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shared in her book, "a house in the sky," a reference to how she survive. >> i moved around so much as a child, and then as a captive in somalia. and now i have found my house. . this is my house in the sky. >> that's all for this edition of "dateline." thank you for watching. >> i'm craig melvin. >> and i'm natalie morale less. >> this is "dateline.." >> then she wasn't. >> my initial reaction was oh, my god, what has happened. >> the mother they adored, missing. in her place, a trail of blood. >> my biggest fear was we were going to find her. >> what police found in staeds
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w stead was a puzzle. >> did you findny fingerprints? no. hair? no. >> anything. >> did one man have a motive. >> steal $300,000 and about to be exposed for it. >> except without proof, how could anyone convince a jury. >> you don't think they had any useful evidence against you. >> can anybody name anything. >> could anyone solve the miss fri. >> we, the jury find the defendant, david martin hawk -- >> held loech hello. welcome to "dateline." when someone goes missing, one of the hardest things for those left behind is not knowing the truth. was is voluntary or foul play? it the three children in this story arrived home one evening to discover their mother was
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missing, but for them, the truth about what really happened may have been the hardest thing of all. here's keith morrison. >> the key was waiting for them under the mat that evening in june 2006 outside their mom's house, silence, no one home. with are was she? she was always on time to pick them up from their dad's place. but tonight he had to drive them. this just wasn't like her. where was she? convad, the eldest put the key in the lock, opened the door. chelsa, in the middle stopped. >> once we took a few more steps in, we realized there was something wrong. >> this was the moment, the defining one. nothing the same after this. >> there was a lot of blood.
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everywhere. >> then the adrenaline kicked in. instinct took over. >> we just dropped our stuff and split throughout the house. >> conrad was 15, facility sisters 14 and 10. >> three kids trying to make sense of a frighting scene. >> there's hardly any dust any where let alone anything out of order. >> now things were anything but. >> where the desk was you could see there were papers scattered around, drawers ripped open in. >> you went into the bedroom. >> i think thats wa the first place my sister ran into and she quickly called us in and we followed her. >> what did you see there. >> there's blood on the ground. >> a lot? >> yeah. >> her mom's bed, it was made but. >> it was kind of haphazardly
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thrown together. >> my biggest fear was we were going to find her. that's what scared me most is that we'd find her somewhere in the house. >> but they did not. no debbie hawk, not anywhere. >> there was some drag marks, some kind of smear marks leading out to the garage, where they stopped. >> and debbie's van was gone too. >> my initial reaction was oh, my god, what has happened. >> the girls ran to a neighbor's house, conrad called 911. >> we went in my mom's room and the bathroom and there's blood on the car at the time. >> after the initial shock of it i start to be reasonable and thing let's not overreact. clearly sheer cut her hand with a knife or something and she raced out to the car to go to the emergency room. this is just a big misunderstanding. >> but it wasn't.
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though there were plenty of misunderstandings to come and questions that stubbornly refused to be answered like where was debbie hawk? what happened to her and what happened to sacred bond that once held three children together. back at the beginning, even the police were confused. >> this case seemed very unusual from the start. >> assigned to the case, daren mat tes son along with arend lablue. dairy farms spray across. but this one did not smell right at all thought matteson. >> it appears she was drug out of house obviously against her will. in my 28 years i've never seen that before. >> whatever happened here must have been planned, thought out.
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>> it looked like a staged crime scene. her jewelry in the bedroom neatly laid out, nothing missing but the van. >> was the intention a failed intention, perhaps, to show that she'd just left home? >> i believe it was designed to look like a missing persons case. the bed was made. >> yeah. >> most of your crooks don't do that. >> and had the perpetrator been looking for something? >> there were paper work that normally would have been put aw away, at least stacked up. it wasn't. it was scattered and this financial document was on top. >> significant? maybe. but certainly significant with the sounds neighbors reported hearing in the middle of the night, the night before debbie's kids arrived at her doorstep. >> several neighbors heard a loud scream, it was a bloodcurdling type.
