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>> is the white house built on chaos now being consumed by it? >> the drama is there, but that is how the president makes decisions. >> i guess any other white house, any one of these stories would trigger nonstop coverage. full scale scandal watch. >> are you concerned about the president's state of mind? >> his state of mind is fine. >> when you have family members in the white house, it makes it much more difficult. >> how can you expect a chief of staff to study someone who makes a promise one day and undoes it the next. >> at the bottom of every one of these scandals every week is the mueller investigation and that's what's setting him off. >> i said i was going to run this country like a business. that business is a waffle house at 2:00 a.m. >> that was alex baldwin, alex baldwin, by the way, according to president trump's tweet. if you haven't read it, you should read it. we start with north korea. president trump announcing he is not ruling out direct talks with the rogue regime, saying as far as the risk of dealing with the
madman is concerned, that's his problem, not mine. the president also joked about the white house departure, saying, "i like turnover. i like chaos. who's going to be next to leave? steve miller or melania?" this has been a topsy-turvy week at the white house, to say the least. monday the president hosted the nation's governors and talked gun policy, saying he would respond to a school shooting by running into the school, even if he didn't have a weapon on him. tuesday, jared kushner lost his top security clearance. wednesday, losing hope. trusted aide and confidante hope hicks announcing she's resigning one day after telling the house intel committee she sometimes told white lies for the president, but not on important matters. on the same day the president upended the gun debate, appearing to support comprehensive reform when it comes to gun control legislation, something many republicans oppose. thursday, trump surprised his own advisers and u.s. allies by
announcing tariffs on steel and aluminum imports, and friday we learned the president was, quote, unglued when he made that exact decision. more questions about kushner. nbc news reporting that investigators want to know if trump's foreign policy has been influenced by kushner's overseas business issues. a lot to digest. i want to bring in my awesome panel. zerlina maxwell and the former director of progressive media for the clinton campaign, pete dominick, host on siriusxm. nick ackerman, analyst and special watergate prosecutor and karen de soto. let's talk jared kushner's really awful week. it's interesting to hear chris christie say this is the issue when you hire family. >> yeah. >> in the white house. >> i think that was clear from the beginning. i think that the news that we learned this week about jared
perhaps intertwining some of his business dealings with his official role in the white house, that was something that was predicted when he entered the white house, and so i think the reporting this week, though it is shocking because there's potential legal liability and exposure for him on a number of different fronts and using your official job to acquire personal gain, i think that's not surprising given the fact we knew all of this about jared kushner and he did not divest as would have been appropriate in this role. >> the president's butler has more clearance now than jared kushner, but the idea a lot of people are wondering whether or not jared kushner has done something inappropriate, you know, democratic congressman still hesitant on whether or not to answer that. listen, if you were a mayor or a town assemblyman and you gave your daughter and her husband the most important jobs in your administration, you would be right. the townspeople would be right to be outraged. we've never seen anything like this. that's why every time i'm commenting about this, let's not
forget this is really crazy and abnormal, it's not american, to the point your daughter and husband, who have no experience and no right to even be there. >> this is unprecedented. >> the whole idea that you're using your office to make money and you're using it to line your own pockets, that doesn't just apply to jared kushner. this is donald trump, who's got his own hotel down the street, where he's got people coming in. it applies to his daughter, who's trying to sell her goods like the white house is some kind of cable network -- >> in panama right now, controversy around that, all over the world he's got business interests. >> the whole thing is being treated like a reality show and these are really serious issues. there was questions about kushner's clearance even from the beginning. i think, nick, when the initial paperwork being amended and the procedural issues on his clearance, that's still an issue here, so it's almost like layer on top of layer on top of layer, and you're right, everyone knows at this point you don't mix family and business. >> let's talk about this nbc news report that nick is
bringing up here. mueller's team asking witnesses about kushner's efforts to secure financing for his family's real estate properties, meetings he took inside the white house and then got loans from these companies. >> exactly, which is absolutely outrageous, but let's look at it from where are they getting this information? you've got some pretty high level cooperating witnesses now. you've got manafort's assistant. >> gates. >> gates, who's cooperating, and you've got the former national security adviser who's cooperating. these are all people that worked with kushner, know what kushner was doing, so one way to look at this is, what's happening here is that mueller -- that's where this is coming from. >> so let's go another place here with kushner. what if the president were to have a sort of come to jesus moment, per se, and say you know what, you cannot be effective at
