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>> please, entertainment. >> i'm going to start for now. what a 24 hours it has been. literally 23 hours ago i was standing in front of this board in the biggest point drop in the history of the dow. this market has been fluctuating wildly today. it was down almost 600 points earlier, now a different story. now it is up 1.3%. this is the chart of everything going on today. up down up down. this is fairly normal. this gives me hope that everyone has not lost their senses. we're going to keep a close eye on this market. i want to talk to you about another big story that just broke in the last hour. the president of the united states just suz that. >> if we don't change this, get rid of the loopholes, where
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killers and gang members can come into our country, if we don't change it, we'll have a shut down. we'll do a shut down and it's worth it for our country. i would love to see a shut down if we don't get this taken care of. >> garrett hake from capitol hill. last i know there was not a big chance. if there was no continuing resolution, there seemed to be a sense of getting something done, but there was an absence of something firm on immigration, and the president says what he just said. tell us what it means. >> it has no basis in the legislative reality of what's going on on capitol hill right now. the discussion on capitol hill is based on the idea that the government will stay open this week. senate leadership is very close,
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i'm told, to a big picture deal on budget caps. no one i have talked to in the last two days up here said anything suggesting there is any likelihood of a shut down particularly over the immigration issue. the bill is expected to go to the floor in the next week. this is an open process that has been advertised by mitch mcconnell. what the president is describing there sounds like what he and the republicans accused of democrats doing in the previous shut down mainly saying i have a specific opinion on an unrelated issue, and if i don't get what i want on it, i'm willing to starve the government, shut down the government, withhold federal doesn'ting. if a bigger deal passed, the president is saying if i can't get what i want i will withhold
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my signature on funding the government. just an extraordinary moment, completely out of touch. jeff, a lott of things happening in the white house. we heard from the president, we're going to heard from sarah huckabee sanders. and i'm graduation had become a central focus, but now this is going to distract. it is not in keeping with the congressional meeting if. >> yeah, he was hearing from congress, local officials, officials from the department of
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security. ms 13 is a boogy man of this administration. at the end, the president then said look, if the democrats don't kogt togethget together o willing to push for a shut down. there was a remarkable moment when barbara comstock pushed back and said we don't knee a government shut down on this and he said you can ask what you want, and then getting clarity on the comments, the president said i think it is worth it, we don't have a country without a border. he thinks the members of congress will agree with him.
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>> jeff, thank you very much. thank you, neither of you go too far we may need you back here. congressman, thank you for being here, congress has a constitutional obligation. you can sometimes end up with a shut down. the shut down of the government is very bad and it is a consequence of congress not doing what it is supposed to do. when did it become a weapon, when did we weaponize a shut down. >> the first thing i will tell you is that no one should be celebrating the possibility of a government shut down. the government under normal circumstances should be open and fully operational. what i will say is that regrettably in recent years members of both parties used these points of inflection, these government funding opportunities to press other
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issues forward. what i can tell you though i don't agree with the president caller if a shut down, is that there are many people up here that like the president are frustrated. congress hasbates immigration reform. really for 12 years since george w. bush called for it in 2006. so it is very frustrating that we cannot get to a solution. having said that i agree with your reporting there are a lot of good conversations going on here a lot of progress has been made and i think we will see senate action soon. hopefully that is the light at the end of the tunnel. >> the failure to get proper immigration reform done is also bipartisan. i want to play for you something that was shocking to me, john kelly talking about dreamers that did not sign up. the number that are in the daca system versus other people who would be streamers but did not
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sign up, here is what john kelly had to say. >> the difference between 690 and 1.8 million were the people that some would say were too afraid to sign up, others would say are too lazy to get off their [ bleep ] -- >> that sort of stuff doesn't get us to a solution. >> that language doesn't help. i don't think he was expressing he feels that way, but why say that when we know that a lot of young people that did come forward it took a lot of courage. they said you might be signing a deportation order, so i understand why some others decided not to come forward and not sign their names and become subject to a background check. that type of language does not help. it has happened before. we have to stay focused on the goal.
