they do translate into real world. >> you have to come back every day. any day. all welcome. my thanks to jeremy vas, john hineman and i'm nicolle wallace, "mtp daily" starts now with breaking news. hi, chuck. >> well you had yours at 4:00 and different ones each hour. that is how fast everything is moving. good grief. love the condi conversation. now about fixing college sports -- never mind. >> i did get to it. >> i know. tell her i'll do the second half of it. any way, if it is thursday, it's march madness trump style. ♪ ♪ good evening. i'm chuck todd here in washington. welcome to "mtp daily." we begin the show tonight with some more breaking news. this is the special counsel robert mueller investigation involving russian meddling. nbc news learned that mueller is
seeking criminal charges against the russian individuals who carried out the hacking and leaking of the private information as part of the putin campaign to meddle in the 2016 elections and purportedly to help trump's candidacy according to those familiar with the matter. p does that case include any americans? does it include wikileaks or putin. u.s. intelligence said he directed at takz -- attacks. but this does show the mueller investigation is moving quickly. remember it was just two weeks ago that mueller indicted the russians that were behind the revealing and sprawling and sophisticated campaign to disrupt the election via social media as a way to support trump. campaign chief paul manafort was hit with more charges. rick gates also flipped at that time. and don't forget yesterday we learned that mueller team is asking questions about whether the president himself was aware of the democratic e-mails being
stolen before anybody else knew and whether he was involved or at least knew of the timing in order to have a strategic release of all of these. so joining me now is intelligence reporter ken delanian, part of the team that broke the news. so ken, again separate out for us -- we have the internet research agency and that did not include wikileaks, the podesta and dnc hacks, what this is about is just that. podesta and the dnc hacks. >> that is exactly right. we're told that special counsel robert mueller is moving toward an indictment or multiple indictments that would serve the same purpose as that document filed last month. essentially as you recall, that document left out the hacks of the dnc, the leaking operation. which played a significant role in the election. it was a big part of the russian meddling. so the new charges would tell the story of how that happened. and name the russians who were involved, allegedly. and they would rely -- we are
told -- heavily on the secret intelligence and dhs, potential charges include conspiracy, violations of election law and violations of the computer fraud and abuse anti-hacking statute. you pointed out the big unanswered questions. one is will this indictment or potential indictment name vladimir putin. we've reported the u.s. has intelligence suggesting that putin ordered and supervised the operation. but that is sensitive intelligence and unclear whether the government would put that in a court document. another question is will they charge russian intelligent officials who freelanced the hackers who carried out this operation. another huge question is the role of wikileaks. the bulk of the e-mails came through wikileaks and the cia director mike pompeo has accused wikileaks as a hostile arm of the russian governments but wikileaks claim they acted as
journalist. that could pose a problem for prosecution. so unknown whether they are named in the process. and it is clear that the investigation is picking up steam and this is another big shoe to drop inni laying out ho this happened. >> is it possible he goes with individuals because the entity may be a journalistic organization but the individuals in it, is that more likely where he would go? so seouly -- so julian assange the individual. >> as journalists we are not -- drafting in knowingly subordinating -- or stealing or hacking to do our journalism. we're not -- we're not allowed to do that. so yes, in theory, individuals could be charged in that manner. >> i guess there is always a chance this is a sealed indictment. where because of the sensitivity to the intelligence, but boy a
secret indictment by mueller, it seems like in this environment that i'm guessing that is something he would like to avoid. >> well, the argument for doing a sealed indictment, some of my sources tell me, if you want to catch the russians unaware, traveling to a third country and actually snatch them up and bri -- bring them back for trial. and in the last indictment, mueller wanted to tell the american people the story of how the russians carried out this election meddling. because we're not getting that from the rest of the government and it is based on secret intelligence. this would be part two of the story of how the russians did it and it would send a message to the russians we know a lot about how this worked and we know how to potentially stop it from happening again. >> ken delanian, trying to untangle what is a very tangled web. thank you, sir. and right to tonight's panel. saw he'll capper and karen tum and columnist at the washington post. and republican strategist brad
todd. welcome all. so let me start with you, sahill. we got the idea this is how mueller would deal with wikileaks which is in the same way he dealt with the social media aspect. indict the specific individuals and note that it is a conspiracy and then part two will be who participated in the conspiracy so this makes a lot of sense that part one of the podesta aspect would be to go after the speddiv speddive -- specific individuals. >> and it is accurate, not only did russia intervene but with a spes -- specific purpose to help president trump, then candidate trump bdefeat hillary clinton. and the nbc reporting suggested that mueller -- excuse me a moment. could you go on? >> it is fine.