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>> why did nobody call 911? >> that is not the type of neighborhood bad things happen in. >> debbie was an accomplished woman, a sales rep for a pharmaceutical firm and was immensely popular. >> she was very regal, to us, royalty. she definitely fits the bill as the princess. >> she should have been a kennedy. >> which is why the ribbons that suddenly bloomed everywhere around hanford were royal purple and the people who put the ribbons on and up also joined a search to find her. they walked the river banks, peered among the trees, not a trace. by then, as you can imagine, the whole town knew about the disappearance of debbie hawk. and they knew something else too. two days after she vanished, there was a find, and it wasn't
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good. police found her van. it was parked on the street 40 miles from home. the drug samples, medications for nasal allergies and asthma were missing. this was weird. the the windows down, keys in the ignition, the license plate had been replaced with a stolen one. >> it appears that whoever left it there wanted someone to get in and drive off. >> one more thing. the van's back seat was covered with blood. >> at that point whoever was driving would be a suspect in the disappearance. >> police were pretty sure that was exactly what the killer wanted. it was a ruse, an attempt to plant blame somewhere else. but around town some people had already begun directing blame at one individual. they thought they knew who did it. >> she had said to me if anything ever happens to me, you know where to look.
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>> but, suspicion runs fast, the truth doddles along. has it arrived even now? >> someone seemed to hold a grudge against debbie hawk but who and why? coming up. >> it was like she needs a taste of her own medicine. she's going to get hers. she's going to get what she has coming to her. >> when "dateline" continues. i'm so frustrated. i just want to find a used car without getting ripped off. you could start your search at the all-new that might help. show me the carfax. now the car you want and the history you need are easy to find. show me used trucks with one owner. pretty cool. [laughs] ah... ahem... show me the carfax. start your used car search and get free carfax reports at the all-new
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. >> you couldn't go anywhere that
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summer of 2006 without seeing those purple ribbons, a vivid reminder of debbie hawk. before long, in other absence, debbie was famous, as if everybody in town had known the woman her children so loved. >> she'd walk into the room and it just kind of brightened. >> she was all for her family, children. >> these are her parent, angie and pbud treeian tis. >> amaterial love her and miss her. >> there's a lot of lives shattered because of her demise. >> demise, yes. no getting around it now. in july of 2006, the case was reclassified from missing person to homicide, a formality, really. they knew from the moment they arrived at the house, said da
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investigator arend lablue, somebody killed debbie. >> we kept up hopes obviously for the family's sake but it was clear she was not alive based on the crime scene. >> investigators poked around debbie's life history, looking for clues. >> she was very talkative, friendly, likable. always was wind of the life of the party. >> this is debbie's sister, diane, who recalled how friends set her up on that blind date years ago. >> firecracker. >> he has the date. dav dave hawk. >> she was short, and attractive, and a lot of fun. and pretty good sense of humor. you'd say something and man, she she'd pop back with something you didn't dwequite expect.
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>> they were married within a me year. >> i think they both wanted a family and i think that was the impetus for the acceleration i guess you'd say of the relationship. >> though debbie's big sister wasn't sure a what she saw in him. >> he seemed very quiet, very opposite of my sister. >> then, before long conrad arrived, and chelsa and savannah. >> i still remember christmass where my brother and i would run around and deliver gifts to everybody. >> sadly, a lot of unhappy memories too. >> pretty much from when i can remember, fighting and arguing were pretty routine. >> after nearly nine years, this marriage, like so many others fell apart. >> we might have been a little more different than we were
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willing to admit, early on. >> even at that age coy definitely see the water was about to boil over. >> the kids were 9, 8 and 4 when the divorced was finalized. >> they learned how to navigate the choppy waters known all too well by children of divorce. >> they couldn't talk to each other really so i tried to step in and help resolve that. >> you were kind of a mediator? >> yeah. >> in a way. >> tough role for a kid to play, tint. >> i think it was easier to be the mediator than have each other yelling on the phone. >> my mom was happier. >> debbie did well enough as a pharmaceutical representative that she could buy her own home. >> there were issues. the once, after they separated during the squabbles over
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divorce, she claimed he tried to choke her. >> she said he just looked like a crazed animal, and i thought he was going to kill me. and not too long after that she had said to me if anything ever happens to me, you know where to look. >> dave said that choking thing just never happened. that he was never violent with her. >> i've never choked anybody. >> things settled down eventually. though there was always some dispute, anded things conrad says he heard his dad say about his mom, awful. >> things like she needs a taste of her own medicine. she's going to get hers. she's going get what she has coming to her. >> in fact, the very night he discovered debbie had vanished conrad told police his dad might have done this. >> i anything that would disqualify him from being able to carry that out.
