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welcome back. i'm david gura. we're following several developing stories. russia investigation outrage. president trump lashing out in a series of scathing tweets after his legal team purportedly receives a list of questions from special counsel robert mueller. will the president meet with investigators? former deputy director andrew mccabe hiring an attorney as lawmakers from both parties condemn his firing. 2020 jump start, the president looking to rally supporters taking his daughter ivanka to a key battleground state. will his message help or hurt fellow republicans concerned about this year's midterms. breaking news in russia where president vladimir putin has officially won his fourth term in officing, adding another six years. let's go to richard engel in moscow. i was using cautious language 20 minutes ago.
what's the latest on the election held today? >> reporter: as we were talking about earlier, this was always a forgone conclusion. what people here are waiting for is not to see if president putin has won another six-year term but by how much. that is the sport they're playing tonight as they're watching these resulting come in. about a third of the votes have been counted according to several tallies on russian state television. and a third of the results indicate putin won about 73% of the vote with somewhere just above 60% voter turnout. those numbers could change. they are expected to have the final preliminary results, the official results won't be actually announced for some time, in the next few hours, but they have not been changing much over the last hour or so. they seem to be covering and stabilizing right at that mark, about 73% for putin and with a
roughly 60% turnout. if it does stay at that number, as these results continue and the other two-thirds of the ballot are counted, that would make putin the most popularly elected russian president since there have been' lkted russian presidents, since the creation of the russian federation after the collapse of the soviet union. that would be an enormous boost for his pride, and if you believe the results, an enormous vote of confidence for the leader of this country. >> thank you very much for the update, richard engel in moscow. back in the u.s., with andrew mccabe fired, the president is directly attacking robert mueller and the team of lawyers working on the russia probe. mccabe's attorney hitting back on twitter tweeting this, we will not be responding to each childish, defamatory, disgusting and false tweet by the president. the whole truth will come out in
due course. the tweets confirm he has corrupted the entire process that led to mccabe's termination. president trump questioning their political leanings. mueller, i should note is a republican. no collusion was found in an investigation that is still very much on going. joining me is natasha bertrand from "atlantic." shelby holiday. >> it's significant that andrew mccabe has hired him. what recourse do we have? what will we see from andrew mccabe in the coming days and weeks? >> perhaps a book deal. they're coming out swinging in order to preserve andrew mccabe's reputation. he says he was unfairly targeted, does not believe he deserved to be fired before he reached his retirement. whether or not that's true remains to be seen. we have to await the inspector general report. but it is clear he had a full pr
operation ready for when this was going to happen, whether or not he was forced out or whether or not he would retire early. it's obvious that he believes he has evidence that could incriminate the president along with james comey and he thinks that's the reason why now the president is trying to undermine him. >> shelby, an amazing, pr onslaught. statements from friends and colleagues of his as well. let's talk about his broader point in that statement, he's one component part of a larger attack on law enforcement. how is that resonating with lawmakers. chuck schumer calling upon republicans to stand up to protect bob mueller's investigation? is it gaining ground? >> we heard senator lindsey graham say red line, if trump touches mueller, his republican colleagues believe that would be a red line for them, yet, we haven't really heard much from them so it's unclear. some legal experts say trump
continues to float these balloons and to push the limits, see what he can get away with, see what republicans are willing to push back on. so far the answer is not much. another former sdny prosecutor also said mccabe could have a case for retaliation. it depends if he can prove there was no lack of candor. so far the timing of his firing is questionable, the tweets surrounding it. it's amazing when you take a step back how much is being done on twitter. twitter is the place to be if you're following the investigation right now. that doesn't help the president because the president spent a great deal of time fweeting about and trying to discredit andy mccabe. >> natasha, what do your sources say about how in peril the investigation is? in shelby's report, the nbc news talking about bob mueller. people hold that investigation in high regard. is the concern founded that that sort of buffer protecting it
