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next hour with brian williams, the latest from the white house tonight on the resignation of rob porter after being accused of spousal abuse by two former wives. "the 11th hour with brian williams" starts now. >> tonight is a very real threat posed to the u.s. election system. new details now on how russia penetrated voter rolls in this country in the last election, while rex tillerson warns we're no better prepared in 2018. plus president trump touts bombshell text messages from the fbi, but at the white house, a decision looming over that democratic memo. and another close aide to trump resigns, this time afteral gagss by his two ex-wives of physical abuse becomes public. "the 11th hour" on a wednesday night begins now. and good evening once again from our nbc news headquarters here in new york. day 384 of this trump
administration has handed us a very busy wednesday night indeed. we begin with the troubling news about russian hacking into the 2016 u.s. elections, which, of course, is part of the foundation of the entire russia investigation. our colleagues here at nbc news report exclusively that the department of homeland security has found that russia actually penetrated voter registration rolls in several states ahead of the 2016 election. here is the department's head of cyber security. >> i can't talk about classified information publicly. for the visibility that we did have, we saw targeting of 26 states and an exceptionally small number of that 21 were actually successfully penetrated. >> this report comes as secretary of state rex tillerson warns the u.s. may not be able to prevent future russian interference in such things. yesterday he warned that if russia attempts to meddle in the
2018 midterm elections, there is very little the u.s. will be able to do to stop it. >> i think it's important we just continue to say to russia, look, if you think we don't see what you're doing, we do see it and you need to stop. if you don't, you're going to just continue to invite consequence for yourself. >> is the u.s. better prepared this time around than 2016? >> i don't know that i would say we're better prepared because the russians will adapt as well. the point is its very intention to interfere, they're going to find ways to do that. we can take steps we can take, but this is something that once they decide they're going to do it, it's very difficult to preempt it. >> we have counterterrorism experts standing by tonight with a look at what this means for our country, how we can possibly protect our democracy and future elections. as we head into these 2018 mid terms, but first let's talk about the politics of all of this with our lead-offer panel midway through the week. in washington peter baker white
house correspondent for the new york times. here with us in new york, julia ainsley, nbc news national security and justice reporter. and jennifer rogers, former assistant u.s. attorney for the southern district here in new york, now executive director of columbia law center for the advancement of public integrity. julia, we talk about russian interference. it is a phrase that we toss around on this broadcast every night. this would be actual russian interference. so, bring us up to speed on the work of our colleagues. >> right. so, we knew before this, brian, based on testimony from jeh johnson and other people from the department of homeland security that it was obvious that russia had attempted to interfere and did interfere -- >> they were knocking on the door -- >> knocking on the door is a perfect analogy. we knew they knocked on the door of several states, in this case 21 states. what is distinctive about the reporting is they were able to open some doors. they were able to penetrate several. we believe that somewhere less than ten, but still a handful of
states. and people have spoken to in this space, people who work in dhs cyber security say the key thing we want to look for is whether or not they were able to extricate that information. we don't believe that russia changed your vote. we don't believe that russia removed people from the voter rolls. but if they were able to extricate that information in the same way someone would be able to get your credit card information, that represents a major breach by a swing government in our election and it makes us veryen nervous goin into the mid terms. >> peter baker, it is a pleasure to have you in the broadcast. you have talked about a foundational fear in this president, and that is the whiff of illegitimacy behind his victory. >> it's exactly right. that's why you hear people like rex tillerson, you hear people in the department of homeland security, you hear cia director talk about this russia interference and they talk about this with seriousness. and you don't hear the president talk about it when he discusses
it, it's only in the context of the investigation which he does consider to be obviously a threat to his presidency and a threat to his legitimacy. if russia interfered, if russia swayed some votes, the theory goes that means that his election wasn't legitimate. that's the way he sees it and therefore rather than look at the consequence to the country beyond his own particular case, he's fixated on what it means for his potential leadership, his ability to lead the country. so, you have this dichotomy within the administration between the person at the top and the people below him who see a threat and are worried about it. >> jennifer rogers, if you were still with the feds and if you were assigned to this case, let's go ahead and assume you are dedicated and a patriot. what does it do to you? what could it mean to you to hear what julia just reported, that doors were opened and secondly, your secretary of state say just not sure there is much we can do? >> well, you know, interestingly the secretary of state, of course, is a diplomat. so, his solution for all of this
