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of "msnbc live." my colleague katy tur takes over right now. hey, there, kate. >> is it already 2:00? >> it is already 2:00, and it's going to be a big hour because it's the president's first public comments all week. so we will be watching closely. >> we're going to dip into that when he begins. we have breaking news. it's 11:00 a.m. out west and 9:00 p.m. in moscow where we're following breaking news. the russian government now says it will expel 60 u.s. diplomats and close the u.s. consulate. it's a tit for tat response to the u.s. and two dozen other countries ordering more than 150 russian diplomats out this week
in a show of solidarity with britain. in just 30 minutes we'll hear from the state department in response to the russian tit for tat. so our big question right now is where is this diplomatic standoff with russia headed? we'll speak to a member of the senate foreign relations committee in a moment. nbc's lucy cav novembanaugh is russia. ken vogel is a political reporter for "the new york times," and jonathan lemire is a white house reporter with the associated press and an msnbc political analyst. lucy, i want to start with you. break it down for us what's happening with this announcement from russia? >> none of this is a surprise. we anticipated that russia would respond in kind and, in fact, the official twitter account for
issue's u.s. embassy asked users yesterday which u.s. consulate should be closed in response to president trump's decision to expel russian diplomats. we know jon huntsman was summoned earlier today to the foreign naerns moscow where he was informed that 60 american diplomats has been ordered to leave the country by april 5th, specifically we know that 58 diplomats in moscow, two general consulate officials are now persona non grata in retaliation for what the united states did a few days ago shutting down the russian consulate in seattle and expelling those in d.c. and united nations. this is part of the former fall outover the former russian spy dying in the u.k. we've seen a surprisingly unified international response. more than 20 other countries, primary european announced expulsions earlier this week as did nato headquarters in
brussels in all 27 countries have now ejected more than 150 russians. and that is why we're seeing the kremlin today announce that it would not only expel the 60 u.s. diplomats, but in totally 150 western diplomats, closing the american consulate in saint petersburg, not a surprising escalation. this is something we've been expecting from moscow and the kremlin. >> lucy, thank you very much. jonathan, this is not unexpected. this was what everybody anticipated. what happened that they would end up expelling our diplomats in response. how is the white house going to reacted and are they going to react to this? >> at some point i think they will. it's unlikely trump will from the stage. as we know, he is often reluctant to personally criticize russia, to personally criticize vladimir putin even as the government around him acts to do that. i would suspect that the white house will at some point release a statement today, certainly i
think the state department will also chime in. this is not unanticipated. once the united states expelled the russian diplomats, it was only a matter of time before moscow decided to return the favor. >> betsy, does this change the way approximate president deals with russia, the relationship the president might have with vladimir putin? and will john bolton factor into this in any way? >> that's the million dollars question. we know that it takes a much harder line on russia than the president himself does. it's likely those national security adviser he will push trump more in the traditional republican view of russia. that said, the big question is, does trump's personal relationship with putin take any sort of hit because of this new change? over the course of his presidency one of the most strange and interesting things that raises questions among reports and on bob mueller's team is why president trump is so confident that his personal
relationship with vladimir putin can change the course of the united states' relationship with russia. the president has made it clear he thinks maintaining and preserving that relationship is a top priority. as a result he has hardly called out putin for anything. i think we'd have a hard time finding any individual instance where the president has specifically gone after putin. cause that change now that putin's administration expels dozen of americans? we'll have to wait and find out. it's anybody's guess. >> speaking of john bolton, the incoming national security adviser, he went to the pentagon a couple minutes ing a and met with secretary of defense mattis. and mattis can be heard saying to bolton, i presume this is in a cheeky way, i heard you're actually the devil incarnate and i wanted to meet you. according to the pool note, their backs were turned to the
