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david, i don't know if anyone knows this but you are a real jokester. >> i am. >> you asked me if i was doing "meet the press" and i am. it is "meet the press" daily. >> good to see you. i'm david gura in for ali velshi. president trump kicked off his long easter holiday in mar-a-largo and tension is ratcheting up overseas. a roadside bomb in northern syria killed two service members including a american and u.s. defense officials calling this a rare attack since the u.s.-led coalition sent trips into the country. a report reveals there is a new threat in the fight against isis. u commanders say as the terrorist group is on the brink of defeat, the white house shake-up is threatening to destroy the mission and tension with russia is also intensifying. the defense ministry released new video showing the successful test of a intercontinental
ballistic missile that vladimir putin touted in a speech earlier this month. on the heels of another nbc news report that president trump is telling his aides not to tout tough policies on russia publicly but behind the scenes he is more critical of his russian counter part citing two officials who say president trump told putin during the phone call last week, if you want to have a arms race we can do that but i'll win. and white house correspondent kristin welker and reporter courtney cubin. let me start with you. what are we getting from the white house on this syria news? >> reporter: well, no reaction yet. but look, the president sending out mixed signals against the back drop of this reporting. david, president trump yesterday in ohio, there to talk about infrastructure, he went off script. which is nothing new. but he indicated that the troops
would be coming home soon and the conflict would soon end in syria and then he -- that was marked back. but this crisis looms over this administration. just one of many foreign policies issues that the administration is dealing. syria and russia as well. >> russia as well. courtney let me bring you into the conversation. we have this tit for tat yesterday. russia expelling several dozen u.s. diplomats and that continues today with other western diplomats. what is the latest on the story. >> and the closing of the consulate in st. petersburg which is not a insignificant decision. you are right, this is a tit for tat and when does it end. in the bock drop of this, we've been working on a story about exactly how president trump deals with russia issues, related to russia and we found that his aides and his
administration officials who are in the cabinet, they have to really push president trump when it comes to tough actions against russia and specifically against vladimir putin. one scenario that we detailed in our story was the decision to provide weapons to ukraine. we reported back in august that a decision had gone to the president's desk and it was by the state department and by the pentagon supported by them and the national security apparatus to provide these javelin anti-tank missiles to ukraine. well it sat on the president's desk for about four months. secretary tillerson and others had to push him and say, look, we need to do this. this is something that ukraine needs and he made the decision in december but it took a lot of pushing and prodding from people in the cabinet. >> let me ask you about that. at the center of this, according to the piece, is the stark divide between the president's policy decisions and his public posture. what is the white house saying about that? we heard the back and forth
between andrea mitchell and the state department on this issue. the white house is substantia-- one thing and doing another behind the scenes. >> reporter: officially they are not saying anything. according to the reporting and the sources we've been speaking with, the president has been a little h-- hesitant to take action against russia and he thinks it is critical to deal with the crises that we've been talking about. he also doesn't want to play into the media hands and concerned about this. and the investigation into the russia meddling of the u.s. election. he continues to insist there was no collusion with russia and so there is some real concern from his perspective about giving into that. but his officials have been pushing back and said, putin responds to strength so ultimately they have won him over in a number of instances. i could tell you that based on my reporting, he wassin fury ated after putin flexed his muscles and talking about having
a bigger nuclear arsenal than the united states and when the president had the conversation with putin after he was re-elected, he raised that issue and said i didn't like that rhetoric that you were using. i liked it more once you softened your tone. it is not good for anyone to have an arms race but if you want do that, ultimately i will win. and i was told before the re-election happened, president trump reached out to his allies in germany, france as well as the u.k. to say, look, this rhetoric that we're hearing from putin is not acceptable and we basically have to band together. so really significant, but obviously what we are seeing in terms of action this administration consistently taking more increasingly tough stances. >> thank you very much. that is kristin welker and courtney kobe. and a senior council on the foreign of relations and on the