might be eroded? >> it's possible. i think the administration itself has given credibility to the mueller probe because the treasury came out and sanctioned some of the same people bob mueller indicted for russian election interference a few weeks ago. that's a layer of credibility surrounding the probe from the administration itself, as well as if trump would come out and fire bob mueller, what shelby said is right, we haven't seen much from republicans by way of actual action when it comes to protecting the special counsel. there's stalled legislation that hasn't been a main priority for the republicans, back as recently as january you had many republicans saying i don't see a need for this investigation to move forward at this point because i think it's undermaef underestimating what the president is doing. >> he still maintains no collusion, no crime. he's still tweeting this despite the fact that we do have
evidence of collusion between members of his campaign, not the president himself, but there's evidence. there's evidence of crimes. as natasha said, the administration actually agreed with the special counsel in that regard in the sanctions we just saw. the president continues to say this. but most people, if you look in polls, don't believe him. >> natasha, when you look at andrew mccabe he has a pivotal role to play in this investigation as it goes on. to remind us of that, he was early to look into this, raise alert about this. what role is he going to play in that sense going forward. how integrally tied is he to the investigation? >> he was close to james comey. he was privy to the conversations james comey was having with the president last year. he told -- he said he was told by james comey about the conversations troum had with him about perhaps letting the investigation into michael flynn go, about saying pub plikly he was not under investigation. of course, he has been interviewed by mueller and has
handed over to mueller memos, contemporaneous memos he wrote memorializing his conversations with the president in which trump actually criticized his wife for being a democrat. this was clearly -- it's going to be evidence that trump has attempted to politicize law enforcement and it's going to be further evidence of perhaps corrupt intent when he did move to fire comey and tried and pressured the fbi to fire andy mccabe. >> shelby, lastly, how pivotal are those memos going to be? that caused quite a stir yesterday, that that happened, how pivotal could that be? >> very pivotal. it's evidence. if the memos corroborate each other and conversations by the people privy to the conversation, it's absolutely critical. i'd note that the president is trying to discredit the memos on twitter, calling them fake me s memos. this adds to the pattern of intent. when it comes to obstruction of
justice, you have to prove intent. that's a high bar. if you continue to look at the pattern, the statements and the tweets -- all the statements made by president trump's lawyers and everybody around him, it does add up to that building pattern of obstruction of justice which most people think is ultimately what could get the president in a lot of trouble here. >> great to talk to both of you. with the president ramping up his attacks on robert mueller and his team, a new piece in "the atlantic" is america on the verge of a constitutional crisis. ben wit says there's a better term and it's constitutional rot. >> senior fellow at the brooks kings institution and editor of "law fair." you talk about constitutional crisis. we're more familiar with what that may mean or might mean. help us with constitutional rot. what's that? >> constitutional crisis is an acute moment in which the constitutional order is tested,
and constitutional rot is slower. it's the hollowing out without overtly destroying the forms of constitution government, the kind of making them not work right. think of a floorboard that is rotting away, but can still sort of hold you up until the day it can't. >> you note we might overuse the definition of constitutional crisis. you beg the question in this piece, at what point does a bad president doing bad things become a problem of constitutional magnitude, let alone a crisis of constitutional magnitude. are we at the problem stage yet? where do you situate us as all this unfolds? >> so look, i think the question -- one of the things about the term constitutional crisis is it really doesn't have a fixed meaning which is part of the point of the piece, that we all feel like we are in a really dark and dangerous time, and yet
every day the functions of government basically kind of go on as normal. the governance sunrises in the east and sets in the west every day. so it's sort of hard to see an acute crisis moment, and that's why we all talk about it as kind of on the verge of a crisis if the president fires mueller or a crisis if he defies a court order. and this is why i think the term rot or the term we actually come up with at the end is constitutional infection, is kind of a better one because it sort of describes this process of degradation rather than focusing on the acute moment where it all falls apart. >> as you look at the body, the body of government here if we take your infection metaphor, what changed on friday night with that announcement that andrew mccabe had been fired? you write in the lead to that piece, the president of the united states demanded the firing of former fbi deputy
