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stephen colbert gets tonight's "last word." coming up retired four star general general discusses the present relations with north korea which starts now. tonight the mueller team strikes out of a scene out of a movie. a man gets off the plane at the logan airport and quickly surrounded and detained by the feds, questioned by the fbi about what he knows and then served a subpoena to talk with the special counsel. >> and more trouble back in washington. bad news for members of the cabinet after a week of still more white house departures. and fascinating new numbers are out, and you might be surprised to learn what kind of americans came out to march last weekend to demonstrate against gun violence. steve kornacki will break it down for us as "the 11th hour" gets under way on a friday
night. we're almost there and good evening once again from our nbc news headquarters here in new york on a friday night. day 435 of the trump administration, and as another week comes to an end there is a new figure at the center of the latest development tonight in the russia matter. our nbc news investigative unit reports earlier this week mueller's investigators detained, questioned and then served a subpoena to a trump ally named ted malic when he arrived at boston's logan airport from his home in england. he's a former advisor who has just finished a book called "the plot to destroy trump, how the deep state fabricated the russian dossier to subvert the president." in 2016 just days after the election she speak with the bbc about donald trump. >> i've been involved in the
campaign for over a year now. i think the media gets trump wrong almost constantly. i think the world would have been a safer place, the world would have grown, and i think there will be an interesting relationship between putin and trump as powerful world leaders. whether it's a bromance i think it's to be decided. but i think it'll be a much healthier situation. >> well, he got part of that right. it's an interesting relationship, at least. fast forward to his encounter this week at logan up in boston with the fbi. according to a statement malic e-mailed to nbc news, we'll quote here, two fbi agents told him he was being detain today answer questions related to the special counsel's investigation. he said they told him it was a felony to lie to the fbi and he
told them he would gladly cooperate. malloch added quote, whom i communicated with, whom i knew and how well, he said they asked him about roger stone, author jerome coursy and wikileaks. malloch said he told them he met with stone a total of three times and always with groups of people. he said he was asked if he'd ever visited the ecuadorian embassy in london, and he replied no. he also said the agent served him a subpoena from mueller's team that had been issued that day to appear for questioning on april 13th. earlier on this network former prosecutor harry litman put this into context.
>> it's this breathless kind of development that shows mueller's not thinking about the red line, the blue line the yellow line. he's just thinking about the finishing line and plumbing the depths of everything that is involved here, i'm sure to trump's great chagrin. we're back in taucom clancy territory. >> and just to recap here on a friday night, what we've learned on the russia front as we closeout another week it was reported that john dowd, president trump's former lead lawyer in this russia case spoke last summer with lawyers about michael flynn and paul manafort about the possibility of presidential pardons. we learned from a court filing one time trump campaign aide rick gates was in close contact with a associate tied with russian intelligence. and he was asked about contacts with the trump team and
russians, of all places the cleveland 2016 republican national convention. attorneys joe digenova and his wife backed out after saying they would represent the president. in exiting they cited conflicts as the reason. the two are also representing an important witness in the mueller investigation. former spokesman for trump's legal team named mark corollo. it's a lot and we turn to our lead off panel on a friday night. a "new york times" reporter, and matth matth matthew nussbaum. the terrible swift sword of the federal government when feds act, when you wince it, it is striking to watch. i can't imagine what it's like
to be the guy surrounded at logan, your phone is taken. what it's like to be the folks in that concourse that watched this go down. but it's never uninteresting in the mueller investigation. >> yeah, that's right. and the power of the federal government is very much on display here. look, i think what all these developments, these leaks show at least for me is that the question of collusion or conspiracy or whatever we want to call it is still very much in play as far as bob mueller's concerned. i mean he's asking about essentially contacts between or potential contacts between the trump campaign and wikileaks, which obviously we know was the vehicle that was used disseminate those hacked e-mails related to the dnc and clinton campaign. the fact he's asking about that still, we're going one year in, tells me he's absolutely not foreclosed the idea of collusion
or conspiracy between the trump campaign and russian intelligence operatives. so that is very much a live issue even as republicans on capitol hill are saying it's over and done with, he's got no evidence of collusion, let's not forget roger stone, we know he was in contact with the twitter account that say run by guccifer 2.0 which was a front for russian intelligence to disseminate hacked e-mails. >> i don't imagine mueller is going in order. i think he's shooting out of sequence. and when you think about it, papadopoulos, flynn, gates cooperating, this tangent brings us back to the campaign era along with some other developments this week. >> yes. so we're back in the campaign, and union if they are in fact