national security council during the obama administration, he was also director for european affairs and the national security council during the clinton administration. let me start with the question raised during last conversation if i could. where does this all end? i see it described as a tit for tat and when does the back and forth between u.s. and russia end as we see diplomats being expelled. >> nobody knows the answer to that question yet. it is clear we are now in a downward spiral with the u.s. and allies kicking out russians and the russians kicking out americans and europeans and closing the consulate in st. petersburg. it could get worse and my guess is it will get worse and because neither president trump or mr. putin are the guys that back down. they have thin skin and big egos. we are in a situation in which the president is saying, my nuclear arsenal is bigger than
your nuclear arsenal. so we are clearly in a bad place. and beneath the surface we have the syria crisis, the ukraine crisis, trump possibly pulling out of the iran nuclear deal. so this is -- this is looking like a situation where we could be going back to some pretty dark times in the relationship with russia. >> charles, i want to get your reaction to that nbc news report about that kraiukraine arms dead with javelin missiles and others and what nbc news is reporting, that the president isn't keen on his staff talking about that move. talking toughly about president putin. what does that say to you about the relationship? >> it says to me that president trump is still schizophrenic about his relationship with mr. putin. as a candidate and as a president during the first 15 month, he had only had good things to say about mr. putin
despite they are been in georgia and ukraine and helping assad gas and bomb his own people and they are all over the european elections and now good reason to believe they poisoned a former spy and his daughter in the u.k. and so you have to ask, what is going on here? why is president trump so reluctant to stand up to putin? and it makes one wonder, does putin have some good? does he know about collusion or financial worongdoing. and we doan -- don't know the answer to that. but it seems president trump has turned a corner in a sense he feels like he's being played by mr. putin. i think he is being played and ready to push back. but it is schizophrenic. why isn't he coming out and using more forceful rhetoric. he is still stuck in this no-man's-land when it comes to russia. >> what is your policy prescription if you were still at the nsc and giving advice to the president on this relationship, from a policy
perspective would you advise he do? >> i think that the united states has not been sufficiently strong when it comes to russia. and i'm particularly concerned about russian interference in western democracy. i think the russian threat from within is much greater than the russia threat from without. russia is a declining power. they're demon graphically on the way down. economically they don't hold a candle to the west but they've been very good at dividing americans against each other. the europeans against americans. we need to push back much harder on that front and in general on the kremlin's aggressive behavior. >> thank you very much. the senior fellow at the council on foreign relations. new details just released about the shooting death of stephon clark. a autopsy revealed the 22-year-old unarmed black man was shot a total of eight times. most were fired in his back.
>> six of the bullets, you could see in the body diagram exits gunshot wounds of entrance in the back. meaning he was shot in the back six times. the seventh gunshot wound was slightly to the side of his body but to the back of the side of his body. so you could reasonably conclude that he received seven gunshot wounds from his back. >> the sacramento countries coroner is yet to release the autopsy and tells nbc news it is currently waiting on toxicology results. the results of this independent autopsy come a day after he was laid to rest, two weeks after being killed in the backyard of his grandmother's home.
joe fryer is in sacramento. and we know he didn't receive any medical treatment might array and would that have made a difference in saving his life? >> well, david, the doctor didn't want to make a conclusive decision about that. what he said is that he believes receive stephon clark died from three to ten minutes after he was shot. we know clark did not receive immediate medical attention. so perhaps immediate medical attention could have helped but he can't conclude whether that would have saved his life. each one of the shots was independently fatal. now let's take a step back and look at what the doctor said about this autopsy. he said in all with the 20 shots fired toward clark, he said eight of them hit clark, all of them were either in the back or on the side. he believes the first shot was actually the one that sort of right here on the side near the armpit. he believes that clark was facing his grandmother's home at that time. that shot hit him and sort of
the propulsion flipped him around and the next six shots were behind them and then the ae eighth and final shot on his leg as he was falling or on the ground. so that is the conclusion dr. omalu has after taking a look at this. not that long ago this week the association that represents sacramento police officers, they said that the officers believed that clark was in a shooting stance and was pointing an oe-- pointing an object at them and the doctor said his findings dispute that. take a listen. >> the proposition that has been presented that he was assailing the officers -- that he was facing the officers is inan -- is inconsistent with the prevailing forensic evidence as documented at autopsy.
