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be home in a month. as for the future, austin says he wants to grow up and be a pediatric cardiologist himself. austin, from everyone here on my show, may the force be with you. that, my friends, is some good news. that wraps up this hour. i'm stephanie ruehle. come up with my own princess leia, hallie jackson >> dr. austin has a nice ring to it. i know we'll be seeing you in a couple minutes on this show to talk tariffs because with washington digging out from that spring snowstorm, lawmakers are digging in to try to avoid another government shutdown. here is the deal. the house starts to vote this hour, and just about 15 minutes, on a big budget. it has more money for defense, more money for border security but republicans still are not totally sold, and even the president seemed to get cold feet this week. paul ryan is making a public push now to get this thing over the finish line but can he? joining us marc short, white
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house director of legislative affai affairs, just as the president gets ready to make good on a campaign promise, slapping china with steep, new tariffs but beijing this morning is promising to hit back and guess who is going to pay? you. in fact you kind of already are. the dow down nearly 300 points, just on the anticipation of this announcement. we're getting into that, and we're getting into what happens here in washington in less than 48 hours, when thousands of students from around the country will descend on d.c. for the march for our lives. we've got a team of reporters traveling with them including with kids from parkland, joining their journeys live later on in the show. our team is ready to go. lots to discuss. kasie hunt on capital hill, the vote on this so-called omnibus is set to start pretty soon, which means the votes are probably there to pass this thing, right? what's happening? >> reporter: typically, yes, that's considered to be a good sign, hallie. eight unlikely they would put this on the floor if they weren't confident they could get it done.
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it is a broad bipart son deal that lifts spending across the board. it's more spending for defense, more spending for domestic programs. it removes that sequester that we have talked so much about over the years. it's got some democrats accusing republicans of being willing to bust the budget when they're not running the show taken has some conservatives actually concerned about issues like immigration, for example. mark meadows telling "the washington post" that the president didn't get his wall in this negotiation. there of course is no daca fix also. they've essentially punted on that, not going to do daca or the wall in this. this has the house speaker paul ryan not necessarily openly peeved at conservatives, but he did take a little bit of a jab at them earlier today on fox news. take a look. >> it's funny, we pass this bill, the house passed all these bills back in september, and we passed them with republican only votes.
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this has the exact same funding for the border in this bill that we funded back in september, with all republican votes. so it's kind of interesting, people are sort of saying different things now. >> he's saying hey republicans you voted to are this exact level of border funding earlier in the session, why is that not good enough now, of course democrats also on board with this. we'll see what happens in the senator, probably a bigger question at this point than the house. we saw rand paul throw sand in the gears last time we had a brief shutdown. as you know, one senator can hold up the entire thing here, but the other piece of this, hallie, i think that's important for our viewers to remember ahead of the gun march that you mentioned there are some provisions around gun safety, including fix nicks measure discussed after the sutherland church shooting that requires data to the background check system and the cdc to fund
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research about guns, that's something that gun control advocates have long said very much hurts their cause and hurts americans who are trying to find out more about how to reduce gun violence. hallie? >> kasie hunt watching it unfold over the next hour or so on capitol hill, thank you. nbc's jeff bennett is at the white house. you got the drama on the hill, there's also some drama of how exactly this went down, given that the president seemed to get cold feet after weeks of negotiations between his senior advisers and folks on the hill. >> yeah, that's right, and of course the thing we're tracking over here are the new tariffs. president trump is expected to announce new tariffs on chinese imports at a 12:30 eastern event scheduled here at the white house, and look, it's going to be president trump's first trade action directly aimed at china, and as you know, president trump has in the past blamed china for hollowing out american manufacturing and unfair trade practices like currency manipulation which we should say helps china make its exports