so to go back to the larger thing, obviously it is a -- he wants to do this building by building block. if you throw too much into one indictment, it is easy for people to get confused. >> what bewe're talking about ia cyber attack. the first go around a lot of republicans were saying, what is the big deal? it is just some mischievous facebook posts. here they are saying, this is an actual breach of security. and so i think this is going to be -- this is going to take this to a level where there is a lot of pressure on the white house to answer what exactly are you doing to prevent this from happening. this isn't about declaring witch hunts, it is about security. >> and mueller is -- mueller is -- i think he's doing this in a way that will make it easy for the russia hawks to get behind him on this. >> i think the american people want to know what happened or what might happen later and what
has the russians done outside of the election to sew discord in the election. and most of the republican party would tell you that believe that about the russians and they are trying to do that here in the united states. dan coats went to the secretary of state and warned we have evidence they will try to do this in the midterms and he's in the administration -- >> but here is the issue. here is mike rogers earlier this week. do we have it? >> have you been directed to do so given the strategic threat that faces the united states and the significant consequences you recognize already? >> no, i have not. >> but essentially we have not taken on the russians yet. we're watching them intrude in our elections and spread misinformation and become more sophisticated, try to achieve strategic objections that you recognize and just essentially sitting back and waiting. >> i don't know if i would
characterize it as sitting back and waiting but again i apologize i i don't want to get into the classified here. it is probably fair to say we have not opted to engage in some of the same behaviors that we are seeing. >> that is another way of saying we've decided not to retaliate. and this is where i feel like the politics of this puts the president, if he had ordered a retaliation already, mueller's news would not hit with the same type of impact. >> right. what mueller said was that there had been no clear presidential director from up above for the agencies and the federal government to use the resources at their disposal to go after this. and that is an important thing. to complete my thought. i had something in my troet. this is not just a bunch of trolls or bots posting things online to influence a conversation that anybody could do by posting things online.
this shows that they are stealing information from specific people in order to expose them. it is a new level of criminality and the important thing is it is all about the political pressure. mueller can by revealing this information and allowing it to come output the president in a bit of a corner and make it harder for him to deny this and refuse to do anything because as we know president trump doesn't like to go there. it is a no-fly zone for him because he believes the russia issue casts issue on the legitimacy of his presidency. >> and it puts an end to the alternative theories. what is this outside hacker, was this some inside job from inside the dnc. this flat out points the finger at russia and eliminates all of the other alternative theerali theories as to how this
happened. >> the more they learn, you do see public opinion is increasing that oh, we need to hold the russians accountable here. why does the president not see this punish them as a political decision. >> if you could read his mind on political calculations then you could make a lot of money doing something besides being -- >> i assume your friends on capitol hill are frustrated by this because it certainly paints a nefarious picture. >> i think first off, the republicans on capitol hill are pretty unified in their desire to hold russia accountable for this misdeed and other misdeed, in the ukraine or the baltics. you name it. and the american people, however, are also in a very patient mode. they want r they want robert mueller to take his di his time and do his work and the beltway is obsessed with any leak -- >> as any investigation. >> the public will make its judgment when they have the full picture. >> the nuance in the public opinion polls is americans by enlarge think this is a legitimate investigation and the
russians did meddle but republicans do not think that and many are skeptical when the president said he is fake and it is having an impact which affects republicans in congress and who run congress behave. >> the public wants to know what russia did. i think whether -- the question of whether it is collusion, we haven't seen evidence of collusion yet. the public wants to know what russia 's intent was and what they accomplished and since then and before the election. >> and i can get to a larger issue and we don't have a policy in the united states about how to deal with cyber warfare. it is an issue the obama administration was trying to deal with and which is -- is it a retaliation. do we -- should we be offensive, well a bunch of offensive cyber weapons got into the hands of bad guys thanks to an nsa thief. >> it is being discussed. and even discussed in the nuclear posture review. but the fact is that the first thing we have to do is acknowledge that this is a form
of warfare. that this is the 21st century version of an attack on our sovereignty. and until people can get the conversation to that, and not the legit -- donald trump cannot see this beyond a reflection on donald trump. it is a national security issue. >> but both parties are guilty of not taking the russians seriously. barack obama called the russian re-set and mitt romney said they are a great threat and obama didn't want to go there. >> that is 100% true. but donald trump is the president now. and in terms of how are we going to prevent this from happening again, voters are going to the polls next tuesday in texas and in the first primary of this year. >> and there are at least seeds of doubt with millions of voters, will this election be held on the up and up. >> that is a problem. >> and dan coats said it. they are worried about it. >> that is not a good thing and we're starting the election
session in less than a week. >> the biggest challenge with the cybersecurity is the bad actors seem to be moving much more quickly than the government response. >> that is a lot of issues. so stick around. coming up, the russia probe is leaving president trump isolate and the white house is increasingly chaotic and i feel line i'm on rerun here, we say the same thing over and over again but this times it seems even more real. how will the president handle this isolation? don't we need that cable box to watch tv? nope. don't we need to run? nope. it just explodes in a high pitched 'yeahhh.' yeahhh! try directv now for $10 a month for 3 months. no satellite needed.