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>> which is why, just hours after the kids discovered debbie missing, police called dave, woke him up and asked him to drive down to police headquarters to talk and the phone call was curious, thought investigator matteson because dave didn't ask why. >> i've received calls in the middle of the night, my first, for me, is family. what's going on. especially if it's the police department. he didn't. >> and when he arrived at interview room. >> what's going on? >> dave didn't seem to have much of a reaction at all to learning his ex-wife vg the mother of his three kidds was missing. >> at this point i have no clue as to where she might be. >> what did you expect? >> more surprise. any surprise. >> mm-hmm. >> i didn't see that at all. >> of course people do react in different ways to traumatic news. besides, dave told them he was
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at home asleep in the early morning hours when police believe debbie must have been killed and his kids said they didn't hear him leave the house. they were there too at the time. there was no evidence dave was ever at the crime scene. >> did you find any dna? no. >> fingerprints. >> no. >> hair? >> no. but then they discovered the secrets. >> coming up, a family divided. >> i don't believe he'd even be capable of doing something like this. >> my suspicion was growing stronger and stronger. >> when "dateline" continues h.
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>> he >> when hurricane cain harvey hit, he made the bold move to shut down his story. with zero foot traffic, he
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focused on web sales. >> it was a frustrating summer back in 2006 here in the farmlands of california's central valley. those purple ribbon search teams came up empty though they looked everywhere for weeks. police named dave hawk a person of interest. but he seemed to have an alibi all three kids were with him in his house the night debbie vanished, and besides there wasn't a shred of physical evidence to tie him to the scene of an apparently violent abduction. his own daughter who spent the day after with dave told the
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police it couldn't be him. >> i don't believe he would be capable of doing something like this. >> but them they started poking around the relationship and there some curious things began to emerge. >> for example, in the months before debbie disappeared, dave took debbie to court and she was fighting back. >> kim aguirrery was her attorney. >> the issuing she was dealing with m custody and support. >> he asked for a reduction in child support. why? because he claimed he only earned $6,000 a year. his salary came from his dad who paid him $500 a month to work on the almond farm. his only income. >> he lived in what i understood to be a very nice home. that's hard to do on $6,000 a year. >> so debbie asked the court for more time with the children.
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>> his response was to ask for half custody. the percent fasons were somethi 65 with debbie and he wanted to make it an even 50/50. >> and that's when the battle moved to these. trust funds set up for the children's futures. the money came from dave's father, but dave controlled the funds. and debbie was sure dave was stealing from them to support his own lifestyle. why would she think that? well, this was actually the second set of trusts established for the children. several years before, a judge caught dave's hand in the cookie jar of the first trust. dave was removed as trustee of those funds, but during the divorce dave's foather gave him sole control of a quite generous trust fund. but when investigators ran the
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ju numbers on that zbla basically suppose to be self hundred $0,000, he'd been living off it. >> something like $300,000 was missing. though dave cried poverty he brought his girlfriend, mary royer a lexus and used $60,000 to pay off divorce costs and $1500 he owed to the kids from the first set of trusts, but here, believed the detectives was the heart of the motive for murder. debbie, if she hasn't disappeared, was about to expose all that in court. >> he steals $300,000 and about to be exposed for it. >> by a woman you despise. >> certainly. >> one more piece of the puzzle. >> there was yet another strange piece of the puzzle.
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remember the documents scattered everywhere around her desk. sitting on top of the pile were the records from the children's first set of trusts, the one only debbie controlled. >> there was there is $166,000 in those. >> they focused now hard on dave. searched his home several times, carted off lots of stuff including a stun gun, which it turned out he bought a month before debbie disappeared. he told it was for home protection for his daughters and girlfriend. >> however he never discussed with mary or the children at all. didn't-de ---they did not know existed. >> they couldn't find anything to connect the stun gun to the crime. but it was odd. they also took his computer, of course, and since dave did volunteer work at a local tor church, they eased that computer as well. even cuffed him outside his
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house in full view of television cameras which were buzzing around asking did you do it. >> for the last time, no. i'm getting tired to answering that question but no means no. but the fools at the hanford police department don't seem to understand. they're on a witch hunt. >> whatever they were on, they couldn't find the evidence to arrest him. dave remained a free man. something that made his own son, conrad, very nervous. >> my suspicion was growing stronger and stronger. >> conrad had already told police about the night after he discovered his mom was missing when he saw his dad sharing a bottle of wine with his girlfriend. they opened it and toasted and had wine out on the patio with cheese and crackers. i didn't want to jump to conclusions but at the time i thought my fathered and his girlfriend have really poor taste. >> conrad and dave spent that summer on the outs.
