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barrage. lashing out to everyone. from barack obama to his adviser. missed warning signs, many red flags about the parkland murder suspect, none of them preventing the school massacre. and the movement now started by parkland surviving students for tighter gun control laws. and john kelly's crack down on white house temporary security clearances and what it means for people who handle sensitive material like the president's own son-in-law, jared kushner. first, a busy night and morni morning for tweeting by the president. a dozen impassioned social media rants. comments and response to russians with a multimillion dollar operation of trying to interfere in the 2016 elections. their intent to boost support for then candidate trump in an effort to hurt the clinton
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campaign. we have team coverage but let's start with white house correspondent jeff bennett. jeff is in florida for us. jeff, let's begin with what the white house is saying about the russia indictments on friday. not a lot of comments coming out of the white house. a lot from the president on twitter, though. >> yes. and i would first mention, speaking to you from the parkland am think theater, the site are fot memorial for the 17 people murdered at the high school shooting. i'm keeping my voice done a bit out of def rans to the people here paying respects. the white house says as the president does, that there was no collusion between his campaign and russia. what we are seeing is white house officials echo comments we've seen in the president's tweet trying to extract details from special counsel indictment and comments from rod rosenstein and spinning whatever they can to give the suggestion that president is somehow in the clear. although we know that the special counsel probe continues a pace the collusion part of it carries on and so there could be
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another indictment to come. what we have not heard yet is any sort of clear plane of response from the president about how he intends to retaliate against russia or thwart russian attempts to interfere in the 2018 mid terms as that is the overwhelming consensus of his own intelligence chiefs. >> as everyone is saying, warning of the possibility that it will happen again. let me ask you quickly about the president who has en accusing the fbi of missing some key pieces of information and leads on the parkland shooter because they are quote spending a much time trying to prove russian collusion with the trump campaign. as the white house followed up on this statement or clarified what the president actually meant in those tweets? >> no, they haven't. as they often say, the president's tweets speak for themselves. he writes this, very sad that fbi missed all of the many signals sent out by the florida school shooter.
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this is not acceptable. they are spending too much time trying to prove russian collusion with the trum campaign. there is no collusion. get back to the basics and make us all proud. there is no reason to believe that fbi's failures has anything to do with the russia collusion. they admit dropping the ball. this is a case of president amplifying partisan talking points. we understand he spent the day at mar-a-lago and did not golf today. he is watching cable tv and this is a tweet he sent earlier today. >> before i let you go, let me ask you about meeting scheduled it take place today with house speaker paul ryan and the president. he is down there in president. do we have any information about the meeting, what they discussed, what came ut of it. >> we are still waiting for details. i can tell you going into that meeting we can expect them to talk about the legislative
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agenda for the top of the year. republicans privately say they don't expect that to go in anywhere this year particularly because it an an election year and they are talking about ways to sell the gop tax cut plan. that cut is not anywhere near as popular as the other is. in part because they haven't sold it. and if the two of have a talks about eing gun violence this past week that is a good opportunity to have the conversation. i can tell you when the president returns to washington, he is going to have two meetings focused on ways to stop school violence. he will meet with high school teachers and students then meet with state and local officials. >> nbc's live forness florida. thank you for that, jeff. also with the center of attention and in the indictments as well as president's tweets overnight, let's cross over now to moscow russia and bring in richard engel, chief foreign correspondent, who has more for us from there. richard? >> when you look into these sp
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names, individuals named in special prosecutor's indictment, they tell a fascinating story. a spy story. most important name on that list is someone who in this country is nicknamed putin's chef. he is called the chef, not because he actually crooks for the kremlin. he runes a major catering company in this country. rags to riches story. he started out, according to his own telling of his personal history, selling hot dogs in st. petersburg after the collapse of the soviet union. then went on to open an elite restaurant or restaurant for elites and now has a huge catering company that survives primarily on state contracts providing catering services to schools, military, kremlin, also to state bank including for visiting u.s. presidents. according to this u.s.