camera at the time, but it sounds like bolton laughed. let's talk about the dynamic, ken, with bolton coming in and how this changes things in regards to our foreign policy with places like russia, potentially north korea. >> john bolton is much more of a hardliner and also the iran deal, including jim mattis, the defense secretary. that said, even with the potential for disagreement within the cabinet at the upper levels of the administration on foreign policy, there's absolutely no indication that anything that any of these advisers have said to donald trump at least about russia has had any impact whatsoever. let's not forget he was warned specifically not to congratulate vladimir putin on his election victory. big, bold letters atop the memo when he was doing the call and did it anyway. sure, john bolton is a hardliner on russia, and he might urge the president to take a harder line against vladimir putin personally, but there's
absolutely no indication that any of that has had any impact thus far in the way president has personally dealt with russia or vladimir putin. >> this is president's first appearance in front of cameras in a little while. he's been noticeably more silent than i guess he normally is. he didn't talk to reporters on the way out to marine one. obviously this is about infrastructure, it's unlikely he's going to bring up these sanctions. it's not just the russian expelling diplomats. there's stormy daniels still in the news, a lot of stuff going on the president has yet to directly address. >> when you put president trump in front of a crowd, anything can happen. we haven't seen him publicly in days. he's largely been off twitter, at least not the pace he usually is. we don't anticipate seeing him as easter week arrives. he's heading down to florida to spend the week the mar-a-lago. so this is the moment where
perhaps goaded on by the cheering crowd now, where he does go off on a riff whether it be about russia or stormy daniels or the economy or his cabinet. >> jonathan lemire, ken vogel, thank you very much. let's go to delaware senator chris coons. senator, thank you very much for being here. we'll try and get this interview in quickly before the president gets too far into his infrastructure speech. first, your reaction to the retaliation from russia. >> i think it was predictable that russia would retaliate by closing one of our concentrate lats and by expelling a roughly comparable amount of americans. but i think this is an important moment when president trump has joined many of our western allies in standing up to russian aggression. and i commend the president for doing this. i, frankly, wish he had been
strourng earlier in confronting ongoing russian aggression in interfering in your 2016 election, but i commend the president for taking this strong step against russia for which there's now been a counterretaliation by the russian government. >> john bolton is a hawk on russia and north korea, but certainly a hawk on russia. are you happy to see somebody with stronger views on russia coming to this administration? >> i do think it's important that we be clear about how much russia has interfered in our own elections in 2016, threatens to do so again in 2018, and how strongly we opposite their illegal annexization of crimea. we stand firm in pushing back on aggression. that is one part of his stance that i would agree with. i am concerned he felt thinks the iraq war was a good idea,
and the way he views the best way the board with north korea. >> the trump campaign has been asked to provide the more documentation as well as rick deer born who worked in the campaign as well as the white house. why do you need more information on those two men and what are you hoping to find? >> well, this is all a part of our ongoing interest in the social media campaign of the trump campaign and our insistence of getting mark zuckerberg from facebook and other social media ceos to appear before us and delve more deeply into the issues raised by recent reports that cambridge analytica may have stripped the personally identifying data of 50 million americans and then helped share that. the specifics as to why they're asking for more information off these two individuals at this time i can't share, but it's
part of the broader effort. >> do you think these two men might have worked with cambridge analytica? is that why you want to talk with them? >> seems to me that would ban interesting and important question to ask them. but i can't get into any more details about exactly what's motivating the chair and the ranking member. >> senator chris coons, thank you very much for joining us. >> thank you, katy. >> here is the president in ohio. >> 90 days again and then, you know what happens? we kill the regulation. and it's a thing of beauty. and we have filled out every form, every legal application, and we still actually have a long way to go on regulation. and we're going to have regulations. you need regulations for safety and for the environment. but not where you couldn't do anything, you couldn't move. so i think that's been a big, big success and a reason for our success. we've made history by massively
reducing job-killing taxes. [ cheers and applause ] and we didn't have one democrat who voted for that. they want to raise your taxes and they want people to come in from the border, and they want, i guess, want, i can't imagine they want, but certainly drugs are flowing across borders. we need calls. we started building our wall. i'm so proud of it. we started. we have 1.6 billion. and we've already started. you saw the pictures yesterday. i said, what a thing of beauty. and on september 28th we go further and we get that sucker built. you think that's easy? people say has he given up? i never given. we have 1.6 billion toward the wall. you saw those beautiful pictures and the wall looks good. it's properly designed.
