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that's it for this special saturday night edition of "hardball." thanks for being with us tonight. a very good morning to all of you. i'm alex witt here in new york. it is 7:00 in the east and 4 :0 out west. after lots of talking on capital hill, snotill no results, but plenty of blame for what went wrong. >> my colleagues at this hour, the federal government is needlessly shut down because of senate democrats. >> you wanted a shutdown. the trump shutdown is all yours. >> i think at the end of the day america will see through this, that it really was a schumer shutdown. >> republicans in congress plunged head first into the trump shutdown.
well, this morning new predictions for how long this all goes and how it all might end. >> november 6, 2018, i think they're really going to get a good dose of we're not stopping. >> taking it to the streets, round two. another massive rally is planned after a show of force in cities across this country. what marchers want the most. but we begin with a live picture of capitol hill where the senate is adjourned until 1:00 p.m. today. this after efforts on the first day of trying to end the government shutdown failed with both sides escalating the blame game. it's unclear when and how this will get resolved. >> hopefully as soon as possible, as soon as our republican friends get their act together. trump never -- he shakes hands and says here's where we're at and then two hours later backs off. the republicans are
dysfunctional. they're in total disarray and that's why america knows this is a trump shutdown. >> the detectimocratic leader mt his personal priorities ahead of everything else no matter the cost but the republicans stand with the american people. >> one thing for sure. it will be a long day and night on capitol hill. majority leader mcconnell expects to begin the voting process on a continuing resolution at 1:00 tomorrow. that would keep the government funded until february 8th. president trump for his part skipped a party at mar-a-lago to mark his first year in office and instead worked the phones as evidenced by a picture of the white house released yesterday. the president is reportedly worried that he's going to be the one to pay a political price for a shutdown but his son eric see its differently. >> the only reason they want to shut down government is to distract and to stop his momentum. honestly, i think it's a good thing for us because people see through it. people have seen a year that's
incredible, that's been filled with nothing but the best for our country. america first policies and they're happy with where we are as a nation. >> our coverage this hour on day two of the shutdown includes nbc jeff bennett. also melanie, kevin, and julia manchester also from the hill. we're going to start this sunday morning with mike who's been following this shutdown for us since yesterday. it seems like you've been up around the clock. how about signs of progress? are there any that indicate this is going to go away anytime soon? >> senators scurrying from one office to another, meeting behind closed doors. we saw that picture showing president trump on the phone, working the phone trying to find some way out of this impasse. a lot of movement on the surface, but really no progress that we can discern behind the scenes and a lot of people here are settling in for perhaps a
longer shutdown than was originally anticipated. this is being played out in the court of opinion here, alex, and really the way this is going to be broken is whichever side blinks first, whichever side emerges behind in that battle for public opinion. we see republicans led by president trump trying to boil this down to a fight between those young immigrants, so-called d.r.e.a.m.ers they're holding out for. they want anything that passes to fund the government to allow those that were brought here at a young age to stay in this country. republicans are down to a simple fact this is the military, getting their paychecks on time, men and women in uniform versus a relatively small population of those d.r.e.a.m.ers. meanwhile democrats are on the pr offensive. we saw chuck schumer any number of times yesterday trying to say that president trump is unreliable as a negotiator. senator schumer saying negotiating with president trump, remember he sat down with
him for lunch on friday, he says that negotiation is like trying to negotiate with jello. a democratic senator from illinois had this to say about president trump. >> i will not be lectured about what our military needs by a five deferment draft dodger. and i have a message for cadet bone spurs. if you cared about our military, you'd stop baiting kim jong-un into a war that would put 85,000 american troops and innocent civilians in danger. >> calling president trump cadet bone spurs for his five medical deferments for the vietnam war draft. there's talk of a three week tipping resolution to, yes, kick the can down the road until february 8th. democrats say they are not going to go along with that either unless there is that legislation included that addresses the d.r.e.a.m.ers. >> sounds lying we all ne-- lik
need to settle in for a while. let's go to the white house now with jeff bennett standing by. good sunday morning to you. the president as we saw from that photo released spent the day working the phones to get a deal. is there anything tangible to come out of those calls? >> we're not yet aware. both sides are still publicly dug in. we're very much in the finger pointing blame game phase of this shutdown. but yes, yesterday the white house put out those photos purporting to show president trump hard at work. we're told he spent yesterday much of his time in the residence calling republican congressional leaders but also checking in with members of his own cabinet. this morning there are questions about the president's role and helping to bring about a resolution to all of this. of course we heard from senate democrat leader chuck schumer say that the president is an
unreliable negotiate but it's not just chuck schumer who feels that way. so too does jeff flake. take a look at what he had to say. >> my frustration is that we don't regard our prerogative to legislate and we can't anymore say we'll only move forward if the president moves forward. this president has changed his mind several times and i'll say that. >> so as it stands at the moment, we're in the middle of a war of political messaging. you have democrats saying republicans are using children as a bargaining chip to entice democrats to sell out d.r.e.a.m.ers and then you have republicans say democrats care more about illegal immigrants than they do about the military. as evidence of that, take a look at that this tweet from president trump. democrats are for more concerned with immigrants than they are our military or safety.