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more affordable. there's also the complaint china steals u.s. intellectual property. that's not new. that's been a problem since the clinton years. so here's what we know. we expect the president will announce that he's slapping tariffs on somewhere between $50 billion to $60 billion worth of chinese exports. we'll get the final figure in a few hours. source tells us less than $60 billion for sure, a little more than 10% of all chinese goods sent to the u.s. in 2017. now, beijing is saying that it's going to retaliate if president trump goes through with his plan, meaning that a lot of things that come with the made in china tag could get more expensive. china hasn't offered any specifics on how it might respond but it has a couple of options, including the fact that look, china is one of the biggest buyers of u.s. crops, including soybeans, and it could hit back by targeting an industry like u.s. agriculture that employs a lot of trump supporters. this is a move that could lead
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to people in the heart of trump country bearing the brunt. >> jeff bennett, see you in a little bit for the announcement. i want to bring back in our friend, our goddess, stephanie ruhle to help us understand all of this. >> with an intro like that, i'm staying every day. >> you called me princess leia. i felt i had to reciprocate. jeff laid out what the president is going to do. can you. you t can you. you the it in plain english to people who go and buy things, consumers. >> moye mom who loves the target, let me point out two things jeff said that are spot on. on the campaign trail, the president said over and over, china was a currency manipulator. notice he doesn't say it anymore because peter navarro told him that on the campaign trail. he won and steve ma miu chin and gary cohn said sir we have a model we put in every currency, they're not a currently
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manipulator and to exactly his point about ag states not wanting trump to pull out of nafta, when president trump first started talking about pulling out of nafta, alawilbur ross, it was ag secretary perdue who showed up in trump's office with an electoral map of all the counties trump won and said sir, you are going to hurt the counties specifically that voted for you. so if we see us take these are i haves that are supposedly going to hurt china it doesn't make any sense. the president is right, in corporate america, would agree, china wages an economic war against us. they do steal our intellectual property, but doing what he's going to do is only going to hurt us and i want to give you a few numbers, because it is the red states, it is manufacturing and agriculture. i think we have the numbers. we can pull it up. u.s. exports to china in 2016, farming, 21 billion, aircraft 15 billion, electrical machinery 12 billion, and cars 11 billion. if that even seems too abstract, let's take to you your mom and
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my mom and the big box stores, they like to go to, because a letter came out from 49 of the country's biggest retailers, and in it they are arguing these tariffs would hurt working families who rely on lower priced staples from the big box stores and this quote "we must do right by american families who, while also addressing harmful tech practices." so are you going to create a few more jobs in the steel industry? maybe, but across loads of industries, you're going to see prices on items that people buy every day at walmart and target and wegman's that costs more. more people might have jobs but the jobs might not pay enough to afford the basic needs. >> that's the question, right. the jobs this creates will that actually offset the potential punishments that china could slap on products that they make. >> the answer to that is most likely no. president trump disagrees.
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peter navarro and wilbur ross but he's not a detail guy. larry kudlow who is joining the trump administration as national economic council. garry cohn left in part because he knows the tariffs will not work. kudlow doesn't want him to get out of nafta. kudlow says we need willful nations, willing nations to get together and figure out how we'll combat what china is doing but when you have a president who touts america first, and i, i alone, show me where the willing nations are going top. didn't he say he lied to justin trudeau. do you think he's going to go rock it, buddy, willing nations. he's in tpp. canada's all set. >> steph, appreciate you coming on. >> thanks for having me. >> you know your stuff. thank you, girl. >> nice to be with you. with us for the next hour, zeke miller, abby livingston. we've seen china today come out and again threaten retaliation, and say if this actually happens, you know who is going to pay for it, those soybean
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farmers in red states that voted for donald trump and they're going to have to go to donald trump and explain whier this see unhappy. >> exactly right but this is what donald trump was elected on. that's the tension here. they elected this disruption, they elected somebody who is going to sort of say, who elected people, somebody who is going to say this is the cost of doing business, has been the cost of doing business with china for decades but we need to change that system and break that paradigm. for better or for worse and even trump voters acknowledge that some of the things he's doing won't necessarily help them. that's the tension there. the question is will he pay for that in the polls and will party pay for it in november, pay for it in 2020? maybe, maybe not. >> the markets are paying for it right now. look at the big board in the box in the bottom of your screen. you can see it there down 250 points, abby. the president, i feel this is deja vu when we were covering two, three weeks ago the steel and aluminum tariffs and the dow was dropping and there was real concern about a president who