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they may both get their wish. what happens when the front-runners have so much money they are beating the living daylights out of each other, other candidates see a positive light. and they try to fill the gap. both rauner and pritzker announced spending cash on ads slamming the primary competitors, people they were ignoring for weeks. rauner is facing a state representative who is a conservative trump alternative to rauner and pritzker is being hit on the left by a state senator. primary day is march 20th and we'll be watching to see if the billionaires are going to pull it out or if all of that money was wasted so they could end up losing to candidates with a lot less cash. we'll be back with more "mtp daily" in 60 seconds. do what i did. ask your doctor about humira. it's proven to help relieve pain and protect joints from further irreversible damage in many adults. humira works by targeting and helping to block a specific source of inflammation that contributes to ra symptoms.
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i'm talking about the people mr. trump expects will protect him. communications director hope hicks admitted lying for trump. she's out. attorney general jeff sessions has soured on him and that relationship is a mess. michael flynn lied about russia and he is out and pled guilty. paul manafort indicted and his top deputy flipped. steve bannon out and some of the campaign activity was potentially treasonous. trump said bannon had lost his mind. keith schiller, the trump long time personal aide and bodyguard, one of the first people kelly got rid of. sean spicer and reince priebus are out and every one i just mentioned has been talking to mueller and some more extensively than others. and then there is jared kushner. his business arrangements are under fire and drawing attention of mr. mueller and he had to talk to mr. mueller.
not by choice. and now nbc news is reporting that the national security adviser h.r. mcmaster is leaving soon and that might be one he is happy about. this white house is compromised by the russia investigation. look at the casualty list but ultimately ask yourself is there anyone left around the president that he trusts. how do we figure that out. joining me now one of the first campaign advisers, sam nunnberg, good to see you. >> thank you for having me on. >> so let's start with -- you are somebody fired a couple of times by donald trump. >> i think three or four. >> three or four. you're not even sure how many. >> correct. >> right now i look at the folks that are currently around this president and i look at the folks that used to be around this president and i'm wondering, he can't be happy. what is it like when he doesn't have people around him that he trusts? >> well first of all, i would say it was a shock to me, chuck, that hope's announcement was
made yesterday that she was leaving. she is somebody who i would have thought and you have dealt with her, that she would be there in perpetuity. and i don't know what is going on. the only thing i -- to say about hope all of the time is that everybody will say well hope has this job because she's beautiful and donald trump likes to have beautiful women around him and she's talented and capable and has the ability for that job. so her announcing she was leaving because of the porter issue, and because of what happened with her testimony, i think that there is a problem there. along with rafael and ultimately it goes back to jared kushner. >> why do you say that -- >> jared is a weak link. and yes, i don't like him. okay. so let me get that out of the way. yes, i'm part of the bannon people. but jared was doing nefarious things. it is -- it is strange to believe that jared was not trying to raise money for his
fledge ling business. and that's -- >> and you are alleging more than that. clint clinton cache didn't have that -- >> i'm saying he was trying to raise money for the buildings that are the worst real estate investment in the history of real estate. and i think was. and i think he was and i think it is coming back -- >> do you have evidence. >> i don't have evidence. this is just -- this is just me knowing what i read. and knowing what i hear. and the other thing by the way, too, is let's be honest here, when matt drudge, who is jared's best friend and his p.r. agent announces in the morning that there is a big announcement and brad pascal is the campaign manager, and then you find out that rafael is leaving and then jared loses his clearance and then the next day that hope -- that is -- that is to give the inference that jared still has the -- till has the brand or
still will control the campaign in 2020. and that is a joke in itself and i could guarantee you, chuck, that brad pascal will not be the campaign manager when the campaign actually goes off. that that is just a scheme by matt drudge and jared. >> and let me ask you this. you have been very close to donald trump, not as you just admitted, you are not a big fan of jared kushner. >> correct. >> what is donald trump's relationship with jared kushner. >> that is a good question. i could tell you one, i've never spoken to jared directly. i've said hello to him a couple of times in trump tower. i think that the president certainly trusts jared and would certainly -- and he looks very highly on his daughter ivanka who is an incredible woman. and he probably -- he probably praises and has a lot of respect for jared vis-a-vis the fact that she married jared. i think that jared brought stability in the beginning to that campaign.
