two viable bipartisan deals, including one in which i put his most prominent campaign pledge on the table. what's even more frustrating than president trump's
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intransigence is the way he seems amenable to these compromises before completely switching positions and backing off. negotiating with president trump is like negotiating with jell-o. that's why this compromise will be called the trump shutdown. the president's behavior is inimical to compromise, which is required to getting things done in government. it's impossible to negotiate with a constantly moving target. leader mcconnell has found that out. speaker ryan has found that out. and i have found that out. now, republican leaders refuse to move ahead without president trump. and president trump is so mercurial, it's been impossible to get him to agree to anything. again, to sum it up, the president can't make a deal and congressional republicans won't. as a result, a paralysis has
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descent descended on capitol hill. as donald trump said in 2011, if there's a shutdown, i think it would be a tremendously negative mark on the president of the united states. he's the one that has to get people together. that's president trump's quote then, 2011. getting people together, that's just about the opposite of what he's done in these negotiations. so on the one-year anniversary of president trump's inauguration, today his government has closed its door to the american people. and he hardly seems to care. early on he said, our country could, quote, use a good shutdown. today he tweeted, this is the one-year anniversary of my presidency and the democrats wanted to give me a nice present. he called the shutdown an anniversary present. a present.
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it shows just how out of touch and how callous he can be. a government shutdown is no present for the country, for his party, and for him. and it's entirely the president's doing. the only way out of this is for the president to take yes for an answer, to accept a bipartisan compromise we bring him. so we on our side will keep trying. last night i suggested the four leaders and president trump meet immediately to sort all this out. i still hope we can do that. otherwise this trump shutdown could go on longer than anyone wants it to. i yield the floor. >> the senator from tennessee. >> mr. president -- >> there you heard senate minority leader chuck schumer.
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betsy woodruff of the daily beast, betsy, when you put the rhetoric and tone of things from paul ryan first of all, and then mitch mcconnell, and then chuck schumer, invoking the president and what he said to these leaders yesterday, it would seem we're at an extraordinary impasse and this is going to be a shutdown government for a while. >> i think that's right. there are very few indicators that negotiates are making serious progress on fixing this problem. one line that will echo in the coming days is that negotiating with president trump is like negotiating with jell-o. that's something we've been hearing since he entered the oval office, that trump tends to make promises and then just not follow through on them, that he's highly suggestible, that he tends to support whatever the last idea he heard was, that he changes his mind rapidly and in ways that are unpredictable. obviously that would make it really challenging for democrats or congressional republicans in some cases to get him on board
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with what they're looking for. another piece of this that i think is really important for folks to remember is that there's probably not an issue that separates the democrat base from the republican base in such a dramatic way as the issue of immigration. i remember in 2013, when i covered the gang of eight bipartisan efforts to do comprehensive immigration reform, there were massive, massive marches and protests that tea parties and conservative leaders had. folks at those events said they thought gang of eight would be just as bad as obamacare. the conservative republican base believes daca is amnesty and that's going to galvanize folks on the far right. for a lot of people, that's a nonstarter. i think that's a big part of why we're seeing such a big clash here, it pits these two poles against each other heavy. >> policy laws, and when you throw in immigration and the border wall, which certainly got supporters of president trump
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fired up. very quickly to you with a button-up here, phillip, the last government shutdown in 2013 lasted for 16 days and the country lost $24 billion. is there anything that tells you that they're going to start thinking about this from a fiscal position here, look at the kind of money being lost, given who sits in the white house? >> no. there's nothing at this point that suggests that's going to happen. right now we are in the blame game stage of this thing, pointing fingers in it both directions. i think over the long term, this thing will get resolved, the blame game probably won't make much of a difference in november. things have been moving so quickly for the last year and a half, this may be forgotten in two months. i'm not sure what the long term ramifications of this will be, if anything. >> in other words, we just need to settle in because this will last, you agree, betsy? >> i think that's correct, yes. >> thank you so much, betsy, i appreciate you guys, phillip too, thank you. coming up, we'll take you to the women's marches around this country. we've got several of them covered for you live, you say see on your screen. stay with us.