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young immigrants in this country through no fault of their own, who love this country, that is why it is worth doing something. >> when the white house says our dow just about to cross 500 points to the upside. 500 points to the upside, what goes down comes up. congressman when the white house says these daca recipients are not priorities for deportation, as you mentioned most of them if they're not in school are working and your employer is not likely to keep you on if you're out of status. >> right, ali, that is exactly right. they're lives will be instantaneously devastated. they are young people who are working or contributing, paying taxes, most employers are not going to take the risk of keeping them on the payroll if they no longer have a legal or protected status in this
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country. it's not enough to say oh, it's okay, they're probably not going to be deported. these are people's lives we're talking about. these are people who lived 20 and 25 years in our country in some cases. i think we really have to be more sensitive. >> congressman, thank you for your leadership on this issue. i pray we come to a resolution in the name of these 700,000, 800,000, or 1.8 million, but in the name of what this country stands for and the immigration. >> breaking now, jeff flake and outspoken critic president trump took to the floor and came after they suggested that senators were treasonous for not clapping during the state of the union. >> mr. president, respect is earned, not commanded.
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awe please signals agreement in an idea, not loyalty to the country. they love our country as much as we do, to suggest otherwise is unconscionable. this is not a royal court. our oath is to the constitution and the people. as members of congress, we must not accept undignified discourse. never should it be regarded as normal. we must not allow ourselves to lapse into thinking this is just the way things are now. we will get through this period. when we do, we will look back at the destruction of our discourse, and the attacks on our democratic values as nothing but a tragedy. may we also be able to say they
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were an aberration. that, my colleagues, is up to us. this is destructive behavior. >> the senator was referring to these comments by president trump yesterday. >> you have half of the room going totally crazy, wild, loved everything, they want to do something great for our country and you have the other side, even on positive news, really positive news, like that, they were like death. and un-american. un-american. someone said treasonous, i mean why not? >> a white house spokes person insisted that the president made the comment jokingly saying it was tongue and cheek. i want to get back to the headline from 24 hours ago. here is the stock market 23
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hours ago. we're up 465 points on the dow. now we're up. that's why i said don't panic. but you heard terms like a correction. a correction is when the market falls 10% from the 52 week high. each of the bull markets in the last few years has had a correction until this one. it's a natural on car insurancc. the bull market we're in is the second longest on record. it started in 2009. the opposite of a bull market is a bear market. that is a period where stocks have decreased over a period of time. what we saw in the last few days was not a bear market, it's a
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pull back. that was a downward reversal. the other term you may have heard in sberchs to what happened 24 hours ago was the do you dropping about 1,000 points, some people prefer to that as a flash crash. it is a rapid and teep fall. we saw that happen on may 6th, 2010. yesterday's record, was that the drop was 4.6%. i never want to think about the point numbers because it changes depending on how high the do you is. it doesn't even crack the top 20. 1987, we remember that. 1929, 1899. you don't want to see a 4.6% loss in a given day, but it is important to have this
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perspective. you have seen kevin before, he is an old friend with a good job. kevin, good to see you, thank you for being with us. >> you look like a weather man a little bit. >> i'm a frustrated weather man, that's what issue is. so what some people find interesting is that on friday morning people woke up and at 8:30 on friday as you get every first friday of a month, you get the unemployment report and it was good. >> especially wages, right? >> yeah, wages went up, we have seen this since 2015. most people saying hey, that is fantastic, except for investors that then dumped their stocks.
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>> the fundamentals of the economy are strong. not since i have been in government, but for the longest time is that if we had a corporate tax cut we would start to see wage growth. i think what happened in the markets is people looked at the high growth and started to have inflation worries. it happens very much in bull markets and it is something that we're monitoring closely. we are in contact with financial regulators. but the bottom line is that there has been lots of good news and it made bond markets a normal opportunity. >> so i will put up a screen that shows hourly wages from 2007 to now. it takes -- >> i key it. >> it takes a drop, and it slowly gets it's way back up.
