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continuing live coverage continues live here on what is clearly a historic day in washington, d.c. the facts you know by now but 1 million people marching down pennsylvania avenue to the white house rallying to end what they say is a scourge of gun violence. this march was organized of course by students survivors from parkland, florida. they're activism has sent this movement clearly going global today. take a look. 832 marches, including all 50 states, from atlanta to philadelphia to dallas to los angeles, new york and miami. now in parkland, florida, the site of that mass murder tragedy, 20 survivors of that school shooting speaking here in d.c. with passion and emotion today. >> everyone who has been touched by the cold grip of gun violence understands. for us long, tearful chaotic hours in the scorching afternoon sun were spent not knowing, no
one understood the extent of what happened and no one could believe there were bodies this that building waiting to be identified for over a day. no one knew that the people who were miss handgun stopped breathing long before any of us had known that a code red had been called. no one could comprehend the devastating aftermath or how far this would reach or where this would go. for those who still can't comprehend because they refuse to, i'm tell you where it went. right into the ground, six feet deep. >> the demand for action in the shadow of our nation's capital where lawmakers are clearly facing a new chapter in this pressure for change. now we did not see president trump weigh in on this today. his only tweet not ee-- even acknowledging the marches but did send a condolence to france. and here in washington the story is not silence. there was an unforgettable
moment in martin luther king granddaughter when she took the stage and said this. >> my grandfather had a dream that his four little children will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. i have a dream that enough is enough. and that this should be a gun-free world. period. >> we have coverage live from washington, including with the district representative but i want to begin with beth fooey live in san francisco. what are you seeing there. >> we're at the march part of the san francisco march. you can see all of the people coming down from the beautiful, beautiful city of san francisco. that is where the big rally was. we're not sure how many people were there. tens of thousands for sure. we heard from survivors of mass shooting and we heard from parents and the senator from
california, dianne feinstein who is the author of the assault weapons ban all of that time ago. but we're hearing from regular folks. kids and parents, signs and chanting and singing. and we also got a lot of grandparents including mel. and she's here, grannys for grandkids. >> i am. >> so tell us about your grandchildren and why you're here. >> one of my grandsons, he's -- he lives in reno, nevada, which is kind of a gun place. if you've heard. any way, he's a freshman in high school and i hope that he's proud that i am marching for him and all of the other grandchildren that aren't able to march with us right now. but know that we're thinking of them and want them to be safe. there are so many inspiring speeches today. i'm so happy i came. and i even got to shake hands with dianne feinstein. >> that is cool. she was here.
so what do you want to see happen? what is the result of the march. >> change. we can't be status quo any more. i can't imagine that congress won't do something about this. this is too big. this is too important. >> and what do you want them to do. >> i want them to ban assault guns. i want them to control the background checks. i want them -- the -- the sellers of the guns an the gun shows, i want them to be held accountable. their responsible also. for supplying guns to those that are not stable. >> it is super emotional and your grandson should be proud of you for coming out today and so thank you for talking to us. so this is one story from so many seem here in san francisco and it is a activist city where
we have people like mel who haven't been activists before but this is the issue to want to go to the streets and do a sign and take a walk, walking down market street down to the ferry building, about a mile walk from city hall and there they will stop and then sort of think about how this day went and reflect on what they want to do next. back to you. >> thank you, beth. on the ground in san francisco. live aerial shots there where it is another part of the country where we're seeing with a lot of people out in the streets at this very moment. steve patterson reporting for us live in los angeles. what is the scene there, steve? >> reporter: a historic scene on all coasts. from coast to coast. here they are tearing down the stage. could you see behind me, we sort of wrapped up the rally as it was. but the march was historic. tens of thousands of people marching all throughout downtown. they shut down the entire sector here. now sort of wrapping up.