>> reporter: now if doctor omaulu sounds familiar, he is discovered cte, the disease affected a number of athletes. >> joe fryer in sacramento. thank you. up next, the growing bash lash to fox news laura ingraham attack on park labd shooting survive david hogg as companies pull their ads. after the break i'll be joined by alum, one of the brothers of the shooting survivors. ield. while this was burning, you were saving other homes. neighbors helping neighbors and strangers alike. - this is what america's about. - sometimes it's nice to see all the good that's out there. bringing folks out, we have seen it in community after community. your society was led by a woman, who governed thousands... commanded armies... yielded to no one. when i found you in my dna, i learned where my strength comes from.
earlier today a jury in orlando found noor salma not guildy on all charges. in june of 2016 her husband murdered 49 people and injured more than 50 others in the name of isis. it is the worst terrorist attack on american soil since september 11th. the 31-year-old face twod charges of aiding and abetting a terrorist act and obstructing justice. it took the jury more than 11 hours of deliberation to reach the verdict. it was revealed during the trial that pulse was not the original target as previously believed. instead it was disney world but a heavy police presence deterred the shooter and after a search
of nightclubs he chose pulse. sal man has been in the jail the last two years. a list of advertisering banning laura ingraham show is growing and including johnson&johnson and nestle and hulu. she criticized david hogg for not being accepted to several colleges. she tweeted this apology yesterday after several companies had already pulled ads. however she made no verbal apology on the show last night or make mention of the controversy. 17-year-old david hogg spoke to andrea mitchell today and made it clear he does not accept ingraham's policy. >> he only apologized after a third of her advertisers pulled out and in the same tweet she tried promoting her show at the same time and i found that
sickening. >> and he wants an apology after last month's shooter and far fox has not responded. >> i'm joined by matt diech and a graduate and in park land on the day of the shooting, picking up his sister celebrating a birthday and one of the volunteers helping with out reach and messaging for the march for our lives and never again movement. great to have you with us. and let's start with the tweet that kicked off all of this. i want to get your reaction to what laura ingraham had to say about david hogg and his college acceptances or rejections thus far. >> just the fact that she represents a news organization, i've been told she is a talk show host but she represents on a station that is news and she considers talking about my friends gpa as news when there are people dying every day in this country from gun violence and instead of taking on his policy stances, she goes to attack him personally. i think that is speaking volumes of the argument against us and we're just promoting unity and
love when she is promoting division and hate. >> what would you like to hear from her? how would you like to hear an apology from her? >> i would like her to start by being more objective and like her to start by promoting stories of the disenfranchise and like for her to not mud sling at children. we've had politicians and news anchors attack shooting survivors more than offering solutions to stop the massacres. so the type of apology i would like to see is use her platform for good instead of this diversion and hate. >> what is your reaction to companies that have pulled their advertising from her show, not all have done that. what do you make of them doing that in response to what your friend and former classmate david hogg tweeted? >> i think it is incredibly powerful. because it does speak they are here for the people. that we don't stand for this. that we need morally just
leaders at every section of our society. i mean, when i see advertisements for arby's or sleep number, immediately after her show where she's bashing -- shooting survivors, not just david talking about college and actually being vile toward us, those brands get tied in with that and that is not good for anybody brand. and i've had family members call and said this makes them physically sick. it is just -- it is gross to me that we are -- that people are not only funding into this, but that there are companies scared to react and i'm very proud of those companies like hulu and to name one and johnson&johnson for pulling out of supporting that because that is the only way we combat the hate is by standing together for this. >> you've talked about your mission going forward here. help us understand what the path forward is going to be like as you see it. i know ho i know how social media posted that and the companies pulled
those ads. what does it look like out in parkland. >> we're trying to empower the youth for things that don't make sense. we need common sense gun laws to ensure public safety. when they are talking about arming teachers or adding security wands to school, they are not talking about ensuring our safety. so what we're trying to do is empower young people to be active and like what we are doing. there is over a hundred town halls in the next week where people will question their local officials and getting moral stances on this issue. this is not a left or right issue, this is about saving people's lives and by making this the line in the sand we could see if our elected officials are standing up for us or the position and the people paying them to be in that position. and we need morally just leaders at every section. so we're just trying to get the huge to ri -- the youth to -- and we're going to keep engaging