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indictment, it is not just catering services. he also does special tasks for the kremlin. including the disinformation campaign that the indictment says was influential and that the information campaign was designed to disparage hillary clinton. to discredit her campaign and help then candidate donald trump and the reason experts here say that the kremlin would want to use oligarch would be to give them plausible deniability to carry out special tasks without impli kagt t imp implicating the kremlin directly. >> thank you. by want to bring you breaking news that just emerged in the last hour. breaking news out of the los angeles times. rick gates, former top aide to donald trump's presidential campaign will accept a plea deal, pleading guilty to fraud
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charges. and has said he is willing to testify against his former boss, paul manafort. just to emphasize, that is again being reported by the "l.a. times" this afternoon. let's bring in the panel. first off, paul butler. former federal prosecutor even professor at georgetown school of law. former fbi double agent and author of the book "how to catch a russian spy." natasha bertran covering national security and intelligence. curt bridle, from "the huffington post." curt, let me stt with you. the "l.a. times" is reporting that rick gates intendtolead guilty. also according to the "l.a. times" to cooperate with the prosecution and testify against paul manafort. when you're at special counsel build tag case, what's your reaction to the news? >> all about paul manafort and about what he knows. apparently he is not cooperative with special counsel.
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he is exercising his constitutional right to go to trial at the end of the day. 95% of people charged with crimes end up pleading guilty. manafort looks like he needs a lot of pressure but mueller seems to think he's got the goods or someone higher up in the chain. this is a campaign manager and present at a lot of meetings and contact with russians p mueller wants to know what manafort knows and gates, his business partner, is key it manafort. >> let me ask you quickly, surprise that rick gates initially pleaded not guilty and then a couple since entering the plea, not guilty has changed and said he would plead guilty? >> it happens all the time. when you're charged, the defense attorney recommends to plead not guilty and see what kind of deal you can get. he isn't getting of a deal outside of 18 months in prison. that suggests that mueller has a lot of evidence against gates as well.
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so he has a strong bargaining chip. we only have to think, if this is what gates knows wlab does manafort know? >> natasha, let me ask you. two men working together closely on a whole host of issues, allegations is that they were representing ukraine with political interests here in the united states. their financial interests. what is the significance of this? intending to plead guilty now. >> the white house said that this will not have any impact on trump or his inner circle in the white house. but there are are a lot of reasons why that is not true. of course because manafort and gates were the ones essentially running the trump campaign during the summer of 2016. of course that's when a lot of conseqntial things happened with regard to russia. yohad the trump tower meeting that of course manafort attended. you have the change in the rnc's platform with regard to ukraine that would of course be fair game for muler to ask gates about, for mueller to ask
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manafort about. the fact gates is cooperating with special counsel and plans to spell special counsel everything he knows about manafort, including things that went on during the campaign, should make the white house pretty nervous. >> let me ask you in terms of what may have changed to get gates too change his plea from not guilty a few months guy to now one of possibly guilty in order to cooperate with special prosecutors against manafort. >> i think that in this case, it sounds like from the "l.a. times" reporting this was a question of economics. to mount a defense against this is simply a costly endeavor. there is a chance at the end you may be found guilty. i think what calculus here is that he is looking at significant jail time. even as the other panel mentioned, down to 18 months. i think there is incentive for him too cooperate and save his money and perhaps reduce the risk. if i could put one final point, the thing that intrigues me
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about this, is this a question when it comes to manafort, is this a question of crimes that don't have to do with core investigation or a nexus. if he is in fact guilty of money-laundering, does that play into the russia collusion investigation? that something we don't know here. again, that's $64,000uest qn. >> i jus want it recap for everyone this is according to the "l.a. times." important to emphasize that the "l.a. times" itself is reporting that gates's defense lawyer thomas c. green did not respond to a message left by phone or e-mail and robert mueller declined to comment. this was least on saturday. if i can, curt, your reaction to this developing news? >> you know, for an investigation that donald trump swears up and down, left and right, on twitter constantly that there is nothing there. no campaign complicit. no inappropriate action, there is sure a lot of people pleading guilty right now to robert