i think it is a good opportunity to kind of reflect and have some final thoughts. giving a voice to people who might not normally have that voice. one of them is richard lindsay, you are from new jersey. but you are here in los angeles. can you tell us why you cameo - came out today. >> i came out to support the cause. it goes without saying that guns have ran rampant in our society and they -- there is too many lives that have -- that have been claimed by gun violence. >> you have your story of gun violence. you said yu grew up with it in new jersey. you're an opera singer. kind of trying to make it out here. can you tell me what your experience was like growing up. >> in southern new jersey, i could tell you many times and many people who i went to high school with who were killed due to gun violence and i remember just in my community in richmond, new jersey, where gun violence was very, very bad. i remember it many nights
here -- gunshots and some of the kids had said today, that you kind of become desensitized to it and it is unfortunate. we shouldn't have to live our lives that way. >> if so if lawmakers are watching, what is your message to them. >> listen to what people have to say. they're making their mark and one of the things that i think is most important to acknowledge is is that people from all walks of life are speaking up and speaking out about this. i saw selena gomez here. if it hasn't made a mark, it should now. this is important. we don't need guns -- we don't need massive shootings like this to continue to happen. and i think that they just need to step up. they need to change these laws to allow people to get guns -- that are killing the lives of young people and anybody really. >> thank you so much. again, they need to step up. that is something we heard echo off the buildings of los angeles today.
and throughout today as we march along. back to you. >> thank you, steve. our live coverage continues here in washington. i'm joining by congressman eleanor holmes norton who represents washington, d.c. and e.j. deon and alia eastland who is a shooting survivor and she spoke at the rally today. i will just say, usually we start with elected officials when they are in a panel. but i begin with you. because it is students who have set this tone. you lived through this. what do you want people to know. >> that it doesn't just happen in schools but in urban communities forever. >> and what did you think looking out on the crowd today? it must have been something. >> it made me extremely nervous. but it made it -- >> and were you feeling like this was the crowd you were expecting or as many people have said it is larger than expected. >> i expected that much. >> you thought this would be --
>> huge. yes. >> and how are you keeping in touch with fellow students as you go through this today. >> it is hard for me to keep in touch because my phone is always constantly ringing but they're more important to me and students from urban communities that i've gotten in touch with, they are the most important to me. so i've just been calling them and texting and making sure they are okay and we're fighting this together. >> stay with me and stay with me. congress woman, you see this leadership from students and some liken it to what we saw in the civil rights movement where young people were taking risk and young people were leading and saying don't tell us wait any more. as someone who has been an advocate for the issues for a long time, what do you see today? >> i certainly believe you should have started first. the difference is that, yes, it was young people, the student coordinating committee and i was a college student, ultimately a law student and we got three civil rights statues past. this is the difference. the movement was not really led
by snick, it was led by the big seven as they called themself. snick and core and the naacp and the rest. this is very different. a bunch of teenagers are leading us and telling us what to do and if i may say so, considering that we've had this fight for decades and not been able to move it, we are ready for new leadership. we're getting it now from our children and grandchildren. >> when you look at gun control issues in congress, if this is an issue if we are going to be real, some democrats have been for the measures and some have not and most republicans have all been against it. how do you win over a coalition to back up what is happening here on the mall? >> this is how they're going to win. they have worked up the american people. so that what you see now in the polls, which is a good chance
that the democrats will at least take back the house and maybe in the senate is the key to the change. and the congress' view on guns -- my good friends and republicans on the other side are captured by the nra. and we have seep that it is very hard to de-link them from them. i think some of them will be impressed, but they were unscared from the students. so my own prediction would be that when the congress turns over and i predict it will, the effect of today's march and -- if i may say so, the follow-up, because what is impressive is that these students are not stopping with a march. i mean, i heard one student say that he was inviting the next step to invite his member of congress to a town hall and if the member doesn't come, he's going to invite his opponent and
if that isn't sophisticated politics, i haven't heard any. >> and before i go to e.j. for you, you've been clashing with senator rubio with his own interaction in your fellow students at the town hall. because you guys disagree about gun control issues right here in this city. >> well we are at one with the students in parkland. we feel a special solidarity with them. because their senator -- senator marco rubio for the last three years has introduced a bill to take away each and every gun law in the district of columbia. and we have tough gun laws. and look at why he did it. in a -- in a deep act of cynicism in minutes after he put that bill in, the nra raised his rating from a b-plus to an "a"
so he gets a payoff every time he puts that bill -- and i hope you carry that back to florida so he does not get away with not only supporting you with strong gun laws, but intruding in the self government of the district of columbia and trying to take away our gun laws. we have blocked him. if we have blocked him then i'm sure you can stop him. >> well that is -- that is an interesting colloquy about that organizing. and e.j., the premise of the congress woman's statement is that marco rubio wans a better nra rating. how do you change the politics of that. >> i was so struck by what happened today in three respects. one an incredible seriousness. that amma gonzalez speech reminded us of why we were here. that long silence, the names of every student. but there was also a -- almost a joy in solidarity in that crowd.