communities from liberty city to parkland to chicago to detroit to newark, california. to get everyone active and to just make a change in this country. because we need substantial change to ensure our safety. >> thank you very much for the time. appreciate that. that is matt dietsh. >> thank you for having me. now back to the nbc news exclusive report regarding syria and the fight against isis. chief foreign correspondent richard engle is one of the authors of the report and joins me now. the by line on the piece is they talked to various commenders and what did they tell you about the status of the fight against isis? >> reporter: well, it is good news and bad news. so the good news is after four years in syria, a relatively small american footprint with local partners and kurdish led force has managed to deal an enormous blow to isis. if you remember, the isis so-called caliphate was a large state-like body that had 8
million people in it. the size of a small european country and had oil and terrorizing not only the people who live there but also was a space where isis was plotting and planning international terrorist attacks. now the isis safe haven has been reduced to two very small pockets. so all of that is good news and yesterday president trump said the mission in syria is nearly done. the american troops are going to be leaving there and leaving very soon. the mission against isis is over. but there is a problem. the problem is the allies that the u.s. has been working with, this kurdish led force are under attack and under attack by turkey. and they feel that the u.s. is leaving them high and dry. they feel that the u.s. is betraying them. actually many commanders i spoke to, u.s. commanders, feel the very same way. and it is not just an issue of betraying the people who have been working with us and they have spent -- given up 4,000 of
their men and women in the counter isis fight with u.s. troops. if we betray them, not only is that a moral stance, then there is the issue that who is going to be left to tight the remnants of isis and u.s. commanders worry about the betrayal and worry if there is a betrayal then the partnership will be destroyed and isis could come roaring right back. so although it is reduced to two small pockets, if there is no one there to fight those last two pockets, they grow. >> richard, what happened to the connective tissue between that battlefield and washington? you had brett mcguirk with responsibility for the issue of isis. he was making trips back and forth to the region. is this willingful is what i'm saying? has washington ignored this fight more than in the past or some sort of break down in communication about what commanders in the field need or
what they think about the fight going forward? >> reporter: well, i think this was a mission in syria, a -- you haven't been hearing a lot about the war against isis in syria. partly by design. partly because there has been so much other news in washington which i know -- i'm sure you know very well. but the reason that this hasn't been getting attention is that it is been going smoothly. the american special forces and special operations forces who are in syria have been relatively happy to be operating without too much interference from washington. they've been working closely with this kurdish-led force and they've been fighting battle after battle and they say they've -- in the last four years, they've killed roughly 65,000 isis fighters. so it is the secret and perhaps most successful war that most americans have never heard of. but now because turkey has started to intervene and turkey is attacking this kurdish-led
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welcome back. i'm david gura in for ali velshi. jeff sessions has directed the inspector general to investigate potential political bias in the bureau. according to a letter to senior republican lawmakers it was delivered last night. sessions stopped short of appointing a special counsel to investigate the matter. as some conservatives requested. this disclosure comes less than two weeks after the attorney general fired the fbi deputy director andrew mccabe just 26 hours before he was set to
retire. for more, i'm joined by frank figliuzzi and former assistant director for counter intelligence at fbi and national security analyst. and let's start with the memo yesterday. there had been calls for special counsel to be put in place. he said that is only something he would do under extraordina extraordinary -- circumstances. what do you make of the outline in the chair to the committees. >> we may see the first time that a attorney general could be a neutral advocate for justice as opposed to a advocate for the president. this required the wisdom of solomon keeping everybody happy and you can never keep all ha-- happy but he's allow the inspector general to do his job and oversee fbi conduct and proce procedures and name a well
