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moving on. good morning everyone. i'm stephanie ruhle, my partner ali velshi on assignment. today is monday january 22, 2018. let's get started. this morning, still no deal to end the government shutdown now stretching into its third day. >> the government is now broken because none of our leaders trust that anyone else is going to follow through on their commitment. >> how much of it just comes down to a lack of trust? >> most of it. >> it would be my intention to proceed the legislation that would address daca, border security and related issues. >> i will add my vote for this agreement as majority leader has simply outlined. >> we have yet to reach an agreement on a path forward that would be acceptable for both sides. >> in the end it's going to be up to the two leaders. and i hope they can come together. >> are democrats complicit? >> well, they're not helping us keep the government open. they're not helping us lead to a
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solution on immigration. >> this government cannot open again until at least nine democrats support the measure. so it's entirely in their hands. >> all the while right here at the white house the president has been publicly m.i.a. >> he has to lead or get out of the way. >> where's the president? >> well, the president has been involved. yesterday he was speaking to leader mcconnell and leader ryan, also spoke to kevin mccarthy. >> republicans -- >> talk with the president. his heart is right on this issue. i think he's got a good understanding of what will sell. >> negotiating with this white house is like negotiating with jell-o. >> i know that sometimes members like senator schumer need a little help and guidance getting through big policy negotiations like that. >> friday president trump did have a deal with chuck schumer, then he allowed 32-year-old steven miller and john kelly to get in the mix and say, no, sir, that's not going to happen. >> the republicans are stopping every one of these votes because they want to make a point. but they're not exactly sure what point they want to make
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because we have a president of the united states that is being led around by his staff. >> or some of his staff. welcome today three, the first workday of the government shutdown. federal employees are feeling the pinch this morning as we near a critical vote in the senate set for high noon. right now democrats are meeting to discuss that vote. and the latest offer from majority leader mitch mcconnell. and just a few minutes ago a bipartisan group of senators met in the office of maine's republican senator susan collins. this cross aisle effort happening as president trump again targeting democrats on twitter writing, quote, the dmbl democrats are turning down services and security of citizens in favor of services and security for noncitizens. adding the dems, quote, shut down our government in the interest of their far left base. moments ago on the senate floor mcconnell laid out conditions to restart negotiations on
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protections for dreamers among other priorities. >> in two hours every senator can vote to end this government shutdown. at 12:00 we'll vote to end the democratic leader's filibuster and advance instead a bipartisan bill that would put this mess behind us. it is abundantly clear the senate cannot make progress on any of these crucial matters until the government is reopened. >> now let's turn republican john senator speaking on the hill now. >> is to provide money for the services. and last year the american people to the best i could tell paid about $3 trillion out of their pockets to run this place. $3 trillion. that's 3 thousand million dollars. and the government shutdown.
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it just ain't right. but hopefully today we'll get votes back up. anybody who tells you who knows what's going to happen is wrong or confused. i think we've got roughly 53 votes to open the government back up, we need seven democrats, a couple of republicans. i think senator paul and senator lee voted against the resolution. we need them or seven democrats. we'll see what happens. okay. thank you. >> thank you, senator. >> all right. we need to remind you that that is congress' one job, to keep government open. joining me now msnbc's garrett hake on the hill. trust, trust, trust, that's the word i hear over and over, yet when i look at the president's statement or anybody else, there is no trust in washington. >> no, there's a real trust
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deficit up here. outside of the bipartisan meeting room where things seem to be going on and seems to be some trust happening, but in the rest of this town trust levels are pretty low. two words to drive this debate over the next hour and potentially far after that are trust, which we've already touched upon, and the lack of it between democratic senators and the majority leader and intention. intention is the word that the majority leader mitch mcconnell has been using to say that he intends to bring to the floor immigration and border security related issues as part of a deal to reopen the government. democratic senators i've been talking to all morning say that's not good enough. they and even some republicans say would like to hear the majority leader use stronger language. make a commitment. make a promise to deal with this in public that they can hold to. but it's unclear exactly what's going to happen in the next hour. this is not a common situation up here where we're an hour from a major vote. we don't know how it's going to break. but if the democrats do not vote