director, career civil servant after tormenting him public and privately and in eye tall sis you write, and it worked. what changed on friday night? >> i think friday night is a continuation of something that had been going on since the beginning of the trump administration which is a relationship between the president and federal law enforcement that is simply a toxic thing in a democratic values point of view where the president demands loyalty of his senior fbi officials, where he demands that investigations he doesn't like get dropped or calls them witch hunts and demands they go away. and conversely demands that his law enforcement apparatus investigate his political opponents. this is toxic, toxic stuff. this is now the second time he
has caused or precipitated or demanded the firing of a senior fbi official who had run afoul of him. i don't think we know at this stage the facts of what andy mccabe did, and so it's premature to say he's beyond fault in any way. however, it's certainly clear what the president did. that's extremely ugly stuff. >> on that point, just lastly here, i want to get your counsel on what we do here with limited information. this was, we understand, based on the inspector general's report that a few have seen. it's not a document that is public yet. i go to the back and forth over memos from the house intelligence committee. things we saw and didn't see. just a handful of lawmakers saw the underlying documents and we had to take at face fall you
what others had to say. decisions are being made without knowing why they were made. >> i think it is well worth everybody reserving judgment on the facts of andrew mccabe's conduct. the facts here are going to come out, the inspector general's report, as well as andy mccabe's response to it will become public. we will be able to judge for ourselves. what we know at this stage is not the detail of his conduct. what we know is what was done to him. and i think it's fair to say that it is highly, highly unusual to race to fire somebody hours before he is slated to retire, and it is not merely unusual, but completely unprecedented for the president of the united states to be publicly going on a campaign demanding the removal of an fbi official. so i think you can say we should reserve judgment about what andy
mccabe did. i don't think we should reserve judgment about what the president did. >> ben wittes, thank you, nbc legal analyst. appreciate the time. >> thank you. >> sweeping condemnation from those taking issue with the firing of andrew mccabe. my next guest says the president is scared of what mccabe has to say. i'll talk with congressman ted lue next. powerfully efficient and one more thing the world comes with it ♪you can go your own way... the 2019 jeep cherokee fthere's flonase sensimist.tchy and watery near pollen. it relieves all your worst symptoms
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the president said there was a great day for democracy yesterday. i think it was a horrible day for democracy. >> my problem is the timing and the way it all worked. it just seemed mean spirited. >> you have the president through his lawyer trying to shut down the mueller investigation and speaking out against special counsel. members need to speak out now. don't wait for the crisis. >> that was reaction from lawmakers on all sides of the aisle this morning weighing in on fbi deputy director andrew mccabe's firing late friday night and the growing developments in the robert mueller investigation.
for more on this, let's bring in congressman ted lieu from california, representing the 33rd district. great to have you with us. i want to start with your reaction to that firing late on friday night. there was speculation it might happen. how did you react to the news that it did? >> i thank you, david, for your question. i thought it was awfully vindictive. let me just say i interviewed andrew mccabe as part of a closed door judiciary committee session. i called on the republicans to release the full transcript of that session. the fact they haven't done that yet tells me they're not too happy about what andrew mccabe said. i think american people should hear what he said. while we don't know what the inspector general's report is all about, we know based on public reporting and andrew mccabe's statement, that's about what he did in relation to the hillary clinton campaign, has nothing to do with mueller's probe. >> mccabe said all this began when he spoke to your colleagues
on capitol hill, when he testified before a house committee. does that ring true with you as well? did you see attacks on himesque wlaet aft late after that happened? >> it's possible. i do know i've never seen a president of the united states go after an individual. this is awfully mean spirited. it just tells me that donald trump is really scared of what andrew mccabe will say with his testimony if it comes to that, as well as the memos that andrew mccabe wrote that special counsel has. >> your colleague from californ california, calling for lawmakers to stand up in outrage, in defense of bob mueller and the investigation. are there signs you see that's going to happen in a bipartisan way? >> yes, i'm pleased senator lindsey graham said this would be the start of the end of donald trump's presidency if he were to fire mueller. my colleague trey gowdy also said we should let the mueller investigation continue. i'm a former prosecutor myself.