respected prosecutor, a u.s. attorney in utah to look at how the fbi presents evidence to the fisa report. this stems from the carter page wiretap avonda wiretap from the affidavit and the republican and democrat republican memos but we learned the fbi did indeed alert the fisa court to the fact that christopher steel might be politically motivate and the dossier was paid for politically. so the attorney general did the right thing. he showed the wisdom of solomon for someone who up until now has wisdom that has not bourne any resemblance to solomon but done the right thing and we need to call that out as kudos to him. >> and your sense of the role of the inspector general. that was mentioned in the memo. aspersions have been cast including the president against the particular inspector general in tweets and comments. how strong is the integrity of
the office. >> i still it still maintains neutrality and -- and following the dismissal of andy mccabe, deputy director of the fbi, there are still lots of lingering questions about how that -- how that investigation of mccabe played out and the role that the fbi's office of professional responsibility played. remember the i.g. was saying fbi opr recommended termination. and we need to know the details of that. did they just hand the fbi opr the results and say give us a recommendation on what do you for lack of candor? which would have been, yeah, we fire people for lack of candor. or was fbi opr allowed to ride along and be present during interviews. so until we get the details of that i.g. investigation, i will reserve judgment on how effective the i.g. is but for now they are remaining neutral and the right party to
investigate fbi conduct. >> thank you very much. former assistant director for counter intelligence at fbi. david pecker may have used this friendship with president trump have built business ventures in saudi arabia. in july of last year, the chairman of american media incorporate which owns the national inquirer and dined with trump and those with ties to the saudi crown prince. word travels back to saudi arabia and signaled his powerful status in washington. for more i'm joined by two authors kate kelly and jim rittenberg and you talk about this long symbiotic relationship the president and david pecker back to 9190. what is it like? hoe close are they. >> they are close. some people may differ on how close. but close enough they were two guys that got to know each other well in new york in the '90s and
the inquirer always been on president trump's side when he was think being running he was there to ballyhoo it and then when the campaign kicked in there to take his side against certain rivals in the republican primary and finally the story that is really broken out now, though this was first written about about the wall street jurm in the final days of the campaign, a few days before election day, that in fact the inquiry bought and buried a story from a woman, karen mcdougal who alleges to have had an affair with the president. >> let's go back to the meeting in july in the white house. david pecker is there and he gets a plus one and he brings a friend businessman with him. what is the significance of his attendance at that meeting in the white house. >> he got a plus five or ten. he brought this business man named kasie grime a french citizen but with relationships in saudi arabia with elites like the prince who has positions in
lyft and other entities. so the significant of mr. grien, who has sort of come to the surface in the last year is one of the unique people who does as a broker between saudi and those looking for investments in the u.s. or perhaps europe or africa, is that he was sort of a connective tissue, in the process of being that and later would be for david pecker as ami searched for possible expansion into the saudi market with their business or even later perhaps a capital injection from a saudi arabiay entity into an acquisition. >> how does this complicate what we've seen over the last couple of weeks. the crown print made his way to united states and met head of can companies and traveled to silicon valley. how did that pave the way -- >> the white house is very into making him feel welcome.
that is an alliance that jared kushner, the president's son-in-law and the white house middle east envoy wants to foster and mr. pecker just ended up in the middle of the mix. let's take a step back and we don't do very much because there is too much news but here is the purveyor of the tabloid company in the white house with a saudi connected person and that built his cache in saudi arabia. and what we are not mentioning is the inquiry printed a nearly 100 page glossy -- >> i try to to find this. >> there are 12-00 thousand copies across the united states. very much celebrating -- the crown prince. so very interesting development which kicked up a lot of interests in washington and new york and elsewhere. >> the $14 magazine devoted to muhammed bin salman. and david peckers interest in saudi arabia and owns inquirer and men's journal and why does he have an interest in saudi
arabia. jared kushner interested in building relationship with the crown prince. what about david pecker and the -- >> well i think there are a number of possibilities for david pecker. but the ones we know of include a meeting that took place in saudi in the month of september last year between mr. grime, the deal broker and muhammed bin salman and at the table was an effort to expand ami to saudi whether through the sports events which includes a mr. olympia body building contest and then in the month of january this year, mr. pecker was exploring the possibility of purchasing the magazine time from mayeredith corporation ande apashly explored the idea of getting funds from a couple of different saudi entities. one would have been a government source and another would have been a saudi arabia corporation.