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august, 2006, two months after his mother's disappears, child protective services took conrad to a foster home. >> there were a few altercations we had kind of like my mom went through. >> investigators talk many times to dave's girlfriend, mary. and eventually this exchange occurred. >> has he ever verbalized how much at all. >> it's not going to stop until -- dead. >> and ah-hah moment? well maybe. not quite. >> early on i thought it's never going to stop until she's dead meaning it's going to go on his whole life. i never -- never in my life thought he would kill her. never. >> so it all seemed quite suspicious. in fact, most people in town seemed to have made up their minds about dave hawk. but one of them was not the da.
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>> they kept pushing and pushing, and we septembkept sit back. >> did the cops have it wrong? >> dave hawk's long time pastor thought so. >> coming up. >> this person who is portrayed as such a monster simply isn't. >> another side of an accused killer when "dateline" continues. olay regenerist shatters the competition. hydrating skin better than prestige creams costing over $100, $200, and even $400.
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i'm dara brown. democrats are spopdsing to the release of friday's nunes memo on the russia investigation. nad ler called the memo deliberately misleading and accused republicans are trying to obstruct. >> the head of the humane society has resigned. now, back to "dateline."
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>> welcome back to "dateline." even though investigators had no physical evidence tying her husband dave to the crime, they did uncover some information about possible financial wrongdoing on his part. police considered it strong enough to warrant an arrest, but, could they get the prosecutor to agree? here with more of our story is keith morrison. >> they kept pushing and pushing. and we kept sitting back. >> the prosecutor at the time, larry crouch, told his investigators he would not charge dave hawk with the murder of his ex-wife debbie even after it was obvious this popular single mother had been murdered. even after months of searching around hanford, california
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turned up no sign of her anywhere and after police convinced themselves dave was responsible. >> we're going to wait until we find the body or give the body more time to come up. the. >> instead, a year after debbie vanished, dave was charged with em pezling, stealing more than $300,000 from his children's own trust funds. he pleaded not guilty and was released on bail and waited for the other shoe to drop. >> now, imagine this. the police, not to mention most of the town, believed their father killed their mother. leaving three children caught in the middle. conrad had no doubt his dad killed his mom. a dad he began referring to as "dave." >> i tried to cut off ties i had with him as much as i could. he was nothing to me now.
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>> but chel shsa has been and sl is her father's strongest advocate. >> i think they're upset and their relationship was not as close to my dad. they were either not home or not awake when i was awake. and they were not around him the next day like i was around him. >> chelsa says dave was acting perfectly normal the day after whatever happened happened. no odd behavior. >> so the things that convinced me about his innocence aren't there to convince them. i think this he are -- defending my mom so much so that it's like they're going to point to the most obvious suspect. >> but chelsa wasn't the only one in this small town who believed dave hawk was innocent. >> i believe what he says, that he had nothing to do with his disappearance and presumed death.
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>> sandy brown is dave's long time pastor and friend. >> this person who is portrayed as such a monster, just simply isn't. he's a man who has worked hard in the church, good father. >> as their son prepared to face serious financial charges, dave's parents, dan and lois hawk took over of over custody of chelsa and savannah, not the way they expected to spend th80, nor more than the way they expected to see their son. >> stan established those trusts for his grandchildren and says dave had the right to use the money how he saw fit to benefit the children. >> were you surprised to discover how it was used? >> yes. apparently, his financial situation was worse than i knew. >> a year passed in this gossipy limbo. now it was may, 2008, nearly two
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years after debbie's disappearance, her body still hadn't been found, and there was no new evidence tying dave from to the murder. >> dave starts sur veiling our office, police officers. eventually starts driving by an investigators home. it was getting pretty concerning out there. >> time to move. on may 29, 2008 dave was arrested an charged with first-degree murder and a special circumstance, murder for financial gain. he pleaded not guilty. when the trial finally began more than a year later, dave faced murder and the earlier embezzle. charges together. prosecutor offered the jury this theory, that dave snuck out of his house in the middle of the night without waking up his sleeping children, maybe even using a ladder to get out the
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window and got somebody to give him a ride to debbie's house and entered the bedroom. >> i think he tried the stun gun on her and she screamed loudly and he struck her with something more than once and, at that point i assume he suffocated her. >> then, said the prosecutor he must have dragged her body to the garage, put her into her own van, disposed of her somewhere and drove the van to fresno and defendant it in a high crime zone. how did he get home? that accomplice must are have picked hup up and drove him book. >> there was no body, no dna, no forensic evidence to show he had been at the murder scene. everybody in town seemed to have a near i atheory. apparently the prosecutor too. but was in a proof? so the state tried to build a bridge in dave's alleged financial crimes to the murder.