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likes to cite the markets watching what was happening to the markets. >> exactly t did bounce back for the most part. i have to say, this is not an abstract thing in my work with the tariffs, with the trade, with agriculture. i've been on the ground in west texas. there are two issues those people worry about, it's trade and also a bill that comes up every five years or so in congress called the farm bill, which is coming and it's farm subsidies basically. even that is going to have a difficult passage, because of how toxic things are on capitol hill. this is the heart of trump country, and so you could see a real economic blow coming if these things don't sort out well for the average farmer. >> zeke, you alluded to something i thought was interesting. the president, the white house frankly framing this with us in our conversations with you and yours i'm sure as a promise made, promise kept. here is what donald trump would say on the campaign trail when it came to what was in a frequent foil, china. >> we can't continue to allow china to rape our country, and that's what they're doing. it's the greatest theft in the
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history of the world. >> china is now saying we're not going to have completely equivalent reciprocity. that's not realistic. >> we heard stephanie articulate the notion that this was the cost of doing business for american import and exporters with china. for years you had to allow a certain amount of intellectual property, theft to take place. nobody was happy about it but the cost benefit analysis worked out in america's favor. that still might be true but the way the president thinks and what he promised to his voters the people who got him into office was that i'm taking that cost benefit analysis and throwing it out the window. >> i'm going to change the paradigm basically. zeke and abbey, stick around. we have our interview coming up with marc short, the director of legislative affairs at the white house. we'll talk tariffs with him, we'll talk the omnibus bill and going to be talking about the harsh words the president had for joe biden this morning. have you seen this? biden making some strong comments of his own. the president promising to take it to him. it's coming up, after the break.
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we are back and joining us now the white house director for legislative affairs, marc short. thanks for being back on the show on a morning where we have plenty to discuss, and let's start with the omnibus over on c capitol hill, right? tim jordan is not happy, that is not a surprise to you i'm sure but here is what the congressman said this morning about this project you've been walking on. watch. >> this may be the worst bill i have seen in my time in
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congress, the worst bill our leadership has allowed to come to the floor. it's 2200 pages that funds sanctuary cities, funds planned parenthood, restricts second amendment liberties and grows the government at a $1.3 trillion price tag which will lead to a $1 trillion deficit. >> gym jordan and mark meadows in the freedom caucus have been important for president trump on other projects, on another initiatives as well. what are you saying to the freedom caucus today given how displeased they are? >> hallie, thanks for having me back on. i think jim jordan and mark meadows and this their colleagues in the freedom caucus have been some of our greatest months in the first 15 months of the administration helping the american people. unfortunately on this particular piece of legislation the reality we face is as you know the process is, we submit our budget, congress completes appropriations process at the end of september. we've had six continuing resolutions we've threatened to shut down the government between then and now.
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we wish congress worked more effectively and completed its process, and then we could have an honest debate on the appropriations process. we like many of the bills the appropriations of the house passed. we're face with a choice of six months left in the fiscal year whether or not we want to fund our military, and provide them with the most significant increase since world war ii, provide the first significant pay increase in the last ten years to our troops, and begin to fund our border and many other priorities the administration laid forward. many of the their complaints about the process are well merited. there's many things in the bill were things the administration asked for. >> i want to ask you about the process but before i do, when you look ahead at what's going to happen today, looks like the house will probably pass it. there is a question mark in the senate specifically a question mark with senator rand paul, somebody you know and talk to. have you spoken with senator paul how he's going to vote on this? >> i have not spoken with senator paul. >> do you think he'll hold up the process like last time? . >> the real sit he's pretty