this job. is it time for kushner to step aside? how can he really get anything done at this point, considering the fact he doesn't have security clearance, and the conversation right now is about nepotism in the white house. if the president were to have clear mind, he would make that decision clear. >> that's a funny question. the president having a clear mind. >> or having a coming to jesus moment. >> that's true, too. jared kushner and -- >> he likes turnover. >> jared kushner and ivanka both should leave the white house. they don't have business being in their official positions. jared does not have the experience to get middle east peace or whatever portfolio they've given him, especially not with a lowered security clearance. so i think that there are a number of different issues, legal and otherwise, for the kushners and for ivanka. >> even if it were true he was clear minded, you know what, jared, does he get rid of him anyway because of the way it looks, because he's under the
microscope? do you do that? or are you going to give the media their fodder? >> he's sucking up the headlines and trump doesn't like it. >> you started this by mentioning chris christie at the beginning of the segment. chris christie put jared kushner's father in jail. this week we learned credible reporting, they have a past, but we've done reporting that president trump is asking his chief of staff, which somehow is still in this job, to look for replacement for jared, his daughter and son, and also asked his daughter and son to look for replacement for john kelly. we know the kushners have no right being there, and president trump seems to know, as well, but they are his family. >> okay, but let's talk about the fact now hope hicks leaving, seems as if the president is going to be somewhat isolated. no one is going to be in the white house. why would he ask jared kushner to leave and his daughter to leave when he has someone, a confidante, hope hicks, the history he has with her and relationship he has with her and now she's gone? >> the timing of her departure,
too, couldn't be worse for him, as well. so now who's left there for him really to talk to? and that's another reason, even if you're clear minded, at least jared is somebody he believes he can trust. how do you replace people? >> on the phone the other night with sean hannity and maybe alex jones. he's talking to people on the phone and all over the place. the idea people aren't close to him, that's important because they are in the way of decisions and paper getting to him, but he's still talking to crazy people on a regular basis, getting advice from people with no business giving it to him. >> do you buy he likes the turnover in the white house? >> on top of it all you have hope hicks admitting this week she knows the difference between the truth and the falsehoods, that she knows she was lying. if i were the special counsel here, i'd want to really dig deep into that. >> the white lie thing, though, isn't that really a trap? attorneys do this all the time. are you lying, and it forces them to say you're not lying? it wasn't really a lie, it was a white lie.
that was a strategy used by attorneys. >> she had to take two breaks during the testimony to ask her lawyers whether or not she was lying. >> let's talk about the reporting h.r. mcmaster is going to be leaving. that's pretty huge stuff. there you go, another person sort of dropping. >> one guy that might stand in the way of him hitting a button or giving a terrible order. talking about him being replaced by john bolton, big first strike in north korea. if he hires him, one minute closer to midnight. >> i think john bolton has been in talks. >> terrifying. >> that was one of the names brought up before mcmaster went in. mcmaster leaving actually is concerning, because he's been one of the more responsible adults in the room in terms of national security issues, and along with mattis and kelly, they were sort of the three generals that were going to make sure that trump didn't do anything drastic, but i am very concerned about a number of different things when there's this amount of chaos. i think that the chaos is fun to
talk about, but it's actually a national security risk and every single moment that trump is unstable and when he feels emotionally pinned down or cornered, he's going to lash out, and i hope he's not going to lash out in a way that has foreign poilicy implications. >> the president does not know what he's doing, doesn't understand the substantiative issues. >> he knows what he's doing, managing his own image day to day. >> i'm wondering, nick, because of the chaos we see in the white house, is this why the russia investigation has become so much bigger than it initially began as? >> i think it was big to begin with. i don't think it's made it any bigger. certainly the way they've dealt with it is atrocious, but they dealt with it because they've had to cover it up. they have to cover up what they were doing in the beginning. whether it was the whole business about hacking into the democratic national committee or being involved with all of these e-mails through facebook and twitter. i mean, i think we're going to find there are going to be two major conspiracy indictments here that are going to relate to