i can tell you none of the actions donald trump is taking are consistent with innocence. they actually scream out consciousness of guilt. that's basically what happens if someone is very scared about what an investigation might reveal. >> you've seen the presidents tweets this morning i know because you've been tweeting about them. he tweeted about what he called fake memos that andrew mccabe kept contemporaneously when he was deputy director of the fbi. you said this tweet about fake memos shows real donald trump is scared of what andrew mccabe wrote. you know what a 21-year veteran of the fbi would be good at? noting indications of skepticism. >> i don't think it's a coincidence donald trump is having a twitter meltdown this weekend because of two facts he may not have known about. first, is that andrew mccabe wrote these memos. and second, he got a list of questions from special counsel mueller about what they want to
ask him, and that may have freaked him out, caused him to single out robert mueller directly in his tweets. really this is one of those times in american history where we need to stand up as a nation and say we are a country of laws, not of people. >> we've seen the president talk about robert mueller specifically, use his name in a tweet. there was another tweet he talked about the democrats who comprise bob mueller's investigative team. you responded, quote, another twitter meltdown by a scared donald trump. facts you continue, the three people leading the investigation, rosenstein, ray and mueller, all republicans and veterans. how worried are you about the pollicization of this investigation, not to say robert mueller's investigation is political, but that politics are beginning to surround bob mueller's investigation?
>> one of the saddest parts of the president's attacks on the fbi and department of justice is his view that just because you happen to be a democrat or republican means you can't apply the facts to the law, you can't do your job. that's very corrosive to democracy. i trust ray, i trust rosen stein, i trust mueller even though they're republicans because i know they'll do what the constitution tells them to do. i call on the president to stop attacking the fbi, the department of justice and the department of state. it's outrageous and it's uncalled for. >> what are the odds, as you see them, that we'll get hearings on this matter, that we'll see lawmakers get answers on how he was fired in the way he has. just by virtue of what's in the majority, do you think we might get a hearing? >> i think it's possible we might get a hearing. if we change the makeup of congress in november, we'll
absolutely get hearings. now andrew mccabe is no longer in the fbi. he can say whatever he wants to say. he can hold a press conference. he can do a lot. i look forward to andrew mccabe's story coming out to the american people. >> in the time we have left, there was report in "the new york times" about nancy pelosi, your leader in the democratic caucus saying if hillary clinton had won, she might have stepped down from that position. i note a new poll in which respondents were asked about their attitudes. the total positive reaction to pelosi was 21, the negative is 43. that's a difference of 22 points. how worried are you about her ability to continue in that position? >> i support nancy pelosi. i will support her again. i do know in that same pole paul ryan has similar numbers. when you're the leader of the respective caucuses, you'll be
attacked. nancy pelosi has been a very effective democratic leader. the other side of that poll shows democrats have a double-digit advantage on the generic congressional ballot. that means all signs indicate we're flipping the house. >> that's 50 versus 40. i'll ask you about the special election that took place last week in pennsylvania, western pennsylvania far away from where you are in southern california. i wonder what messages you took away from that race. it was about that part of western pennsylvania. does it tell you something and if so, does it tell you what democrats should be running on as we head to the midterms. >> i'm a vice chair of the committee. we're targeting over 100 seats that have better democratic performance than western pennsylvania. connor lamb had a resounding victory but it was not in isolation. it built upon the same victories we had last november as well as
this year. the voter behavior shift is very consistent in these elections, between 15 to 20 points. if that carries to this november, we'll take back a lot of seats and win the house. >> congressman ted lieu, thank you very much. appreciate the time. >> thank you. one side of the gun control debate you have not heard. an important discussion on how raisin flunss how the media and lawmakers respond to gun violence. that's coming up next. how do you win at business? stay at laquinta. where we're changing with contemporary make-overs. then, use the ultimate power handshake, the upper hander with a double palm grab.