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why is it bad for the investing class? >> in the long run it's not. most of their income is labor income. if there is earnings growth, ultimately prices will catch up with that. the market doesn't head straight up, it goes up and down, and ultimately the fundamentals are why it comes back up after it goes down. the economy grows, earnings grow, and firms will be worth more.
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varyability. while we have 4.1% unemployment, it should be amazing, but there is a clutch of people in america, some work in coal mining. some are exmanufacturing workers, and no matter how low we get we're not touching that group as effect i havely as we can. what do we do. no amount of economic voiian si solves their problem. >> it should have dropped in the last few years. the peak retirement age is 62. we expected it to drop but we didn't. and i know you like to make
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charts, but the median wage is advancing a a higher rate than the average rage, and the average is being brought down. people are being connected. they're coming in on the bottom rung. so i think there is plenty of signs, the fact that the average and the median have divergent plans right now? >> do we have a way that we have to think about how those people get brought back into the productive workforce? >> and this is something that president trump really focused on from the beginning when i started here last summer. one of the least appreciated
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parts of the tax big is what they call is the opportunity zone measure. they allow people to mope their big, and that too is worth a whole segment. >> yeah, we always appreciate your engagement, thank you. >> all right, let's take a look at the white house briefing room, we will hear from sarah sanders any minute now. plus, we'll take you to florida, i don't know if i was the white house if i would schedule a press conference twlen is going to be a press conference. wait until you hear what the robert is carrying into outer space, stay with us. ♪ that you'll ever need ♪ staying ahead isn't about waiting for a chance.
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okay, i really can't contain mice here, we're minutes away from the space x rocket launch. the thrust on this thing is something like 18 747 jumbo yets. it will be history in the making. it will be the same as was used half a century ago. we're going to go to elon musk.
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when that lawns, there will be a lot of spoke, that is a big thrust. so anyway, tom will be around to tell us is going on. i don't really care what else is happening, we will show that rob et launch. the issue of russia continues to get in the way. the new york times says his legal team wants him to avoid a meeting with robert hoouler. they're also debating whether or not to release the response to that nunes memo from last week. joining me is ken delaney.
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she voted to impeach president nixon. let's see, what did the president's people say about on our off of the record about where they don't want him interviewed? >> they think it is a perjury trap. they are deeply concerned, it's not fair for any defendant it would be difficult. >> yeah, and the vice president, convicted, and trump is a man who was caught lying 30 times by some counts in a 2007 deposition. a lot of peril for him to sit down. >> if you're under oath, if
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you're in front of a grand jury, you're cop pells not to lie, and if you do the consequences are steep. maybe they're different from the president, but he is a man who has been proved to have lied in the pact and they're probably worried he may do so again. >> yeah, and that he may have something to hide. we're talking about the fact that he just lies in general. he is a math logical our serial liar. what if he really has something to side. >> can muler force him to testify? >> yes, for sure in that circumstance, he will contest it. he will say there is no power, it's a witch hunt, fake investigation, democratic against republican, and then the
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kitchen since, and then it will go through the supreme court. and the case where nixon was forced to produce the tapes, the case was called the united states against richard nixon. this case will be the united states against trump. trump likes to think of himself as the united states, but in this case he will not be, and i think will be kriered to testify. will trump? we don't know. i think it is very, very dangerous. that is part of the reason i think that trump has been attacking muler and the
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investigation from as early as a year ago. he wants to say i don't have to o bay or respond so something that is a fake and a fraud. >> you mentioned this is not a slam dunk. if they want him to testify, they have cards up their sleeves? >> yeah, they can fight it, litigate it, but the supreme court decision should prevail. then he faces the question of does he assert the fifth amendment. but that is the reason most analysts think that he is space the information. he can say i'm not getting a fair shake, i'm taking the fifth. >> if a grand jury.