the theft of e-mails from the democratic national committee and to the social media on which all these russians have been indicted. >> nick ackerman said it. >> he said it first. before i let you go, i'm not letting you go, you're sticking with me the entire hour, but i want to quickly talk about the gun debate. the president had so many different views on the gun debate. the amazing open session where he said he wanted more gun legislation, saying i'm not afraid of the nra, but then he had a meeting with the nra and said it was a great meeting and the nra saying he doesn't want gun reform. what do you think this is about? >> reeled him back in. like i said earlier, he manages his own image minute to minute, day to day, changes his mind sentence to sentence for sure. you never know. he did this on immigration, health care, and, of course, on guns. we're not going to see change led by him, even though he said he'll definitely get the executive order on bump stock. where is it? is it done? bottom line, this revolution this time is being led by kids, by teenagers, by victims.
i think that's the really important focus to put on. trump train can't stop these people. >> is it starting to be led by corporations, as well? >> for profits becoming nonprofits. >> seems that's where the changes are coming from. >> kids know how to use social media and social media is one of the key factors that's moving the conversation. and president trump essentially is play acting as president. i'm tired of these white house meetings with congress. it's good for congress to have bipartisan meetings, but we used to have congressional hearings where you actually had committee hearings where you discuss policy issues and had a vote in committee and brought it to the full house. i don't think that these bipartisan meetings for basically a reality show, play acting as president, is getting -- >> no surprise there, i think. >> is going to result in any policy being passed and signed into law. i think it's just a -- >> this week we found out, he found out, we all found out, he learned ar-15s were sold in
sporting goods stores. he had no idea. we found out in front of our eyes. >> no matter what side of the aisle you sit on, we can agree the president loves the television cameras. >> they have the television arguments and that's driving policy and one of the reasons with the guns that's so difficult is that there is no agenda. there's all different types of agenda, nobody is on the same page. you have people talking about mental health, bump stocks, ar-15s, and these -- there's no excuses for school shootings, but there are reasons, and so whatever can get the debate out there, that's great. get these kids talking. >> main reason, though, is guns. >> guns. >> the guns. >> i got an entire hour with this panel, so i'm going to move on, everybody. no exceptions. u.s. allies threaten to retaliate over the steel and aluminum tariffs that push back from the president's own party. that's coming up next. wait. you're real? with discover card, you can talk to a real person
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in this case he made the decision to go with 25% tariffs on steel, 10% on aluminum across the board with no country exclusions, and that's the way to do it, i believe. >> all right, peter navarro, the president's director for trade, putting u.s. trade partners on alert. european allies are vowing to hit back with their own tariffs. president trump says bring it on. he tweeted "if the eu wants to further increase their already
massive tariffs and barriers on u.s. companies doing business there, we will simply apply a tax on their cars, which freely pour into the u.s. they make it impossible for our cars and more to sell their big trade imbalance." first, the president may have to do battle with members of his own party who oppose protectionist policies. take a listen to this. >> it's going to turn around and bite the american citizens with much higher taxes, much higher costs, and it's going to discombobulate our whole international trading system. so i'm very upset about it, as you can see, and i think it's very inadvisable. >> great for you. if you consume steel and every american family at the store tonight bought something with different metals in it, today's a bad day for you, and that's just the first day. when the trade war gets worse, means there's going to be retaliatory tariffs against the farmers and ranchers of america
and producers and workers of america. >> all right, joining our panel now, matt welch, editor at large at "reason" magazine. i want to start with a sound bite from wilbur ross this morning on "meet the press" and then we'll talk. >> i think what he's talking about is we have a big trade deficit with the rest of the world. our cumulative deficit equals the cumulative surplus of the rest of the world. they, therefore, have much more at risk in a trade war than we do. that's what i believe he was meaning to say. >> all right, i'm going to start with you on this. give me your reaction to wilbur ross. that's what i believe he was meaning to say. >> this is how we talk about trump now. my reaction is, this is a remarkable transformation that the republican party has gone through. they used to be the party that said trade deficits don't matter, but government deficits do matter. they have no switch. we're going to get a trillion