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here to reopen the government, things are going to get a little more difficult for them politically for a couple of reasons. they're going to lose some cover. jeff flake and lindsey graham who voted with democrats to shut down the government late wednesday night said they're going to vote to reopen it today. this has been good enough for them. secondly, this is a noon vote in the middle of the day on a workday done in full public view. this isn't happening in the middle of the night. and it isn't happening over the weekend. this is going to make all of this feel a lot more real for a lot of people if the vote fails to reopen the government. now, talking about the negotiations that are ongoing here, one of the central players has been republican senator lindsey graham doing some shuttle diplomacy going back and forth. he's one of the people who's trying to convince democrats that mitch mcconnell's word is good enough. here's what he said earlier this morning about how he sees this immigration debate and the rest of the issues in contention right now playing out going forward. >> here's what i predict. once we start talking about
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immigration and voting on immigration, we'll find 60 votes to make sure these daca recipients' lives are not ruined by march 5th. >> you've got graham there saying this will all come together if we can take this first step and reopen the government. he has been in the room with democratic senators all weekend long, but as of right now less than an hour from this vote it's still not clear if that's good enough. >> but, garrett, let's stay on that. because, to your point, lindsey graham has been in the room with democrats all weekend long and it was lindsey graham who worked with dick durbin two weeks ago on a potential daca deal and it was the president who stood in the way. so while i can understand how democrats might not trust the president, how mitch mcconnell even this weekend said he didn't know what position the president was going to take, how republicans might not trust the government, but can't the government leaders work together because there should be some
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form of trust between them, they've been working together for decades long before trump got in the mix. >> absolutely. there's an interesting dynamic here of almost managing up that's going on from this bipartisan group that's been meeting all weekend. the 20 or so maybe two dozen senators who've been meeting every day say they trust each other. they trust this group. they trust each other's intentions. the problem is as this sort of floats its way up into the leadership ranks and eventually towards the white house, that's where the trust falls apart. so after these meetings break up, these groups go back to their respective leaders and say here's what we talked about. here's what we think can get done. so far at the leadership level that hasn't translated into anything. i'm setting aside the white house here completely because the scope of these conversations does seem to have narrowed. this is senators talking about the senate doing its own work. they realize now i think they're not going to get what they want out of the white house in the terms of the scope of the conversation we're having about government reopening and about getting to work on an actual immigration deal.
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>> getting to work. all right. garrett, i'm going to let you, i don't know, have a red bull, go for a quick walk. you got a lot of work to do today. all right, this morning, the president -- well, the self-proclaimed dealmaker remains largely absent in the effort to end this shutdown. at the same time, my own inside source inside the white house and multiple other reports indicate white house chief of staff john kelly and senior white house aide steven miller, they're calling the shots this weekend. a senior administration official tells nbc news that kelly and miller pushed the president away from a compromise after his friday meeting with senate democratic leader chuck schumer and back toward their hardline stance on immigration. republican senator lindsey graham specifically singled out steven miller. >> i've talked to the president. his heart is right on this issue. i think he's got a good understanding of what will sell. and every time we have a proposal it is only yanked back by staff members. as long as steven miller's in charge of negotiating
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immigration, we're going nowhere. >> wow. joining me now, "the washington post" political reporter eugene scott, bill chrystal, founder and editor of weekly standard and bloomberg politics national reporter. calls steven miller agitator and white house survivor. i've heard the same thing. people in the white house said to me president trump had a deal with chuck schumer on friday. he was ready to roll and then head down to mar-a-lago. it was steven miller and john kelly, two men with hardline positions on immigration, but two men with no experience in negotiating deals or policymaking seemed to have stepped in here. and then of course we know jeff sessions' position and his influence over the president as it relates to immigration. >> absolutely. i think it's important for us to remember that steven miller is an alum of the world of jeff sessions and steve bannon and the policies they put forward, at least ideology related to
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immigration. and he has a deep conviction that's been documented since at least high school in the area of immigration and believes he is supposed to be in the white house to carry that idea out. in part for the people who jumped on the trump train hoping to see a more hardline on immigration. and so i think the president is listening to him because he has the belief that steven miller may know where significant percentages of trump's base lie on this issue. the challenge is most americans even within the republican party aren't hardliners on this issue. and the trump white house is going to have to ask themselves what are they willing to do to meet the needs of most americans. >> so bloomberg has some slightly different reporting, john kelly and steven miller may have a hardline stance on immigration, but that kelly didn't push trump to reject chuck schumer's proposal. but what john kelly does do is control information and people that get to see the president. and the president was largely on his own this weekend. and when i've spoken to people inside the white house they're