i was out in the crowd all day and there was a real sense that we're not going anywhere until something happens and you really felt that out there. but there was a third piece that i think makes a big difference. which is it was very political in the best sense of political. that is to say we're not here for the short run, we're here for the long haul. practically every 20 feet as you went down the march line there was someone with a clip board saying register to vote. the most -- one of the most popular chants all day long was vote them out. so that unlike a lot of -- a lot of times movements sort of say, well we're about a movement, not about politics. and here you saw a clear link being made that if we want this outcome and the demands were very, very clear, then we need to engage in actual electoral politics and as i said, you felt that all along that parade route. >> and as we're speaking, we're stilling look at the live pictures here. this is live in san francisco,
california. one of the places in the country where the march looks just gigantic and it is just a huge part of the gathering in that city. they're zeroing in on a different part but in the streets you see a lot of people. congress woman, how much of this then turns to understanding the difference between people who come from households that own guns, which is about half of voting households, and the much, much smaller sliver of the gun industry and what you might call assault rifle enthusiasts who seem to have taken over this movement. because you and others have said in the congress, you can protect the second amendment and protect hunting and fishing and self-defense and still deal with this. how do you cleave that? because as someone who followed these issues in the last couple of weeks, a lot more attention to that than the typical way this issues describe.
>> i think we can get them. because the polls show they have background checks for example. they are for no assault weapons. here is why we lose and they've won in the congress. they're members vote guns and only guns. our people vote all kinds of issues. now i hate to say this, because i don't like voting only one issue but i think we've come to the point when it comes to gun safety legislation that if people don't think guns first, when they go to the polls, we may not make it. >> you want that to be a litmus test in your party. >> i do. i think we've got to equal the nra with saying what comes first with you. and we have a lot of stuff going on here. but what could be more important than saving the lives of kids? so i think given the fact that
even their own nra base believes that they have nothing wrong with background checks and by the way, that is one of the issues -- one of the critiques of the rally. because this was a rally that let stories be told and let us all understand the issue. a lot of people came away without understanding what people like me should do in the congress of the united states. background checks for example. or i would have loved to have heard some youngsters say keep people like me from getting guns atle is until i'm 21. >> i'm going to fit in a break. it is part of our -- 17 minutes straight live coverage. i wanted to ask you before we go, the hardest question. are you ready for the hardest question? >> yes. >> what is next? >> keep talking about it. don't stop talking about it until it is fixed. and we're not going to stop. and you're going to continue to hear about it until it is fixed. >> you and your students -- and
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we're back covering march for our lives here in washington where the rally has concluded. people still moving around the city and across the country, we're seeing marches and rallies continue. beth fooey is live for us in san francisco. where the march is going full steam. what are you seeing, beth? >> reporter: it is going full steam. even though it is getting into the evening hours on the east coast, we're middle of the afternoon here in san francisco. it is a beautiful day and people are marching, heading down to the embarcadero, the water front in san francisco a mile down the road. they were at a rally at city hall for an hour and then they took to the streets. this is a lot more people than we realized that were here because they stretched beyond city hall park where we stopped an watch the speakers. so we're heading down to the embarcadero and i brought a few people marching with us. cory and harvey and betty. and they are all up here from
marin county which is north of san francisco. and they're here because they're really passionate about this issue. i'll go to you, cory, what brought you. >> when you think about the fact that we had one shoe bomber and we're all still -- taking our shoes off at the airport, what with we doing about gun violence. thousands have been injured and killed and we haven't been doing enough so i'm here to add my support for action now. >> and betty, you said it was for the kids. >> i'm so inspired by the kids. the leadership, the multi cultureism and the kids are -- are articulate and i'm happy and inspired by them. i feel like i'm following in their lead today. >> and what but, harvey? i'll get out of your way. >> these brave -- brave young people that are doing what we have failed to do. >> and what is your goal? what do you want to see happen?