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outspoken in opposition to omnibus bills. >> do you think the government will shut down friday night? >> i think we'll be able to find a way to make sure this gets completed before friday night midnight. >> let me ask you about the process. "the washington post" is reporting, i know you and your staff have been working on this omnibus bill for weeks along with house and senate leadership and just yesterday the president weighs in to say he was not happy about this nearly finished deal. so is that how it went down and how does last-minute drama actually help you you get your job done? >> well now i think what happened is the president wanted to make sure that he and the speaker and the leader were on the same page before the bill was filed and there were several outstanding issues. >> he wasn't happy with certain parts of the bill? >> one of the concerns in the process in a normal appropriations the bill is out there for the american people. in this fashion i think there is concern about transparency. at the end of the day there are many things in this bill we've asked for that the president is
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pleased he's receiving, including funding for our military and the $1.6 billion for the wall for the next six months of 2000, this fiscal year. >> that $1.6 billion comes with a lot of strings attached when it talks about the border wall. did president trump get rolled on immigration in this bill? >> the $1.6 billion is what we asked for. keep in mind it is for six months and there are strings attached that we wish were not, but let's keep in mind -- >> secondary fencing. the idea wouldn't be a concrete wall. there's a lot there. >> in many cases the wall that they're actually putting down that they're providing the funding for is the wall that cvp asked for in many places. it is $1.6 billion for the next six months, that is what we believe that we could financially do in a sustainable manner. in more funding than that in the next six months would not have been able to be completed. it is what we asked for. additionally we ended up getting more miles and new construction than in our initial plan. >> a the love money for design and sort of preplanning part of
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it. definitively then and i have another question, is president trump happy with the immigration piece of this, with the border wall piece of this? he's totally fine, totally down, no angry tweets to come >>. >> hallie there's several things we asked for, when you say are you happy those are things we wanted to see, additional funding for i.c.e. beds and i.c.e. agents. we secured a 12% increase in dhs's budget and 10% increase in i.c.e.'s budget. there are naturally compromises you need to make when working with democrats to get a final bill. we do not have sufficient republican votes alone to pass an omnibus particularly when you need 60 votes in the united states senate. >> let me ask byou about two other major headlines, one happening in the white house there, the tariffs announcement coming out in just a little bit. we've already seen the dow drop a couple hundred points in anticipation of this announcement. this could really hurt for example farmers in red states if china retaliates.
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the very people who voted for donald trump, is that a concern for you? >> of course it's a concern, but at the same time what we've had is for decades administrations recognizing that china is stealing intellectual property in an unwillingness to do anything about it. we cannot allow them to continue to come into our country, invest in companies, steal their technology and create competitors back in china. there are interin the rules that protect intellectual property that are not upheld. the president is making to sure to protect american businesses here. >> mark zuckerberg is making a lot of headline this is morning. members of congress including some republicans want to see him come answer questions on capitol hill. does the president, does the white house also believe zuckerberg needs to face the music? >> that's a question honestly for congress and facebook more so than it is for us. >> the white house has no opinion on this data breach that happened, 50 million americans supposedly had their data
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improperly used. >> of course we're concerned but at the end of the day congress will make the request and i'm sure facebook will xloocomply w congress and if not i'm sure congress will issue subpoenas. >> will the white house support subpoenas? >> we look to make sure congress has, they manage their own processes and rules. i'm sure if it comes to a point there's not cooperation i'm sure you'll see the white house weigh in. >> the president likes social media, likes twitter. has he spoken with his staff about this facebook breach? >> he may have. he hasn't spoke within me about it. >> marc short, busy day for you. thank you for coming on the program. mark zuckerberg doing a series of interviews about what we were talking about, facebook's role in the huge data controversy. we'll talk about the mistakes he's admitting his site has made when it comes to keeping your information safe and what they're planning to do now to try to fix this. that's next.