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saying right now i don't have access to the president. so if he wants to call me and have me step in here, he's welcome to, but john kelly's running the show. >> that's right, stephanie, there are a few different variations of the story and there are certainly some who believe that steven miller and john kelly are in the words of one source i spoke to kindred spirits on the issue of immigration. steven miller we know former senate aide he was an individual who has single mindedly determined to scuttle bipartisan deals like the gang of eight. he's a hard liner and president trump is conflicted between that instinct that he represents that helped him win the republican nomination, eventually win the presidency on that platform and his desire to cut a deal. we have to remember there's a lot of talk about president trump getting swayed by john kelly or getting, you know, manipulated by steven miller. these are president trump's own instincts. go back to his launch speech in the middle of 2015 when he talked about certain mexican immigrants. he said they're bringing drugs or crime, rapists, those are president trump's words before
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any of those staffers came along. the buck stops with him and what we're seeing is a president deeply conflicted on the issue of daca having sympathy wanting to cut a deal but not wanting to get out front and provide the political cover that republican leaders including mitch mcconnell and paul ryan want from the president before they do anything on the issue of daca. it is too explosive an issue for the republican base. it is too divisive and that's where they're looking to the white house, the white house is not giving them guidance which is why we're stuck because democrats have not been willing to fund the government so far without a clear path on daca. right now what i'm hearing from democratic senators is they want some additional assurances from senator mcconnell. his language simply i intend to move forward with an immigration bill if there's nothing by february 8th is not an open question. >> bill crystal, you know why the president's instincts shared by many people are not rooted in fact. there are surely some immigrants
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who do commit crimes. but when we're looking at the hardline stance, when we're looking at who the daca recipients are or headlines we read this weekend, a doctor lived in the country for 30 years being deported, or the headline two weeks ago, 21 people illegal immigrants here at 7-elevens, they were working at 7-elevens. they weren't in 7-eleven parking lots robbing people. are the president's instincts simply without fact or at the very least misguided. >> i think a lot of people on the hill think the president is not a reliable guide on this or other issues. i think garrett's reporting a couple minutes ago, i just want to reiterate something he hinted at but didn't quite dot the i on which is the republican leader, mitch mcconnell and democratic leader chuck schumer are negotiating. and their members are negotiating even more. they're going to work this out. they may not work it out in an hour, but i think it's pretty close. it's pretty obvious what the underlieings of the deal are
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just how much mitch mcconnell can assure, le jet matly been assured they're going to get a vote on daca which they are incidentally. for me this is a big moment. i think it's a moment where members of the senate or both parties may liberate themselves for feeling they have to get approval or cover or sign-off from the trump white house. chuck schumer played that one more time, tried to get donald trump onboard and it blew up. i think the real story is the republicans who may have decided they don't work for donald trump, they're elected officials and representatives and willing to go ahead in policymaking in this area and i would say in other areas going forward without waiting for the trump white house to give them guidance, which you can't depend on the trump white house to do. so i think this could be a big moment in the liberation of congress and particularly some of the republican members of congress from the trump white house? >> bill, wouldn't that be stunning? many people voted for president trump because they thought they would get a business minded pragmatic leader who could deal with both sides. and now at this historic moment
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that you believe we're on the precipice of we could end up seeing guys like mitch mcconnell find their way to the middle while the president's holed up in the white house with an empty desk holding a phone taking pictures saying i'm working real hard. >> stephanie, step back, don't you think -- look at the debate we're having. basically republican senators are going out of their way to assure they want to make a deal on daca. that was not spirit of the trump campaign two years ago, wasn't the spirit of the trump administration a year ago really. so i think that's itself interesting. not to say we've got a deal or there aren't honest differences in terms of how you handle the parents of the daca recipients and so forth. obviously complicated set of policies immigration, but trump is not -- trump is doing damage in my opinion to the national discourse by what he says about immigration and immigrants he and his administration have been making all weekend putting the interest of immigrants or