dollar deficits here maybe by the end of this year, which they used to get really excited about under president obama. they are doing that again, spending more money and clinging to this fiction that an individual trade deficit and cumulative trade deficit is something to be worried about rather than something to even be celebrated. if i'm spending money on something i want and you sell it to me, cool, that is not at all a problem. what is a problem is if your actions are making me spend a hell of a lot more money for things when george w. bush tried to do a steel tariff to protection the steel industry, it cost 200,000 other jobs in other industries. that's what trade wars do. you can't win them and can't certainly win them easily. >> so why start them? >> because you have a president who's believed this stuff for 30, 40 years, and you have enough republicans who -- including the base. he's changed public opinion on this. this is remarkable. december 2016 suddenly republicans are more hostile on
the base than democrats and this is because of trumpian rhetoric. so he's doing it because he thinks he won the presidency in part because of this and he can find enough one or two or three people to go along with him. reince priebus at the rnc, the most telling moment was he got up there, the chair of the republican party, and said donald trump is going to punish american companies for leaving the country and republicans cheered. in that moment i'm like, okay, we're done with what we thought we knew about the republican party. >> that brings up a good point, enlivening his base. i want to show a map with the swing states, michigan, pennsylvania, ohio, big aluminum and steel states that would be happy with this feasible trade war. >> some of the people that work in aluminum and steel, but that's not that many people. more people are going to be affected by the higher prices for things like, what's it called, beer, right? aviation, so many other industries that matter so much.
this is a ridiculous distraction, of course, very few people that agree with this, including any administration, including in a republican party, paul ryan doesn't like this. you have to wonder how much has to do with carl icahn made $32 million when he dropped stocks this week before the trump announcement. but why do it? yasmin, because we'll talk about it. because it's a distraction. same reason he tweeted about alec baldwin. he made an announcement about tariffs, went out talking to his own administration about this. you do not do this. that's why it won't work, that's why everything donald trump touches dies. >> we have this new nbc reporting that came out on friday morning, i believe, that basically talks about the fact the president was unglued. >> yeah. >> when he made this decision, everybody was telling him not to go there. gary cohn saying don't go there, a guy that he trusts. >> chairman of the fed, as well. >> exactly. yet he went there. >> he's fulfilling a campaign promise, and at the end of the day, even in 2002 with the
tariffs and whether it's national security or whether it's under section 201, it gets you to the negotiating table. we could take a deep breath because it's going to get everyone back to the negotiating table. the world trade organization has for 20 years had mechanisms to get everybody to the table and renegotiate, and who knows, maybe this is a negotiations strategy and at the end of the day, this was a campaign promise and, again, he's got to have it. >> the problem is, president trump tends to go back to these kinds of fights when he's cornered. so the russia investigation and the news about jared kushner made him unglued, according to nbc news reporting. >> hope hicks. >> so wilbur ross said you can start this particular fight, so he likes to fight and likes to fight back. sarah huckabee sanders says he likes to punch back and hit back, that's what this is. it's, obviously, pandering to his base. >> and he couldn't get his border tax, which is what he wanted in the tax deal. he couldn't get that. >> we have pete navarro
defending him, saying there are no downstream effects here, only the president saving and defending steel and aluminum industries, as the president said, we can't have a country without those industry, and i believe that. matt? >> that's the same party that's been beating up nancy pelosi for her crumbs comment, you know, talking about the money that americans can have in their pocket because of the tax reform deal. pennies in this aluminum can, who cares. that's utter ignorance. there isn't anybody who studies economics who is, regardless of where they are, who believes you can sort of magically have imposed costs, not ripple throughout the economy and be more important than a single penny. >> downstream, every other industry, specifically the automobile industry will be affected by these tariffs. you can't have a country without an automobile industry either. reminds me a few years ago at the opening olympics ceremony, pounding these drums, that's a metaphor what china does. they are laughing, they are taking over, they are eating our lunch. the way they have their economy
constructed, they can tell people, oh, fidget spinners are popular in america, make them right now. in america we're fighting about bringing coal back while we're tariffing solar. this is backwards and it will fail, including trump's supporters. >> united states, we are the consumers of the world, so we do have negotiating power. people can't do business, business is business and we're customers, so we can always go back to that table. >> before i let some of you go, just to sort of bring up this full screen that we have, canada will see the biggest impact of all this, 16% of steel imports. okay, karen de soto, pete dominick. you have to love how pete's brain works. what is that in there? >> what's what? it's a very, very, very curious and a lot of anger and insecurity. >> and passion. >> yeah. >> passion? i'll take it. >> passion. >> i didn't think you'd say passion. i'm dressed like a suburban father. >> thank you to you both. we'll be right back, everybody.