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outcry of a very challenged young man. not long after making video he blew himself up inside his vehicle as a s.w.a.t. team tried to apprehend, not long after recording that audio. president trump taking time at joe biden over the newly released remarks the vp made earlier this week. listen. >> they asked me would i like to debate this gentleman, and i said no. if we were in high school i'd take him behind the gym and beat the hell out of him. any go who talked that way was usually the fattest, ugliest s.o.b. in the room. >> biden also said in the remarks, i shouldn't have said that. the president responded with this tweet this morning, crazy joe biden is trying to tact like a tough guy. actually he is weak both mentally and physically and yet he threatens me for the second time with physical assault, he doesn't know me but he would go down fast and hard crying all the way. don't threaten people, joe. the house expected to formerly adopt the republican report on the russia investigation. the gop released its conclusion saying it found no evidence of
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collusion between the trump campaign and russia. democrats say that was just not complete. what we won't see for a little while is the actual report that is being declassified now and probably take several weeks. the senate intel committee's own investigation continues, that is widely seen as the investigation having more credibility on capitol hill. this morning we're looking at new reaction from inside facebook. ceo mark zuckerberg finally speaking apologizing for exposure of millions of facebook users' data and answering this big question here in washington. listen. >> will you testify before congress? >> so the short answer is, i'm happy to if it's the right thing to do. so what we try to do is send the person at facebook who will have the most knowledge about what congress is trying to learn, so if that's me, then i am happy to go. >> the message from some in congress, yes, mark zuckerberg, that is you. >> in answer to mr. zuckerberg,
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you are the right person. you should come before the committee. there's no question about it. >> nbc's joli ling kent is outse facebook headquarters. you've been talking with sources at facebook who said his statement was not complete. what is the feeling inside the company this morning? >> reporter: some employees inside the company are telling me now that they feel like there needs to be more done leading up to the day, yesterday when mark zuckerberg finally made his statement. he was saying nothing and that really hurt morale inside the company, but now he's putting forth several solutions, including limiting the amount of data that is seen by third party apps, we're talking about just your name, just your profile photo and your video. they're also saying they're going to make it easy for to you deactivate or revoke third party access to your profile, and they're also going to be conducting some pretty serious audits. listen to what he said. >> we're going to do a full
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investigation into every app that had access to a large amount of data. >> do you have any scale or any scope of what you expect to find? >> we're going to review thousands of apps, so this is going to be an intensive process, but this is important. this is something that in retrospect we clearly should have done up front with cambridge analytica. we should not have trusted the certification that they gave us and we're not going to make that mistake again. >> reporter: so zuckerberg talking a lot about trust, talking about trust with third party companies, the apps that maybe you're taking a quiz on or doing all sorts of social media activity on facebook. but the other trust that he really needs to rebuild here is user trust and that's something they're trying to do today. we expect to hear from chief operating officer sheryl sandberg later this afternoon as well. >> that will be interesting. she hasn't said much, letting zuckerberg do all the interviews over the last 18 hours. jo, he's talking about what to do in the future to protect our data, everybody's data on
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facebook, but what could he do, what can facebook do to go back and make sure that that data wasn't improperly used, that's already been accessed, they cleared out or deleted that data for companies like for example cambridge analytica? >> reporter: they have to conduct forensic audits and those are expensive things to do. they have to go back and reevaluate thousands of companies and see if they can claw that back. when he was asked by "wired" magazine if he is sure that data did not end up in the hands of the russians, zuckerberg said he could not promise that, he couldn't necessarily say that for sure. >> right. jo, thanks for staying on top of this story for us. zeke and abbey are back with us as well. it's interesting what joe talks about the idea that he sometimes can't say for sure what data certain entities have. he was also asked about what i think is on a lot of people's minds here in washington, what happens in 2018, what happens in the midterm and looking back to 2016 and what happened then. here are his answers on that question. i want to play them and then talk about them with you. >> knowing what you know now, do
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you believe facebook impacted the results of the 2016 election? >> that is hard. you know, i think that it is, it's really hard for me to have a full assessment of that. you know, it's -- the reality is -- >> why? >> well, there are so many different forces at play. >> do you think that bad actors are using facebook at this moment to meddle with the u.s. midterm elections? >> i'm sure someone's trying and i'm sure that there's, you know, v2, version two of whatever the russian effort was in 2016. i'm sure they're working on that and there will be some new tactics that we need to make sure that we observe and get in front of. >> so that does not exactly inspire confidence, right? >> basically what he's saying is trust me, i'll fix it and he's not giving any specifics and the reason he's saying that is because he doesn't want congress to regulate facebook, and this guy is the most successful person of my generation, and i
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can't imagine he's been in many scenarios where he's been challenged and members of congress love nothing more than a good old-fashioned wearing and to beat him up, and in a lot of ways so much of his legacy is riding on this besides the business of facebook. makes me think of the baseball players who had to testify on steroids. it will be interesting if he comes before congress. >> he was also asked about regulation, in conversations with our show team it was an interesting response to him when asked if facebook should be regular fwlat regulated. >> why shouldn't facebook be regulated? >> i actually am not sure we shouldn't be regulated. i think the question is more what is the right regulation rather than yes or no should it be regulated >> what's the right regulation? >> well, there's some basic things that i think there's some big intellectual debates. things like ads transparency regulation that i would love to see. >> that's a big thing. ceo saying congress, we'll take
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some regulation. amy klobuchar tweeted she was surprised to hear him say he supported the senate bill on election ads and this is a new position for facebook. >> facebook had a post years ago inserted a bunch of other tech companies and that would be a reversal for facebook. we saw from mark zuckerberg in that interview a bit of a political two-step. >> is this damage control? >> clearly damage control, if the beginning they bellowed this, first statement after the election, this wasn't our, we had nothing to do with the election results and violating every rule of crisis response but here in this instance, you know, regulate us but the question is how to regulate us. the definite sill always in tvi details. it's rather the ceo in a moment of crisis. >> the lip service. hang out, more to discuss after the break including highs of high schoolers from across the country headed here to washington it's a huge call to action on school safety.