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mueller. a lot of people committed wrongdoing. that leads me to believe there is something there and ma mueller, the key might be manafort to get to trump and flipped gates to get to manafort. at the end of the day, all of the people, campaign manager, deputy campaign manager, national security adviser and united states, michael flynn, p papadopoulos, and if trump didn't know about it, that begs the question of what kind of management does he have? this is someone who made in a case that decisions are made at the top. people should be held responsible. constantly attacking barack obama if something went wrong and obama didn't know about it. same standard applies to trump. if all these things were going on and all of this wrongdoing was being committed and trump didn't know about it, he is criminally negligent. if he did know, he is just criminal. >> the president in all of these individuals who have plead guilty or brought forward in front of the special prosecutor facing indictments have either been dismissed as insignificant players or that they were just
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part of the campaign on the short period of time, not people who knew inner workings, didn't have a lot of influence in the case of george papadopoulos. national security adviser paul manafort, chairman of the trump campaign for a brief period. significant players, now in the cross hairs of special prosecutor, what does that say? >> that makes me think of this indictment that came out on friday against the 13 russian operatives. purely symbolic. we don't have an extradition treaty with russ so those folks will never see the inside of a federal courtroom. it is a speaking indictment. so mueller was telling a story about how the russians tried to hack the election, how they tried to throw it to donald trump. the question is, what did trump know. what did other campaign officials know? the indictment does not allege that there was any collusion at this point, but there was a press conference that rosenstein said on friday.
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saying there is no evidence of collusion in this indictment. meaning, that i think we can expect something further down the line. >> and natasha, again, when we go back to the relationship between gates and manafort, that will become of tremendous interest. not that special prosecutor had already focused on it, but from the outside looking in, when you see someone like gates potentially pleading guilty, how much pressure does that put on manafort? how much pressure does that put on him to cooperate or potentially, you know, move up the food chain and turn somebody higher above him to the special prosecutor? >> a lot of pressure. gates and manafort worked together for well over a decade. they worked together extremely closely. he was essentially kblan fort's deputy in all things, business and everything, during the campaign. so this is definitely going to make paul manafort think twice about whether or not he wants to cooperate with robert mueller. of course now we see he is exercising his right to go to
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trial and he has not decided to move forwardith ale deal but this is the way that these thgs work, right? you flip gates and ultimately you get to manafort and you see what manafort has on a bigger fish like the president. >> and it is important to emphasize that there were issues that paul kblan fort and gates purportedly supported that ultimately made their way to then candidate president trump, you know, on policy, particularly with the issue of ukraine. and if you explain us to if you can, the significance of that. what is it that paul manafort and rick gates in terms of their lobbying practices on behalf of pro russian ukraine elements how that factored in to the big picture that people are saying that the president even as candidate was pursuing policies favorable to russia and not necessarily the long-standing traditions and practice he of the u.s.? >> great question. let me first start by answering this. in my experience with russia, there are two types of people
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that russia seeks to recruit. one are what is known as intelligence as pepts they can provide information to them. second is people in a position of trust and confidence. this is a universal statement. but the yiidea for the second i will look for people to affect policies or positions beneficial to russia. the fact to act as an agent of yaush in the position that can shape things like policy. to go back to your question, a lot of debate and innuendo and clearly fact pattern that goes to the fact that in the heist campaign, the gop turns the platform to the concept of what russia should suffer sanctions or policy towards the aggressive actions towards russia and the ukraine. and you know, when you have someone like paul manafort who worked in that sphere has ties to russia in terms of a just decades of business, it goes back to my point of this idea that there is the opportunity here for the russians to