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painting him as an evil man who was going to eliminate his ex-wi ex-wife. enough? well, we shall see. >> there's a number of other explanations to what so have happened other than dave. dave was a convenient expuz u. husband. >> coming up one of his children is convinced he's not guilty. but could dave hawk convince a jury? >> i told them i wanted to testify. >> when "dateline" continues. see ya. -take care. ♪ so probably take it at night. and if you have any questions, the instructions are here in spanish as you requested. gracias. ♪ at walgreens, how we care will change over time, but why we care remains the same treating everyone with the care and attention they deserve. walgreens. trusted since 1901.
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the align. of the stars in this case was just stacked against us, stacked against dave hawk. >> at least in the harsh cord of public opinion it looked bad for dave hawk as his murder trial approached. >> we had this guy allegedly stealing from his kids, saying bad things about the sympathetic victim and all these things being widely played in the press. >> if there ever was a case for change of venue, this must be it, said the defense, after all, almost everybody seemed to have heard the accusations about dave and every time he had a court appearance, purple clad friends of debbie crowded into the public gallery. in fact, during jury selection said the attorney he actually
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heard juror the tell the judge they had already decided he was guilt. >> the j judge canned him if he order you to set those opinions aside, can you do it, well, aguess so. >> still the change of venue request kwas was denied. as was the request to separate the charges. the defense argued they were unfairly prejudicial. they wanted him to look like a bad person. >> in fact the prosecution would say dave's fear that debbie was about to reveal in open court his theft of the kids' trust fund was a powerful motive for murder. >> the fact of the matter was that was already exposed. it had already been filed. >> he would have gained nothing by getting rid of her at that stage? >> no. >> we also had the great american saying if it walks like
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a duck as quacks like a duck it's probably a duck but you're saying it's a turkey. >> the burden is on them to prove it's a duck. in this case, they toondidn't. >> the pros kurecution claimed had no evidence. his daughter chelsa insisted he could not have left the house without having heard him. >> this doesn't seem at all possible. >> and even they investigators would tell the court that the kids slept so soundly it was hard to wake them up when they went to see them one morning the defense claimed the prosecution's theory didn't add up. >> that's beyond belief that somebody would take that kind of risk, that he would sneak down the hallway, open the door, drive the 10 or 12 miles over to debbie hawk's house, subdue her, bludgeon her, load her into the van, drive it to fresno and then
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get back to his house without getting any blood on him, without being discovered. >> so what did happen to debbie hawk? the defense floated this theory. debbie worked in pharmaceutical sales. perhaps a drug a a dict had gone after the samples. >> all of the pharmaceuticals in her van were missing. >> but that was a ludicrous idea, countered the prosecution, she carried very few samples. if drug theft was behind it why didn't he take any jewelry or lec electronics, no. the it all seemed to come down to dave, his behavior, his character. own words, like a conversation with a friend on which debbie speculated what happened to debbie. the defense played in in court.
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that's what i did. >> he basically offered that i don't think she's ever going to be found. >> did it work? >> listen to prosecutor larry crouch. he went oh no, why they are putting that in? is it i thought it was harmful. >> though, what the jury thought, no one could say. then there was inevitably a conversation about whether he would testify. >> i told them i wanted to testify. >> an idea dave's attorneys did not like one bit. >> dave is a combative individual. very prideful, offended easily. >> he think he's smart and hates for anybody to think es a not smart. he'd be perfect fod fodder for a trained prosecutor. >> so dave held his tongue in court and saved his story for us. >> you don't think they had any useful evidence. >> can anybody name anything.