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is issued, it could come up just before the elections in november. >> when does congress take part. >> the ang near we have seen some anger. but ultimately, at what point is congress compelled to say "well take this." >> if the president defies the supreme court. that is really grounds for impeachment. will they move in that way? i will be very disappointed. i lived through watergate, the president did bad, but the rest of the institutions of the government did good. the supreme court justices, the
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whole court, voting to require nixon to comply. you had a republican district court judge tracking the whip. you had action in the senate and the house. here we don't have it. we don't have the mcommittees d the thorough investigations. so we didn't facility anything to do with water gate and the special prosecutor excement that nix nixon's firing became grounds for the impeachment. >> amtdam schiff wants to make sure the democratic response to the memo gets out there. here is what he said. i think here is what he said, do we have that? all right, i heard what he said. >> we want to make sure that the
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white house does not redact our memo f me memo for political purposes. what he is worried about is that the white house will request reda redactions. >> under what grounds? >> they would assert national security is that it will be to protect them from embarrassment. >> is there a time line as to how -- the white house has this time line, right? >> the white house has fei days, the president has fei days to object to the publication of this. but he can also do, like he did, agree to declassify it sooner than that.
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>> but during water gate when nixon claimed national security for false reasons, that became the basis for impeachment. >> so they better think they should get their is dotted. >> yeah, we're in serious territory here. there is no national skurlt basis aba -- security basis, it could be a grounds for impeachment. all right, let's go back to the space launch that you have in the bottom right corner of your screen. the rocket launch. the smoke that we saw earlier is just part of the fuelling process. an the smoke you saw there may be that as well. all systems are a go. this will be the world's most powerful rocket.
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tom, i'm glad you're there. earlier i said if tom was here, he could tell me why i'm seeing smoke 20 minutes before the launch. >> it is all part of the normal loading, and trillion is out in california, in l.a., they say if we go into another hold, that would be it for the day. they would screw ub for the day. at the moment we're go for launch, and the scheduled lift off time is still a test vehicle, a test rocket. you have three rockets tied together, and they will lift off with a tlaus hrust off with fiv
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million pounds. they will be moving or combining their thrust at the same time, we will reach what they call maximum q. and that's when the load, the shaking, the vibrating and the attention will hit maximum level. if it starts to come apart, that is when it could happen. but everything has to work perfectly. 27 engines working together to lift it up. we have canceled shuttle launches, and then you have to go back to apollo. the last one was in 1973. and now this is an unmanned
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mission to see if they can bring satellites and maybe humans to the moon and mars. it is a big day for space x trying to get people and material up into space. >> and this is a day in history. if this were to happen, we have entered a new place. when i was at strutle launches before the launch, even if they think they're ready to go, they have to go through a list of people that have to sign you have, go for launch, and anyone can stop it in the last minutes before takeoff. generally speaking if they have not scrubbed it with ten minutes out, they have a sense it is generally good to go? >> yeah, right now everything looks very good, but the winds are the variable. and they're monitoring the systems very carefully. the propellant making sure everything is stable and ready to go. as you go through that final
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checklist anyone can call a halt at any moment. at this point, you're not worried about astro naughts on board. other than this precious cargo, that is elon musk's personal dede teala that will play david bowie for infinity. it is all about the rockets playing together and staying together and creating a lift up into space. >> the distance that you are from the launch pad is pretty great, but you can hear it and feel it. tell us when we're watching it, if it were to happen, what we should be looking for and expecting to see, what normal