>> i want to see at the very least some action against assault weapons. just not see the value or the reason for common people to have those. nonmilitary folks among many others. >> common sense gun control. >> and that is the last word. you'll get. it back to you. we're going to keep on this march right and talk to you in a little while. >> my thanks to you. earlier today an 11-year-old delivered an emotional speech. >> i represent the african-american women who are victims of gun violence who are simply statistics instead of vibrant beautiful girls full of potential. for far too long, these names and black girls an women have been just numbers and i'm here to say never again for those girls too. >> that is part of what i want to talk about with my next
guest. in november 2012 lucia mcbeth's son, jordan davis was shot and killed at -- at a gas station in jacksonville, florida, there was a discussion about loud music and the shooter was sentenced to life without parole and since then mcbath has been fighting for reform of gun law and a national spokesperson for moms demand action and as we talk about what congress should do, she is running for georgia's six nl district as a democrat. she's here because she marched and spoke at a vigil for victims and survivors last night. joining me now is miss mcbeth. thank you for being here. >> thank you for having me. >> you were living your life and you were met with this family tragedy? >> yes. >> and you have thrown yourself into activism and into becoming a politician which to many people is a dirty word. before we get to the marches and your views on that today, tell
us about how you got here. why you're doing this. >> well i'm here today because i want to support the students as they are sending a very clear and strong message to our legislators and to the white house. that their lives matter. that all of our lives matter. and i -- what i liken to what they are doing is no different than what we did in the civil rights movement. the students that sat at the lunch counter and the students that were fighting against the -- against the vietnam war. so they're fight today is no different, it is just the modern day civil rights movement that they're engaged in and i want to support them in any way i k. they are deserve our support. >> what did you think of the intersection here in today's programming between the idea of gun control in general, gun control in the schools, which came out of parkland and the specific and arguably more complex situation of racial violence in america? >> well i've always said that
when we are talking about gun violence, you can never, ever ignore the fact that -- and as children talked about today, the fact that all of these issues and problem that we have such as poverty, mass incarceration and children don't have education, these are the underlying problems that cause gun violence. so you can't have one without the other. so the fact that the students were actually talking about it today and identifying it, it is huge that they really understand the implications of these societal issues that promote gun violence and that is the reason why they want all of this addressed because they understand -- they completely understand that what -- that without addressing those issues we'll never stop the gun violence. >> it seems that watching children get shot down and murdered has moved some americans into a way different than watching adults. and that itself can be somewhat odd because most people's teachings and ethics are a
murder -- the taking of an innocent life is each time as horrific as the next and as unethical and as immoral. >> right. >> but again speaking to you about your experience, what is it about the fact that the more we see it with children, and sometimes the younger the children, the more we're called back to really wreck on with what is happening in our country. >> because they're our future. without protecting our children and without making their able to thrive and grow in this country the way the constitution said they are supposed to, we have no future. and that identifies -- how are we to identify who we are morally and ethically if we don't preserve the lives of our own children. where does that make us as a nation? and so if we're going to call ourselves one nation under god, and we're not about the business of preserving human life, the lives of the very children that
we are birthing, then we're no better than any -- any others war torn nation that has these kinds of civil discourse where the children are dying there as well. >> thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> and interesting to see your journey. in life people talk about you can't choose what happens to you so you choose what you do about what happens. >> exactly. >> so having watched your story, it is very -- i think it inspires people and thank you for being here. >> thank you so much. >> what we're going to do is fit in a break but we have more coverage from around the globe coming up. and how will lawmakers act and what did donald trump do today? the stars coming out in a show of support and we'll show you what the pressure means if the nra becomes as some of the advocates wanted today, increasingly isolated. ♪ ♪
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this is normal. normal to the point that i've learned to duck from bullets before i learn how to read. >> just some of what we heard today during the march in washington. i want to turn to my colleague trymaine lee covering the march today. and john rosenthal, chairman of stop handgun violence a nonprofit trying to prevent firearms violence. what does this mean to you today? >> well it is -- i think it is significant that this new student-led movement is making such a difference so quickly. and including with gun sellers and dealers. vol untearily doing what congress should be requiring them to do and if this movement is sustained and these kids continue, it will be like the civil rights movement, the war in vietnam ending and divesture for south africa and student behavior that changes laws.