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this week tens of thousands of students from across the country joined the students of parkland high school to walk out for a 17-minute protest. it brought together students from all backgrounds to call for gun control legislation. some students pointed out the gun reform debate has largely ignored how media responds. how race, poverty and police violence affect how we address gun reform. joining me, the chief content officer, amy barnett, who created t created it. it's great to have both of you here. lila, i'll start with you and read a quote for the piece you wrote for the grio.com. i'm 15 years old, a sophomore in high school. instead of focusing on my education every day, i have to worry about my life every day.
give me an idea of how much you're thinking about your own safety when you go to school at grady high school in georgia. >> i'm just sitting in my classroom and i'm constantly thinking about how open my campus is and how easy it is for people to just walk in and do whatever they want inside my school. when i'm in my ap world history class, i'm right by the door and the hallway and i hear a loud noise and i think what is that? am i going to have to go find a place to hide? how is my life going to be affected today by gun violence possibly. >> lila, i've talked to survivors of that attack, students from parkland high school. it clearly had a profound impact on what they think about gun policy and gun violence. how did that attack affect you? you're not in florida, not at that school. how is this one different? >> i think it's so common for high school shootings to happen in america now, and i think you need to realize how easy it is for that to be you and your school.
that happening in parkland -- parkla parkland, florida, is right next to georgia. i feel like that's so easy to happen in atlanta especially because it's such a big city and so many neighborhoods around where sketchy things can happen. being right in the middle of atlanta, it's so easy for something like that to happen. i think it's important for me to voice my opinion and show it's a very big issue and it's very easy for it to happen. i wanted to show how i can change that somehow at my school to help. >> amy, you clearly thought the same thing, that lyle ha's opinion is important to share. you found six african-american students to weigh in. how did this come about? why did you decide to do this? >> gun violence has been an important issue in the black community for a lot of years. obviously we clearly support what's happening with the parkland students and this movement and we wanted to gather opinions from teens across the country in the wake of this because it's ignited more of a
youth movement across all demographics in this country. this is something that's been affecting the black community for a lot of years. we felt it was important to highlight the perspectives of african-american teens who are affected by this gun violence. >> lila, i'll ask you about that. i read a piece in "time" magazine that quoted a student from brooklyn tech, a sophomore like yourself. he said gun control for someone who is white is gun control for someone who is black. >> gun violence is very apparent in minority community especially, i think when we're talking about gun violence, it's not just at schools. you need to think about how it's affecting everybody, in minority communities and african-american communities, guns are prevalent. it's a way different conversation when you're talking to african-americans and other
minorities. >> amy, do you sense this conversation is changing? we talked about what's changed policywise in the aftermath of the parkland shooting, what you were honing in, how it varies by race. do you see the conversation expanding and becoming more inclusive. go ahead, amy. lila. you can answer next. >> i hope so. i hope that now the nation is in a mood to address gun violence and we can have a conversation about what's been going on in the african-american community. black children are ten times more likely than white children to be affected by gun violence. black men are 13 times more likely than white men to be shot and killed. this is something that's been affecting our community for a lot of years and we've been pro testing this for a lot of years. when you look at how this negatively impacts black children in particular, you see these kids who otherwise have a bright future falling back into this revolving door of poverty
and crime and violence. they are negatively impacted in an ongoing capacity. i think it's incredibly important for lawmakers, while we're talking about gun violence and gun control legislation across the country, to think about the myriad of ways it affects black people, so that we're not just looking at the legislation but also at all the things that can be done to support the community, through better education, better mental health support, better economic career opportunities and frankly, a law enforcement and judicial system that doesn't disproportionately target black and brown people. >> lila, you organized and participated in the walk-out at grady high school. do you sense the conversation is changing? >> yeah, we had a conversation in my class about how the walkout is helping students all around america voicing our teenage voices so we're heard. i think it's really important to
speak up in our classrooms because students are being affected by this. i thi we need to have a bigger opinion and more topics on how we can help change this. >> nice to talk to both of you. very important topic at the grio.com. president trump went after james comey, andrew mccabe and robert mueller's team, accusing comey of lying under oath, mccabe of fake memos and questioning robert mueller's team. let me start with one thing that the president tweeted this morning. he said the mueller probe should never have been started in that there was no collusion and no crime. it was based on fraudulent activities and a fake dossier paid for by krked hillary and the dnc.