they could have made a deal but decided to play shutdown politics instead. #we need more republicans in '18 to power through this mess. you have republicans saying they're not going to negotiate immigration while the government is shut down. democrats saying they're not going to reopen the government until they get concessions on immigration. therein is the impasse. not clear what will help break it. >> i have no words. that's pretty rare, jeff. that's all i've got to say about that. let's bring in melanie, staff writer at the the hill. kevin, and julia manchester. with a good morning to you both, all three of you, rather, julia, splashed all over the front pages this morning, this emerging reality that no one wants to budge from their positions. you just heard me say i was speechless as jeff was describing that. we're now in day two.
is there any likelihood, any progress expected or one to note from yesterday? >> yeah. well, it's really hard to say based on what happened yesterday. yesterday we saw a lot of harsh words from both sides accusing each other of lying, from the white house to capitol hill. one thing i do want to point out, we saw yesterday that senator susan collins had a meeting with 18 bipartisan -- 18 lawmakers, kind of a bipartisan group trying to reach a deal. it's hard to say if anything will come of that just because the rhetoric is so harsh and intense right now. however, there are efforts being made, but to be honest, i wouldn't count on it. i think there's too much bad blood at this point. we're seeing the white house get into this as well. we're seeing a war of messaging. it's hard to say what's going to happen in the future. >> kevin, we heard senator schumer suggesting he thought he had a deal with the president that included democrats agreeing to funding the wall in exchange for protection for
d.r.e.a.m.ers. i will say the number was highly disputed. the white house said it was 1 o1$.8 billion and chuck schumer said it was way north of that. it appears a deal is thanot tha cut and dry. what does it take for a deal to get done? >> this is a political stalemate. i remember back in 2013 when i covered the last government shutdown and it was largely blamed on senator ted cruz as a political grandstander of sorts. unlike the 2013 shutdown this is very different because no one knows who's going to budge. the bottom line is the number one employer in the dmv in the washington, d.c. area is government workers. these folks are going to have to wait for a paycheck on the back end. these are a lot of folk who quite frankly are going to be hurt. the longer this goes on, when we get into the second week, the
third week, that's when people really start feeling the pinch. this isn't good for democrats or republicans. it is going to completely exas ser bait the mistrust of the function in washington, d.c. f. you're senator majority leader mitch mcconnell or president trump for this independent voters in swing states t doesn't speak well to them. at the end of the day republicans control both houses of congress and the white house. if you're minority leader chuck schumer you risk the fact that you're going to fire up trump's base. on the flip side, daca, all polls indicate americans are behind on daca as is the business community. >> you note that the blame game is boiling over. is one side making a more plausible argument over the other? >> both sides have really been amping up the blame game even before the government shutdown which should have been a sign we
were probably headed for this route. i think in terms of what the art has been, both sides think they have the convincing message here. for republicans they say this is all about chuck schumer, they're calling it a schumer shutdown. they're democrats are the ones who have the power to block legislation so they're the only ones to have the power to bring it back up and let it pass. they also say they're holding the military hostage for these illegal immigrants, these d.r.e.a.m.ers. on the flip side you have democrats saying look, this is all about president trump. he's the one who's an unreliable negotiator, we can't get a deal with him, he's like negotiating with jello. and they also really hammer the point that republicans control all three levels of power in washington and it's their responsibility to crack legislation so they can get support. whether the public agrees with one side or the other, it's unclear where the public backlash is going to fall. there's a lot at stake with the midterm elections hanging in the
balance. >> those are the operative words you find although we should note trump shutdown was the worldwide leader in the trends overnight on friday night. julia, is the art tougher for republicans? as melanie is saying, they control both houses of congress and the white house. >> it's absolutely tough. i want to emphasize this is really bad optics for the republicans. on president trump's one year anniversary in office he gets a government shutdown. there's nationwide protests against him. it doesn't look good. i would also just like to point out president trump really ran on draining the swamp. trying to get -- he said he's the ultimate deal maker, he's going to clean up washington, prevent things like this happening. this is classic washington. about two sides not willing to negotiate and not playing politics. that being said, i don't want to say that democrats don't have blame in this because they do.