that's what i do, is i build. i was always very good at building. i think better than being president i was maybe good at building, like you people. you're good at building. [ applause ] i think maybe we'll be better at president. i would be good. but we are building a really state of the art, very, very efficient, have to be able to see through, makes a lot of sense. i have to be able to see who's on the other side. nobody would even think of what we've done prototypes all over. we've reversed the dangerous defense cuts and we're giving our war fighters the tools, funding and equipment they need to fight and win. [ cheers and applause ] we have really -- we're building
up our military to the highest level it's ever been, and it was not in good shape. but it's now going to be very soon, the highest level it's ever been. by the way, that means jobs too. it's defense, always number one. defense is number one. even you job folks would say defense is number one. but it's a lot of jobs, millions of jobs. we've unleashed american energy independence. energy exports are at a record high and foreign imports are at their lowest level in much more than a decade. we've stood up for the american workers by finally cracking down on unfair trade that steals are jobs and plunders our wealth. they have stolen our wealth, they've stolen our jobs, they've stolen our plants and factories. no more. we're not letting other countries take advantage of us, even our friends took advantage.
our friends are friends, they're wonderful people, but we said you can't do that anymore. those days are over. frankly, our friends did more damage to us than our enemies. because we didn't deal with our enemies. we dealt with our friends and we dealt incompetently because we are now finally putting america first. america first. [ cheers and applause ] just this week we secured a wonderful deal with south korea. we were in a deal that was a horror show. it was going to produce 200,000 jobs, and it did, for them. that was a hillary clinton special. i hate to say it. this will produce 200,000 jobs. she was right, but it was for them. it wasn't for us. so we've redone it, and that's going to level the playing field
on steele and cars and trucks coming into this country. [ applause ] and i may hold it up until after a deal is made with north korea. does everybody understand that? do you know why? right? because it's a very strong card. and i want to make sure everyone is treated fairly and we're moving along very nicely with north korea. we'll see what happens. certainly the rhetoric has calmed down just a little bit, wouldn't you say? wouldn't you say? we'll see how it turns out. maybe it will be good and maybe it won't. if it's no good, we're walking and if it's good we'll brace it. but it's going to be very interesting over the next period of time. south korea has been wonderful. but we'll probably hold that deal up for a little while, see
how it all plays out. we're keeping our promises and the results are in. 3 million new jobs since election day, 3 million. [ cheers and applause ] if i would have said that to you during the campaign where we had tremendous support in this grate state, state of ohio, if i would have said 3 million jobs, they would have said the fake news, he's exaggerating. unemployment claims are at their lowest level in 45 years, lowest level, 45 years. [ applause ] african-american unemployment has reached the lowest levels
ever recorded. remember? remember i said what do you have to lose? what do you have to lose? i'm so happy about that. hispanic-american unemployment rate has also reached the lowest levels ever recorded. [ applause ] and wages are rising at the fastest level in more than a decade. finally, 19 years, 21 years, people were making last year -- were making less money than 20 years ago. now wages are right guys because more jobs are happening. just like we're going to have choice at the va, we're going to have choice for these great people. you could also have choice with jobs. you're going to have choice with
jobs. our veterans will have choice, and you're going to have choice with jobs. [ applause ] and now with our friends in ohio -- >> donald trump in ohio trying to ostensibly pitch voters on his infrastructure plan. he's talking broadly about building saying he was a better builder than president and then back tracked and said he's a better president. news on north korea saying the rhetoric has calmed down. he looks forward to meeting and talking, we'll see what happens. the president says if it works out, great, if it doesn't, who knows. joining me is ray la hood, transportation secretary during the obama administration. obviously this is not the entire speech, ray, but from what you know about this infrastructure plan that has been out there, do you think that it's something that's going to work? is it viable?
is it needed? >> well, certainly it's needed. america's one big pothole. i'm back here in my hometown of peoria, and i can tell you this brutal winter has absolutely devastated and decimated the roads and bridges not only in central illinois but all across america. we need a transportation bill, but more than anything else, we need the money to pay for it. and the idea that the money is going to come from the states are local governments, they're broke, they don't have any money. and what i've been promoting is the idea that the white house and the president promote an increase in the gas tax, increase the big pot of money that built the interstate system and built america, and then we can get on with filling potholes and bridges without the leadership from the president and the white house to raise the
gas tax, there is no money to implement the program. >> look at the report card from the american society of civil engineers. aviation gets a "d." bridges get a "c" plus. energy gets a "d" plus. ports get a "c" plus. the president says it's going to be a $200 billion package and he wants it to be coupled with state spending. can that make a dent if you're just looking at the federal side of things? >> it really can't, katy. it can't make a dent because we have 60,000 structurally deficient bridges. 70-year-old transit systems, it requires a lot of money and billions of dollars, which is what the president talked about. more recently, katy, the president talked about a 25 cent gallon increase in the gas tax.