how much have things changed in the last few days? >> i think we've seen significant changes in the overall context of this investigation. but one thing doesn't change. robert mueller is going to do his work, wake up every day with his team of prosecutors including andrew weissman who focuses on financial crimes which is i i think president trump is freaking out in this moment. they're going to continue to do their work. the court of lau is something that's going to remain intact, that case. but the court of public opinion is what president trump is trying to impact when he's tweeting things like this. essentially that's all of the arguments he's been using against the mueller probe in one single tweet. he's saying the investigation started out because of a phony dossier. that is actually not true. the investigation started because he fired james comey and the doj appointed him to be the special counsel. that's actually what happened. and also, to say that the dossier is fake doesn't -- it belies the facts.
while some of the more sell licious things in the dossier have not been verified, there are a number of things that have been verified in the dossier. mueller is going to kwont to do his work and the american people should trust his investigation is apolitical. >> richard, i want your take on this as well. we see robert mueller being called out by name on twitter, the first time he's done that, casting aspersions on how comprises that team. how happy are republicans with the president calling folks out? >> i think most republicans want the judicial process to go through. >> let it play out. >> absolutely. this is the united states. there is a constitution. it absolutely should play out. the real issue is there has been up to this point no evidence of collusion. so the president has every right to say, you know, let's wrap this investigation up. he's offered to be interviewed so this investigation can get over. the country wants to move on from this investigation. no evidence of collusion. we have 13 indicted russians,
two fbi agents that were kicked off for being biased toward the president and still no evidence of collusion. going to almost a year. >> let me list some of the evidence. >> either you or me. >> here is the facts. collusion is not a legal term. essentially the president throws that word out. you can't prove it or disprove it in a court of law. but conspiracy is a crime. there is evidence that there was coordination of some kind between the trump campaign officials and russia. george papadopoulos pled guilty to lying to the fbi about the context of his communications with russia. in addition, donald trump jr. met with russians in trump tower after a russian essentially said, would you like to collude. and he said, yes, i love it, later in the summer. so to say there is no evidence of collusion is essentially a distraction from the fact that there is evidence that the trump campaign absolutely was eager to coordinate, to get a better from the dirt that the russians had
on hillary clinton. does that rise to the level of a crime provable in court? that is an open question. >> there's still a lot to be proven. donald trump jr. met with somebody who said i have information about the clinton campaign. that turned out to be nothing. >> e-mails released later in the summer. that's not a fact? >> there was nothing that happened. >> nothing happened? >> is donald trump jr. under arrest? >> not yet. but he's under investigation. >> there's no evidence -- you said there's no collusion. >> collusion is not a legal term. >> as an attorney -- >> i'm also an attorney. >> whether or not russia was able to, because they cannot promote a campaign or an issue with foreign dollars. whether they colluded with, right, the trump campaign to use foreign money to support the trump presidency -- >> that's not the only allegation. >> that's what they're looking at. >> that's not the only allegation. >> so far there's no evidence. >> yes, because mueller is continuing to do his work.