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include a ban on assault weapons within five miles of a school, creating a statewide gun registry and mental health exams for anyone looking to get a conceal to carry permit, but did vote to move ahead with arming some teachers, making bump stocks illegal, and funding school security measures like bullet proof glass and single point of entry systems. joining me now, andrew pollock. his 18-year-old daughter meadow lost her life in the shooting at marjory stoneman douglas high school. mr. pollock, thank you for joining me. how are you doing? >> i'm doing all right. first i want anyone who wants to help on my crusade, i want them to follow me at remembermeadow.com. go ahead. >> mr. pollock, i'm so sorry for your loss. i can't imagine what you're going through so soon after the tragic death of your daughter,
and i'm so incredibly impressed of your dedication to making changes in your state and protecting schools, as well. i know that you met with the president this past week. how did that go? >> it went great. he actually flew us down twice to the white house with my family. >> and what was said between the two of you? >> well, we discussed what happened. what measures florida is taking in this bill that you discussed. and i'm here to get my agenda out. and i don't think it's the same agenda as the media. >> so talk to me about your agenda, as you say, mr. pollack. >> my agenda is something we could achieve now as a country, we could achieve together, which is safe schools. i want my kids safe and all the kids that go to school should be safe. it shouldn't be right now we should be focused on school safety, not gun control.
>> so, part of your agenda is -- i know that you're going to tallahassee this week to see how representatives are going to vote on governor rick scott's gun proposal. you want -- >> there you go again. rick scott's gun proposal. it's school safety, okay, that's what it's about. >> it is school safety. you're absolutely right, it is school safety, but along that proposal, which i read through, is also gun reform, as well, within that proposal. so hence the reason why we're calling it gun proposal. and mr. pollack. >> take that gun thing out, because the main thing in it is school safety. there's mental illness in it, hardening the schools, it gives the police rights they didn't have before. >> so what do you want to see on school campuses, mr. pollack? >> what's in that bill that governor scott proposed. what's in the bill is hardening of the schools. that's in the bill. a lot of it has to do with mental illness, finding these kids before there's a shooting,
identifying them. there's metal detectors. that's going to be involved. bullet proof glass. bringing in the right professionals to look at each school individually and see what we could do to make those schools safer for our kids. so when our kids go to school, i want my kids to be like the judge that goes to the courthouse. when they go to the courthouse, do you think the judge is worried someone is going to come into their courtroom and shoot them? why is it it's acceptable for our kids to go to a school and they they got to worry someone is going to walk through the hallway and gun them down like they did to my kid. i want my kid safe as the judge, as the politician, i want the kids safe as those who go on an airplane. that's my crusade right now, and i think everybody needs to come together and do this. it's not political, it's common sense. we want our kids safe.
