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video that wraps up this hour of "msnbc live." my good friend katy tur joins me now. >> it is wonderful to see you on a monday, my friend. it's brightening my whole monday. >> wow. ladies and gentlemen, special. >> we like each other here. amon, appreciate it. it is 11:00 a.m. out west and 2:00 p.m. in washington where we'll hear from the white house for the first time since the most anticipated prime time interview in recent history. spoiler alert, it was not with president trump. adult film star stormy daniels astound exclusively with "60 minutes" and detailed her claims of a brief affair with the man who is now president. she shared also the moment she said she was physically threatened to stay silent about the story. >> i was in a parking lot going
to a fitness class with my infant daughter. i was taking the seats facing backwards, and a guy walked up on me and said to me, leave trump alone. forget the story. and then he leaned around and looked at my my daughter and said, a beautiful little girl, it would be a shame if something happened to her mom, and then he was gone. >> you took it as a direct threat? >> absolutely. >> that parking lot threat alone is potentially criminal, and while she did not say it was cohen who threatened her, michael cohen's lawyer has sent a cease and letter. michael cohen says he paid daniels $130,000 he claims he did it on behalf of his client, then-candidate donald trump without his knowledge.
he alleges he was never even paid back by trump or the organization. these do nothing to quiet watchdog groups who say the monetary exchange could amount to an illegal contribution, while cohen insist he and he alone reached a deal with daniels, nbc news broke that cohen used his trump organization e-mail account to make those arrangements. in the last interview last night, it was revealed -- the daniels drama drew comparisons to john edwards. it was revealed that campaign donations were used to conceal his mistress from voters. he was not convicted. her attorney michael avenatti says he intends to follow the money. >> we'll get to the bottom of what happened here relating to the agreement, what mr. trump
knew, and where this money came from. >> so the big we are asking today is, if donald trump's attorney broke the law, what sort of legal jeopardy could that put the president in? while we wait for the white house briefing, let's get to our team of reporters. joining me from the white house briefing room is kristen welker, david broady, and jonathan lemire, white house reporter for the associated press and political analyst for msnbc. the president always brags about being a counterpuncher, willing to get down and dirty, get in the mud with anyone who might say anything negative about him. it is striking he's been silent on this interview from your reporting from the conversations that you are having, what is your sense of why we have not heard anything from him at all? >> there's some speculation helping me be trying to sort of tweak the media, but you're right, katy, there's no doubt that it's striking that we
haven't heard from the president. we did get this broad tweet today about fake news. let me read that. so much fake news, never been more volunteernous or minous. leaving up to his deputy prince press secretary raj shah to give official response in the wake of that interview last night with stormy daniels. we anticipate shah will come to the podium. it's important to note that the white house as consistently denied the allegations, and, of course, this was an issue during the campaign when those allegations were denied as well. but this is yet another cloud that's been looming over this administration. a lot of questions about whether the president, the first lady watched the interview last night. no response to that yet, but i can tell you a spokesperson for the first lady said she's enjoying her time in mar-a-lago, focused on a little bit of spring break, and looking to future projects, katy. >> john, the "times" is
reporting that michael cohen had dinner with donald trump over the weekend. i've been talking to people lately who want to claim over and over again that michael cohen no longer has any access to the president, nobody talks about him, he never talks to him actual. seems like if he's having dinner with the president over the weekend that those claims are unfounded. >> first, sarah huckabee sanders picked a good day to be off. michael cohen claims defy credulity. the fact that he had dinner with the president on the eve of the stormy daniels interview, one that's been anticipated for days if not weeks, raises a lot of questions. that's a startling coincidence if that's all it was. speculation of they are trying to get their story straight. cohen said he's done this on his
own volition, so on, so on, which, of course, most lawyers believe is just two farfetched to be believed. >> there's also from stormy daniels not just that physical threat which we played up top, but also the other threats that she says she has faced, the reason why she signed documents saying that she did not have an affair even though she is saying that she did have an affair. take a listen to the other thing she told anderson cooper. >> you signed and released a statement that said i'm not denying this affair because i was paid in hush money, i'm denying it because it never happened. that's a lie? >> yes. >> if it was untruthful, why did you sign it? >> because they made it sound like i had no choice. >> no one was putting a gun to your head? >> no physical violence. >> you thought there would be legal repercussion if you didn't sign it?