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we are live with two different groups of kids coming in from around the country. we'll talk what they hope to accomplish with the march for our lives rally this weekend.
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17 students in parkland, florida, and staff members killed. some of the activists on the cover of "time" magazine, the headline "enough." our nbc news team is talking with those students and other students making the trek. they left from parkland and kentucky. i want to start in parkland, savannah sellers, co-host of "stay tuned" on snapchat is standing by. savannah you've been speaking with some of the students coming up to d.c., right? >> reporter: good morning, hallie, that's right. we're here in front of the high school there's a half day today, class out at 12:40, a bunch of students will head there then. we're with a family packing up doing the whole drive in a rented mini van, their whole family including their grandma, the 16-hour drive and we also spoke with alleia eastman, it i her 17th birthday and she's fighting for her 17 angels and bringing something special with her. are you bringing anything special that you're going to be
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wearing or holding that's going to sort of mean something special to you with your personal experience? >> yes, my nicholas dorette win he was in my class and his birthday is the day of the march, march 24th, i want to dedicate the march to him and have that day for him. >> reporter: your particular story is -- >> different. >> reporter: and stunning. and terrifying. how often do you think about that? >> every day, because i'm the only person with this story, nobody else has it. other kids from douglas from that day all share the same things, they were running, they were in a closet, they were in the corner, but my story is different, nobody else has that. >> reporter: what she doesn't say there that is so powerful and different about her story is that she actually hid under nick's body in that classroom and played dead to stay alive, and that's the pin she'll be wearing that day. >> savannah sellers in parkland,
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florida, thank you very much. we'll be seeing you on saturday along with the rest of our team for live coverage on msnbc. back here in washington, we are watching adam schiff come out of the house intelligence committee meeting. let's listen in. >> of course we intend to hold hem to their commitment of releasing all the witness transcripts, now that they said the investigation is over and i have to go vote. >> so again, again that was congressman adam schiff, the top democrat in the house intelligence committee, talking about something that we had just teed up a couple of minutes ago, the idea that that report is now coming out. the full report on the russian investigation is still being declassified. zeke and abby, you guys know what's going on with congress here at the house intel committee. we alluded to this earlier, doesn't have a lot of credibility left. >> no, certainly not. the house committee has become, what they reported to the fisa
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investigation, the final committee report that the republicans released now the democrats are releasing a version of their own and they're public statements of rhetoric. the senate is where the real work seems to be getting done and special counsel robert mule per. both cases people, in the know on both sides have always been pretty frank saying don't pay attention to the house, look at the senate and robert mueller. >> not just the russia investigations taking up a lot of the headlines in washington. it's what we spoke about with savannah, lawmakers under pressure from kids, students, parents and grandparents coming to washington to push for more gun control basically, to push for school safety and make their voices heard. >> the most remarkable thing in this, the shooting happened between votes one day and i was at the house and i came down after the members came to are their second vote and got there, this is still breaking news and i asked them with all of this video we were seeing, if this was going to react and i asked a few democrats and they were like no, this will not change. the gun debate will not change
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and then within days it just, it radically changed. >> because of students like the ones, i want to bring in mariana is tencio, traveling with here to washington to try to do something and mariana, it seems like some of these kids know that just showing up for a march is not going to be enough, just tweeting something on social media is not going to be enough, right? >> reporter: that's absolutely right, hallie. they know that not only the country but the world is watching them. that's why i'm in a car with almost two dozen students who are making their way from kentucky to d.c. it's a ten-hour journey but they vow to keep the focus on this issue and to actually bring forth gun reform. i'm here with lucy, we were just reacting to congressmen starting to feel the pressure. what is your message as a young person to lawmakers? >> yeah, we really need to hold people accountable. it is not only our job as journalists but also as students to be watch dogs and to show them that we are watching, we are watching the moves that