basically going and telling russia knock it off is not very satisfying to anybody. but honestly that's what the secretary of state does. i mean, the people i'm interested in are the people at the department of homeland security, the people who actually are going to help the states secure their elections in a better way. so, the fact that tillerson isn't really saying things that are that helpful maybe is less disturbing than we think. i mean, dhs is taking this seriously is what i want to hear and i also want to hear from the stateside, i want to hear they are going to accept that help. states run elections, even the federal elections and you could see a state, maybe who isn't so concerned about russian interference based on what happened last time around saying, you know what, we got it, we don't need your help. that would be very troubling. >> julia, we say this every election night. elections are state matters. there is no overarching jurisdiction that can be hardened in washington. it's as good as your computers in texarkana or dallas or columbia. >> that's right. and that was something that the obama administration brought up
right before the election. dhs did come out and say there were some states that were concerned about, that they had some vulnerabilities in their voter registration databases. but now -- and one of the reasons they came up with then they couldn't do everything, not every state was accepting their help. but at this point going into 2018 mid terms knowing what we know now, knowing the ability of russia or any other foreign government to open some of these doors, i can imagine that states would refuse this help. but maybe i'm wrong. we'll have to wait and see how that plays out. >> because every day is a year in our current politics, let's back all the way up to this morning. the president wakes up and tweets something in all caps about text messages seen by a whole lot of people as a giant continuing distraction. do you have a good way in two or three sentences to explain to our confused viewers what this was all about? >> i can't. 384 pages of text messages between fbi agent strzok and
lisa page, these are people who have worked on the clinton e-mail investigation centered around johnson, released 384 pages. this is all of the text messages now. we've had them kind of coming out in pieces. this is everything now. there were some things that came up from this that are important especially in the way the obama administration wanted to know step-by-step about the hillary clinton e-mail investigation. but what's key here is we're still getting this from a parliament s partisan entity. what we need, brian, is the d.o.j. to complete their investigation into the way hillary clinton e-mail investigation was handled by the fbi, let that independent body come to its conclusion and stop learning about things through the texts of the president or through one partisan politician and their view of what these texts mean. it's not illegal for an fbi agent tomorrow an opinion.
what would be unnerving, this is more than two or three sentences, what would be unnerving is somehow their opinions swayed the outcome. at this point there is no evidence that it did. >> so, peter baker, from the text messages, senator johnson republican of wisconsin is 0-2 in trying to establish and looking for real conspiracies here apparently. the text messages, the republican and democratic memos, are they all in the categories of distractions? >> well, i think she's right. we have to keep in mind the source obviously when we get one side of this. we don't know what the other side of this, the fbi, the justice department. they haven't weighed in publicly so we haven't heard the explanation for these things we'd like to hear. one text message, one of these agents said to the another, potus wants to know everything we're doing, potus meaning president of the united states. that perhaps means he was following closely the hillary clinton investigation in a way he said publicly he was not.
if that was the case the president of the united states was was getting involved in some way in the fbi investigation into the democratic candidate for his successor, that would be of great interest and great concern. the trick is, as dell wilbur and the washington post pointed out, that text came in 2015 when the hillary clinton investigation had basically been put aside. jim comey had already said i'm not doing anything with this and he had not yet reopened it. what was happening in september of 2015 was the investigation of what russia was doing in this country. obviously if the president wants to know what russia, a hostile foreign power is doing with regard to the united states and its elections, that doesn't seem so surprising. >> now, counselor, put your former fed hat back on because here's the question that has to do with this democratic memo summary that's at the white house now. and the white house by tomorrow, perhaps, may choose to release this. it is said to be loaded up with phrases you guys love, like sources and methods, facts, people, circumstances, places that will have to be redacted to
be fair and to be safe. is that going to be -- is that going to seem more dramatic if there's black bars through this document? >> well, it may. there are kind of two categories of redactions that may come out here. one is the needed redactions that apparently the democrats have already asked the fbi and d.o.j. separately to weigh in on to make sure source ands methods are not compromised. it's a big deal to allow out a summary of classified information. you really do have to make sure you are not compromising any of your actual sources by identifying them. you also don't want foreign powers know how we gather information. that is another obvious this can that would have to be redacted. the other redaction issue what people are calling political redactions, redactions of the good arguments that basically nullify the nunes memo. so, there is a concern that the white house may redact things that don't need to be redacted for security reasons just to make the democratic memo less effective in rebutting the republican memo and so that's