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illegal immigrants at times at odds with the interest of american citizens, as he puts it. as if a lot of immigrants don't become american citizens. as if that's not the original source of the american citizens. i think it's bad for the country divisive and exploitive rhetoric he's using. think of sarah sanders, didn't you play this earlier she says about chuck schumer who's been there an awful long time, cut an awful lot of deals, he doesn't understand the policy process, senator schumer. that kind of contempt from a staffer for one year and doesn't know -- i'll leave it at that, been in government for one year for the democratic leader, fine, he's from the other party. no white house in the past spoken about the leader of the other party that way. certainly not some staffer who's been there one year. so i think an awful lot of members of congress, especially in the senate but even in the house are looking at this white house and thinking finally, i would say, you know what, i'm elected, i'm supposed to make decisions. i'm supposed to work with my colleagues in my party and across the aisle and i'm going
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to do it. >> when i heard sarah huckabee sanders earlier today say chuck schumer doesn't understand big policymaking decisions -- actually, let's just share that. >> i know that sometimes members like senator schumer need a little help and guidance getting through big policy negotiations like that, but the president's laid out what he wants. if they need help understanding that, we'd be happy to send some people over there to explain it to him. >> so that's cute and sassy, but let's get real, sahill, sarah huckabee sanders put politics aside saying that chuck schumer doesn't understand policymaking. who on god's green earth does the white house plan to send on over to chuck schumer's office to teach him how policy's made? jared, ivanka, sarah herself or kellyanne conway who earlier today on fox news said the president has been crystal clear on where he stands on immigration, when you and i both know that's not the case. in the last two weeks alone he told dianne feinstein that republicans want to work with
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democrats, they want a bill with heart and a clean daca bill. so he absolutely has not been clear. so who is the white house going to be sending over to help chuck schumer understand policy? >> well, that's a bit of a bizarre back and forth between the white house and senator schumer and the heat of this government shutdown now in its third day. but you're right, nobody thinks senator schumer, what you think about him, isn't well versed in this issue. he was a member of the gang of 8 in 2013. he's worked on this issue for a long time. the real dynamic to watch right now is less i think between the white house and senator schumer. that's more of a blame game. but between the white house and senator mcconnell. it looks like mcconnell has been saying for a while he wants the white house to sign-off before moving toward a deal. that's why he was hesitant because the white house was not there. last night mcconnell made some remarks that indicated a willingness as bill recently alluded to moments ago to move forward without necessarily approval from the white house. mcconnell's been around long
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enough to know he doesn't need a permission slip from donald trump to move forward with anything. but this is the manner in which republican leaders are conflicted. they either move forward with an issue that's dwivisive or they take heat. and mcconnell may be realizing he may not get the cover and it sounds like the senate republican leader wlo by the way has voted against the dream act on numerous occasions when it's come up now wants to move forward with it. we'll see where he goes. >> thank you so much. clearly a very important day on the hill. i want to take you back there as we are counting down to noon where there's going to be a vote that could reopen the government. right now several meetings are under way behind the scenes. all this while hundreds of thousands of federal workers are worrying about their pay. i'm going to get you an update on negotiations from republican
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welcome back to "velshi & ruhle." breaking news, a live look at
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capitol hill where voting on a procedural motion is set to begin in just a short time. senate democrats are currently huddled in a meeting talking about that vote. and the invitation from mitch mcconnell to reopen the government. >> as long as the government remains open, it would be my intention to take up legislation here in the senate that would address daca, border security and related issues. >> joining me now, ohio republican congressman jim. senator, you are donating your salary at this time but that's not going to help the fda inspector or other people that are affected by this. how can we help these people? >> we have to make sure to keep the government open. we can't have one side holding the government hostage. that's exactly what's going on
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right now. we have senate democrats who've decided to say we're going to hold government hostage until we get a daca deal. we need to just move this forward. this is a pretty simple -- i hate, by the way, i hate crs. i don't agree with them. but i'm willing to make sure we pass a cr versus closing the government down because i agree with you, i have constituents who sent me a picture of a baby who can't get his health services today and has to go to the emergency room. these are things we shouldn't be doing. this is why we have to get government open. >> it's unfortunate that the c.h.i.p. issue has taken this long to address. we should point out while democrats are taking a hard stance, not all republicans have gone with the side of the president or voted yes yet. but right now it's about trust. and mitch mcconnell has promised to take up the dreamer issue, but we know that the president has waffled back and forth in the last week and a half alone. what assurances can mitch mcconnell or you or the white house truly give democrats or the majority of the country who