>> the exact sentence was they can make your life hell in many different ways. >> they being? >> i'm not exactly sure who they were. i believe it been michael cohen. >> cohen is denying all of this, but what's at heart here, that donald trump had an affair with a woman, or that donald trump and his team may be trying to silence her in aggressive ways? >> i think the second part of that is far more important. donald trump has boasted about having affairs, not while he was married to melania trump, but predating that. that's not the story here. i don't think many people will be surprised at the idea that donald trump would have an affair. it's the idea of a threat, the moment in the parking lot pertains to physical violence, but more here. trump and cohen are veriy lit - i've never seen anything from donald trump.
he claims not to use e-mail, as we know. but certainly they suggest they will tie you up in court for months if not years, and they can outlast year. ms. daniels has said she can't go bank account to bank account. >> how is this playing with christian voters? >> look, that end donald trump was not a boy scout when they went to the polls and "n" record numbers for him. so this doesn't change the needle at all, katy. it really doesn't. i know that might be really hard for a lot of folks to swallow, but the truth of the matter is, look what happened with bill clinton back in the '90s. we knew about way knee at a broderick and paula jones. americans voted for clinton anyhow. same thing with trump. let's see mike huckabee was president, mike pence, guys with these stellar christian reputations and this came out, obviously a whole different ball
game. different with donald trump. i'm not saying it's right. >> that's fine. what about the legal aspects of it, the hush money and that side of it? maybe not the affairs because that was baked in, that character aspect was already there. but what about the legal aspect to evangelical voters? >> evangelicals along with the rest of this country are waiting to see more of the details and then we'll find out from there. i will say this. the media has a credibility problem in the eyes of evangelicals, and so if it's just going to be stormy daniels coming out and talking to anderson cooper about this and we don't have any more concrete details, evangelicals will say, look, fake news, fake news. as much as donald trump used that term, let's be clear about the term fake news. evangelicals have been saying air quote fake news for a long time. >> got it. thank you very much. we appreciate it. as you can see raj shah has taken the podium. we'll go to him as soon as questions begin. let's go to our legal panel.
nancy erica smith, and katie fang, an attorney and msnbc legal analyst. ladies, thank you so much for being here. nancy, you're new to us, so i'll start with you. michael cohen using the trump organization e-mail and the address. how does that factor into the legal jeopardy that the president himself could face? >> it definitely shows that michael cohen was act on behalf of the president. who does pro bono legal work and play pro bono settlements for a billionaire? >> he's a very loyal person. he loves donald trump and would do anything for him. does that count at all? >> no, it doesn't because money is not helping him. taking a bullet for him, yes, absolutely. but donald trump has money. so it's not unbelievable that he needed michael cohen's money. the other thing is it's not believable this is all made up because there's a fake name built into the agreement, and
because there's a provision in the agreement that mr. avenatti told us about yesterday about giving evidence back. what evidence? they say there is no evidence. why are they making this woman talk about pressure, first me make you be silent. this is a constant problem with ndas, then they tell you you have to give the evidence back, and then they tell you you have to lie. and i can tell you, this is not the first agreement i've seen like this. this is what women are forced to do in order not to go to war with people who have a lot of power, a lot of money, a lot of legal power. >> more resources than they do. katy, a lot of comparisons are being made to john edwards in this payment and potential violation of campaign finance law. if that comparison is legitimate, what sort of consequences could donald trump, who is the president of the united states, face? >> the critical difference between the trump analyses and that of john edwards is the timing.