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potentially targeted and the fact that recruited someone who is in a position of trust and confidence. again, that is the core question here. we saw the 13 russians indicted in russia who won't set foot in an american courtroom but are there americans involved? my experience tells me there have to have been. >> curt, when you look at it from the white house perspective and when we were just talking with paul, at the time that rick gates and paul manafort were indicted, the white house's argument at the time was these are charges that happened before paul manafort and rick gates were ever involved in the campaign. no significance whatsoever to the trump campaign and to the trump presidency. now that he is pleading guilty, is the white house going to be nervous about this, that paul manafort, the person indicted out of the four we mentioned, flynn, papadopoulos, gates, the only one not pleading guilty,
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and the others are intending to plead guilty. >> while the white house may not say much about this and will continue to dismiss it and smear mueller,eaty is it has to be incredibly concerning for them to know a person in the higher leadership position to know a lot of things is pleading guilty and there is more pressure on manafort to flip on trump. you count on one hand the number of people now left standing who have close proximity with the president and haven't today plead to something yet. that number is dwindling by the day. manafort is said to have spent 20 hours and answering every question asked of him. the deeper we get into the investigation, the more is is clear that donald trump doesn't have allies willing to go to jail for him. so all of the people facing mueller right now are flipping on him. at the end of the day, none of this is worth their freedom. >> it'll be interestinging to
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see how this comes. and to emphasize, the "l.a. times" is reporting this within the last couple of hours that former trump aide rick gaits te pleading guilty and willing to testify against manafort. paul butler, i will ask you to stick around a bill longer with us. because we are following breaking news and "l.a. times" reporting that former trump campaign aide rec gates will receive a special deal we will have a lot more significance on all of this. stay with us.
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welcome back, everyone, more on the news story following for you in the last hour, los angeles times reporting that rick gates, forther top aide to the trump presidential campaign will accept a plea deal from special counsel robert mueller. according to the times, gates will plead guilty to fraud-related charges and made clear he will testify against former trump campaign manager, paul manafort. gates was indicted with manafort back in october. let's bring back jeffenet us from parkland,lorida. jeff, i know it is very early since this news broke but what's the reaction if there has been from the white house, what could we possibly expect from the white house given reactions in the past to the indictments against paul manafort and rick gates? >> well, we can expect them to make the point they have made all along. there was no collusions with the trump campaign and russia. but rick gates and paul manafort charged back in october with 12 counts including money launder, tax fraud, conspiracy against
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the u.s. and failure to register as foreign agents. what is so notable about this, reporting from the "l.a. times," that rick gates is finalizing a plea deal, is that it suggests that rick gates is about to flip. and that special counsel would have three people cooperating with him to include the former ns adviser, michael flynn, and george papadopoulos. this is one of the reasons why people have made the point that for the president to wave the flag of indication, as it relates to the indictments that were the mueller indictments unsealed friday, premature to do that because this investigation continues apace. this is the latest indication of that. >> jeff, we will let you try to track down information, possible reaction from the white house. we will check back in with you throughout the course of the hour. let's bring in reporter for oxy.com. nick, for you, also joining us, "time" magazine contributor and from memory well, jay newton swell. evan, let me begin with you. in terms of how significant
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after development this is. what is your reaction to it. >> i don't think it is a good development so to speak that gates are open for robert mueller. he will get not only manafort out ofhis but talk to rick gates about the campaign that trump organized as well as transition and little bit of the white house because gates did have contact with the white house while they were or after donald trump took office. he is going to be grilling him. if i were a lawyer for the president, i would not be happy whatsoever. and if i were the president, i wouldn't be happy. that explains his tweet storm this morning or it could very well explain his tweet storm this morning because he is getting briefed by rod rosenstein on some of the things that happened in the investigation. he found out about the indictment of the 13 russians before the rest of the world did. i think he is now becoming more spooked and more agitated as this circle closes smaller and smaller and rick gates because he was a central figure in the trump campaign is in a position to know any wrongdoing occurred.