kind of the push/pull that people are thinking is going on right now at the white house and we'll have to wait and see how that shakes out. >> peter, they are hawking me to get to a break. before we do, one question on our way out the door. the resignation of mr. porter at the white house. do you expect he'll be gone by this time tomorrow? and do you think there is real concern that this has materially damaged john kelly standing as chief of staff? >> well, we don't know when he's going to leave. they wouldn't say. he simply handed in his resignation without a departure date. what it does do is raise a lot of questions. the staff of the secretary of the president of the united states sees all the paper, supposed to see all the paper that goes do him. if somebody did that without a security clearance or only an interim security clearance because of this case involving his, not one, but two different ex-wives, that raises real concern. how did that happen? more than a year he's been serving in this position and they won't answer questions about his clearance. they won't answer questions about what accommodations they made. did the president overrule the security agencies that might not have decided to give him a
clearance? we don't know the answer to that. it does raise questions about john kelly who kept him on, trusted him, made him a key ally of his within the white house. and i don't think we've gotten all the answers. my guess is congress will want to weigh in a little bit to explore some of these issues. >> we do have plans to talk much more about it and you're right, peter, the job of staff secretary is much more de facto deputy chief of staff than anything else. much obliged to our lead off guests tonight. terrific conversation to start a busy night. peter baker, julia ainsley, jennifer rodgers, many thanks. more of what we discussed with peter baker and another stop aide resigns amid allegations ever physical abuse from his two ex-wives, and the west wing now facing questions tonight of who knew what and when. and up next, the man who wrote the book on russian hacking of american elections is here with a warning about a story we mentioned earlier, russia's ability to reach into our midterm elections next time
among other topics, already in this hour we've been talking about the threat to our elections at the hands of the russians. tonight a new nbc news poll is out showing a majority of americans 57% now think it's likely russia will interfere with our upcoming midterm elections. with us this evening, an old friend of our broadcast, malcolm nance, author of the plot to hack america, how putin's cyber
spies and wikileaks tried to take over the u.s. election. with homeland security, 35 years of working in counter terrorism and intelligence. so, for good reason is an msnbc terrorism analyst. malcolm, i've been thinking about you a lot as these stories have been breaking. how does it make you feel to hear the secretary of state, how does it make you feel to hear your department of homeland security and their findings now about the doors that have been opened in our individual states, and the big question to you is what has russia already done to us? >> well, i find myself confused because the secretary of state himself is saying now that russia intends to meddle in the election, which we've known since the 2016 election, that they have the capability. and given that no one is doing anything, they will try again. so, what does that make me feel with regards to department of
homeland security in the states? when you have it starting at the top, at the presidential level that there is nothing happening, that it is all a hoax, and there's nothing to look out for, at least the majority of the states that voted for the president who have secretarys of state will probably take that on board and think whatever they did in 2016 was adequate. with regards to the russians, that would just be perfect because then they could go forward and carry out any number of machineations they want to determine whether this election is going to be chaos or whether they are going to subtly caress the results and make it turnout the way they want. >> i'll ask this question as politely as i know how. if our president and if our government cared about the integrity of our upcoming midterm elections, what should be done? >> well, the first thing they should do is recall that they
have an obligation under the constitution to defend this nation, and that includes the electoral process from all enemies, both foreign and domestic. and what they should do is what they should have done after the previous election, when they transitioned over, was to form a national body, possibly under department of homeland security which would have created a public/private partnership to strengthen with all tools in the government system the electoral process. now, you can't hack everything in the united states. our election systems are very different from state to state, even county to county in some areas. the place that is most vulnerable is at the state level where the ballots are counted, where, you know, the tabulating machines used to actually be a whiteboard or a chalkboard where they would write those down at the precincts reported. if the russians wanted to this year considering it might be a
wave election one party over another, they could validate that by hacking the party that is not in power. that's the democrats right now which would throw the entire process into chaos because you wouldn't be able to determine whether it was a legitimate win or whether now the nefarious russians are some other third-party has assisted them. and you would have the grounds for practically civil war. >> i just want to repeat for our audience the title of malcolm's book, the plot to hack america, how putin's cyber spies and wikileaks tried to steal the 2016 election. malcolm, when did you write it? and i know you're one of the smartest guys i know, but are you that smart? were you the only guy who knew about this stuff? >> well, i wasn't the only guy who knew about it. but, you know, i'm not a journalist. i'm an intelligence officer. so, in my world i see patterns completely differently. and i started the book on july 25th, 19 -- i'm sorry, 2016 and i completed it on september 3rd.