furl, the $130,000 payment was done literally on the eve of the -- >> katy, i don't want to interrupt you, but raj shah is taking questions. >> leaving the white house and president specified confidence in his attorneys. and then there was a bit of a shakeup last week. can you speak to the white house's credibility, why should we in this room and the american people trust anything this administration is telling them? >> well, our job as a press office and as an administration so to giving you the best information we have availability to us, most accurate information in a timely fashion. sometimes the dynamics are fluid in any given situation. you mentioned personnel matters, facts and circumstances changed. we continue to give you guys the best information that we can as quickly as possible. >> just on the stormy daniels interview. could you state categorically that the president is campaigning and the trump
organization did not violent federal election law regarding that payment? >> i can speak if sonly for the white house. white house didn't engage in any wrong doing. the campaign or mr. cohen -- yeah. the campaign or mr. cohen can address anything with respect to their actions. with respect to that interview, i will say the president strongly, clearly, and has consistently denied these underlying clachltz the only person who's been inconsistent is the one making the claims. >> raj, regarding the russia actions announced earlier today, the president has not personally said anything about the expulsion of the 60 diplomats. in his phone call last week with president putin, he decided not to confront putin on the attack despite the advice he was given by his national security advisers and he went on to congratulate putin. how to square the action with an entirely different approach from
the president? >> i think, you know, those statements coming from the press secretary on this, and the last sentence basically outlawed our approach, which is our relationship with russia is, frankly, up to the russian government and up to vladimir putin and others in senior leadership in russia. we want to have a cooperative relationship. the president wants to work with russia. but their actions sometimes don't allow that to happen. the poisoning in the u.k. that has led to today's announcement was a very brazen action. it endangered two individuals but many innocent civilians. this is not the type of conduct that the united states, ever or allies can accept, but the president remains open to working with the russians in areas of mutual concern. counterterrorism and others. that's really up to the russians to decide. >> if the president believes it was a brazen action, why did he not say so to putin directly
when he spoke with him and he had the opportunity to do that? >> he raised a number of issues and we did secure with putin on that call some positive interaction when it comes to nuclear arms. so there's certainly positive developments from that call and the president will continue diplomacy with russia and putin. but this action by the president is very clear. we're very heartened that it comes in conjunction with over a dozen allies both in nato and the eu. >> thank you, raj. you mentioned it was brazen and reckless. does than attack on the soil of a valued ally rise to the level of an act of war? >> we've been joined at the hip with u.k. on this matter. we stand firmly with our ally. again, i'll classify this action as both brazen and reckless and
is you don't want to get ahead of the anything the president may or may not have announced. >> you mentioned that the president continues to maintain his consistent story that he did not do what has been alleged by ms. daniels. did he by chance watch the interview last night? did you ask him about that? >> i'm not going to get into what the president may or may not have seen. he's consistently denied these allegations. kristin. >> thank you, was the president aware of a physical threat against ms. daniels when she was with her daughter in 2011. >> the president doesn't believe any of the claims that mrs. daniels made last night in the interview are accurate. >> he doesn't believe she was threatened? >> no, he does not. >> what's his basis for that, raj? >> he just doesn't believe that -- there's nothing to corroborate her claim. >> did he have dinner with michael cohen at mar-a-lago on saturday. >> yeah i believe he did.