so those are the two examples. and the other thing to point out, at the dinner in july, with the guest list, we were told david pecker was given carte blanche by the president to invite five to ten people, business associates and their spouses. so this is really an unusual example i think of the white house being sort avenue place to treat as a destination for a close friend of the president as a favor. >> come one and come all. thank you very much. well up next, the epa is set to undo the obama era strict rules for cars to be cleaner and more efficient and this could pit the trump administration in a courtroom battle with california. that is after the break. (vo) more "doing chores for mom" per roll more "doing chores for dad" per roll more "earning something you love" per roll
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how lyrica affects you. those who've had a drug or alcohol problem may be more likely to misuse lyrica. with less pain i can do more with my family. talk to your doctor today. see if lyrica can help. welcome back. the epa is gearing up to roll back obama-era vehicle fuel efficiency standards as early as next week. the administrator scott pruitt a climate change skeptic will announce the rules are not appropriate according to reuters. last summer the president announced the united states would withdraw from the 2015 paris climate agreement. for more i'm joined by jake levin also policy adviser and attorney with covington and
burling where he advises clients on policy matters related to clean energy and the climb. let's start with the standards. they are heightened and made bigger by president obama and what was the thinking behind that. >> these were standards that allows consumers to save money at the pump and saved lives by reducing air pollution from cars an trucks and they underwent a long process in tandem with stakeholde stakeholders and the major auto makes, the epa and nhtsa and california to increase the standards and agree to a scheduled for continued regulatory proceedings through the year 2025. >> we're seeing this couched in regulatory language. this is onerous for auto makes and another example of the government too far when it comes to regulations. does any facet of this make sense to you, that this could be done by the administrator next week. >> the one thing that we haven't hearing about is the fact that
businesses and auto makers included need regulatory center and predictability in order to plan their business and compete on the global stage and this is a highly competitive market. we're seeing the auto market move towards electric vehicles and autonomous mobility. and this kind of reconsideration that the trump administration is now introducing is -- it really frustrates that kind of regulatory certainty and predictability that the obama administration worked so hard to deliver for the auto makers and for the whole auto technology community. >> jake, i know a lot of proud californians who think they are living in a country unto themselves. and this is where we should be looking. california has an awful lot ever sway as we talk about the prospects for a divided market. >> and it is important to distinguish between being an arbiter and being a leader on this. and here this is an area where california has led and it is an
area where they've led pursuant to their authority to do so under federal law. and we've heard a lot from administrator pruitt about how california is some kind of rogue state that is going way out of the bounds of their authority to set fuel economy standards. the fact is that the federal law, the federal filter act enshrined the authority for california to go above and beyond the federal standards, recognizing as congress has done repeatedly and in a very bipartisan collaborate way, that california has historically experienced extraordinary and compelling circumstances with respect to its air pollution and with respect to the way in which its air pollution harms its citizens. so right now california, are they at the table? yes. absolutely. but it is not like they are ruling by fiat and they are doing all of their work pursuant to their authorities to do that under federal law. >> that is jake levine. thank you very much. from the republican of california today.
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risks it posed to the public and seemingly downplays those risks. that new report comes as facebook makes changes to alter privacy settings. calls to founder mark zuckerberg to testify before congress are growing louder. with me now is nbc legal chief correspondent ari mel berg. let's talk about the memo and what it says about conversation culture within facebook. >> this came a day after there was a murder committed on facebook live in chicago. people were concerned about that because normal people who don't work at facebook thought that was a terrible thing. and then this memo comes out within a day from the senior person to zuckerberg and others saying, quote, we connect people. maybe it, quote, costs a life by exposing someone to bullies, maybe someone dies in a terrorist attack, coordinated on our tools. and it basically goes on to make the argument that while, quote, ugly this is a key part of what they do, it's good, it has to
continue they have to connect at all cost because they have to make money at all costs. you might be thinking that sounds terrible, let's leave it there, but it gets worse with the new statement from facebook. let me read this to you. sometimes we read their side of the story to reflect something about them that might help them. this maybe doesn't, but the viewers can decide for themselves. quote, this is by the person who wrote that. i don't agree with that post today. i didn't agree with it even when i wrote it. the purpose of the post was to bring to the surface issues i felt deserved more discussion. that from andrew bosworth is some kind of weird claim that the company just says things to each other that are not true in some sort of performance art. it's not credible and it's frustrating to people who see this company as so central to so many things, our democracy, our economy, and this is how they continue to defend themselves. >> you've been looking at the culture of facebook and the culture of cambridge analytica which has been in the news the last few weeks, talking to folks who worked at the company. what have you heard from them? >> this is what we're grateful
to. as reporters we're certainly on the outside looking in. i just taped and we're going to air for the first time a special on the beat at 6:00 p.m. tonight an interview with another cambridge analytica whistleblower. this is the firm that worked for the trump campaign digitally. she has a story to tell about that swlds facebook. here is one of the things she talks about in terms of facebook's culpability. >> our chief data officer said, we deleted the data sets that we were asked to delete. now, i find it incredibly irresponsible of facebook that they did not send anybody to come and check. that seems like a very simple piece of due diligence for a company that, until last week, was worth $500 billion. >> you think they didn't care? >> i think that -- incredibly irresponsible. >> irresponsible, exploitative. that's her view of how facebook dealt about the problem. we have more tonight. >> thank you for joining me.