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care about dreamers that this will be addressed? because it's a trust issue right now. >> stephanie, this isn't about the president. this is about congress. the president said, fix it by march, get it done. i'll sign it. you saw him say that on national tv when he had both republicans and democrats over the white house. i think we've got to quit worrying about the president right now. we got to worry about getting something done here. the president's already said he would help -- >> okay, but, sir, on friday i speak to people inside the white house and it is about the president because on friday he did shake hands and make a deal with mitch mcconnell and then hours later at the behest of steven miller, possibly general kelly, that changed. we heard from lindsey graham himself who said this is in the hands of the president and he continues to point the finger at steven miller. and lindsey graham is of course a republican. >> orveg. i don't agree with lindsey graham all the time either. and he probably doesn't always agree with me. this is about congress and the
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house doing what they need to get done. this is about getting a cr to get the government open then second thing is working toward an immigration plan toward the next three weeks. you heard senator mcconnell say he's going to be willing to open that up. i know speaker ryan has said we're going to be willing to talk about legislation when it comes to immigration. let's quit talking about the president. let's talk about the house and the senate. because then you can talk about the president to me in three weeks if he doesn't agree to a bill that the house and senate has passed, i'd be more than willing to come on and say, yep, he didn't do it. but right now it's the house and senate that has to get their job done. >> but can you understand why people feel uneasy about trusting that sentiment? there was a great bipartisan meeting two weeks ago where the president was flanked by republicans and democrats where he said i want a bill with heart. i want a clean daca bill. and then a day later when the transcript came out, the white house left those words out. so there's an issue in there where trust doesn't exist.
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is this a moment where democrats and republicans can say we've known each other for decades, let's find a path. >> this is a moment where they should do that, american people want this done. let's talk about the president after we get a bill done. let's not talk about things that are in closed doors in quiet rooms where nobody has the press there. that's always what frustrates me because people say things that maybe not are 100% true, but i know one thing that is true, the american people want a daca fix. they want an immigration plan fix. they want immigration reform done. that should happen in this house. it should happen in the house. it should happen in the senate. then let's talk about things after if the president decides not to sign it. i'm a big believer in this president. i think he will sign something if we can get it passed out of the house and the senate. >> we will see. that vote's going to take place at 12:00. and i know americans would like to see the government open. congressman, thanks so much for joining me today. >> thank you, stephanie. >> all right. here's a live look at the hill
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welcome back to "velshi & ruhle." it is day three of the government shutdown. right now the senate just reconvened as we await a key vote by the senate to get things up and running again. the plan is to reopen and fund the government for a total of three weeks and resolve other issues during that time. the procedural vote is set for high noon eastern time. and it needs a total of 60 votes to pass. that means they need some democrats in the mix. right now it is uncertain whether there are enough of those democratic votes to reach the 60-vote threshold. and as congress works out that deal to address those issues, hundreds of thousands of federal workers are waiting to find out how long they'll be going unpaid. and i'm talking low level workers. they got to work at 9:00 a.m. to find out if they're off without pay. so that was gas in their car they had to put in order to find
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out if they had to work today. furloughed, that could be in the cards, or if they're considered essential personnel. those being sent home will leave after a four-hour workday when they're expected to set out of the office messages, tie up any loose ends and turn in their work phones all without knowing when they're coming back. thanks to agency contingency plans, we have an idea of what specifically will close and what's going to stay open. federal courts, veterans hospitals, customs and border protection, usda food inspections and the tsa will all luckily continue to operate, but without pay in many cases. the post office will continue uninterrupted since they are funded independently. the state and energy departments will continue at limited capacity until their funds are exhausted. as will the epa, 95% of department of education workers -- department of education workers, that's school, our kids, they're going to be off the job. along with more than half of the
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treasury department, 50% of health and human services staff are expected to be sent home. remember, we got a flu crisis going on and almost 40% of the transportation department. that is just a sampling of the impact on the federal workforce. fda safety activities, the irs audits and refunds of the faa aircraft registry will be among the shuddered activities. if a furloughed employee does want to come to work, they're barred from doing so by law. back in 2013, 850,000 workers were affected. about 40% of the federal workforce and in 2013 those workers were awarded backpay. but there's no guarantee that will happen this time. adding to the uncertainty for hundreds of thousands of families. the shutdown will also cost the economy tens of million per day. economists estimate upwards of $6 billion was shaved off the country's fourth quarter gdp back in 2013.