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of course one of the day's big stories happening right now, in city after city across the country you've got tens of thousands gathered to mark one year since that massive women's march of 2017. you're looking at the protest in chicago. the protests this year are once again aimed against president trump's legislative agenda, demonstrating the political power that women plan to harness for the 2018 mid-terms.
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we're also looking at chicago, new york, and washington, all three represented here. that means we have reporters covering the marches for us across the country. we start in washington where nbc's blayne alexander joins us. the march is shaping up to be as big as last year's potentially. how do you see it, what are the numbers? >> reporter: so alex, certainly nowhere near the crowd we saw this time last year. all along organizers have only been expecting a fraction of the 500,000 people that filled washington last year. but if you look over here you can tell this crowd is still a very sizable crowd, and very enthusiastic. organizers are expecting anywhere between 5 and 6,000 people to turn out today. by eyeballing it, it looks like they've met that mark if not exceeded it. i spoke with some people who came here by bus, people who traveled from all over the country. i even talked to a group who came from as far away as
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argentina. interestingly, alex, a lot of people out here this year were also here last year. they kind of dub themselves women's march veterans. but let's talk about the mood out here. we've seen a shift between the mood from last year and this year. as you'll remember, of course, last year's march was birthed essentially after the 2016 elections. so certainly president trump was a focal point, kind of speaking out against him, against his policies. this year, we've kind of seen a shift. in fact the march is officially called the women's march on washingt washington. there's very much a strong focus on positions in power in politics. we've seen a lot of signs looking ahead to november, looking ahead to the mid-terms later this year. they're not only talking about getting women in positions of power but getting women to go out and vote. they'll be wrapping up this program in the next 30, 45 minutes or so, the march a mile
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away from the white house, taking the message directly to president trump's doorstep. >> all right, blayne alexander in d.c. for us, thanks for that. nbc's maria atencio, what does it look like in new york city? >> reporter: so alex, last year, 400,000 people here in new york city. this year, organizers say they're expecting 34,000 people. i want you to look at the crowd behind me. this goes all the way down sixth avenue. so many of these women who have come from other states all over the country to be here. this crowd, alex, getting ready to march any minute now. if you look over to my left, celebrities and organizers have been giving impassioned speeches for the last hour and a half. this crowd has been brought to tears many times by their words.
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we're talking about the "me too" movement and the reasons why they're here. i wanted to talk to especially some of the young girls here in the rally. you guys are out of high school, starting college. what brings you out here today? >> i've been inspired by the women that i've read in my textbooks for years that have fought for the right to vote and reproductive rights. i'm standing here today honoring the women who are victims of sexual assault and women who are just victims of unequal pay and immigrants in our country. and we need to stand up. and time is up. >> reporter: you told me you did not march last year but chose to come here this year. why? >> last year, sadly i was at work and would have loved to come. i decided there's no way i'm missing standing with my brothers and sisters to stand up for a cause bigger than myself. >> reporter: you are from ore n oregon. what brought you out here today? >> i just wanted to prove to everybody that we came out of this last year stronger than ever.
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>> reporter: alex, the crowd here, especially the young crowd, as they say, excited to be here. as we heard from washington, a big push made by the organizers this year to get people registered. there are people being registered here in new york city and to bring that power to the polls, especially during midterm elections this year, alex. >> okay, mariana atencio, thank you so much there from columbus circle in new york city, we appreciate that. as we give you a look at the capitol, everybody, once we clear away from these marches, is the blame game heating up on capitol hill? we'll take a look at that after a short break.