i'm for that. if he provided the kind of leadership, i think congress would go along with it without that kind of leadership, we don't have the money to do the things that need to be donement and the states certainly don't have the money. and local governments don't either. >> the proposal to build a new tunnel between new york and new jersey that's been out there, $30 billion plan to do that called the gateway project, the president is lobbying against it. new york, his home, a lot of folks have said this is exactly what is needed to make sure that you don't shutdown the economic engine of the entire northeast should something happen to the holland tunnel or lincoln tunnel or one of the bridges here in the city. why do you think the president oppose it? >> your guess is as good as
mine. this is a project that needs to be done. this could be a project of national significance. this is not just a project, really, for new york and new jersey. think of all the people who travel to new york. the people of travel to new jersey, the thousands of people who use these tunnels and they're in a state of very bad repair. again, if we're going to have the best infrastructure in the world, the national government has to provide the leadership. if you look at what's going on in china, in asia, in yaeurope, it's because the national government stepped up and provided the leadership and provided the money. now, it's incumbent upon our national government to recognize this important project in new york and new jersey, and that region, not just for the people that live there, but for
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we're following other breaking news on the attempt from stormy daniels' attorney to depose president trump. a short time ago a judge denied that motion, but despite the setback, attorney michael avenatti remains confident about his chances in court. >> based on the language of the order that came down today, they're in a world of hurt. they are not in a good place. we told them what the law was before we filed the motion. they didn't seem to understand it. maybe they'll you understand it now, but i think we're going to get to the discovery we've asked for and we're going to get the trial we asked for. >> back with me, jonathan lemire from the -- sorry. i talk too fast. white house reporter for the associated press. and danny cevallos, msnbc legal analyst. i don't need to read for that. i know your total. i'm very proud of myself. michael avenatti, confident for a man who just lost something in
court, lost the ability to depose the president, at least for now. but he still says the president and michael cohen are no, quote, a world of hurt. are they in a world of hurt? >> i wouldn't use those words, but i wouldn't also call the judge's ruling today a loss for avenatti. all it is is a denial of his motion to take discovery, to get depositions, it's too early. and the reason behind it is basically this. avenatti says, hey, in federal court we're entitled to a trial on the issue of whether or not there was an agreement to arbitrate. in variably, the defendants in this case will ask the court to throw this case out and send it to arbitration. it's where they need to be to have a prayer of winning and protecting the president from discovery. >> when they do that, will we
see the potential for michael avenatti to depose the president? >> absolutely because ec will ask the court to send this court to arbitration, then that triggers avenatti's ability to file for a jury trial and discovery and depositions. and it appears likely that they are entitled to that discovery. i believe the court could deny it if they thought there was no issue whatsoever, but they may very likely get a deposition. and the issue of whether or not a president can be deposed in a situation like this for nonofficial action was resolved decades ago. >> with bill clinton. >> that is correct. >> john if the president has to be deposed for stormy daniels, i don't know, what does that look like? what does that sound like? what is the white house reaction? >> that's trouble. there's a trump adviser who told me once if president trump was to be deposed he would purger himself 30 times in the first 90
seconds. >> i think i also heard that from a trump adviser. >> he's had trouble in the past and has plenty of deposition experience and he's had to admit to himself he's lied under oath previously. it would be dangerous here and it's the same issue they have with the bob mueller situation with the russia investigation where the lawyers there are also very much counselling him not to sit down for an interview even though the president himself says he wants to. >> white house told nbc news the reason the president hasn't responded to stormy daniels despite responding to everybody else is that this does not rise to the level of needing a presidential response. is that what's going on? does it rise to the level of needing a presidential response? >> there was a board up with the 400 odd things the president has attacked, including super bowl li, that particularly game,