i don't have any additional information. >> her claims made in the tv interview- >> i'm not going to get into what he saw. there's clips of it playing in the morning news shows. he's denied the accusations that she made last night, and has been consistent in doing so. she has not. >> on the expulgsz, three weeks passed between the attacks and the expulsions. what took so long? >> actions like this take time and we coordinated with a dozen allies who wanted this to be a joint effort in which the united states is joining both the european union and nato allies. >> and a spokeswoman for the russian foreign minister and threatening retaliation. your response to that? >> we want to work with russia, but this type of an action cannot be tolerated. the united states is responding to russia's action, brazen and reckless, as i called it. this is a u.s. response. we want to work with russia. the ball's in their court with
respect to how they want to respond. jim? >> if you listen to national security experts, diplomatic experts on what happened with russia, they will say that you have to hit russia where it hurts, you have to sanction them economically, you have to go after putin's cronies, you have to go after putin himself potentially. would this president consider sanctioning vladimir putin or his cronies to push him and the russian government for what happened in the u.k., and also for meddling in the 2016 election? >> the united states has issued sanctions on key russian oligarchs in response to the meddling in the 2016 election. >> what about putin? >> i wouldn't close any doors or preclude potential action, but the president doesn't telegraph his moves. >> this weekend there was a massive march here in washington led by the from parkland, florida. the president didn't tweet about it or said anything about this. what is the white house's response to this? are the actions that the
president signed into law last week strengthening some of the background checks? is that the end of it? is the president going to do anything like more on the gun safety issue? and what about that question he asked of the republican lawmakers here, are you afraid of nra? >> the president respects everyone's first amendment right. he signed $2 billion into school safety. he filed the stop school violence act, and the fix knicks bill, the background check portion you mentioned. also on friday the department of justice announced a new rule that banned the sale of bump stock devices. the president is a strong believer in the second
amendment. he's mentioning hardening schools. this wednesday the school safety commission that is shared by secretary devos will be meeting for the first time. and we hope ideas can come from that. >> can you talk about david shulkin? is he going to be fired face to face or via media or twitter? >> i have no personnel announcements to make at this point. >> can you explain, raj, why it's been the president's practice to offer compensation to people to keep them silent? why would he do that? >> i would have michael cohen address any specifics regarding this agreement that you're referring to, but false charges are settled out of court all the time, and this is nothing outside the ordinary. >> why would in this case $130,000 be paid to a woman in the days before the election?
you're saying that she made false claims, but why then would $130,000 be paid to her? >> false charges are settled out of court all the time. you have to ask michael cohen about the specifics. >> does the president have intention of responding directly himself? you said he denies the claims. >> that will be up to the president. >> on north korea, bloomberg reported that kim jong-un is in china right now. does the white house see that as talks between president trump and kim jong-un? and has china offered to host that summit? >> we can't confirm those reports. we don't know if they're necessarily true. what i'll just state, though, is that where we are with north korea is in a better place than we used to be because the president's maximum pressure campaign in conjunction with dozens of countries around the world has paid dividends and brought the north koreans to the table. so we're looking forward to a potential summit some months in
advance. >> on shulkin, does the white house believe the veterans best served by having him as secretary of? >> i have to personnel announcements. >> how much longer should the secretary expect to work in the administration? >> i have no personnel announcements. >> the israeli press is reporting that prime minister netanyahu has begun informing french and german foreign ministers that the u.s. is very likely to pull out of the iran deal in may. can you confirm that? >> i can't confirm that. president's been clear since january. that goes back years. he thinks it's one of the worst agreements the united states has ever made internationally. and he is insistn't on changes at the congressional level and our european partners. if changes aren't made the president is prepared to potentially withdraw from the
agreement. jon? >> thanks. in light of these announced expulsions of the 60 russian intelligence agents, is the president still going full steam ahead in meeting with russian president vladimir putin? >> again, we have no announcements on a potential meeting or any kind of summit. >> you still want to do it, right? >> we want to work with russia. we have areas of mutual concern that we can work with them. i mentioned counterterrorism. there's general global stability and other matters. we want to work with russia, but the ball's in their court. it is up to them on whether we'll have a fruitful relationship or an ad ver sailor relationship. >> the meeting with the president after they've done what the u.s. says they've done. they've poisoned a former russian spy on british soil, and you've punished them for it, why at this point also give them this gift of meeting with the