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i'm breeding, man. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. at 54 past the hour, we're getting ready to hear from chuck schumer once again, this time obviously not on the floor of the senate but rather in a news conference. we're sure he's going to have a lot to say. we'll take you there as soon as he gets to that podium. that said, we go to a veteran of three democratic administrations, and stephanie hamill, an adviser on the national diversity coalition for mr. trump. i want to let both of you know this will be shorter than anticipated, i apologize in advance. we've had a lot of breaking news going on, a lot of stuff from
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the floor on capitol hill. is it fair for democrats to insist on linking daca legislation to this budget bill? >> i think it's fair that democrats stand up and demand that the president keep his word, number one, and number two, there are a lot of other issues here. in fact what trump has introduced into the american psyche is that it's immigration, immigration, immigration. that's incredibly divisive. i think for the first time in many years, i see the democrats standing up with a real spine, and i love what chuck schumer said earlier. >> you said that, but i'm going to let people know, as you and i were talking behind the scenes, you also said you had grave concerns that democrats will take the rap for this. >> i do, because 1996, the longest shutdown in history, the public blamed the republicans, but the republicans kept their majority. in 2013, again the same thing, the public blamed the republicans, but they added seats to their majority. so for democrats to think that this is a win is delusional.
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however, i do think in this case, since it's the first time in 40 years that there's been a government shutdown with one party owning all three branches of government, that may change. but for the general public, the psyche is that the democrats are the party of government, and we need to keep that in mind. >> stephanie, you had senate minority leader chuck schumer saying he thought he had secured concessions on daca and the border wall with the president. what changed, and is this more about politics than about policy? >> you know what, there's no reason they should have tried to ta attach daca to this, it's completely unrelated. >> i understand that, but what changed? why is it that chuck schumer left the white house thinking we may have a deal, or at least the workings of a deal? >> maybe in his mind he had a deal. but the fact is that daca is
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unrelated. we know that the american people, even a cnn poll showed the majority of americans don't support shutting down the government over daca. we know that the president has committed to a daca deal and republicans are on board with this. there is a time and a place. right now, to hold the american people hostage over daca, illegal immigrants, amnesty, it's unconscionable. >> stephanie is right, the number is 56% of americans say we don't want a government shutdown over daca. >> and it's not over daca. you've got a petulant little boy, in fact stephanie herself diagnosed trump as trump derangement syndrome. we have a petulant president who because he didn't get his wall decided to break up the deal, break his promises, and throw the government into chaos. >> go ahead, stephanie. >> when we're talking about a compromise with the daca deal, we have to have other immigration reforms. that would be ending the chain
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migration, ending the visa lottery system. also we need a border. we need a border wall in certain areas. i've been down to the border, i used to live by the border, i've talked to a lot of border agents. and there are a lot of areas that are very vulnerable. what these illegal crossers do, and criminals too, they cut holes through the wire fence. that's why they need a different type of fence, more secure. a lot of areas are just completely open. and so we know that the democrats are not going to do -- are not going to support any sort of immigration reforms other than daca. that's why they want to attach it to this. >> stephanie, as promised, chuck schumer has taken to the podium, and we're taking our viewers there. >> plunged head first into the trump shutdown. how did we get here? why is it that republicans and president trump are unwilling to do the jobs they were elected to do, and reach an agreement to fund the military, critical programs for the middle class,
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address daca, fund children's health, and take care of disaster aid? over the last several months, democrats have bent over backward to negotiate with the white house. unfortunately, the president and republican leaders in congress are like abbott and costello. the congressional leaders tell me to negotiate with president trump. president trump tells me to figure it out with republican leaders. let me talk a little bit about what transpired in negotiations. first, a little history. last year, when president trump ended the daca program, we immediately began working on a solution that both sides could agree to. leader pelosi and i went to dinner with the president. we came away with an agreement to pursue a deal pursuing the daca act with border security.
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the president agreed. but that night and the next morning, the hard right came after him. breitbart called him amnesty trump. laura iman inyou can't -- ingra called for him to be impeached. senators durbin and graham and their four compatriots worked hard to deliver a by partisan deal. two weeks ago the president had a meeting on national television for the world to see. he said he wanted four things. protect the dreamers, secure the border, end what he calls chain migration, and end the diversity visa lottery. and then he said he would sign what congress would come up with. well, the bipartisan gang of six delivered. when t


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