and what we do in the intelligence community is we see patterns, patterns in the information that you don't see in between those data, data points. we know what must be there. and in this particular circumstance, the hacking of the democratic national convention, the democratic committee releasing information to wikileaks, this fake gucifer 2.0, it was clear to see this is a national level intelligence operation. all i did was wrote down what should be there, that it turned out to be identical to the cia report is just a testament to the fact that intelligence professionals all think the same. >> i'll say this as a taxpayer. if our government currently isn't talking to our guest here tonight, they ought to might think about that. malcolm nance, as always, a pleasure to have you. thank you very much. >> my pleasure, brian. >> coming up for us after another break, trump, mueller, the long-term consequence of the russian investigation. "the 11th hour" back after this.
the real problem here is the president. the president going after named career people, the president saying things about the integrity of those two institutions, the justice department, the fbi, no other president has ever said those kinds of things, conducted himself in that way. and he's doing long-term harm to the reliability and integrity of
the justice department and to the fbi. long after he's gone, we will see the impact of these attacks. >> in the last administration, that was the chief law enforcement officer in our country, former attorney general eric holder. he was on with rachel maddow tonight. he is expressing his concerns about the future of the fbi as you heard and the justice department amid growing concerns that republicans are trying to discredit and diminish this russia investigation and the people running it. we are so happy to welcome here in our studio tonight frank, former assistant director for counter intelligence who in the past has worked for robert mueller. he's also an msnbc national security analyst. frank, we thought we would take advantage of this rare in-studio visit by asking you the things that, in your view, aren't getting talked about as much, but the things that as a veteran and law inforcement keep you up at night.
>> i'm worried on the long term here for the fbi to be effective, the fbi's ability to recruit high-level sources, the perception, the public perception of fbi agents hearing stories of fbi agents calling home to mom and dad and mom and dad saying, is it true? is the fbi corrupt? >> that breaks your heart. >> we're going to see over the long term recruitment going down if things aren't corrected here. we have a president asking for loyalty tests of an fbi director. he asked an acting director who he voted for. he goes around the cabinet room and asks for people to say good things about him. this is a problem. we've got to have an independent fbi, an independent objective intelligence community. when you erode that, you're not serving the public well. >> isn't it also true that when mueller comes out with his investigation, throughout it's going to talk about fbi agents who met with sources and conducted this investigation, that's going to be parts of his raw material. >> that's right. so what we're seeing now
recently is a renewed call for another special counsel to look at christopher steele and how he was handled and we see people attacking a source, an fbi vetted source because it's a scorched earth policy. senator lindsey graham was reported by washington post today to have said, you can't be a political operative and an fbi source at the same time. why not? why not, if policy is followed, if the source's information is vetted, if his veracity and credibility are trusted? are we to turn the other way when a drug dealer comes in with information, or a terrorist comes in with information because maybe he shouldn't be biased or prejudiced against whoever he is reporting on? this is a profound statement for senator graham today. >> let me ask a question on behalf of the men and women who are police officers across this country. they are working a 4:00 to 12:00 or for that matter 12:00 to 8:00. have you ever called the police and said at the end of the call, and make it a republican, or make it a democrat. everyone is allowed their
political beliefs, but we put special responsibility in the hands of people who stand up in our society and volunteer to carry guns and go after bad people. this to me, this injection that there must be a political motive in law enforcement, is a truly cancerous thing. >> taken to its illogical extreme, we'll be in a situation where supervisors and squad will be asking for a show of hands who is republican, who is democrat, who is independent. the train wreck, the fbi team responded to that train wreck. i bet you none of those republican congress members asked the responding fbi agents who they voted for. >> final question, do you think they'll ever run down, do you think we'll ever know exactly who hacked the dnc? >> oh, i think there is a good case being made right now. i think that mueller and the fbi know that it was russian government sponsored hackers,
and there is a case to be made and what's coming soon will be charges against those very individuals. we've done it before with china, and chinese government hackers. we can do it again with russia and it would send the right message. now, who has to approve charges against russian government hackers? secretary of state tillerson and the department of justice. will they do it? let's watch. >> we'll accept that as a little bit of news on our broadcast. a pleasure to have you. >> thank you, brian. >> thank you so much for being on our broadcast tonight and every night. coming up for us, another staffer out at the white house. this departure leaves the west wing with some extraordinarily difficult questions to answer. we'll explain it all when we come right back. building a website in under an hour is easy with gocentral...