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would look like. >> i think that if it all goes off as planned, it will be a very, very loud event. rivaling what we had with the shuttle missions, of course. maybe even a little more of a roar than that, and we will feel the rumble as this thing soars into space. interesting though what they really want to do, what is critical for a success model is that they bring all three rockets safely back down to earth so they can reuse these rockets. when they come back down, we expect to hear sonic booms from at least two of the three rockets. so that will also be something quite extraordinary to hear and see. i want to give you the exact time that we expect that to happen. we expect the core and second stage will separate 3:07 into flight. the side boosters will separate
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at 2:33 into flight, so the question is at what point will it start to come bang down? we expect that we will have two land in florida, and another one in the water about 20 sengds later. >> so in eight minutes we'll see some of that stuff, what kind of count down are we expecting, is this like a nasa count down? >> yeah. i have it n a box already. already, this is a 21st century start up from california. they're on youtube right now broadcasting live. and it will be live through the channel. you're dollar with mission
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control. this is a little more 21st century and silicon -- a little more casual and start uppy? >> absolutely. >> you will see them a little more casual. >> i think this is their feed they're looking for right now, if you see the top corner of the screen, we are at the moment, no one has scrubbed the launch. so we're 6:00 away from launch, so the way if you're watching this, they run through everythi everything. i have seen them scrubbed with a minute to go. >> that is absolutely right, it can go down to the very last few seconds, the launch director will say that we're go for
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launch. that is 465 seconds before liftoff. so therefore, this thing starts to light at three seconds before lift off. when you're within a minute, we're going. >> you talked to elon earlier, and he increased the chances but he started by saying it is a 50/50 chance it's not going to work. i have never seen him so happy and bubbly. he was trying to contain himself, if we just don't blow up the pad, i'm happy. then he says if we clear the pad
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i'm really happy, but let's not kid ourselves, he says there is a 50/50 chance it will blow up on the pad, or 50/50 it will clear the pad and head for this mission, if it does, it will go for a solar or bit, and this is not a trip to mars, it is a solar robert it. >> and just to be clear. i'm going to ask you if we can bring steve up here now. as you know he is as astro physicist. he just ran down to check something and i'm going to ask him to come back up as well. >> an there is an end game now. we're now 3:30 left.
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okay welcome breaking news, we have a start up of the engines. the falcon heavy flight computers have taken control of this. the countdown is under way, it will not be stopped at this point unless mission control stops it now. >> so far we're a go. what do you think, steve, is it
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going to go? >> yes, i think so, it is very exciting, we don't get a chance like this very often. >> what is the biggest risk right now? >> i think the structural load as it goes through maximum loading. if it makes it through the maximum loading we're good to go. >> there we go, launch. wow. >> wow, that's bright. get ready for the noise. look at that. wow, that's bright.
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>> we're going to let you know what to expect. we're coming up to a minute in space. at 2:33, the side boothers will separate. that is the first sign of success if they separate at 2.33. let's listen in and watch the first sign of success of the falcon heavy. >> maximum queue right now. and it continues to operate perfectly. >> this is a good sign so far. we need to cross the 2:30 minute mark to see if the first separation occurs, 30 seconds later we will see the score
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separate. we're now 1.30 into this flight and it has gone off seam leales. >> yeah, we have to watch for the size boosters at 3:07. this looks like a perfect day for them. >> it looks fantastic right now. i have worked for nasa for 37 years and i have never seen a large rocket launch for the first time. it is very exciting. >> i have stood here for nbc news as steve was in a shuttle going up into space, and i have never felt that much of a rumble here. >> the whole building was shaking, very impressive. no one knew what to expect, it has never flown before. >> absolutely phenomenal. >> so this thing is going 5,000 kilometers per hour. >> ready for booster celebration. >> three seconds.