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i want to bring back "the washington post" political reporter eugene scott and bill kriz tal, founder and editor of the weekly standard. this is a huge issue for people across the country. and the white house continues to take a partisan stand. bill, i know you sent out a pretty notable tweet over the weekend. but i want to share the outgoing message from the white house. let's take a listen. >> thank you for calling the white house. unfortunately, we cannot answer your call today because congressional democrats are holding government funding, including funding for our troops and other national security priorities hostage to an unrelated immigration debate. >> bill, let's comment on that. >> i mean, i worked at the white house 25 years ago, it was a different era, but the idea you would have the white house operators record a tweet -- record a message when you call the white house, the white house residence, the president of the united states, the white house is the white house of the u.s.,
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not of the democrat or republican party or democratic party. record something that attacks democrats is so out of the question. it's even hard to express. maybe i'm just old fashioned and maybe this is the world we live in and everyone's totally partisan and career workers at the white house are ordered to record partisan messages. it's wrong. i do think the disrespect of the trump white house has revealed to me what it's been for an year is incredibly partisan, all about president trump, about what he wants no sense of institution and taxpayer and citizenry. they talk a lot about the american citizens but don't actually act that they are the place american citizens are supposed to look to for nonpartisan guidance and not personal guidance occasionally and for standing above the squabbling of the shutdown. i would say on the shutdown, sadly, this vote i'm not sure will happen in half an hour. might get postponed. i do not believe you'll get a vote where 50 republicans and 10 governments open the government. schumer will not permit that to happen. if he's lost control with the
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conference, he will cut a deal with mcconnell. can't afford the party split in that way. i would suspect still short at this, maybe few more hours of negotiations, maybe one more not, god knows i could be wrong but i think this is heading to a resolution where both sides can sort of say they won something. for me the big picture is we're likely to move on immigration reform in the next month, six weeks and it's likely to include daca, you know, a victory for the democrats basically on daca. and something donald trump is not going to be part of. again, congressman renacci, i'll be quick, was on just before i was talking to you, it's interesting, he's a trump supporter, a republican from ohio, not a noted rebel or anything and said, god, can't we work this out members of congress ourselves, we're not looking to the trump white house to work this out. >> wouldn't that be a huge win for the united states, eugene, if the republicans sort of win and democrats sort of win, it gives no one the opportunity to gloat and pounce all over the other guy. and that's exactly what the
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united states needs. because at this point we're holed up in corners listening to no one but our own echo chamber. >> it would be a huge win. and it would be a fulfillment of a promise president trump made to the american people a year ago during his inauguration. he said he was going to be a unifier and that was very notable considering how divisive the 2016 presidential election was. but recent polling americans view donald trump to be among the most divisive president in the united states. so when he's attacking democratic lawmakers, he may think he's attacking the enemy, but he's really attacking the american people who do not look to him to view -- to shape this issue but look to democratic lawmakers. it's important to realize that these lawmakers represent a constituent who would like to see a solution reached on daca. but it's also fair and important and appropriate to cast what your opponent is arguing in a way that your opponent recognizes. democrats are not only talking about daca in these
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negotiations. when democrats propose included funding for the opioid epidemic, disaster relief aid for puerto rico and the virgin islands and also spend funds on domestic funding programs and also on defense spending. so this isn't just about democrats pitting american children against people who arrived in the united states as minors. this is a host of issues. i think the president perhaps could do all the american people a better service in communicating that more accurately. >> then, bill, has the president boxed himself into a corner there? i mean, even listening to that outgoing white house message blaming republicans for hurting our military, it was claire mccaskill who tried to lead a vote on saturday to support our military and it was mitch mcconnell who blocked it. so we know that the president is very skilled at sort of throwing bombs out there that might not be fact based. is this where that comes to an end, bill? >> well, he's also skilled at reversing course suddenly and he'll take credit. if there's a deal, believe me,