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administration. one of the people physically closest to the president on a daily basis, white house staff secretary rob porter resigned today after his two ex-wives came forward to the daily mail website with disturbing allegations of verbal and physical abuse. a word about his job. while the title of staff secretary sounds diminutive or perhaps unimportant, it may be the most misleading title in this or any white house. the staff secretary, as we said, can be kind of a de facto deputy chief of staff. they serve as a funnel of information to and from the president. they are the liaison between the oval office and all branches of the government really. the daily mail posted this picture of rob porter's first ex-wife. told the paper he punched her after they were married in '03. he responded in a statement that reads in part, these outrages
allegation are simply false. i took the photos given to the media nearly 1w5 years ago and the reality thinned them is nowhere close to what is described. i have been transparent and truthful about these vile claims. i will not engage with a coordinated smear campaign. porter's second ex-wife told the daily mail porter dragged her wet and naked out of the shower to yell at her. it is a story she has repeated on video to the washington post, in a video tonight they have posted. >> during one of these fights we were both yelling at each other. i disengaged to remove myself from the fight to go take a shower. and rob wasn't finished fighting i suppose. at that point he was still angry and so he came and grabbed me by the shoulders here and pulled me out of the shower in a rage. immediately on seeing the terror
in my face, retracted and apologized and changed composure immediately. but that was, that was the first time he had laid hands on me. that is the first time anger had gone i don't understand the words and the insults. >> willoughby has also confirmed her account, that account with us at nbc news. further, nbc news has obtained a 2010 protective order in which willoughby told police that porter ignored multiple requests to leave her home during their separation. that at one point he punched through a payne ne of glass andd she was afraid he was going to break in. an official told nbc news white house chief of staff john kelly was aware of the allegations of abuse before the story broke. and as if this wasn't enough, porter is reportedly dating white house communications director hope hicks who plays a role, of course, in all public statements from the white house,
including those [ experiencing technical difficulties ] white house correspondent for mcclatchy newspapers. anita kumar also a white house correspondent for mcclatchy newspapers. we welcome back john ralston, veteran political reporter and editor of the nevada independent. welcome to you all. anita, i'll start with you. last night in my office, i held in my hand printed out a one-page collection of quotes and praise about rob porter from various figures in the government. tonight we see the story, rob porter is out, may not be on the job by this time tomorrow night. i've heard it proffered that the only thing that changed was a disgusting picture of a black eye on a woman that surfaced today. could that, could that be all? >> that's what we're hearing, too. i mean, they just had thought that they could sort of weather
the storm and then the photos came out that you referenced earlier. and so you saw sort of a delayed reaction today. he did offer [ inaudible ] -- he did talk about it a little bit. it wasn't until 9:30 tonight that john kelly put out another statement finally sort of acknowledging that domestic violence shouldn't have a place in society, and that he was shocked by the allegations. i mean, until then they were sort of standing by him still. and actually still at 9:30 he was standing by him. but they finally acknowledged what they needed to, which is whether they're true or not, the perception of him being there was just a bad one for them. >> franco, how bad does this feel in and around the west wing? and i guess it's another way of asking, do they get the gravity of how bad this looks despite this young man having gone to harvard and been a road scholar? >> i think that's what we're starting to find out. really it was a slow walk to
realize the gravity of this situation. as anita pointed out, even know, even after kelly's comments about not accepting domestic violence, he still somewhat stood by what he had said before about defending rob porter. so, this is a challenge that they are still facing in trying to get their hands around him. i think we'll see in the next, in the next 24, 48 hours what they come out with next. are they going to continue to kind of force the issue and kind of fight against it? because this, this is not a good look for them. >> i heard some reporting tonight on cnn that the president was shocked and angered by this, had no prior knowledge. we owe it to chief of staff kelly to read his revised statement that we've been talking about that's out tonight. i was shocked by the new allegations released today against rob porter. there is no place for domestic violence in our society. i stand by my previous comments of the rob porter that i have