there aren't nafrlgz rise to the level of his attack. he's not show about going after things he's angry with. this is different. whether he's not doing it because he is afraid perhaps of legal implications, because he's afraid of trouble at home, or it's just something he doesn't want to engage in because he realizes this is not a fight where potentially he looks good either way. >> he's also attacked president obama and the podium for not looking straight enough in a tweet. that was my favorite. danny cevallos, when michael avenatti, if he gets to sit down and depose the president, what sort of questions will he be asking him? >> better believe that ec and president trump's team will limit the scope of the discovery because in this case this is not a typical trial. the issues are narrow, it's whether or not the parties agreed to arbitrate in this connection. they need to limit the scope of discovery and once they get into
a deposition, even though the ruflz discovery are somewhere broad, expect trump's attorney to stop the questioning if it gets even close to anything to do with russia. they will stick their arm out to the client and say, jonathan, don't answer that question. and even if it's arguably a question that should be answered, his attorneys have to be mindful. they have o air on the side of you saying because a wrong answer may not be admissible in trial but it may destroy his mexico. >> is this an important aspect of the story or it's the violation? >> the part of about this case that's been interesting is that it's always gone down two paths. on one level, maybe the less important national level, it's about stormy daniels and her settlement agreement. but the reality is, the reason he's been in a catch 22 from the beginning is he wants to enforce this, part of that is saying, hey, i'm david den son and i want to enforce it against you. but if he does, that opens him up to another set of collateral
consequences, and the other part is that if he gets dragged into discovery in this case or any case, the rules of discovery are so broad, there's virtually -- there's very few questions that would not be considered relevant in a deposition. >> if he had to admit his dennis, that would open up other things where all day women came forward and accused him of sexual abuse and blanket no, no, no. it opens the door for other people. >> my question is the fec violation is a more troubling aspect of this. >> that's absolutely on the table. you can speak better to what legal risk he has. people have made comparison to john edwards, saying that trump the perhaps more vulnerable to those charges than edwards was who was indicted, not convicted, is that correct? certainly the legal implications are not white house's mind too.
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the white house fidget spinner has spit out yet another cabinet member, goodbye veterans affairs secretary david shulkin. he's been a dead man walking for weeks. first there was the skucrutiny over a trip he took with his wife on the taxpayers' dime. then he fell out of favor with the president. flung from the administration, shulkin started to kick and scream in midair. he gave a morning interview to npr. >> i was not allowed to put up an official statement or to even respond to this by the white house, who told me that they didn't want me responding. so i think that this was really just being used in a political context to try to make sure that i wasn't as effective as a leader moving forward. >> he also wrote an opposite ed for "the new york times" in
which he called washington toxic chaotic disrespectful and subversive. with shulkin out, the doctor is in. white house physician dr. ronny jackson, that is. you'll remember him from his stored appearance at the white house in january when he gave the president, an avid lover of fast food, a clean bill of health and said he had incredible genes. >> explain to me how a guy who eats mcdonald's and all those diet coax and never exercises is as good as shape as you say he's in. >> it's genetics. some people have great genes. i told the president if he had a healthier diet he might live for 200 years. >> dr. jackson has an impressive and lengthy resume, also served three administrations as a white house physician. but he's never run a government agency, let alone one as big as
beleaguered as va 6789 it employs 36,000 people. it's been playground by charges of mismanagement for years, report after report has cited a long list of failures. so as a man with no experience in management qualified to fix what's been broken for decades. this is the director of government relations for vote vets.org. you know the stats, but hold on a second. the president's talk about david shulkin. let's listen zpotsds come back. >> they couldn't do anything about it. they were protected. you could do anything. they had saidists that treated our vets horrible, worse than a movie. they had people that wouldn't work. you couldn't do anything. i had passed the va
accountability act, and now when they're bad to our vets or they're not working for our vets, we say, jim, you're fired. get out. get out. that was a big deal. that was a big deal. no accountability. we got that passed. nobody talks about it. they don't talk about it. they don't want to talk about. i'm doing it for the vets and we made changes because we want them -- >> a moment of talking about the va. let's go back to will fisher. the president ousted david shulkin and is bringing until the white house personal physician, dr. ronny jackson. is this a good choice? is it a positive choice? could it be better than david shulkin? >> who's to say. when i first heard the news yesterday, my first response was, who?