that's not the only allegation. the allegation also includes coordination about social media propaganda spreading that. there's also evidence that the trump campaign new about the hakted e-mails before they were released. roger stone is in a lot of trouble. >> i have not heard you mention the president is in trouble and there's evidence that the president committed a crime. >> i didn't say anything about the president committing a crime. mueller is looking at trump and his campaign. >> i want you to respond to what chuck schumer said this morning. you see the president going after bob mueller. there's agreement bob mueller is doing his thing. a lot to be determined. chuck shuker wants republicans to stand up and say there is red line. are you and other republicans prepared to say yes, in fact, that needs to happen? >> i don't think there's any republican that has come out and said the president should fire mueller.
the house republicans have said we found no collusion or we found no -- >> they packed things up a few months ago. >> at half-time and saying he won the game. >> the senate is still continuing their investigation. led the process play out. ultimately at the end of the day when the president is vindicated by the mueller investigation, we can sit easy and the countries will move on. >> doesn't seem like the president is resting easy today. >> richard st. paul, julia maxwell, thank you very much. a hulu series called "the looming tower" looks at the rivalry between the cia and the fbi in the leadup to the september 11th attacks. i talk to ali soufan who tried to stop the attack and also lawrence wright the pulitzer prize winning author of the book that series is based. >> the tension between the fbi and cia. how bad was it, for lack of a better question? how difficult was the
relationship? >> drama is the name of the game here, right? everything you see in the show is based on real events. i think the writers and the producers stayed very true to the investigative part of the story. look, when i was going through what i was going through in the fbi during the east africa embassy bombing or the u.s.s. cole, we didn't know there was that tension. we were working closely together. when 9/11 happened, we realized that there was a lot of information that the u.s. government knew at the time, and that information was not shared with us, then we knew what was going on behind closed doors in both entities. at the time we didn't know. at the time we were working very closely together and it was really shocking when you meet every day almost with other folks from different agencies and you're talking about the case that you're working which includes the murder of 17
american sailors, and some people had information that you ear looking for in yemen and they refused to share it with you. that did not happen until later on. this now has been documented not only in the 9/11 commission, but also the cia's inspector general report, fbi inspector general report. the story has been written. the story has been documented, the story has been told, but the story hasn't been shown, and i think that's what's great about this show. finally the american people will have the opportunity to know that 9/11 didn't come out of thin air. larry did a phenomenal job in putting the book together. he had the courage to be the very first journalist to actually put the pieces of the puzzle together. now it's the opportunity for the american people to see what happened and how it happened and how the world changed on that tragic day on tuesday. >> larry, how much is the intelligence community changed? there is this wall between agencies for such a long time.
there was an effort to get that law lowered if not eliminated. we now have a director of national intelligence, the community has been reorganized. how successfully has that been done? >> it's a far different community now than it was on 9/11. in particular, i would point to the national counterterrorism center where representatives from all of our intelligence agencies sit together, and they're supposed to share information. they actually have desks next to each other. that's wonderful, really help l helpful. our relationship with foreign intelligence agencies has improved dramatically. so in those ways, we're much stronger, better defended nation than we were. on the other hand, the threat has proliferated and gotten more sophisticated as well. >> you bring to life many of these personalities, ali, john o'neill and more. in terms of who will be leading the cia as of now, this week, what's your sense of how much personality and personal
matters -- how much does it matter who is helming the whole thing? >> it's very significant. i look back at 9/11, the cultures of the bureau and the agency at the time, there were institutional rivalries but there were within those institutions people who tried to reach out, and john o'neill on several occasions quite distinctry reached out to try to cooperate with the agency. but there are also people who waged war on the part of their agency. you saw like michael shotaro omori who is the head of the alex station, the bin laden station. after 9/11, he testified before congress that the only good thing that happened on 9/11 was a building fell on john o'neill, his antagonist at the fbi. that sounds unbelievable when you hear it, but it represents the attitude of certain individuals within the agency