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donald trump is not going to attack the deal. he's going to take credit and claim he was on the phone constantly with all these leaders. so i just think it is healthy that congressional republicans and democrats even senator schumer have decided they can work with each other if they have made that decision. and are going to go ahead and do so. whether the republicans have the courage to go ahead and actually pass legislation, complicated mix of compromises and things they won't and things not crazy about, without cover from the trump white house, for me that is the big question moving forward once we get through this shutdown how much congressional republicans will come from the trump white house. >> all right, gentlemen, all eyes on capitol hill just 20 minutes from now. eugene, bill, they might not get the votes now but it sounds like you gentlemen think we're heading toward a solution. and here's a live look at the senate floor. that debate is under way as we inch closer to the new vote that possibly could reopen the government. in the last hour omb director mick mulvaney told my colleague
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we're going to continue to monitor the house floor and bring you updates as they happen. this morning, omb director mick mulvaney says reopening the government is in the hands of democrats, but remember, not all republicans have voted yes. and we don't know if they will today. you've got guys like rand paul, like mike lee who may continue to be noes. but when it came to closing the government, he said this to sean hannity over the weekend. >> the reason that obviously has evolved with this, sean, the office of management and budget is charged with implementing and running a shutdown. i found out the first time last night the person who technically shuts the government down is me, which is kind of cool. >> i'm going to say that one more time, mick mulvaney said, i found out i'm the one who technically shuts down the government and that's kind of cool. joining me live alice rivlin, senior fellow at the brookings institute and former omb
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director. let's start with that. what did you think of that statement? >> well, i was surprised too when i found out in 1995 that i was in charge of the arrangements for shutting down the government. he may think it's cool, i thought then and i think now that shutting down the government is a very bad idea. and having to be the person that made the rules for doing it was rather unpleasant. >> what could the economic impact damage be? >> oh, i think if it gets settled quickly, and i'm very hopeful that it will, i think we will probably get a positive vote today to do a three-week continuing resolution. but the real problem is not the cost of the shutdown. it's that we shouldn't be doing this at all. it's evidence that our
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policymaking process is totally broken and that we can't even make -- we can't even fund the government for the fiscal year that started months ago. and that means we're shouting, we collectively, shouting at each other across this chasm of ideology and partisanship and not actually getting anything done. the congress isn't working on the big problems that face the country. they aren't even working on a long-term budget or on how to handle technological change or how to handle an aging population. these are all problems that we ought to be talking about. and they're manageable problems, but we're so preoccupied with shooting at each other as though we were warring tribes that nothing gets done. >> then dare i say could there
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be a silver lining? while we sit here in a shutdown, a time of crisis, could this force the hands of our government leaders on both sides of the aisle to find a compromise for the benefit of the american american people? >> well, i hope so. but i think it's going to take the public saving the politicians from themselves and possibly the members of congress, especially in the senate, working to find compromises, not being so dependent on what the president wants. if the sensible people in -- on both parties, and i believe there are quite a lot of them,ing sit down as some of them have been doing in the last few days and saying we've got to hammer out a solution on next year's budget, we've got to hammer out a solution on longer run immigration policy that
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includes protecting the dreamers. but if they could do that and say to the president, we've worked on this, we have a strong bipartisan plan now, please sign it. if that could happen, it would be a great relief from this partisan bickering. >> for the american people, they would love a resolution, and they'd love to see everyone take a seat at that table and find a compromise. all right, alice. thank you so much for joining me today. i appreciate it. >> you're very welcome. >> and we're continuing to keep our eye on capitol hill. that shutdown causing confusion for some of the pentagon. this is a look at the parking lot where employees have been filing in all day. we're going to get a live update on what's been happening there. you know what you're watching, "velshi & ruhle" on msnbc. so, that goal you've been saving for, you can do it. we can do this. at fidelity, our online planning tools
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welcome back to "velshi & ruhle." we're reporting on how this shutdown is affecting government workers, including civilian employees of the department of defense. they have been showing up to the pentagon all morning just to see if they're supposed to be at