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>> between the indictment that came out on friday with 13 russians indicted and news from the "l.a. times," not a good weekend for the white house. an good weekend for the argument that white house has been making. >> it isn't. the real thing with mueller here is he was able to actually put a lot of meat on the bones to these rumors we have been hearing for so long. the key is that this isn't over. just last week, investigators were testifying to congress that in 2018 russia was trying to dot same thing. you have to ask, what are russian's goals? one is to cause chaos. two, to destroy the faith in public institutions and if you are looking forward, maybe if russia is investigating and playing a role here in 2018 they are trying to like democrats. trying to work to like democrats, what could be more chaotic than sending democrats to the white house and actually having them try to impeach the president? >> very interesting point. jay, if i can, let me bring you
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into this. and you know, for people who may not know, rick gates's significance to the trump campaign early on, this person was very close to paul manafort and significant witness the rump inner workings during the campaign, right? >> absolutely, amman. this someone who is in a position to about almost everything that goes onn the campaign. and a history with manafort for more than a decade and with donald trump. he has a lot of ammunition which he can then turn around the and force manafort into a very awkward position. does manafort flip against the president or does he stand the lane and wage an incredibly expensive and very high stakes trial. in which he is by no means assured o win. so gates, his potential to flip here is enormous news because it has so much potential to go up the food chain to manafort and others and force other kinds of
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pleas here and that builds a huge case potentially against the president himself. >> i will pick up on that point that jay has with what if paul manafort flips. drawing to the line to connect us to the charges of fraud, which is what rick gates would potentially plead guilty to, to overarching objection of special counsel which is russia meddling in 2016 elections. for some of us on the joutd soue may not see what the connection is. walk us through someone with fraud charges and his contribution to the russians meddling in our elections. >> special counsel mueller knows his charge is to investigate whether or not there is collusions between the russians and united states. to subvert democracy, steal the election and obstruct justice. it is not about whether they were real estate transactions or fraud regarding the ukraine. you start from the bottom, work
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your way up to the top. the bottom here is quite high if we look at the people who have been charged. people like michael flynn, paul kbl manafort, the president's former campaign manager. gates, again, he stayed on the campaign even after paul manafort got fired. he knows something about the operation. he can answer questions like when there were all these trump campaign operatives running around meeti with russians. when russians were engaged in this effort to hack the election, could people high up in the trump campaign not have known about that? again, gates is important because he's got the goods. while manafort, at the end of the day, i don't think that's most important. the charges against manafort are easy to prove. basically paper crimes that mueller has the evidence on. so i think he is especially interested, mueller is, on what gates knows about trump. >> so so this is more about what gates knows about trump than getting malmanafort to flip.
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>> yeah. i can't imagine that at end of the day he dwez to trial. he is looking at huge exposure p. it is obvious that mueller has it no for him and mueller will put him under the jail unless at the end of the day manafort cooperates. >> evan, manafort flipping, how much of a setback is this for the argument the trump campaign has been making that there's been no collusion? >> it would be horrible. but we've seen time and time again the president whatever he says is undermineed. we sought president put ought the tweet saying that friday night that mueller indictment on friday was proof there was no collusion. no, it wasn't. it is just 13 russians indicted. i'm republican. i i attack democrats all the time. this is not an attack on our nation by foreign power using
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sophisticated tools against us to divide the nation. we have a president of the united states at odds with his own intelligence chiefs. some of them he appointed. some are career military men. his own national security adviser, at odds with them. over whether or not this happened. he said in june of 2016 when the dnc hack was first reported that it was probably done by the democrats themselves just to create a story line. russia didn't do it. he has been defending them since june 2016 right around the time of the trump tower meeting. >> yay, let me pick up on the point evan is making. mcmaster is in germany speaking at the munich conference. effectively saying that the information is overwhelming. everyone accepting if his perspective that russians meddled in the 2016 elections and immediately afterwards you see the president tweet out directly at hr mcmaster pretty much saying you forgot to mention that this had no impact