president of the united states? >> gwen, there's no meeting to announce. jordan? >> thanks. treasure secretary mnuchin said there might be some workaround for a supreme court ruling that said line item vetoes are unconstitutional. what is that workaround and is that something that the white house is aggressively pursuing? >> the president outlawed on friday why he was very frustrated with the legislation he was given. it was a massive spending bill handed to him at the 11th hour. they haven't had individual spending bills for over two decades, so this omni bus process, the president wants to reform. he's talked about tending filibuster, he's talked about a line item veto. it has to pass constitutional muster, but he wants to fix the budget process. his message to congress if
something similar happens again, he's more inclined to veto it. >> have you been able to find a workaround to that supreme court ruling that says it's unconstitutional? >> there are things to being discussed. i don't want to get ahead of anything we may come out in favor of. >> thank you, raj. two questions. first, last week senator bra b.a. ras so, the republican whip made a strong speech in which he denounced as mark short did the necessity to use culture on all appointments. and he called for a new agreement similar to the bipartisan agreement senator schumer had with republicans in 2013 allowing several votes on domination to come up and not requiring the culture so much. have you talked to the senator about this or is the president talking to him, and is that something the administration
endorses? >> i'm not aware i forget a conversation. i haven't spoken to him. i would generally agree with the concept, but not having seen details. >> egypt is having an election this week and all signs the president will be laerkd without opposition. does the president plan to call him? >> i don't have any call plans to read out to you. tray? >> thanks, raj. the president spoke with russian president vladimir putin last week. today we saw this major action by the united states to expel these 60 diplomats and close the consulate in seattle. why did the president not bring up this poisoning of a former russian spy with president putin when he spoke with him on the phone? >> as i mentioned earlier, the president did discuss a range of issues with vladimir putin. but he's addressed this matter publicly and repeatedly and addressed it after he spoke with prime minister may. he addressed it in a quad statement. with this action right now.
so the president made his position and the country's position pretty clear. >> can i ask you about the shul din, i'm not looking for a personnel announcement, but how would you describe the relationship between president trump and va secretary shulkin? >> i haven't asked him directly today so i don't want to comment specifically. >> the only person who's been consistent is the one making these claims is stormy daniels, you said. what has she said that's inconsistent? >> my understanding is that he signed some statements that conflict with what she said last night. >> there have been a cascade of expulsion announcements today, some 130 diplomats across 18 countries. what was the u.s. role in this and can you tell us more about the president's role in what looks like a coordinated effort? >> this was a coordinated effort, and the president spoke with many foreign leaders, our
european allies and others and encouraged them to join the united states in this announcement. we think that this is not just an important message to send to the russian government, but it's also, you know, significant and degrading their intelligence capabilities. >> the president came out about the importance law enforcement play in this country. has he commented at all about the shooting death of stephon clark? he was unarmed, shot by a police officer, a lot of protests happening across country as a result. >> i'm not aware of any comments he has. i haven't asked him about that directly. obviously, the president cares about at any individual who would be harmed through no fault of their own. i don't know the spichgs in that case and i don't want to comment any further. thanks, folks. >> transgender ban -- >> raj shah ending today's
monday afternoon briefing. sarah huckabee sanders is off. he was asked about stormy daniels and would not confirm or deny if the president watched the "60 minutes" interview but did say the president said much of her story was false. he also confirmed that donald trump's personal attorney, michael cohen, was did have dinner with the president at mar-a-lago over the weekend on saturday. also of note there, the conversation the president had with vladimir putin last week where he congratulated him on his election victory is coming up again today because this administration has now expelled a number of russian diplomats because of the spy poisoning in the u.k. the question was asked of raj shah if the president finds this to be a brazen and reckless act as the administration has said it is, why did he not say something to vladimir putin when