>> can you opponent to something specific that they are doing that is different in what legacy and organizations like you are doing. >> they are standing up, they refuse to be intimidated by spineless members of congress and the nra. i've been at this thing as a gun owner and a business person for 25 years. and i have made massachusetts the leader in gun violence prevention. we're an urban state with the lowest gun death rate in the nation and we've reduced it by 40% without banning anything except military style assault weapons a common denominator in the mass shootings and we require gun owners and dealers and manufacturers and to be licensed through a local police chief and as a result the majority of gun violence is handgun violence that has been reduced because of licensing and discretion by police chiefs and the majority or really all of the mass shootings with are the military style weapons which are
banned in ma-- in massachusetts. but outside of massachusetts, congress refused to act. but every single state with tougher gun laws have lower gun crimes. it happens with guns purchased out of state with maine and new hampshire -- >> and the facts that you are unloadi unloading are important because they say it couldn't work and it doesn't work and there is lab -- laboratories and around the world to rebut that. trymaine, you've been covering this story in because you were out in communities dealing with voils -- violence and protests and the gun control debate. i wan to play this for your analysis. >> being able to come together in this venue is important as a nation. because we can come together and fight in unison. >> and we'll tell them we are not going to go through this and
experience what they want to share with us any longer. >> well certainly ari is impressive by the sheer number of young people that have come to stand up and demand reform. but there is a sophistication around language they've been using and also in terms of kektsing the dots -- connecting the dots between people victimized in mass shootings and also every day urban gun violence. i met with a family yesterday who -- there is one brother who lost his twin to gun violence. he was murdered on the streets of d.c. during a botched robbery. i wanted to be sure to stand up in the spirit of his brother and say enough is enough to walk happened in hand with the students. we have a lot of attention because you have the very articulate and mostly white students standing up and demanding reform. but they are pulling in other voices. we always tend to mute the voices of those that experience is every single day. to see these two come together in ways that previous generations would not have ever
done, we're seeing young people lead the way. >> it is fascinating. and it touches on something that you and i have covered over years which is there is a fake attack, you hear sometimes in urban areas like chicago and people say, well is there a concern about black on black crime in chicago and the answer is yes. >> people who say that have never spent any time in the black community where you see kind of the memorial sprouting from the ground every other corner and people fighting to save one life at a time. handgun violence and in illinois and chicago and the law are so tough and you are surrounded like other communities like indiana and walk out with a gun. and people are not unaware of what is happening around them and for the young people to stand up and say enough is enough and we recognize what is happening policy wise and we will be voters soon, that is amazing. >> and that is something that i notice is a question of whether that -- that coalition building that comes out of a big moment like today, does that bill or do those people as one student said in this hour, we're going to
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these politicians will tip to be owned by the nra. you must hold your elected officials responsible because what they are doing is trying to make it seem like they've done something when in reality they haven't even gotten started and we have. >> at the center of today's march for our lives here in washington is the nra and the lobbying power over both parties. since 1998le nra has spent $45 million and today protesters are making their voices heard. [ chanting ] >> the nra doesn't just lobby for what congress does, it also tried to hamstring the very federal agency that is actually
lawfully in charge of regulating guns and related issue, the atf. new york times reported the nra has lobbied against the atf nominated directors and restricted the money for that agency and kneecaped the power to do something that everyone thinks it supposed to do which is track gun crimes. the atf is down to just 800 investigators. joining me now is dave chipman and joseph vince. both have worked as atf special agents and now work on gun control and safety issues. thank you to both of you. >> nice to be here. >> why should the nra, which is a private interest group, have any sway over who runs the atf. >> because they contribute to the people making the decisions on how atf is funded. atf is a federal organization concerned about gun laws in the united states and smaller than the broward county sheriff's department.