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>> coming up, dave hawk speaks out, and so does the jury. >> we, the jury, find the defendant, david martin hawk. >> when "dateline" continues. i s smile honey this thing is like... first kid ready here we go by their second kid, every parent is an expert and... ...more likely to choose luvs, than first time parents. live, learn and get luvs the red one is more haribogooder to me cos it tastes like berries. they're really squishy. and then i'm gonna fly it in to my mouth. ♪ kids and grown ups love it ♪o ♪ the happy world of harib♪
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welcome back to "dateline." with no physical evidence tying dave hawk to the crime scene, his defense attorneys tried to poke holes in what they saw as a
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burl circumstantial case. would this be enough to sway the jury. here with the conclusion of our story is keith morrison. >> dave hawk on trial for the murder of his ex-wife debbie, did not testify. didn't tell the members of the jury what he was thinking. he had a sinking feeling he knew what they were thinking. >> always blame the ex-husband first. >> it was an awful problem, as he saw it, had been from the day his ex-wife, debbie disappeared through a trail of her own blood. the number one suspect was him. that's what the police had been saying aalong. and that's apparently what a great many people thought in hanford, california. even as he sat here as a defendant in a murder case, even though. >> i didn't have the motive or capacity. >> you know how it could be, said dave, once people get it in your heads you did something,
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they'll tend to misinterpret everything to make you look guilty. >> i was home with my children in another town all night. but i'm being accused of being in another place committing a terrible crime based on financial shenanigans that didn't exist in the first place. >> shenanigans like for example that trust fund for his kids. his father made the terms pretty broad so he could spend the money as he saw fit any way that would benefit the children. >> the money is to be used for the health, education and maintenance of the children. and that's exactly what it was used for, and i acted legally in that respect. >> then, since they didn't have any evidence against him, said dave, prosecutors made a case based on misinterpreting things he said, like the time he said
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to a friend, if i was a bad guy, i'd throw somebody off a bridge. >> my point was they haven't looked for her. if someone had thrown her off a bridge, it would have floated do stream. >> did you throw her off the bridge? >> no i didn't throw anybody off a bridge. >> they also made a huge deal about something he supposedly said to his girlfriend about debbie. >> dave said we won't be rid of that -- until she's dead. >> i might have. but i don't remember that. that certainly does not mean that i'm going to go kill somebody. >> and then there was his own son, conrad who, after all, believed he was guilty. and told police he saw david and girlfriend mary's celebratory toast after debbie's disappearance. conrad, said dave, just didn't get it. >> whenever we open a bottle of
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wine, we always raise your glasses and say cheers. it's just a tradition. we were not toasting anybody's anything. >> why have you never been able to persuade conrad of your innocence? >> i don't know. he knows i was at home the whole time, never left. didn't have any involvement in anything illegal, but he's perhaps angry, and needs to fill in the blanks with something. >> well, maybe he's angry at his dad because his dad killed his mom. >> his dad didn't kill his mom. >> he thinks so, though. >> he could be wrong. >> so, who did kill debbie? dave has an opinion about that too. the. >> who else wanted her dead. >> maybe the boyfriend who was
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stalking her? 24 was something wrorted to the police and they swept it under the rug apparently. it was an ex-boyfriend. >> of course investigator rs said they did look into that and other leads too, but they all dame back to dave and one primary motive. so, some cross-examination. prosecu prosecutes said you killed her because she was going to expose your -- >> weren't you afraid your father was going to find out what you were doing with that money, your father who lovingly put the money into the trust fund before you could have syphoned it out? >> i really don't like the way you're characterizing these things. i really don't like the way the prosecutor has accused me of -- >> whether you like it or not, those are the accusations. >> yeah. and they're not right. they're wrong. they're false. which part did you not understand. >> what part did i not understand? what i understand is you bought a $27,000 car, using trust fund
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money. you took a trip to hawaii with your girlfriend. you paid off your divorce attorney's fees and money you took from the first set of trusts by taking $60,000 out of the kids' second trust if under. >> the money was use fod are the children. >> which child drove the lexus. >> all three children were driven in the lexus. >> which child went to whawaii n vacation. >> perhaps that was my own money. the pros kurtser never figure. >> you made it hard because you were mixing up ut trust fund money all the time. frankly, that's what skamg artists do. >> why didn't you go get a job? i had a job. >> talking about a job that actually paid enough to support your family. which is what a dad does. >> you're reading from a script that the prosecutor's given you apparently because none of these
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things are true. >> a guilty man? or not? the jury did not take very long to decide. >> we, the jury, find the defendant, david martin hawk, guilty of the murder of debbie hawk. >> guilty of murder and nine financial crimes. dave hawk was sentenced to spend the rest of his life behind bars. but was that the end of this story? not in the least. his defense foreign appealed the case as high as he could, even trying the supreme court, which declined review. then, in march, 2016, ten years after debbie hawk disappeared, a farm hand found her remains in a field. debbie's father, bud tree yacht tis had a dying wish she could be found. he left the earth a week before. the children.
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>> it's complicated. >> yup. >> is this created a rift between the two of you? >> yes. >> >> surely not easy going for the children of dave and debbie hawk. >> we do the best we can. >> that's all for this edition of


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