he had him on the phone? raj shah didn't have much of an answer for that. kristin welker, donald trump had dinner with michael cohen over the weekend. what do you make of that? >> he confirmed it, katy, which is notable. that is significant. that dinner came before that big interview last night. so what did they discuss, to what extent did they discuss what everyone heard from stormy daniels sunday? certainly notable, you heard raj shah again say the president denies these allegations. i pressed him on one of the larger statements made by stormy daniels which is that she says back in 2011 she was physically threatened when she was in a parking lot. she was with her infant daughter at the time. raj shah indicating the president doesn't believe her. take a listen to the exchange. >> was the president aware of a
physical threat made against ms. daniels when she was with her daughter back in 2011? >> well, the president doesn't believe that any of the claims that ms. daniels made last night in the interview are accurate. >> he doesn't believe she was threatened? >> no, he does not. >> what's his basis for that? >> he just doesn't believe that -- there's nothing to corroborate her claim. >> did he have dinner with michael cohen at mar-a-lago on saturday? >> yeah, i believe he did. >> i tried to get a readout of that dinner, katy, but no luck there. he was asked a number of times also about that $130,000 payment that stormy daniels received in the days before the election from michael cohen, the president's personal attorney. for more details he referred reporters to michael cohen, that's also significant, really trying to dodge questions on that. i want to get to the other headline. you pointed out russia, he was
pressed over and over again on russia, if this was such a breach that required expelling 60 diplomats, why did it take so long? why didn't he raise the issue with his phone call with putin. raj shah saying he raised other important issues like the issue of nuclear weapons, and he also made the point that these things take time, that there needs to be a process in place and that's why it took three weeks from revelations was there a spy who was poisoned on british soil to today. and that big announcement expelling russian diplomats. shulkin has been under a microscope. raj shah repeating no personnel announcements. >> raj shah did not have an answer. kristen welker, thank you so
much. katy, i want to get your take on the john edwards comparison. i have one more question for john. i was reading a newsletter for the national review, and he made a reveal interesting point. donald trump gets down into the mud, the muck, he will always go harsher and meaner than anything anyone can say about him, which makes him such a dangerous person to criticize, especially for other politicians as they found during the campaign. no matter what they said, donald trump was willing to get nasty. jonah was making the point that what can he say to embarrass or humility stormy daniels, what can he say to embarrass or humility a po humiliate a porn store? part of the reason her story is more effective than other people's stories, part of the reason why he has nothing to say to her, because he can't get more in the muck? >> right. it's a very good point.
his silence is striking. we know he does not hold his tongue when he's made at someone, he likes to fight. in this case he has done none of that, leaving raj shah to stumble. she was striking in her self-confidence. she's not shamed or embarrass. >> she's not calling herself a victim either. >> she certainly has month second thoughts about what she does for a living. she's proud of what she does and has a distinguished career. this is who i am, this is what happened, and i want to get my story out there. >> want to not be defamed. >> i am trying to push back against these efforts to intimidate me.
he is a knack for getting people to keep watching. now stormy daniels and her attorney are playing his game and they're winning right now where every day there's a new revelation a new tease of something to pro-fell story forward. >> katy, let's get back to john edwards. john edwards was in a similar scandal and it caused him a lot of political harm. how does this compare to the john edwards saga, how does it not compare, and what sort of legal challenges could the president face if it comes to pass that michael cohen did break election law? >> here's the thing, katy, it wasn't just political harm for john edwards, he got indicted. and so does that invite a comparison to cohen getting indicted for violating finance laws. by all accounts, $130,000 hush money payment on the eve of the presidential election in 2016
could constitute an contribution made to influence the outcome of the election. michael cohen is going to be looking at felony charges for having done that, and remember too, cohen keeps maintaining that everyone got reimbursed by either trump or the trump campaign, so intriguingly you just heard raj shah do what, there is now a pronounced distance coming from the white house saying if you have some further questions, not it, ask michael cohen. that's kind of telling because before you have this circling of the wagons around donald trump, but now cohen looks like he might be left hanging out to dry. who knows? >> katie fang. jonathan lemire, thank you as well. guys, appreciate it. next up, back to that russia story. the white house expels russian diplomats, but will donald trump do anything more to punish putin, and why in the world did he bring this up in the phone call he had with him last week? that is next.