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on the results of the election. hard to look that tweet within the last 24 hours and say this is not a white house in some ch singular issue. >> it is hard to see both sources, both testimony democrats and republicanets and even white house officials in munich at this national security conference say pay no atetentio to the man behind the curtain tweeting out certain things. we are here to be serious, here to have serious substances discussions and not just -- we are just going to pretend this stuff happening on twitter is not really happening and like as if there is two completely different governments going on right now. where there is the government of the united states and the negotiating with european partners and munich about security issues and long sort of standing. nato alliance answers other government, in florida, donald trump, tweeting out all these things in contradiction to his own staff. and to those folks in munich
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right now. and it really shows how divided the government is and how divided the white house is and separate the white house is. not just from capital hill but from republicans on the hill. their own party. >> nick, let me ask you. is the president increasingly out on an island by himself when have you national security adviser on foreign soil saying evidence is overwhelming, and yet the president is tweeting at him the exact opposite. indictment on friday, again president seeming to say this isn't anything to do with the trump campaign? >> hard to imagine he isn't on an island especially when have you hr mcmaster who has been more anti-russia, more worried about that than trump has since the very beginning. this is opening up. you are seeing this rift open up between two of the biggest trump allies within the white house. these groups. john kelly around the indictment
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saying would he won't release any more intelligence information as people who don't have security clearances. that's a direct shot at jared kushner. when you see that action, who wins between the family and generals? well, trump has been very consistent and loyal to his family and you know, you got to wonder if these are are the last days for kelly. if maybe mcmaster gets wrapped up in some of the stuff too. >> i like to point this out. hr mcmaster known for writing the book on military generals speaking truth to power particularly presidents. sobe on the reiving end. >> under any other white house administration a report like this comes out and you are speaking out saying we will stop this. >> thank you very much. paul, thank you for joining us. i will ask evan and jay to stick around for more. the president and nra, putting the blame on democrats. what will it take to get gun control piece of legislation on
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welcome back, everyone. white house says on wednesday, president trump will hold a listening session with students. the announcement comes after survivors of the florida school
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shooting directed anger at president's response to the attack. joining our panel is chris marvin, retired officer gun control advocate and from marvin school strategies. jay, we don't know the details of this listening session as the white house put it. but from the face of it, does it seem to you the president is trying to change the narrative given the backlash he has received from students so far? >> absolutely. i think that there is, the entire weekend has been spent with these incredibly eloquent students going on television and just outrage. expressing such anger and frustration at the president's handling of this. at the laws and the united states. and wanting to force change. they were particularly outraged. you saw a ton of action on social media, students speaking out, especially after the president tweeting that somehow the fbi dropping the ball on this particular student,
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nicholas cruz, executed this massacre, was somehow related to russia. somehow the fbi was distracted from russia. there were outraged families saying this is not political, not about russia, not about the president. this is about a very disturbed young man who went and killed a lot of kids allegedly. so certainly could not be a wider gulf between the victims of this crime and the president right now and he certainly is taking a beating this weekend for that. >> evan, did democrats and republican lawmakers as you can imaginouon suny morning talk shows, let me play you what senator james longfd had to say and i will get your reaction to it on the back end. >> problem is not owning an ar-15 it is the person who owns it. it is not the how of what particular weapon is chosen, it is the why. i have individuals in my neighborhood that owns an ar-15. it doesn't make it a dangerous neighborhood, it is the individual himself, not the weapon they are holding. >> so the piece of legislation to work on the background check
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system we have in place which clearly failed on multiple occasions with many individuals. not just this. we can go through a long list of individuals. in this case make the argument, it is not the guns, it's the people. do you think that will hold up after what we just saw in florida. >> sni think it partially does. senator longford hits on that it is the people. we should expand background checks. but also further. i'm a second amendment believer. but also i support reasonable restrictions in access to guns. i was getting death threats over 2016 from the alt-right contemplated getting a gun. i live here in new york city. i didn't mind the wait. i never ended up getting one but it was appropriate. i think we should start talking about adding a proficiency aspect. if you get a gun, you should be proficient enough to use one and own one responsibly. at the same time, we have to acknowledge the president's tweet last night. saying that if it weren't for the russia investigation, these