i want to point out a recent cnn poll that found that 56% of americans say that they'd rather keep the government open than get a solution to daca right now even though daca is very politically popular with americans. >> so in terms of trying to summarize, you have mitch mcconnell. he's got the procedure vote. when i read that i thought it was a type po. it is 1:00 a.m. >> yep, i'm going to be up at 1:00 a.m. is there any chance a deal can get done in time for that vote? >> who knows. they're going to be working around the clock this afternoon and into the late night/early morning to try to get to a deal. this is where it becomes problematic for this administration. the president is set to go to the global gathering of all the financial and global leaders. if he arrives there which will be kind of tense, he's arriving
there when the government could be still shut down. >> melanie, we're going to start with you in our next conversation. all of you do stick around. ahead i'll get your predictions on how long you think this shutdown will last and how it might all play out. plus calls for change coast to coast. why more women are taking to the streets after massive protests yesterday. >> i think last year people were depressed. people were completely flipped out that things hadn't gone the way they expected and this year there's more hope and there's more action.
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you're going to hear more about it this week on nightly news. the start of president trump's second year in office is punctuated by a political showdown as well as a show of unity in the streets. millions took part in women's marches from coast to coast, border to border to protest against president trump. their demands, equality and justice and political and social change. nbc morgan ratford surveyed the scene. >> reporter: an army of marches taking over streets in hundreds of cities, calling for change in washington. demanding inclusion in chicago. and fighting for equality in new york. >> we're out here because women have decided that they want to take back the conversation and they insist on being part of it. >> would you have organized this march if president trump hadn't been elected to office?
>> we were going to protest regardless of whether it was hillary or donald trump, but of course donald trump just was a line that had to be drawn for all of us which helped us harness these millions of people across the world. >> this year they say is about harnessing that momentum and getting women to the polls and into office. women like kelly fowler who came out today with her daughters. >> last year i marched. then i ran. then i won. [ cheers and applause ] >> fowler marched in last year's rally and was so inspired she decided to run for state office in virginia and won. >> it was the week after the march and i felt it and i said -- i said i have to run. i said i have a responsibility. >> now the house delegate for virginia's 21st district, she joins several other women in the state holding office for the
first time. an inspiration for millions of women hoping to change the face of politics. >> we want everyone to know that when we win, it was women who led us to victory. >> and this is the map of all the marches across the country and beyond. later today a rally will be held in las vegas to kick influence a year long power to the polls. predictions for how the government shutdown might come to an end next. some air fresheners are so overwhelming, they can...
the end game is to resolve this in a bipartisan way. >> is that possible? >> yes. >> holding out hope. back now with my panel for predictions, julia, kevin, and melanie. melanie, i said you're up first. what do you think the end game is to borrow a phrase there and how long do you think it's going to take to get there? >> well, i think in terms of how long it's going to take really depends on what we see today f.
they stretch into monday, that's when people are really going to start to feel the government shutdown, that's when you're going to see federal workers affected by this, i think it could last a really long time here. both sides are dug in. there's no signs of life on capitol hill right now. as of last night at 8:00 -- if this is any sign of where things are in the talks, the house is actually debating and fighting over whether the republicans yesterday could use a poster of chuck schumer on the house floor. in terms of where i think things are going, it might depend on how this deal actually gets worked out. if one side decides to budge on immigration and give a little bit in terms of a deal, i think it might take long toer to get. but if the white house decides to start picking up support by adding other things on like disaster relief, opioid funding, more money for nondefense programs and a spending cap steal, then i think maybe you could see some movement in the
next couple of days. the. >> the question to you, kevin, who's going to blink first? >> i think the red state democrats are really the folks that are going to be in the middle of all this. the longer this goes on, and compared to the 2013 shutdown which lasted about three weeks, it's those government workers who aren't going to get paid. think about that for a second. the government is going to prevent thousands of people from getting their paycheck at the start of the year when the economy is just really starting to pick up momentum. tourism industry is affected by this all around the country. then the president has the second state of the union address. he wants the government open for the second state of the union address. >> julia, last to you and about 15 seconds. time frame. >> it's really hard to tell at this point. we're seeing mitch mcconnell trying to wrap this up by february 8th or we've heard february 15th. however i think the administration they say that they don't want to negotiate
while the government's shut down. this is really going to affect the economy. the president still wants to brag about the economy, he needs to get this wrapped up. thank you so much. that's also it for me. thanks for watching. i'll see you guys at 9:00 a.m. eastern. we'll see you then. average lasagna? not in this house. 'cause that's no average family. that's your family. which is why you didn't grab just any cheese. you picked up kraft mozzarella with a touch of philadelphia for lasanyeah! kraft. family greatly.
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