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the diplomats have one week to leave country. the administration's move is in response to the poisoning of a former russian spy and his daughter in the u.k., allegedly orchestrated by the kremlin. the white house remains ready to build a better relationship with russia, but that can only happen with a change in the russian government's behavior. the consulate in sooegts which is near a boeing facility will be closed as part of retaliatory measures. michael carpenter, and analyst jeremy bash who's also former chief of staff at the u.s. department of defense and the cia. jeremy, it's been so long. michael, good to see you as well. i'll start with you because you're new to us here. how significant is this expulsion of this many diplomats coming after this poisoning in the u.k.? >> i think it's very strong
messaging that the administration has decided to expel 60 diplomats, for more consequential is the closure of the consulate in seattle which was primary used for espionage purposes. so the message bhientsds is strong. in terms of reel consequences this doesn't amount to a whole lot. after all these sorts of diplomatic expulsions always result in a tat for tat response. >> you mentioned the consulate in sooelkts, the administration saying it was primary used for spying purposes, it was near a u.s. submarine base and a boeing facility. if the facility was used for spying purposes, why was it open in the first place? why is the response to a poisoning the reason they're closing it? >> frankly, it should have been
closed a long time ago. a lot of t . >> jeremy, the russians aren't happy about this. they're asking folks which consulate they should close. raj shah was pressed on this. why if the administration thinks this is brazen and such a horrible thing they did in the u.k., why did -- [ no audio ] raj shah said they got other things that are very positive out of that phone call. what do you make of it, jeremy? >> credit where credit is due. i agree with michael about that. i also think we've been sending mixed signals to russia because putin really cares what the top
guy thinks. he really listens to what the president of the united states says. when he doesn't raise the issue of an attempted assassination of an individual the united states helped win his freedom in 2010. when the president of the united states doesn't mention it, congratulates putin. >> 14 european countries that are going to be following suit, including poland, france. any change in the way russia conducts itself around the world? >> no, highly doubtful. this doesn't change the kremlin's calculus in any appreciable way because the costs are simply too small. if we were considering with our
nato allies and european partners to impose financial sanctions on russian banks or prohibiting transactions with russian defense companies, going more after their energy sector, including the in order stream 2 pipeline, those sort of actions would have a profound effect on the kremlin's calculus. but tit for tat expulsions don't do. >> it michael carpenter, welcome to the program. gentlemen, thank you very much. she's one of a dozen women who accused donald trump of sexual harassment during the 2016 campaign. and now she is running for office. rachel crooks joins me next. of . wondering, "what if?" i let go of all those feelings. because i am cured with harvoni.
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- there's a common thread i see every time i'm in the field. while this was burning, you were saving other homes. neighbors helping neighbors and strangers alike. - this is what america's about. - sometimes it's nice to see all the good that's out there. bringing folks out, we have seen it in community after community. you were 27. he was 60. were you physically attracted to him? >> no. >> not at all? >> no. >> did you want to have sex with him? >> no, but i didn't say "no." i'm not a victim. i'm not -- >> it was entirely consensual? >> yeah. >> while adult star stormy
daniels says her alleged encounter with trump in 2006 was consensual, it is important to remember more than a dozen other women say their encounters will donald trump before he was president were not consensual. before the the 2016 election ma came forward accusing candidate trump of making unwanted advanced. one of them is rachel crooks. >> i decided to introduce myself because i did see him regularly. and he shook my hand and he kind of gave me the normal double cheek kiss. but then he held on to my hand and he kept kissing me. i don't know how many times back and forth, multiple. and then he kissed me on the lips. and i was shocked, yeah. i mean, devastated. >> donald trump has denied the allegations and weeks after crooks made her claims he was elected president. now crooks is running for office herself. rachel crooks me now.