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we're making and right now it's really sad that what we're watching is we're watching people in power care more about their power over doing what's right, and the government is supposed to be by the people, for the people, but right now they're not really being for the people. >> reporter: thank you so much, lucy. they are journalism students which is why she mentioned being watch dogs not only as journalism students but also as young people. hallie, back to you. >> mariana, safe travels to you here to washington. see you this weekend. all' see mariana and much more of her team on msnbc tomorrow, live updates from washington with student activists arriving for the march for our lives coverage. we'll continue saturday as this unfolds with on the ground reporting from our journalists. again, all day tomorrow and saturday, right here on msnbc. coming up, we hear a lot about the real decisions between democrats and republicans. no surprise, stereostip types a biases make it hard to have a meaningful conversation. one nonprofit group trying to bridge the gap and get both
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trillion-dollar budget bill that would keep the government open. msnbc garrett hague is on dap toll hill. this is the critical vote the one that will trigger the actua >> reporter: hallie, if this vote passes, it essentially means the big $1.3 trillion spending bill will have clear sailing through the house, and they'll kick it over to the senate. if it fails, it means we're probably looking at a vote tomorrow in the house on this bill. we know the problems that the senate can have moving quickly on things like this. the odds we trip into a government shutdown go way up. if you're watching the numbers on your screen here, the magic number is either 214 or 215 yes votes it'll take to approve the rule, this procedural step, that would allow them to vote later today on the bill. democrats either voting no or sitting on their hands on this. they want to see if republicans have the votes.
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the freedom caucus hate this bill, think it is too much money and don't get much out of it. they're voting no on this. pay no attention to the timer. leadership can keep it open as long as they want. they'll see how many republican votes they'll get. i think you'll see a horse trading process with democrats, to see if democratic votes are needed to get this done, to try to see if they can move to this today. this is the vote to watch, hallie. >> haven't the democrats voted no? >> they can also come out in 5, 10 or 30 minutes and say, i have assurances on paul ryan, and it is okay to vote yes. it is an active process. >> stand by for us. time doesn't matter. this thing can stay open as long as they need it to. we're not going to call it, obviously. it won't get called until it is gavelled, which hasn't happened step. garrett, stand by on that. yes votes, 204 at the moment. we'll keep an eye on that.
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the other story we mentioned before the break is about the divisions in this country. that's not a surprise to you. it shouldn't be. since the presidential election, we've heard more and more people are getting more and more divided. we've seen a lot on this. we've seen both sides of the political aisle play the blame game. how do we get past it? a non-profit group, better angels, may have an angel. rehema ellis caught up with the brought in indiana. she's joining us live from new york. is this realistic? how does it work? >> reporter: it is. they asked people to volunteer, and they did. they got 12 volunteers. six republicans and six democrats are willing to sit down and talk. they were guided by the better angels organizers. participants are asked to listen and try to understand each other's side, not change minds. we played like the fly on the wall and observed. often, hallie, it felt like an intensive, messy marriage counseling session that went on for seven long hours. >> we're here to seek
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understanding. >> reporter: the day began with both sides listing the negative stereotypes they think the other has about them. >> we felt the stereotypes are, racist, number one. stupid/uneducated, number two. fascist, three. anti-immigrant, four. cold, hard and uncaring, five. >> baby killers, associated with anti-religion. anti-gun. enabling takers. >> reporter: the group gathered in a different room to talk about why their policies are best for the country. >> i think the red side protects our freedom and our independence better, by being less regulated by government. >> any executives come to mind? >> well, one would be the right to bear arms. i think that we have that right. >> i think that a lot of blue policies are designed to lift everybody up so we can all be functioning well and
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contributing. >> reporter: they also voiced concerns about their own side. >> my side, i think, is far too willing to empower police and law enforcement. that's very dangerous and, frankly, i think it is un-republican. >> i think sometimes, blues tend to throw money at a problem as a solution. >> reporter: after the exercise and self-evaluation, the group gathered to discuss what they had in common. >> i think it was the military style guns. i don't know, other than law enforcement, why anybody would need to have that. you don't need, you know, an ak whatever to go shoot a deer. >> i get the sense in listening to the discussion of the reds, you know, what kept coming out to me was a sense of a deep, deep belief in fairness. >> who would like to share an action step with the whole group? dick? >> verify my facts.