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work. nbc's hans nichols is definitely supposed to be at work. he stands by. what are you seeing at the pentagon? >> reporter: well, stephanie, we want to come out here to the parking lot to get a sense of how empty it is, how many civil january contracto contractors are leaving. normally this parking lot is full. it's at about 70%. workers came in this morning, those civilian employees, and they had four hours, no more than four hours to finish up all their paperwork, wrap up their work. we've been talking to them all morning. some of them have been sticking around. we just came from inside the pentagon. they've been sticking around to see whether or not there is a deal from the government, meaning that they can work. now, we've already seen some civilian workers trickle out. we want to wait and see how this happens. noon appears to be the cutoff in terms of when civilian employees have to be outside of that building. there are 23,000 employees, military and civilian, in the pentagon. this could be one way to measure it. we'll check back with you in a little bit. steph? >> all right. thanks, hans. let's return now to capitol
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hill. garret hake is live. give us the latest. i know we've seen democrats start filing out of their meeting. what have you heard? >> reporter: stephanie, democrats and republicans are leaving their meeting, and they're going to the floor. here's what i can tell you definitively at this point. there will be a noon vote. republicans are saying this vote will happen. it's a little bit of tea leaf reading. you don't generally bring big things like this to the floor unless you know the way it's going to go. right now all the signs are pointing to the democrats being willing to provide the votes to reopen the government. our colleague leanne caldwell just spoke to bill nelson. he was on our short list of people to watch this morning. he told leanne he's ready to vote yes. he thinks a lot of his colleagues are coming with him. so we will know at noon if that vote happens, if the votes are there in the senate. doesn't mean the government opens back up. they'll have to come back over to the house. republican members i've talked to over here are confident they will again have the votes to move this now three-week
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resolution through the house, but we should know one way or the other whether this is going to be over by dinner time tonight or whether we're looking at a longer shut down. we could know in the next 15 to 20 minutes. >> all right. well a possible yes vote is a positive, but what about the republicans who had been a no vote before? i'm talking mike lee, rand paul. do we know where they stand? >> reporter: well, two of the four republican no votes will be back in the fold. lindsey graham and jeff flake have said they will vote for this deal. rand paul and mike lee almost certainly won't. their issues with this go beyond. they have philosophical issues with the idea of continuing resolutions. they're seen as pretty much immovable nos on this. it's wovrt pointing out there are probably some democrats who will remain immovable nos. but if a chunk of the center, those bipartisan senators who have been meeting in susan collins' office all weekend long, decide to cast their votes in fair of reopening the government, that will be enough. >> that will be enough. it would be a nice reprieve from
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playing the blame game and start to find a compromise. garrett hake thank you so much. thank you for watching this hour of "velshi & ruhle." right now, our breaking news coverage continues with my friend and colleague steve kornacki. the man who counts votes. this is your jam, brother. >> it is live drama unfolding. thank you, stephanie. good day to you. i'm steve kornacki in for andrea mitchell. she's in jerusalem. we begin on capitol hill on the floor of the u.s. senate. a vote now imminent in the next few minutes. democrats and republicans just emerging from behind closed doors. you are looking live at the scene here on the senate floor. that vote to reopen the government should be coming up in the next few minutes. obviously we will be covering all of it. nbc news congressional correspondent kasie hunt is on capitol hill. she'll be with us in a minute.
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peter alexander is at the white house. chris matthews, host of "hardball," he's with us as well. and msnbc contributor robert costa. they are all set up to go with us for the next hour as this vote gets ready. we're going to start with chris matthews, my colleague here. chris, you know capitol hill very well. you've seen consequential votes before. in the next few minutes, we saw on friday night they were nine votes short of having the government reopen. we've just had the democrats and republicans meet. what do you think is going to happen? >> well, you know, it's all about daca. it's about the dreamers. the democrats have committed to these young people. they want them to stay in the country. they want the law to leave them alone and give them a path to citizenship. and the republicans don't agree. you know, i was up at a big football game in philadelphia last night. little bit of conversation there was about politics was about at


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