when he got in there, i think he brought order in. and i think they needed some management help. eventually i don't know what went on. there is a lot of questions whether jared got money from pascal or they stole money from the digital buys in 2016 or something that will have to come out. i have no idea by the way. but i would say that jared was somebody who was never mentioned to me by the president and when he got more closer, the thing that i would say, chuck, is that jared got involved in that when it looks like trump would win when he would be successful. bu because when i was there and everybody was laughing at us, that donald trump would run, people were looking at me like i'm a joke, people were looking -- and jared wanted nothing to do with that campaign. >> do you -- i guess the reason i ask that question is the more trouble he gets into with mueller or the more -- where he's getting negative -- as we know, donald trump doesn't like
when he's -- when there are people around him. >> but you know, chuck -- >> for headlines. and paul manafort, he got fired not for his connections because they made it on to the front page of the new york times. >> i don't know and here is a question as an observer. i think jared will get indicted for something. i don't know what it is. my question is did the president want to keep jared around or have him leave the white house and go be charlie, jared's father where he could then turn on the president. and that is going to be one the big deciding factors. u ultimately where the investigation goes. i was in there last week and coy tell you that -- >> with mueller. >> well not with mueller directly. but with the investigation team. they were completely -- they were competent. this is not a waste of time. they weren't just having me in there to check a box because they saw me on tv being interviewed by you about the wolf book. >> they had a -- they knew
exactly what they wanted to ask you about, what they believed you had information about. >> yes. and i can't get into it and i won't hurt their investigation. i'll get in enough trouble for going on tv and talking to you. this is something where they have everything. and we're going to find everything out. and i don't know what else there is. >> so let me pause you there. you had the impression you weren't being asked questions they didn't already know the answer to. >> yeah there was a point. correct. some questions they did know -- yes in the beginning for sure. and then other questions -- what happens is you go in there and for the first 75 minutes or 90 minutes or so, they beat you up and then they hit you hard and they ask -- they want to see if you will tell t-- tell the trut an then the next three hours they'll say what are your insights. but the 85% was they knew the answers. >> and they were establishing how credible of a person you were. >> in the beginning. >> you felt like you were being
tested. >> and i was truthful. >> and speaking of truth. because one of the things that leaked out of hope hicks was she had to admit that she told white lies. donald trump ever ask you to lie and did you ever do it for him? >> sure. yeah. there were times that were spun -- where we gave our ideas -- we gave our -- how would i say it. we gave our view of what the story was. do you consider that a lie? i don't know. this is politics. i'll tell you this is done -- >> no there is spin -- >> this is done for barack obama -- >> i think there is a line. there is spin, and then there is totally -- >> donald trump has not flat out asked me to lie. no. >> you never had anybody tell you to lie. >> he never flat out told me to lie and he never flat out said put a spin on it like this. this is our view of this. this is our version. i was never told to lie. >> did you ever feel like you have lied on his behalf i. >> no.
i'm not. >> sam nunberg. >> thank you for having me on. >> and thanks for sharing both of your insight and what happened inside of that conference room with mueller. >> thank you, chuck. up ahead, combatting the opioid crisis. the president said he's making it a top priority. but what really needs to be done? we're going to talk with our friend in west virginia, the fire chief who is on the front lines of this battle against this addiction.