tonight you can catch a special edition of the beat as he mentioned. facebook whistleblowers speak here on msnbc. critics say the rapid success of silicon valley companies entangle them in their own scandal. uber is one of those from sexual harassment to toxic internal work environment. it led to the ousting of the ceo travis kell nick and raise questions whether the company's rapid rise contributed to its failures. new yorker profile provides a glimpse, the company's new ceo has undertaken. he inherited 18,000 employees and operations in 73 countries around the world. there is a major question that could make or break his success as an uber investor puts it, how does he preserve the positive aspects of the cup tour and change the aspects in desperate need of changing while still competing fiercely. with me is the author of that profile sheila. let's start with the character
profile. how different is he? he's been on the job a few months. >> the biggest difference comes in their personality. part of the reason darcy was hired is he was an incredible communicator. he's good at calming people down. he cares a lot about diversity. he has a very powerful personal story. his family immigrated from iran when he was a child. he's incredibly accomplished. travis, on the other hand, you know, the corporate values he designed for uber kind of say a lot about him. always be hustling was one of his favorites. toe stepping, super pumped. he was a bit more of a macho hard charging guy, a big creative thinker, a kind of guy who is going to push his employees to do whatever it takes to get the job done without worrying. i mean he really felt he didn't have time to worry about little things like regulation ands human resources problems because he was trying to drive the company to world domination. that was his goal. >> so we have this new ceo
inheriting the company built by travis kalanick. i'm curious how much the company under darcy versus under travis how it's doing. we have a woman killed by one of the vehicles autonomously in arizona. this is a program i gather from your pierce dar was convinced didn't need to continue under his leadership. >> the company is spending enormous sums of money trying to develop autonomous vehicles. they are in a race with other companies like gm and ford. they see it as an existential threat if someone else develops this technology first. the auto companies are at risk of being put out of business. the other ridesharing companies are worried about being overtaken. they view it as necessary to their survival. now, of course, as we've seen with all these companies, these sill ill convalley firms have been allowed to grow very rapidly and we've largely left it up to them to worry about regulations, following the rules, making sure they do what's right, making sure they
treat people well. we are now realizing maybe they do not deserve to be given the ability to regulate themselves. they have not earned that trust from us at this point. >> he tells you in other words that the company he inherited was a mess. and i wonder just sort of what is going to be metric of success for him in this job. there was this lengthy report by eric holder former attorney general about the culture of the place. it was a mess. a former uber employee alleging sexual harassment issues while she was there. how much is it to right the ship? the huge valuation of this company, taking it public in a few years' time? >> the company expanded so quickly and it reached a peak of $70 billion in paper value, and the investors in this company want the company to go public. they want to see an ipo. and that's the only way they can really monetize their investment. so, dar's job is to get the company ready for that moment and that involves professionalizing it, bringing
in seasoned executives, bringing in a real chief financial officer. previously they had someone doing the job but he wasn't a real cfo so he has to clean it up and make it into a more traditional corporation. the trouble is it is in this very competitive business and he needs to do all that without losing the drive and the innovation that pushed it into this position of dominance in the first place. and that's very tricky. >> in the early days, yes. sheila, thank you very much. staff writer at the new yorker. that wraps up this hour for me. ali velshi will be back in the chair on monday. in the meantime you can catch me on twitter. "deadline white house" with nicolle wallace starts now >> hi, everyone.
it's 4:00 in new york. icing is in and public criticism of russia is still very much out. nbc news with extraordinary reporting about donald trump's third rail, cold rick lys about vladimir putin. quote, president donald trump's national security advisor spent months trying to convince him to sign off on a plan to supply new u.s. weapons to ukraine to aid in the country's fight against russian-backed separatists. when the president finally authorized the major policy shift, he told his aides not to publicly tell his decision because doing so might agitate russian president vladimir putin. quote, he doesn't want to bring it up, one white house official tells nbc news. it is not something he wants to talk about, this source says. this new reporting helps fill in the blanks around what trump watchers have coined the president's do not congratulate call. that one where trump, over the objections of his national security advis