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question what i'm told by the people i hold in authority. don't lie. >> do not rely on stereotypes to form an opinion. >> be civil. don't argue. put yourself in their shoes. >> reporter: at the end of the seven-hour workshop, the presumptions republicans and democrats had about each other provided an opening to move forward. >> okay. >> i think it is hard to get things done as a country if we're just trying to better ourselves over the other group and win. >> we have to take our own responsibility for the divide. >> reporter: americans, republicans and democrats, have to come into rooms together and talk to each other? >> as scary as that sounds, yes. >> reporter: they agreed to do it, hallie. the thing i found most interesting is they couldn't agree on the facts, but they pledged to try to access more unbias news sources so they could come to the truth, at least a different truth than some of them now think that they
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think is true or is the right thing. it was fascinating to see them actually listening to one another and their willingness to accept the other person's opinion. >> cool assignment. thank you for bringing that to us. i appreciate that. before we end the show, we want to head back to garrett haake on capitol hill. we have an update on the vote in the house we've been talking about. garrett, it's been gavelled. looks like this is moving on to the actual vote. >> reporter: remember how i said, don't worry about the clock? i'm going to live to regret that. what we saw here was a little bit of hardball politics like republicans. >> thanks a lot, garrett. >> reporter: i know. hang on, this is something you don't see often. i can explain it. this was the prosericeeprodn --- procederal vote. though they hadn't gotten to the 215 vote in the chamber, there
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was a majority of those who voted in favor of this. they gavelled. democrats sitting out didn't get their vote counted. it passes. >> it'll head to the senate where there will be more drama. >> reporter: yes. we're waiting on rand paul, who opposed the last big spending bill. his office is printing out page by page this 2,000 page bill. he hasn't said -- he can't stop it, but he can slow it down and force a short shutdown to try to make a point about spending. we'll see how much friday night drama we'll have maybe by the end of the day today. >> hope you don't have weekend plans. garrett haake, thanks a lot. >> once this passes, midterms begin. there will be no major regulation. >> exactly right. to the president, this is a much-passed legislation. a third shutdown would be another embarrassment. >> pressure ramping up on rand paul? >> yeah. >> you think? >> i think we'll see the white house saying, you're on my team,
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let's do it. >> mark short seemed at the top of the show that he wasn't pushing rand paul too, too hard. >> they're golf buddies. see what happens. >> thank you for joining us on the program. pleasure to have you on set on another busy thursday of news. we want to end, as we always do, with today's big picture. for it, we continue on with women's history month. all months, bringing you photos by, for and about women. in this case, girls. this is a nigerian schoolgirl carried by a military commander. she, along with dozens of others, were released by boko haram extremists on wednesday, more than a month after being kidnapped by the militant group. parents are celebrating. boko haram issued a warning, don't send your girls to school again. it is ominous. now clear how many girls the group still hold captive or how many died in their hands. the photographer for reuters. love to hear your thoughts on facebook, twitter and snapchat. i'll see you later tonight on
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mlk, the movement and the media, explain how social movements and the media influenced each other. this is awesome. saturday, 8:00 eastern on nbc news. nbc network. tune in for that. i know i will be. thanks for watching this hour of "msnbc live." i'll kick it over to my own princess, stephanie ruhle, who is back in the saddle for the next hour. >> thank you, my sister. good morning, everyone. i am back. i'm stephanie ruhle. my partner, ali velshi, on assignment. it is thursday, march 22nd. let's get you started. facebook ceo mark surg zuckerbe breaking his silence, offering an apology five days after he learned about one of the worst data breach scandals in the company's history. >> this is a major breach of trust, and i'm sorry this happened. we have a basic responsibility to protect people's data. if we can't do that, then we don't deserv

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