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welcome back. president trump declared the opioid epidemic a nationwide public health emergency and renewing the declaration in january and today they convened a summit to see what has been accomplished since. the plan to combat the crisis focuses on crack down on drug dealers an the manufacturers. but critics said the declaration hasn't had much of an impact and for funding is needed for the plan to be more effective. frankly congress hasn't done much. the president briefly stopped by and said he is giving jeff sessions a role in helping the states take on the big drug companies. >> the administration will be rolling out policy over the next three weeks and it is very, very strong.
i've also spoken with jeff about bringing a lawsuit against some of opioid companies. i mean what they are doing and the way the distribution -- >> joining me now is -- a friend of the show, we like to say, jan raider, the fire chief in huntington, west virginia, which is the overdose capital of america and the focus of the documentary harreroin. i look forward to seeing you on the red carpet on sunday. let me ask you this. since the declaration how have you been assisted, the declaration of this as a public health emergency, how has this helped you do what you do to fight on the front lines. >> it has not helped -- at all. what has helped us in huntington west virginia is we have become a city of solutions and we have
banned together to come up with innovative programs to help those suffering from substance abuse disorder. >> your mayor was there at the summit today. was his goal to find out what the government is doing or was his goal more of, guys, this is what you are not doing and let me tell you how you can help? >> i think that we -- we have banned together as a city of solution and we're look for partners at the state level and the federal level. and until they start funding programs that we're trying to push. we're behind the eight ball here. we need help and more funding. >> remember one of the times i had you on, what is one thing right now and you said narcan. i never have enough narcan. is that how this should be priority. number one, it is an epidemic
and we have to stop it in its tracks and then move on to addiction and recovery and then education and then talk the bigger picture, prevention and look for alternative. we need to work backwards, stop the -- stop the bleeding first. >> well the narc can keeps people alive because they have to be alive before long-term recovery and then a big focus on getting people into long-term recovery. so technically we have to do a multi-facet add poach. we have to start talking in the schools at a very early age. prevention is key. we need to help those suffering to get into long-term treatment. and we need to work on the laws on how we are able to prescribe. so we don't have another generation of those suffering from addiction that got started from a legal prescription of opiates. >> about a month ago i know we checked in behind the scenes in
you said we almost have a zero day. a zero overdose day. >> we almost did. the huntington -- we had a zero day but unfortunately cabbel countries ems did go on two cases that day. we have declined over the past six months. we have decline in people using narcan in the field and we're excited about that. we started a quick response team and that sends a paramedic, somebody and a police officer out to visit people who have overdosed within 72 hours of the overdose. and right now our numbers are very promising. 38% of those individuals that the team has made contact with
are now in recovery. >> getting rid of the supply is a big deal. i know that there have been some pledges by drug company to pull back on how many they make and recommendations to doctors. have you seen any progress in just -- fewer opioids available. >> not at this time. but i look for it in the coming year. 2018 will be a good year for huntington and the state of west virginia. we're starting to do some things that are really going to turn the tide here. >> is it just -- is it does feel as if -- the fact is that finally a spotlight has been put on this. at least as far as west virginia is concerned. you have gotten the attention of everybody that matters to west virginia. just that in itself, is that just the community to be -- to say what should i do better? is that what you noticed. >> i think that the heroin has
highlighted the hard work and the commitment of strong west virginians and that how -- we're resilient and we will not give up and we are going to do our best and i think that that documentary started many conversations that need to happen. and until then i don't think a lot of people were focused on what is going on on the front lines. and you have to know what is going on the front lines to make a difference. >> and that is how the best way -- i think many people will learn a lot from you when they watch this documentary. good to see you. i look forward to seeing you sunday. >> thank you, sir. i appreciate it. i hope i don't fall. >> i'm sure you won't. thank you very much. so it is oscar weekend, for heroin and jan, we're rooting for the film and both of the two other documentaries that were nominated. three of the five nominations in the shorts, meet the film
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specifically millennials, who are they. do you know some millennial poser who are gen xers. the pugh research center strapped on their shades and declared that henceforth millennials are people born between 1981 and 1996. so what does that mean? the touch stones are this. the 9/11 attack and the wars in afghanistan and iraq and the election of america's first african-american president. baby boomers between 46 and 64. they have the kennedy assassination as a searing memory and the vietnam war. and the civil rights movement. gen xers, born between 65 and 80, have watergate but also have the reagan revolution, the reagan assassination attempt and the challenger explosion as touch stones. as far as i'm concerned, pugh has it all wrong. it is a simple thing. you are a millennial if you were not old enough to vote in the 96
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what do you know? >> it is a staggering thing to see the way that that nunes is criticized. according to the new york times, not only by democrats who have long gone after him and republicans on the senate intel after him, but also by the republicans on can committee. all you need to know is the relationship between burn-warner, and schiff and nunez. schiff and nunez are constantly sniping at each other. nunez is defined by fierce loyalty to his party and his party leaders, he was very loyal to john boehner, attacking his critics on the hard right. he sees the world according to his critics in the democratic and republican party as a binary red versus blue and that would explain at least some of his actions. >> i'm trying to figure out why
nancy pelosi and paul ryan, they're pretty much in a jointly run thing, why don't they get together and say we need a new person or a new set of people? >> it's just the breakdown, it's like the cliche in washington in 2018, the whole culture of norms. the problem in the house and the senate has been that they have to operate in a nonpartisan way, even if the rest of the chamber is kind of running for the margins. and this is such a violation and it makes it so impossible for the committee to do what it's supposed to do that i do think that ryan is going to have to step up and nancy pelosi has a lot of experience on that committee. >> that's what i mean. this, to me, the two of them need to take leadership. paul ryan has not touched it and seems to be afraid of it.