and then, of course, i, like a lot of people, went into the at ticks of memory and remembered the press conference where the admiral told us about the clean bill of health of donald trump and how he could live to be 200 years old. what we don't know about the admiral and the doctor is a lot. we don't know where he is on this issue of privatization. we don't know what type of management experience he has to enable him to lead an agency like the department of veterans affairs. so we're definitely wanting to find out the answers to these questions. we're would go with lawmakers to make sure they're asking these questions starting now all the way to those confirmation hearings once they begin in a few weeks. >> what is the biggest problem that needs to be addressed immediately at the va? >> right now you're talking about the va as a place that has over 30,000 empty jobs right now that are going unfilled. and the va, katy, it's a
world-class health care provider. it is a health care system that is designed specifically to meet the needs of veterans. but here in this town there is a campaign being led by donald trump and the concerned veterans for america to destroy and private ties our va health care system. as long as that happening, which is at the root of david shulkin getting pushed out in the way he was because he wasn't being aggressive enough in bringing about levels of va privatization because if donald trump had his way, if the concerned veterans for america had their way, there would be somebody leading taking a wrecking ball and a bulldozer within hours of their senate confirmation. >> in january the average wait time at the va for a doctor was 22 days. sounds like a lot, but at the same time it is much better than it was back in 2014 when the average wait time was 115 days.
can you make the argument that the veterans affairs administration was moving in the right direction, that things were starting to get better? >> i think so. and i think it comes down to, one, really educating people on what veterans really think about the va. and that is that veterans are overwhelmingly satisfied with the care that we are receiving at the va and we reject efforts to private ties that. getting that story out there in the news, working with lawmakers, seeing people come together to make sure that wave fully-funded va, a fully-staffed va and an equipped va that's able to care for every veteran in this country who earned it. >> let me briefly address privatization because a lot of folks might look at that and say what's wrong with privatetizing the va when there are issues there, why can't our veterans just go to any of those doctors. a study that was just released recently found that most civilian medical providers in
new york state where they focused their research were ill-equipped to treat veterans. we have good hospitals in this state and treat a few veterans in this state. it found two-thirds of providers were unfamiliar with military culture. 43% said they regularly screened for medical conditions common among veterans, that's less than half. when you're talking about how you need to be equipped to treat veterans, what exactly do you mean? what makes a doctor treating veterans different than a doctor treating any other person? >> it's a great question, katy. look, the va is a system that's designed specifically to meet the needs of veterans, take, for example, an issue like audiology. 27-year-old combat veteran sfrufrg hearing loss has a different type of hearing loss
and different needs than my 96-year-old grandmother suffering from hearing loss. they came about in a different type of way, and that's just the beginning of this conversation. the va is a world-class leader in providing mental health care. they are a world leader in working with prosthetics and spinal cord injury. when donald trump was talking about accountability just now, he said we need all this accountability at the va, yet he wants to take the va away and send people off to the private sector. there was a report from "the wall street journal" that said veterans who were sent to the private sector are likely to be dependent on opioids. veterans who were not enrolled in the va saw their suicide rates increase by nearly 40%. how are you trying to make something more accountable by sending people out to the private sector with a voucher and a pat on the back into a world of no accountability
whereas there is a lot of accountability at the va? >> it's a different type of injury they're treating. ptsd, you see a lot of that in hospitals around the country and it's not that the private hospitals could not get up to speed eventually, no one is making that argument. it's what happens in the interim and what happens with oversight. will fisher, thank you very much for being here. iraq war veteran and purple heart recipient with vote vets.org. a live look at sacramento, california, where mourners are gathering for the funeral of stephon clark who was shot and killed by police last week. next, why hasn't the president even mentioned clark's name, and is this as the white house called it, a local matter? >> their hearts may not be hardened by bitterness. more than a thousand workers are starting their day
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grandmother's backyard. the outrage has been growing for 11 days with protesters marching in the streets and storming city hall. they want to know this keeps happening. why do unarmed black men keep getting killed by cops and why do black men not get the same benefit of the doubt as white men when interacting with police officers. this problem is not knew and doesn't seem to be going away but acourt d cording to the white house, the death isn't their problem. it is sacramento's. >> certainly a terrible incident. this is something that is a local matter and that is something that we feel should be left up to the local authorities at this point in time. >> a local matter? really? >> there are a lot of african-american moms all across the country feel as though their sons are -- doesn't the president feel he