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kids might still be alive. how dare he. he has no decency. it is like saying that the fire across the stree happened because the pole didn't do their job. no. it i absolutely sick. and it shows no morals. i want to know what the victims say to donald trump's response. and want to know if at this listening tour they will have people there at parkland and i don't think they will. >> chris, let me bring you into the conversation. the law enforcement, social services, fbi failed to do anything when it came to the issue of nicholas cruz, maybe 39 warning signs were at one point flagged for the florida shooter. and if you look at the time line, so many red flags dating back to 2010, law enforcement called to the alleged shooter's house as i mentioned 39 times over eight years. social media posts of him cutting his arms and saying he wants to buy a gun despite that the state's social services actually deemed the shooter as low risk. fbi dropping the ball at least
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twice after being alittered. the president was somewhat critical in a tweet saying the community needs to do more to flag these types of individuals. it is hard to say the community did not flag him over the course of the past eight years. everywhere you look there were warning signs and red flags. what do you make of the agencies that failed in all of this? >> yeah. i think that law enforcement and community agencies, family members, people close to -- folks like mr. cruz were going to commit this type of heinous act, they have the responsibility. but the government and our lawmakers can also help them to be who effective. so along with the criminal background checks which is mandatory for my gun purchase we can work on red flag laws. five stas ve red flags in place. this allows family members to bring concerns to a level where someone can do something about them. in this case, a fact of having the red flags but not able to
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take any action to keep guns out of the hands of people who would do that type of harm. >> and in florida they have the baker act which allows social service can put someone in a facility if they felt a person was in threat to themselves or others. thank you very much. i know we are short on time on this discussion. next, how gun laws compare to the rest of the world and what we can learn from other countries. stay with us. and you don't have time for a cracked windshield. that's why at safelite, we'll show you exactly when we'll be there. with a replacement you can trust. all done sir. >> grandpa: looks great! >> tech: thanks for choosing safelite. >> grandpa: thank you! >> child: bye! >> tech: bye! saving you time... so you can keep saving the world. >> kids: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace ♪ (daniel jacob) for every hour that you're idling in your car,
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welcome back, everyone. now to we said, they said. when we look at how the international media deals with stories making headlines here in the u.s. mass shooting in florida, 17 lives cut short in the act of unspeakable violence leaving a nationout raged and overwhelmed by grief. america's tragedy this week in the global spotlight. >> at least 17 people, including children, and adults, have been killed after a gun attack at a high school in florida. >> the president is in politically and morally extrarous waters here. a fierce defenders of gun rights and of the second amendment. and sure enough, this morning, he is explaining this massacre not in terms of access to weapons but rather in terms of mental illness.
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>> the elements of this tragedy are all too familiar. angry young man with a troubled family and school history. takes his legally-owned weapon to school and shoots dead anyone he can find. >> this terrible attack as we were saying before is the 18th school shooting in the u.s. this year. and bearing in mind, it is february 15th p. >> following every gun massacre in the u.s., there is a call to action to do something to stop innocent people from being slaughtered. radio canada believes the trump administration is ignoring the main issue. krt bc's national today newsletter says florida shooting puts more pleasuren the gun bby. >> countless editorials the past few days pointing the finger often at the national rifle association. >> bbc's take on the nra, lobbying group against all forms of gun control in the u.s. and argue that more dwuns guns make
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the country safer p. another op-ed, washington can't allow going to school to become a game of russian roulette. france info remind us that the gun epidemic goes back to clinton, to bush and decades fr bill checkpoint to george bush. sadly that change never comes. an editorial cartoonist says america's deadly love away fair with guns has been a source of many strong cartoon commentaries over the years. this is from may, 2002 the cover of the "economist" after arizona congress woman gabby giffords was shot in the head. this cartoon appeared in 2012. 99al finally the nra's madness, that it doesn't get lost the uk is raising money for the new series, break the cycle, which