a democrat candidate for ohio, the seat held by a republican. rachel, thank you for being here. i want to talk about your race in a moment. but first i have to get you on the record for this. stormy daniels said that she was threatened to keep quiet and said she was threatened physically years ago and that recently she felt like she had no choice but to sign statements saying that the relationship never happened. you told your story last year on the -- while he was running or two years ago while he was running for office. at any point did anybody try to silence you or threaten you to be quiet? >> no. and thank you for having me, katie. but to answer your question, no. i never had any experience like that where i was threatened. >> what is your response, your take on somebody working for the president paying a large amount of money to somebody who keep quiet about something they said happened? >> i think it's worth looking
into. i mean she -- stormy daniels and the president had what seems to be a consensual relationship. what i think is problematic is the way it's been covered up and i think her claims of being threatened are worth looking into. i think this payment that was made by michael cohen to her days before the election is obviously -- it sounds like an illegal in-kind donation so i help the fec will look into that as well. >> why are you running for office? >> it is a tough question. but i -- was sort of inspired by many other women who will be running for office this year. and hopefully winning as well. and i just felt that it was sort of this duty and responsibility that people were looking to me to continue to be a strong voice and the people of my district
need that option. we sometimes go to the polls in my district and only have one choice. which is often a republican candidate. so i wanted to offer an alternative and represent progressive values. >> 62% of your district in the county where you live voted for donald trump in 2016. "the washington post" reports that 94% of trump supporters told pollster their views were not impacted at all by the sexual harassment or misconduct allegations against him. why do you think that you in particular, somebody who has come out and accused donald trump of in appropriate behavior, misconduct, why do you think you can win this particular seat? >> well, i think like you mentioned, trump did win my district. but i think the appeal of trump was that he was anti-establishment and anti-typical politician. and people certainly gravitated toward that. and i understand why.
i too am frustrated with politics as usual. i don't think that politicians are serving their constituents, i think they're serving donors and their own self interest. so i understand the appeal. i want to be a positiveality tuf turniv -- alternative and restore integrity and the promises ma trump made are not being upheld or -- i think he is a con-artist to then th degree and i hope they recognize with all of the turmoil in society today and want the alternative, want to choose progressive values and like i said, hopefully restore some integrity back into the political environment. >> and you have a platform right now to speak to those voters. what is your number one issue? what is the number one reason you think people should be voting for you? what are you campaigning on? >> i am very passionate about
education. so i've spent most of my career working in higher education. and i've loved it. i'm actually still a student in a doctoral program so i'm a student for life. i have a deep love of learning and that is a big issue in the state of ohio. in 2010 we were ranked fifth in the nation in terms of our education system and we have slipped to 22nd. so it's incredible. and that is under republican leadership and our governor and our legislature. so we need to restore funds to public education system, we have np unfortunate abuse scandal with our charter school system and they've not been held accountable for that. so there is a lot of work to be done to restore some integrity also in the public education system. so that is sort of my number one issue that i'll be running on. >> rachel crooks, candidate for the 88th house district in ohio. rachel, thank you very much and
good luck in your race. >> thank you so much. and as we head to break, a reminder to follow the show on facebook, twitter and instagram. i don't know maybe avoid facebook with all of this news about facebook. instagram, well that is facebook too. how about twitter. maybe no social media. we'll be right back. to most people, i look like most people. but on the inside, i feel chronic, widespread pain. fibromyalgia may be invisible to others, but my pain is real. fibromyalgia is thought to be caused by overactive nerves. lyrica is believed to calm these nerves. i'm glad my doctor prescribed lyrica. for some, lyrica delivers effective relief for moderate to even severe fibromyalgia pain. and improves function. lyrica may cause serious allergic reactions, suicidal thoughts or actions. tell your doctor right away if you have these, new or worse depression, unusual changes in mood or behavior, swelling, trouble breathing, rash, hives, blisters, muscle pain with fever, tired feeling, or blurry vision. common side effects: dizziness, sleepiness,
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