should do something about. >> i think the pro-- the presid, whether they are black, white, hispanic, male or female, rich or poor, we look for ways to protect individuals in this country and particularly children and that is why you've seen the president take an active roll in school safety. >> this isn't just happening in sacramento, it happened to philando castile in is it the r st. paul and to michael brown in ferguson, missouri missouri. it out lasted president obama and it is not going to a under president trump who blasted the complaints of excessive force in law enforcement, touted a platform of blue lives matter and used black lives matter as a wedge to divide voters in 2016. today rightfully so black mother and black fathers and sons and dalts a dalt -- daughters are asking why this president cares. they are asking why this is not
a national issue and they should be heard. does the president want to fix things and make lives better great again. folks called these callous and crude and empty words. >> what do you have to lose? you're living in poverty, your schools are no good, you have no jobs. 58% of your youth is unemployed. what the hell do you have to lose? >> joining me now is brittany co-founder of campaign zero a police reform campaign. brittany, he also said a number of times on the campaign trail that just walking outside in african-american neighborhoods you might get shot when going to grab a -- some bread from the supermarket. he campaigned on this idea that what do you have to lose? democrats haven't done anything better for african-americans. you have this platform right now and if the president were to look back on his dvr later when he gets home from this ohio
rally and watch this, what would you want to tell him directly or ask him directly? >> well, i honestly don't know that i have much to ask him. frankly his track record on african-americans in our community speaks for itself. we know how he treated the central park five and what he said about them. we know that he's had -- housing discrimination cases brought against him. we know he hired someone like jeff sessions who coretta scott king was clear about to run his department of justice. so quite frankly, i don't have any questions because his actions are speaking louder than any words. i know how he feels about me and my community and about many americans every single day who are walking around who do not have the privilege that he does. >> if you feel like you need to go around the president into trying to make this a national issue and trying to get reform done to make it so that black men, african-american men get the benefit of the doubt in these situations and aren't shot in their grandmother's backyard because they are carrying a cell
phone, how do you do that? >> we've been doing it. this is the latest chapter in a decade, century's long struggle for freedom and not just for black people but for all marginalized people. this administration -- the last administration nor the one before that, but we've been doing at campaign zero is doing a couple of things. making sure the platform for how to fix this is clear and two that we are clear this is not a local matter, but indeed a national problem and look at the numbers we've reported on. in 2017 over 1100 people were killed by police in some form or fashion. there were only 14 days last year where the police didn't kill anyone. and 99% of police who kill someone are never convicted of that crime. if that is not a national issue, i don't know what is. >> supporters of the president, critics of the black lives matter matter movement and those that complain about law enforcement say look at the african-american community itself and the african-american rate of killing other african-americans.
what is your response to them? >> so we've done the research on this and there is no correlation between police violence and community violence. seeing violence in the community actually does not increase or decrease the likelihood that the police will kill someone. this is a stand on our democracy and it has nothing to do with how neighborhoods are engaging with one another. it has everything to do with the fact that police are not held accountable for the way they are walking around our communities. there has to be a change on a national level and when you got a president who is saying that police officers shouldn't be too nice with suspects he's setting a clear tone and declaring a culture in this country that has to be changed and at the local and state and federal level and make sure that blackness is no longer seasono seen as a weapon and people are able to walk around safely. >> maybe you should rough up suspects more. he said that on long island. >> he did. >> co-founder of campaign zero, thank you for joining us today. >> thank you. and one more thing before we go.
fox news anchor laura ingram seems to be learning what happens when you attack victims. particularly victims of a school shooting. yesterday she took to twitter to mock david hogg who survived the school shooting in parkland florida, wrote he rejected by four colleges to which he applied and whines about it, dinged by ucla with a 4.1 gpa. predictable given acceptance rates. he called on followers and companies are pulling ads from the right wing host's show. newt rish pet foods and way fair have all decided to boycott the show in the last few hours. now ingram said she's sorry. she tweeted this apology to david hogg a short time ago. any student should be proud of a 4.2 gpa including david. our reflection in the spirit of holy week i apologize for any upset or hurt my tweeze caused
him or any of the brave victims of parkland. i what would have wondered if it wasn't holy week or her advertises didn't drop her. that will wrap up this hour. i'll be back at "mtp daily" at 5:00 eastern and i'll leave you in the capable hands. >> good to see you again. good morning, i've david gura in for ali velshi. this hour president trump heading to his mar-a-largo estate to kick off his easter holiday early and speaking in richfield touting his administration's et administration's efforts but back in washington he left behind another shake-up and more controversy. the president gave the boot to his v.a. secretary david shulkin choosing the white house physician to replace him. but david shulkin is not walking away quietly. in a scathing on sed he wrotes i'm been falsely accused by