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aims the way media covers gun violence, that's we said, they said, for this week. let's bring in our panel, a white house correspondent for the "daily beast." kurt joins us once again for this discussion. allen, i'd like to play a sound byte from chris murphy, for from connecticut, get your thoughts on it on the other side of it. take a listen. >> this happens nowhere else other than the united states of marc. this epidemic of mass slaughter this scourge of school shooting after school shooting. it only happens here, not because of quincoincidee t because of bad luck. but as a consequence of our inaction. we are responsible. >> now, let me ask you, do you agree with the frequency these shootings happen only in the united states and it's a result of failed gun control when you
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compare it to other under developed countries? >> no, not exactly the figure of school shootings is a fake income. even washington post, did an article about the number. >> fair enough. that was brought up in an overseas broadcast. because time is limited. i'd like you to answer that question. i believe the 18 number has been widely discredited. please answer that question, about as a developed country, do we have more gun violence than others? most of the statistics suggest that. >> unfortunately, we do. there are other countries that have gun violence as well. one of the things that statistics in that is we include suicide in with our gun homicides, most other countries do not. so it skews the number for how it comes out, it appears and that's a problem, too, other countries aren't as good as reporting their data as the united states is as well. so sometimes you are comparing apples with oranges, that's not fair to america's gun owner, either. >> according to a recent study
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published be i the american school of medicine, americans are ten times more likely to be killed by people in other studies, it include, same quote, our firearms killing us rather than protecting us? what's your take on that? >> i don't think it's a surprise given the large number of firearms that are privately owned in the occupation, compared to most other countries that you would see more gun-related crime in the united states. but i don't think pointing that out necessarily suggests a political solution. i think there are tradeoffs that have to be made, both legally and constitutionally in terms of the second amendment and you know the more sort of fundamental idea behind it of you know how much freedom are we willing to grant american citizens to protect themselves and their families i think is a legitimate concern for gun owners to bring up in a situation like this. i think, you know, simply noting the scale of the problem, you know, i think both sides can do that and still disagree on the
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solutions that should be 'ut in place to address it. i think there has been bump stocks and things along those lines, but, you know, obviously, the differences were made for the most part irreconcilable. i don't think the data in itself is up for debate. >> kurt, you wrote in a column for nbc, i'd like to read from it. you write if donald trump and congress can blame democrats for the acts of undocumented immigrants, then the american pooemd people should be able to blame trump and republicans for murders exited with guns. is it fair to blame the parties for the actions of mental little ill individuals? the point i want to emphasize here is you have 39 instance over eight years, where social services and others did their job in flagging this issue. but this man, nicolas cruz, i should say, 19-year-old, slipped through the cracks, was able to buy a gun and carry out this massacre. >> yeah. but in a lot of other case, there aren't these warning signs we can point to.
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look at las vegas, there was no warning that he was going to have a mass slaughter of people going to a concert in vegas. at the end of the day, donald trump had no reason to call for an update to immigration policy in america. he had no problem using the spectre of that to call for wholesale change on how we do immigration. why is there a different standard when it comes to the gun situation? when someone gets killed, why aren't we looking at the laws? inaustralia, in 1976, they changed the law, they haven't had one since. this is the only way, do you think it's americans are hoom sidal by nature oooo e-- hosida nature -- homicidal by nature? >> i think it's a disconnect between the background checks and what happens, this mass murderer in florida went through
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a background check. most have gone through background checks. the problem is, again a lot of the people check database of who should be, there aren't there, a lot of people in this database get denied the right to purchase a firearm, cross my desk every day. people complain how they are denied the right to buy the gun. they never commit a crime. their names are confused with everybody else. when we fix the background checks. >> despite all this, the system is not working. people are dying, including, men, women and children. thank you very much for joining us. join me back here next sunday at 5:00 p.m. to break down the major stories of the week. be sure to join my good friend casey hunt at 7:00 a.m. eastern, for casey d.c. first off, it's "meet the press." . starting their day building on over a hundred years of heritage, craftsmanship and innovation. today we're bringing you america's number one shave
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