>> i am completely onboard with you, i think everyone wants their kids safe. i remember walking by a school my son is going to be attending one day and thought what are the security measures taken there in order to protect the kids in that school, so i completely understand where you're coming from, but i wanted to ask you this distinction, because i think this sort of falls by the wayside. i know that you are saying we have to tackle school safety first, and the gun issue is a second tier issue, but do you think that we do need to discuss gun legislation in this country if, in fact, the gun age was raised to 21, this shooter would not have been able to buy that ar-15. >> that's mute right now. he would have figured out another way to kill these kids, okay, they are not -- you're not thinking about it in a plane, like i said. we need to stop it at the door, and that's what this bill that governor scott proposed.
we're going to stop evil at the door before they get in the classroom. and that's the way i'm thinking about it. so he'll figure out another way to kill our kids. >> mr. pollack, i appreciate you joining me on a sunday afternoon. i know it's probably incredibly hard to relive this every single time, and i can't, again, my condolences -- >> i'm here for your kid right now and all the other kids in america. we got to stop this right now. and i'm here so to make sure there's not another shooting. 200 school shootings in this country. why has it not stopped, do you think? >> i don't know, mr. pollack. >> after every school shooting it's all about gun control. that's why it hasn't stopped. i'm here to say let's harden our schools. let's do that first and everyone, then we can focus second on the gun laws. people go do whatever you want with the gun laws. let's just make our schools safe right now, today. >> andrew pollack, thank you so much. we'll be right back, everybody.
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welcome back, everybody. a special counsel robert mueller investigation of the meddling in the 2016 election, he's also looking into whether countries other than russia may have exerted undo influence on the trump campaign. "the new york times" reporting george nader, adviser to the uae has been interviewed by mueller investigators about whether leaders tried to buy influence by donating to trump. "the times" assessed a memo
written for nader by elliot brody detailing efforts to set up private meetings with the president, attempts to get rex tillerson fired, and pressure to punish qatar. the white house did support a diplomatic blockade of qatar with trump taking credit for engineering the crisis in a series of tweets that month. joining me now, daniel hoffman, retired moscow station chief for the cia. i know you were listening to my interview in the next block, so i quickly want you to weigh in on that, because you have carried an ar-15 weapon. >> i have. i served in war zones for many years with the cia, and the way i frame this challenge we face in protecting our schools is really there's things you can do to the right of boom, in other words, an incident response phase, which is to protect the school itself, and we've had those discussions, but there's a lot we can do to protect ourselves left of boom.
that may be raising the age of those who can purchase weapons and banning assault rifles. i've carried them. that's a war zone weapon designed to kill your enemy. i think we need to have a conversation about whether civilians should have access to them at all in this country. >> i agree. i wanted to get you to weigh in there, so i appreciate that. i want to switch gears, nick, "the new york times" reporting mueller is looking into uae links, that they may have donated money to influence the trump campaign. your reaction to this? >> i think my reaction is, we just don't know. may be that they are looking at this, but you have to ask yourself first where's that coming from? is this coming from flynn, who really had access to a lot of this information? is it coming from rick gates, because there's some connection here to the whole russia matter? i just don't think we know enough about it. it's interesting, though, that this is spreading into other countries at this point. and the -- how it ties into the
whole russian investigation and into the campaign itself, i just don't think we really know the answers to that. >> but the fact that mueller, that robert mueller now, matt, is questioning this guy about these possible guys says something about where this investigation is actually going. >> it's almost a little bit worrying or troubling in a way there isn't a direct obvious tie to russia, the campaign, you know, bots attempts to get into voting machines or whatever, the usual purview. better from a political standpoint there had better be a connection between that, that is explicit with the russia campaign or it's going to start smelling. the mueller investigation has been disciplined about what it's been focusing on. this is the first thing to me that looks like you're wandering over here. there's a lot to talk about when dealing with how gulf states try to influence american presidents, this one and that one, and kushner should not have a portfolio due to his many