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there we go. booster separation. and there you have history in the making. the booster rockets are coming off. they have separated successfully. you are now looking for the core separation, that's the next thing to happen inside of ten seconds. this is now 75 kilometers in the air. this is the next -- >> the rockets will be back on the ground in five minutes. and that is it. you have the core separation. there you go. listen to the screaming in the background. listen to the cheering. wow. this could not have gone better, ali. elon musk's team must be very proud. you can hear them now at their
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command center in los angeles. 9800 kilometers in the air. 1,000 kilometers per hour. 115 kilometers in the air, i'm sorry. stage one and stage two separation take place successfully. this looks like a success so far? >> i don't think it could have gone any better, do you? everything down to the money, down to the second has been right on the money for them. >> farce we can tell. we're not looking at the numbers, but the vision really speaks for itself. it lifted off beautifully. we're supposed to see the side boosters land in about another four minutes or so. >> 7:58 into the flight we expect the rockets now to come back down to earth, and we expect to hear sonic booms any moment when they reenter the
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atmosphere? >> yeah, each one will bring two sonic booms. >> are you likely to hear that where you are? >> yeah, we have a realtime shot, moments ago we saw the an out. i remind people, this is 12,000 kilometers an hour. that's the speed. i mean, it's -- what a picture. obviously, the camera's on it. you're seeing what seems to be a static picture at 12,000 kilometers an hour, 146 kilometers into the air. into space. so this is a remarkable, remarkable shot. you were saying, tom, this is the thrust of 18 boeing 747s. it sort of -- you know, combined. >> no, it is tremendous thrust and let's have steve put it into perspective, 5 million pounds of thrust. the truth is, the shuttle had a bit more thrust, but it was carrying a bigger payload, right? >> right. the shuttle had up to around 7.2 million pounds of thrust. make no mistake.
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a 5.1 million pounds of thrust, by now in space, it was up to about 5.5 million pounds of thrust. that is a huge rocket by any standard. >> the fact they've been able to pull this off, a private comp y company, run by a billionaire, and very, very smart people, tells you what about the future of space travel in this country and around the world? >> it does. i teach at university, and for many of the aerospace engineering students, this is their goal, to work r for a company like spacex. >> all right. any second now we should be hearing the sonic booms. >> got a little less than two minutes before the boosters actually touch down here in florida. >> so when do you think you're going to hear the booms then? >> touch down we hope on a floating platform. >> about 200 miles south of here. >> steve, he's asking how soon do you expect to hear the booms, what you think is is. >> should be just before landing. maybe just a few seconds before landing. >> will you hear it where you are? >> it's so bright here -- that's what we hope to hear. because it's so bright here, we can't actually see the monitors.
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whoa, we have got the boosters right now right noeoverhead. >> wow. >> ali, we got two right overhead. >> we got one on camera, in the center of the screen. >> oh, man. >> this is just an incredible engineering feat. to be able to bring those rockets back down and hopefully land it right on target. >> truly unbelievable. we loft st -- we can't see it i the shot. >> they want to reuse these markets so the next mission is cheaper, of course, right? if you can reuse your parts, that's an amazing accomplishment. now, they've done this before, but never combined with three of them on a single "falcon heavy." >> there we go, we've got another picture of it now, 173 kilometers into the air, 19,000 kilometers per hour now. this thing is accelerating, 19,000 kilometers per hour. we're just watching this.
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>> well, we have not heard the sonic -- oh, now we see them coming down perfectly, perfectly, right -- >> look at that. wow. >> look at that. >> that's incredible. it looks like a science fiction movie. >> there you see it. there it's getting ready to land. >> you're witnessing one of the greatest engineering accomplishment. >> is look at that. they're landing vertically there. >> that we have seen in decades. >> both down. both rocket have touched down smoothly eight minutes into the flight. you called it at 7:58. it's almost exactly on time. >> more booms. >> you heard them? >> we had them. we had them right here. it shook the whole building. steve, you teach this stuff to tomorrow's astronauts or engineering experts. how big of a day is this? >> i just want to say congratulations to everybody at spacex, you know you went