>> as sam rayburn said, it's not the other party, it's the senate. i thi frankly, though, the house is a partisan body, it's a partisan body when the democrats are in charge, it's a republican body when the republicans are in charge. >> to be fair that's the way the senate is structured. >> cpac was this past weekend, devin nunez was the closing speaker, he was given the defender of freedom award by the group that puts that on. that shows his clout with the right. >> not kevin brady, who orchestrated a once in a generation tax cut rewrite that many republicans have been excited about, cpac rewarded nunez. >> there w single biggest
achievement republicans can claim is tax breaks. >> did they have a panel? >> they had a panel, but it was a little bit sleepy but not compared to this russian issue. >> i think until recently, the senate has been different. since iran contra, the intel committee has operated on a pretty bipartisan basis and after 9/11 as well. >> going back to iran contra, there was real tension there because the white house was also not happy about how things were going, and yet it didn't break down. >> exactly. and after 9/11, i think the same was true. >> what happened -- why did kevin brady not be celebrated as a hero but devin nunez? >> i would tell you to watch the ads the tax cuts are going to be celebrated. >> why is devin nunez more celebrated than a kevin brady.
>> the cpac has lauded the tax cut for months. i can't answer for who they chose to give what award. >> it's just that fighting on the russia probe is more rewarding than fighting for policy. i guess that's the point. >> of course they support the tax break, it's one of the things that unites the republican party, but it doesn't drive them, the passion just isn't there for issues like immigration, you saw the president's big announcement today, and now the russia probe and defending the president from perceived partisan attacks. >> i think they believe the tax cuts are an issue they can use for persuasion, less than mobilization. >> let me ask you this, some of your clients in the last 48 hours probably thinking, what is the president doing on guns? and what is he on trade? what is a president who got into politics as an advocate of free trade say today? >> i don't think they
literally on any of these matters. >> on the tariffs, the stock market seemed to be taking him pretty literally today. >> congressional republicans are not yet taking the president literally on guns. i spoke to a number of them, and many of them are in what i think the president meant to say, mode. up ahead, general john kelly on quite the role.
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in case you missed it, today marks 213 days since general john kelly left the department of homeland security and became white house chief of staff. general kelly, your reaction please? >> i miss every one of you, every day. . >> you know, at times there are no words, are there? just an expression will do. general kelly appeared today at an event marking 15 years since dhs began. he led them for six years before leading the white house staff. >> i open by saying i have almost no right to be up here on this stage. i'm no longer in the department and i miss every one of you every day.
the last thing i wanted to do is walk away from one of the great honors of my life, being the secretary of homeland security but i did something wrong and god punished me, i guess. >> it's a joke, people, he's just kidding, right? right? sometimes you really have to see what's being said. we're used to seeing general kelly like this, furrowed brow, staring into the distance, but it's good to see the general showed his emotions a little bit and it probably helped his stress as well. so take a stroll from your eyeball, general kelly. >> just roll with it. >> "the beat" with ari melber starts now. interesting report tonight. several stories breaking now, number one bob mueller preparing a case against the russians who hacked democratic