we were atf special agents and there are only 2,600 and that you fewer than d.c. police officers. so with over 300 million guns and in america and the crime we're having, i think the public needs to question why we spend $1.2 billion a year at atf when an aircraft carrier cost $1 billion. >> it is like letting el chapo decide who is running the dea. >> absolutely right. and what is happening as well -- and i'm inspired by these children today and i teach at mt. saint mary's university so i'm inspired but at 11 to have that poise, but they are facing a gauntlet of money that the nra willpower in because it is a threat to them and that is how they make the money. they make to the money to give to the politicians to give to themselves and they're adopting force. >> when you look at this, a lot of people think of the nra as lobbying congress and the fight over the assault weapons ban. what does it say to you that
this is an organization that wraps itself in the constitution and talks about american history and law enforcement type stuff but as we just showed, it seems to be actually working against -- as i understand it -- you guys were law enforcement. >> look, the real patriots we saw today. they were kids on this stage. and i'm sick and tired of the nra trying to wrap their selves in the flag of the united states. the reality is every day our job was harder, preventing gun violence because of this organization. and we have to ask why they're doing it and why they're doing it is if we have a safe country, we would not need or people would not feel like they have to have a gun to be safe. and so to have a dangerous society where we are all at risk, people through fear think they have to have a gun. it makes their bottom line work and the kids today are calling it out. and you know what, they've created space for me to even speak more directly about what
is going on and i'm proud of them. >> you feel that the way the kids have taken this on is creating more political oxygen or room for you? >> look, for 25 years as an agent, hi to keep my mouth shut about the realities i saw every day. and now here i'm being invited here and i get to work for gabby giffords an mark kelly and working with peers of mine and we're speaking truth to power and yeah, these kids have called us all out to say, hey, time with being nice and careful, speak truth and speak it real and i think that is what we saw today and i'm fired up by these kids and i'll continue to listen to what they are saying and support them any way i can. >> and it is very interesting coming from you given the track record you have. dave chipman and joseph vince at the march here today in washington. thank you. up next we'll talk about the politics and the effect of the marches today. more and more people are finding themselves in a chevrolet for the first time.
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old, same old. they want change and they have the energy -- >> they're teaching us. i'm not giving them a message. they're giving us a message. >> i'm joined by jason johnson, and julianne ebb steen who worked for democrats in the congress. and that is why i want to start. there was a time when democrats were for actual big gun control. then it narrowed to democrats talking about little measures. background checks and bump stocks. with today's march, we seem to be hearing more about all of the way. going all the way and back to assault weapons ban and bigger arguments. >> i think that is right. in 1998 i remember sitting with president clinton in the oval office after columbine and clinton said, i could go to new hampshire and in the middle of hunting season and i could persuade most of the hunters that we need more gun laws in this country. why can't i persuade voters. similarly after sandy hook,
sitting in the roosevelt room with president obama, president obama expressing the same frustration. the reason was because while most voters support common sense gun reform, they don't vote on it. and i think what was happening today is that millennials and generation zers will say we are voting on this and laser focus and guns are doing much more harm than good. democrats to your question have walked the walk and many didn't talk -- they talk the talk but didn't walk the walk. remember '98 after columbine trying to get major reform passed and even leadership were talking the caulk and not walking the walk. once democrats and anybody on the doll of the nra or taking this kind of blood money from the nra starts to see their seat may be at risk and i think you'll see major change and the conversation will move on from assault weapons and background checks. things are important. but they are not going to solve the problem of 90 deaths a day. the equivalent of a jumbo jet
airliner going down every day and they won't solve the problem until we do mores -- more serios rear fo -- reform and i think we got the telegram on this one. >> i'm amazed by the discipline. and we didn't see people going off in different directions and if this movement can maintain that messth over the fall and over summer break and if they maintain this passion this fall if an a-plus nra rating is a scarlet letter when you are running this fall, that will end up making a difference and i think this resonated it because is start -- it started in florida. if this was a blue state you wouldn't see that much attention. >> which may be an apt political observation and also messed up. >> yes. unfortunately that is the concern from people. but again, if they stay with this, i think we're going to end up seeing change. >> most interestingly, the three most important words that were spoken today was vote them out.
vote them out. if you are doing the bidding of the nra, and all of the double talking of the nra. they will vote you out. and a number of -- of students were interviewed on this network today and they with asked about the minor changes that were in the spending bill that was passion passion -- passed in congress yesterday. we have some -- the bump stocks and more guards to a school to a tee the students said we won't be bought off with the silly political cover meaningless gestures. we want real reform. so i think we'll start to see things -- the discussion going past assault weapons to much more serious reform like other countries. >> and i have to take in a break but this is a serious day on a lighter note it is nice to see you out in your natural habitat. i learned that you were a natural dad and i didn't know
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i'mary mel bur and giving you the live coverage as the march in washington is wrapping up and there is still a lot going on in the country and chris matthews is taking over next and i'll be back as our live coverage continues. chris imagine you'v -- chris matthews is up next. >> voice of america, let's play "hardball." >> good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington it was here today that an estimated 800,000 people, decented on the our nation's capitol for the rally inspired by the families and students of marjory stoneman douglas high school in parkland, florida, this is an emotional high point in the contentious debate over gun safety. i experienced it myself today in the hours i spent