who cut off the kind of exchange of information that might have stopped the plot. >> i want to pick up on that. the message of the story is that institutions matter and there are a lot of people who work for these institutions trying to do good in them. we've seen career civil servants villainized on social media by the president, members of this administration in recent months. what's the effect of that as you see it, looking back in your career as someone toiling in the trenches. how worried are you in light of the rhetoric surrounding those people today? >> i think what you said is so true, especially the men and women in the cia, fbi, a lot of people putting their life on the line every day to fight for what's right, to protect the interests of the united states. it's very disheartening when you see them being belittled via twitter or even in the case of, for example, the secretary of
state literally being fired on twitter. i think this is very disheartening, but a lot of the people i know in the intelligence community and in the fbi, they started to tone all these things off. they know they have an enemy to fight. they know terrorism or russia or whatever, they are focusing on that, focusing on doing the right thing. they take their oath to protect the united states against all enemies, for and domestic very seriously. frankly they're toning their commander-in-chief off. it's disheartening in so many ways, but i think we have something called institutions in america. institutions are way bigger than politicians. people can corrupt politicians, but so far thankfully they're not able to corrupt our institutions, and i believe we shall over come. >> lawrence wright, thank you
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here to give us an insider's take on his stop and what else is ahead in the week, senior editor for politics telling us what to watch for. the president going to new hampshire. ivanka is going where and why is that significant? >> she's going to iowa. they're both going out on the same day. trump is going to talk about opioids in new hampshire, a place he's referred to in the past as a drug infested den. it's where he really got his first victory in the 2016 primary. ivanka will be in iowa doing a jobs event. what's significant is both states, they're the number one states, first primary in new hampshire, first caucus is in iowa. why is this political fire power going out now? that's what i'm watching for. whether the two of them will make any explicit discussions of 2020, of the president's politics and his 2020 election bid, we know he's planning to
run. iowa is a place where he lost a lot of popularity. all polling shows him really sagging. even though that's a state that has has the white rural voters. she's campaigning with the governor of iowa who is another republican. >> that's monday. on tuesday there's a primary in illinois. you're watching that as well. what is important about those races? there's an interesting race, the third congressional race where dan lipinski, the last moderate to conservative democrat serving in the house is fighting for his political life right now. he is not in favor of abortion rights, so he's been under fire by the folks who support abortion rights. his opponent, marie newman is very popular among those left leaning groups, backed by bernie sanders, others in the democratic caucus in the house who are going against their colleague, dan lipinski to go against this newcomer. if she wins, if he's able to
defeat dan lipinski, his family has strong roots in that district. his father served before he did. if she knocks him off, whether that will play into republicans' argument that no moderate is safe. that conor lamb who just won the special election is a one-off. the party is lurching to the left. dan lipinski said he worried the democrats are turning into a tea party left party. >> we're looking for the next conor lamb. what's the next race you're going to be looking for to give us an indication? there was a race in pennsylvania's 18th. what's next? >> another special election in arizona. not until april 24th, but everybody is looking for that conor lamb as you say. the candidate there, her name is dr. tipernini. she's an emergency room physician. she seems very smart and she's very ernest and eager. democrats are fired up as we know everywhere. certainly fired up in arizona as
well. this is going to be a tough race. >> is there money in that race the same as there was in pennsylvania? >> that's the question. i'm watching whether emily's list decides to get involved, a pro choice woman democratic. if there's a belief from some of the independent expenditure groups that she has the chance to grab that mantle and run with it and win in a red district which trump won by 20 points just like that conor lamb district as well, whether she'll get that support and that kind of money that's going to make all the difference to whether or not she has the chance. supposedly her online base doubled or tripled. >> we'll be watching for it. beth, thanks very much. president trump staunchly defending the firing of fbi deputy chief andrew mccabe. could special counsel robert mueller be closely behind?
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