conflicts of interest. i hope we're not using the mueller investigation like a security clearance. >> i have a new axios survey that says 55% of americans trust the trump administration, not much at all when it comes to preventing foreign interference in the 2018 midterms. nsa director mike rogers said the trump white house has not even directed the nsa yet to strike back against russian hackers. daniel, are we ready for another attack from russia? >> the attacks are ongoing every day, and there's no indication that we are ready, either strategically, where the administration leadership, starting with the president, has gotten up and made a statement about our strategy to deal with russia. and then tactically as admiral rogers said, he hinted he could do something at the point of attack and hasn't been authorized to do so. that's certainly one way to do it. there are other ways, and we haven't really enacted any policy measures to counter this russian nefarious influence on
our political process. >> i want to show a little bit of megyn kelly's interview with russian president vladimir putin. and i have to read this verbatim. vladimir putin has denied any russia government involvement after u.s. charges of election meddling. but what about russian citizens who have been indicted in bob mueller's investigation. let's take a listen to megyn kelly and then we'll talk. >> translator: we cannot respond to that, they do not violate russian laws. >> would this violate russian law? >> translator: i have to see first what they've done, give us materials, give us information. >> hacking into the democratic national committee, creating interference in our election by creating bots that spread false information on twitter, on facebook. spreading misinformation when it comes to black lives matter, when it comes to our presidential election. that's what i'm talking about. >> translator: with all due respect for you personally, with all due respect for congress, you must have people with legal degrees. 100% you do. and people who are well educated
who must understand that we, russia, cannot prosecute anyone if they have not violated russian law. if you don't have a legal degree, i can explain to you. >> i do. >> translator: then you have to understand what it takes is an official request to the general prosecutor of the russian federation. give us a document. give us an official request. >> you said that the last time and now i'm back with an indictment. >> translator: this has to go through official channels, not through the press or yelling or hollering in the united states congress. >> so they'll see no penalty here, these people that have been indicted. what's your reaction to that? >> megyn kelly just graded vladimir putin's homework and he got an a-plus. she was reviewing what he's done to us and there's a geographic end point here. the internet research agencies located in florida, we know what they do and vladimir putin wanted us to know that's where this all ends up, but he's toying with us saying we have to
bring the evidence to the general prosecutor. that's what he'll always say, he wants us to deliver what evidence we have so he can see where our sources and methods are. >> he feels he's holding the upper hand? >> yeah, he's won out for sure, absolutely. >> chief criminal basically saying i didn't do anything wrong, show me where people did something wrong. >> with a wink and a nod. >> right. he is the one that directed everything and the problem that we're dealing with now is, we've got 50 states, they are all handling their own security in this area on voting. we have a federal government that is totally giving up any kind of semblance of responsibility in trying to organize a defense to any of this. you have a congress that won't do anything. you have a president that doesn't care, and so you've got a complete wild west here. any hackers can go in there and do whatever they want. >> quickly, daniel, while i have you, we had president putin announcing they have these new missiles in his very long speech, then heather mower
basically saying it was irresponsible of putin to say this, but really nothing else. we really had crickets from president trump there. what do you make of this? first of all, do you think he has them, do you believe him? >> sure, it's a question of how effective they are, but at the end of the day, this was a domestic stump speech. remember that he usually makes this address to his parliament in december, but he moved it to two weeks before the election purposely, and what he wants to do is highlight nato's threat and by extension his own military capability, because he wants to conflate the supposed military threat from the west with our ideas, which are really the existential threat that is the greatest concern of vladimir putin. what scares him the most is democracy. he knows with his own people he has to highlight the military threat, it also justifies his military spy state's existence. >> do you think the state department should have given a stronger response to what he showed? >> we certainly -- general mattis could have given a