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through all of that school, all of that difficult learning. this is the payoff. you're in an invigorating and -- >> hold on, guys. i want to -- they're flipping between a bunch of feeds here. for people who didn't see this, or didn't know what they were going to see, the rocket went into a vertical position and came down. it extended legs and it came down right on the launchpad that it was supposed to. on the landing pad that it was supposed to. i mean, if nothing else happened, that would have been amazing just to watch. >> absolutely. steve can't hear you, ali, but i think we concur, this is an amazing engineering feat. when i say steve teaches aeronotical engineering, aerospace engineering, he teaches ph.d. students. for these people, this is an amazing accomplishment. is this their "apollo" mission in many ways? >> it opens the door for what can become the "apollo" experience for this generation. what we're going to see next is
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humans leaving earth. it's going to take rockets -- leaving low-earth orbit. it's going to take rockets like that to accomplish that. that will be the "apollo" experience for this generation. >> tom, i want to ask you, i want -- >> go ahead. >> i just don't want our viewers to miss this. we made a decision to show this, and we're not showing the white house press briefing. i'd love for people to tweet me and tell me whether they think that was the right decision. i want to show everybody this launch again. let's rerack it and let's show everybody history in the making. >> "falcon heavy." [ cheering ] [ cheering ]
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>> t plus 30 seconds if you can hear me over the cheering, "falcon heavy" heading to space on our test flight, building on the history of "saturn 5 apollo," returning to interplanetary mission. we're getting ready to throttle down. [ cheering ] >> supersocvehicle supersonic. >> you heard the callout. vehicle is supersonic. side boosters are now throttling back up to full power. >> reached maximum dynamic pressure. >> we're past max q, the period of maximum loads on the vehicle. next up we'll be waiting for the
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side boosters to begin to throttle down prior to boosting engine cutoff and separation, 2:30 into flight. trajectory looks good on the "falcon heavy." >> side boosters' landing legs are deployed. >> watch that landing. there we go, tom, we showed the landing, we showed them the takeoff. i could watch that over and over and over and over again. and you know what, it happened so easily that we're tempted to say that that stuff's easy. it's not. that is really, really hard. and today we just watched history. >> i think you're absolutely right, and i was just going to ask steve that same question, because we had, of course, elon musk, to me, downplaying the chances. he said, ah, i think it's 50/50, we could blow it up on the pad. was he downplaying this because he really was confident, and he
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wanted to lower ux pe eer our es so we'd be awed or were the stakes that high and this was really a gamble? >> to launch a rocket like that with that much riding on it without being confident you were going to be successful. >> we have car horns still going on from the rocket, itself, and the sonic booms heard on the backside. steve, for those people who may have missed the first tune-in, watching the replay, how would you qualify, quantify, rather,thy kind of engineering accomplishment today. >> i think it's fantastic. it's huge, it opens the door to many things we can and will do in space. humans have been going to space for 60 years or so. this is a milestone, plateau, which we can jump to further accomplishment. congratulations, spacex. >> absolutely. hey, ali, you know, interestingly, we talked about the fact it's not carrying human cargo. >> right. >> it does have precious cargo, it's elon musk's personal car.
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>> yep. >> interestingly, the cone, i'm going to speak in layman's terms here, the cone of the rocket has opened up, correct me if i'm wrong, steve, opened up like this if you can see my hands, so that his car is now sticking out. it's now the nose headed for the sun. >> and from time to time we're actually seeing images of that. >> inside the tesla. >> you're seeing the car with the dummy in the front seat. >> what you can't hear -- only elon musk would do this, right? what you can't hear is a looped recording of david buoy's "space odyssey," "ground control to major tom." so, you know, there's so much rich kind of the stuff that he loves. >> you know what, flying in space has got to be fun because it's just so hard and so much work and takes so much preparation. there's got to be some fun involved. and then i respect that. >> guys, thank you, tom -- >> heck of a day here, guys. back to you. >> amazing. thank you for your work. thanks, steve for me. congratulations to elon musk and
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folks at spacex. sometimes there's so much crap out there that it makes you loose hope. i'm going to close off my day thinking about that, the rocket launch. so with that, i hand it over to my friend, nicolle wallace. hi, everyone, it's 4:00 in new york. we come in the air following that dramatic rocket launch. if you have a son who wants to be an astronaut like i do, that's the biggest story of the day. other stories we're watching, brand-new reporting about the president's lawyers and their advice to donald trump not to meet with bob mueller's investigators. breaking news this hour about that looming government shutdown. in the kind of off-the-cuff kmoe comments that may lie at the heart of trump's lawyers' unease donald trump appeared to root for a shutdown as his chief of staff suggested some people in the country illegally are lazy. here's the president this afternoon at a roundtable event meant to address the threat of gangs. >> if we don't change the


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