come to know since becoming chief of staff, it goes on, and believe every individual deserves the right to defend their reputation. i accepted his resignation earlier today, and will ensure a swift and orderly transition. so, john, how full coverage will this get perhaps in the desert southwest and generally beyond the beltway? will this be the kind of story, the concussion of which is felt in a wider area? >> brian, you make it sound like we live on another planet. we're not that far away. we're just like the rest of america. i have to tell you, though, listen, as you pointed out, no one knows who this guy is. most people watching this program have never heard, they don't know how important this job is. i've heard the word shocked use several times already during this segment. haven't we lost our capacity to be shocked? you asked about this concussions of this story. my fear would be that this is
just -- will be dismissed by the blind trump ladites and here we have this 24-hour soap opera that's running at the white house with another episode. this doesn't look awful, brian. it is awful. this isn't about a perception. the preponderance of evidence has been reported that i have seen shows that kelly knew about this a long time ago. so now his new shock shocked statement doesn't hold much water for people. the president is shocked and angered as if he had never heard anything about this before. and porter is so close that he's dating hope hicks. i mean, brian, like i'm saying, we have the same capacity to be shocked as anybody out here in the desert southwest. but with this white house, why would anybody be shocked any more? >> i was just complaining about the length of flight between new york and where you are. and speaking of where you are, john, i've got to ask because the wynn name is huge in las
vegas. it's in neon kind of lording over that city. everyone knows steve wynn in a kind of shocking and quick harassment scandal of his own. he is out as head of his own empire. is that name going to come down? >> you know, there's already this picture that's been photo shopped of the wynn name off of that and the name elaine on there instead. that's his ex-wife. he's embroiled in this terrible lawsuit. there were a lot of people who said it was inevitable, brian, he was going to have to step down from the company or be forced out. it's still incredibly shocking. you talk about story concussion. steve wynn has been in the gambling business here for 50 years, 5-0. he is the most iconic name in the history of gambling in this country. he's gone now. it seems very unlikely that they can keep that name on the company. there's talk of breaking up the company, of it being purchased
by somebody else. these investigations, by the way, brian, are still going on in massachusetts and in nevada. other people in that company could be implicated in those investigations. but people are really reeling from this story because even if there have been -- people say there have been rumors, this has been written about. it had been in lawsuits. the magnitude of that "wall street journal" story with 150 sources and the $7.5 million secret settlement with a manicurist, it is stunning people and people in the gambling industry, in the gaming industry as we call it out here, brian, are worried about the broad brush being painted and this is just the beginning of stories being done about an industry where a culture of sexism has been imbued for >> derek: aids. >> -- for decades. >> sorry to get off topic. his role in the rnc has ceased.
i particularly want to thank my friend the democratic leader. >> first let me thank the republican leader for his comments and his work these past several months. we have worked well together for the good of the american people. we have serious disagreements, but instead of just going to our own separate corners, we came together with an agreement that is very good for the american people. >> suddenly everybody is my dear friend. such a different tone today in the united states senate. mitch mcconnell, that's positively a bouillon for mitch mcconnell. you would think they had actually passed a bill of love on this eve of the next possible government shutdown, such a different tone among those two leaders compared to the last shutdown. they are happy because they agreed to a bill for domestic and military funding to the tune of $300 billion, that's billion with a b, of our tax dollars. but that's the senate. and that leaves the house in the
other chamber where various caucuses are upset about various things. the dems don't like it that it doesn't include daca, then this happened. nancy pelosi, democratic leader spoke for over eight hours on the 23450need to protect the dreamers. we are told this is the longest continuous speech in the house going back for a century. >> for the last eight hours i have had the privilege of reading the testimony of so many dreamers. i still have more. i thank all of you and our basic request is honor the house of representatives. give us a chance to have a vote on the floor. >> our nbc news capitol hill team is reporting this evening it's going to be a close vote in the house. back with us, our guests franco ordonez, anita ralston. franco, first to you. what's the chance of a daca deal and where does this leave the dreamers we've now heard so much about? >> i think it's still a very,