response, as well, absolutely. >> should have given some response. >> right. versus just -- >> zero response, which is totally unacceptable. >> i've been told two minutes over, so i have to move on, guys. daniel hoffman, nick ackerman, thank you to you all. she came face to face with a gunman and prevented a school shooting. her heroic story now up for an oscar after the break. hear what she thinks about arming teachers with guns. we'll be right back. to severe crohn's disease. then i realized something was missing... me. my symptoms were keeping me from being there. so, i talked to my doctor and learned humira is for people who still have symptoms of crohn's disease after trying other medications. and the majority of people on humira saw significant symptom relief and many achieved remission in as little as 4 weeks. humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal infections and cancers, including lymphoma, have happened; as have blood, liver, and nervous system problems,
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. hey. this is real. no joke. we're all going to die today. >> so that is a clip from the oscar-nominated short film "dekalb elementary" based on an indent in georgia where michael hail walked into an elementary school with a rifle, possibly determined to end a lives. but an amazing act of courage in the school's bookkeeper would change all of that. for over an hour, antoinette tuft, calmly and convinced hill to turn himself in before he could harm anybody. the film is garnering extra attention in the aftermath of the school shooting in parkland,
florida. joining me now is the real life heroin depicted in that film, antoinette tough. thank you for joining me this sunday afternoon. i watched this short in anticipation of you coming on my show, and i have to say it is incredible. the courage that you had it so unbelievable to me. i think so many of us think about being in that situation, how we would react. and we all only hope we would react in the way in which you did. quickly take me through what it was like to live through something like that. a school shooter in your place of work. >> it was overwhelming, august 20 of 2013. i was not actually in a good state of mind that day. i tried to commit suicide two days before that. so when i went into the school that day, it was actually me putting on the mask. hoping that no one in school knew what i was going through and what i was facing. >> wow. that was such an unbelieve al moment. when you kind of were talking
the shooter off the cliff, shall i say, from doing something awful and wanting to shoot up, he said, pleefs at the time, in the short. and you said, i've been there. i know what you're feeling like p. because the shooter admitted to you that he was in a bad place. he needed medication and help. you said, i've been there and you admitted to him that you tried to commit suicide. >> the thing about it, is we were pain meeting pain. both in pain that day. so for us an ordeal where god allowed us to both to connect. not only just to save my life but to save over 870 innocent children, staff and parents. but also important for me that we say the gunman's life that day also. so that was a reaction that you could see where having compassion, confidence and control will allow us to be able to see how it can end in a good act of shooter in the end of the day. >> at the end of the film, you broke down, once he was
apprehended and it is obviously showing the fear that you had short of been keeping inside. how did you stay so calm throughout the entire ordeal? >> well, to be honest with you, i was screaming on the inside. if you go back and look at my movie on lifetime, you can see what that looked like for me back then in that room with that gunman as he was walking to and fro. me trying to convince him not to kill the children but not to kill himself. a moment that no matter what you're going through in life, you hope that you never encounter. so for me, that day, i didn't realize how calm i was. i had to go back sometimes and listen to the 911 tape to see if that's really me even now to the date. >> i want to recommend to everybody, if you've not seen the short, it literally takes 20 minutes to watch. but if you have the opportunity, please see it. i think you can find it on youtube or something. called "dekalb elementary." it shows an incredible amount of
heroism from my guest. thank you so much, antoinette. i appreciate you being there and also you being in that skoonl that day. thank you so much. >> thach you. coming up, everybody. trade tremors felt worldwide over president trump's trade proposal. backlash on that coming up. from the very beginning ... it was always our singular focus. to do whatever it takes, use every possible resource. to fight cancer. and never lose sight of the patients we're fighting for. our cancer treatment specialists share
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pure madness, that's how one person describes the mood at the white house right now. that's from an ally of the president. how donald trump is dealing with the stream of chaotic headlines. from white house crown prince to clown prince as he is being te scribed. jared kushner now finds himself on the ropes. and possibly on his way out. we look at his fall from grace. vladimir putin with a secret missile. crickets, no rocket man insults from trump for the russian leader. we will take a deep are look that coming up later this hour. but we begin with the white house. hoping for a fresh start this week after a tumultuous week are for the president and his cabinet members, including resignation of hope hicks seen as the president's closest confidant. the stripping of the top level security clearance of son-in-law and adviser jared kushner followed bay slew of rough headlines that led to specul