very long road until a daca deal. it's still -- there is still so much difference, particularly in the house on the deal. even pelosi, all the democrats are really like praising this speech. they're talking very highly of it. giving her a lot of credit for it. but many of those liberal democrats who really want daca protections are also saying that may only be what it is, is a great speech unless pelosi really orders her rank and file to kind of step up and force immigration to be part of the budget deal. and it doesn't look like she's going to do that. so, there's still a lot of questions here. >> anita, how is any of this going to go over at the white house? what version do you think ever emerges and goes down the street to the white house? >> oh, they're cheering this two-year budget deal. this is exactly what they want. it didn't have the immigration deal that the president keeps saying he wanted. it was only a day ago that he threatened to shut down if they
didn't do the immigration deal. but, no, they are cheering it today. you know, it does sound close, but it sounds like it probably will pass, and they will declare victory. i mean, in any other time, if immigration wasn't on the horizon here, people would be cheering this. it's a two-year deal. we're not going to have a continuing resolution every three weeks for the next two years. it deals with the debt ceiling. it has money for disaster relief. opioids. i mean, this is a good deal that people normally would be very happy about, but it comes with daca hanging out there and so there are so many people that are unhappy about it. >> so, john, you know the natural question becomes how will this fly in the state of nevada. on the front lines of immigration and as no one needs to remind you, las vegas is in so many ways the kind of beating heart, the headquarters of the american service economy, the people who make everything behind you there go.
>> brian, i think that the convention authorities are going to adopt you as their spokesman. it couldn't have been said better than you just did about what las vegas really is. and i have to tell you, one of our congressmen, mark amady was on msnbc earlier today and he is very frustrated. he's kind of a moderate guy and he wants an immigration deal. and he said what he really fears is having to come back again, come home -- he's a republican -- come home and as he put it, defends nothing. there's nothing out there, there's not going to be a deal immediately on daca. and there is still the sincynic brian. the democrats are happy about it because there's a lot of big races in nevada this time. we have a big senate race, big governor's race. two open congressional seats, brian. they want to use thisi issue asa bludgeon. >> our thanks to franco, to
anita, and john in las vegas, nevada. thank you all for making our conversation even better on a wednesday night. coming up, a friend of our broadcast, veteran, medal of honor recipient, tells us what he thinks about the idea of a grand military parade down washington's streets and boulevards. if yor crohn's symptoms are holding you back,
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the last thing before we go tonight has to do with our president's request that the pentagon put together some plans for a military parade. there were all kinds of reactions last night and today to the washington post story on this subject. some said it would put us in the same category as folks like russia and north korean leaders where they love a military parade. others raise practical concerns, like what a 70-ton abrams tank does to a city street. not to mention the cost, the rehearsals, and taking the military away from its core mission of being the military. well, today we put the question to our military analyst, u.s. army retired colonel jack jacobs. like the man in the commercial says, he knows a thing or two because he's seen a thing or two. jack, who was a guest on our 4:00 p.m. broadcast today is a dedicated -- decorated combat
ve veteran of the vietnam war, one of only 70 recipients of the medal of honor. he is among our greatest veterans and he is decidedly not a fan of military parades. >> it's labor intensive. it's personnel intensive. it's capital intensive. troops hate doing it. in order to do a good parade you have to practice it for months in advance and you have to do it over and over again. being in a parade stinks. it's an awful -- not to say nothing of the fact that it's an awful waste of time and of money. we're short of people. when we spend our time training, it has to be doing something other than marching. at the end of that -- i've done plenty of marches, i can tell you. at the end of this the only thing you can do really well is march. >> jack jacobs, medal of honor recipient, put him down as a no vote on the parade. that is our broadcast for tonight. thank you so very much for being here with us. and good night from nbc news headquarters here in new york.
♪ ♪ good evening from new york. i'm ali velshi. there is a lot to get to tonight including a nbc news exclusive report on the russian government's intrusion into american voter registration rolls before the 2016 election. what could be a new strategy for the president as robert mueller's investigation gets closer to him and later my conversation with senator elizabeth warren. we'll begin with a major shake-up for the trump administration. the man who resigned from the white house today held the title of white house staff secretary. make no mistake, there may have been no one with more daily access to the president of the united states than