asking about julian assange, that does go back to that intelligence assessment that came out more than a year ago that said, you know, wikileaks was, you know, a venue to get these hacked e-mails out to the public via russia. and so as matt said, this is a live issue. this is ongoing, and i think the challenge thing with any one witness that you learn about or any of these little pieces is we don't see the whole picture. and mueller's team does, and we don't. and so it can be hazardous to read too much into any one data point along the way. >> and we've seen actually so little. and anyone who's had any contact with mueller on either side of the ball comes away saying he has everything, they have
everything. >> yeah. >> all right. matth matthew nussbaum, we keep reading reports that the president is comfortable in the job. the president is in florida, what could go wrong? the white house is functioning without a comms director, if press accounts are correct, a diminished chiefs of staff. >> i think that's hard to say. i think they were happy to make it to this weekend, this he'd weekend. the president and vice president are both out of town on vacation. and like you said what we're seeing from a lot of these staffing moves is that president donald trump is feeling a lot more comfortable to put together the team he wants. i think he's feeling a little bit emboldened. and the main thing to watch, i think, within the white house has been the departure of hope hicks. she was seen as someone that could talk with it president, had a relationship with him that no one else had and could sort
of tamp down some of these more reckless impulses and tendencies he had. and there's real concern within the white house with her departure he might be even more off message than in the past. couple that with john dowd leaving, who had urged cooperation with the mueller team, and you see a president maybe more emboldened to maybe push back publicly on this investigation, which everyone else in the white house knows is not a good news. >> because your paper gave us the story of the potential pardons, and we repeat it's not illegal to mention pardons on the president's behalf. it being the most awesome exercise of presidential power. it's illegal to dangle them as a potential use for lessening damage or softening a case. what was the most in your view
consequential single thing we learned this week, matt? >> these weeks all run together. john dowd, it was like what month did that happen? i think the story my colleagues broke about the dangling of a pardon is important because the white house has consistently said we're not talking about pardons. it's not on the table. and manafort and flynn, these guys don't have anything to give that's harmful to the president. and so the very fact that the president's lawyer is dangling this even if he was just doing this on his own shows there's at least some consideration going on, or there was some consideration going on about -- about what is our exposure here and what do these former senior advisers have to tell bob mueller, and is there a way to get ahead of that? and whether that's illegal, part
of an obstruction case, who knows at this point? but it certainly goes to the consideration that's going on inside the trump team. >> tamara, we're led to believe they're still looking for lawyers. imagine what it would be, say nothing of the client, but this is a mature apparently leading to the final stages case. there's so much catch-up work to do. the previous point, mueller's already seen everything so you're running behind by nature. question to you are sekulow and cobb enough to lead this effort? >> no. basically robert mueller's team are killers. i think that's what steve bannon called them. they are some of the best prosecutors that you can find in this country. they've been involved in everything from watergate to emron. and in jay sekulow you have
someone who he's argued a bunch of cases before the supreme court. he's best known for arguing on religious liberty not white collar defense. he does have some people working under him who we don't hear that much about who aren't the big names but who have been working on this case. and the thing with ty cobb in the white house, i don't think he sees himself as the president's lawyer. i think he sees himself more as a lawyer of the institution of the president danes and for the white house. and he sees his job more as facilitating a relationship with the office of the special counsel rather than being part of the president's defense team. >> matt apuzzo, you were agreeing with that. >> and i believe ty cobb does not represent the president personally, i actually think cobb and sekulow could probably
get through this next stage where the president has to negotiate some sort of interview with mueller. the question is who is going to do the lawyering at the next stage, of whatever comes out of this investigation, whether some sort of referrals, something further where mueller wants to do more in terms of the president personally or other white house aides, who's going to litigate that? and that's where you need both a constitutional lawyer and criminal lawyer. whatever comes next, they're going to need another lawyer. >> so matthew nussbaum, again to set the scene, the president in florida, we don't know what he's going to say, talk to, say on twitter. he gets back to washington sunday night. how is the trump agenda supposed to get pushed forward on monday with the staff anxiety over potentially more departures? what can you speak about the inside mood in this place you cover every day? >> well, i think there's a lot
of concern like you said about more staff turnover with these controversies at the cabinet level. people aren't really sure who's going to go next. there's really no legislative a agenda to speak of. i think it's seeing how trump operates that to some degree he's a bit unchanged now with hope gone and feeling more confident, and like he's fit for the job and he's ready in the job. i think seeing how he acts with a little less of a filter is injury much on the mind with everyone in the white house. and the fact he's had any filter so far is probably surprising to a lot of your viewers, but that is what hope hicks was for him. >> matt apuzzo, what's the one question you'd like to lob to sarah huckabee sanders during the next briefing that you'd actually like answered? >> that's a tough one. you put me on the spot. the problem is that, i'll be honest with you, brian, we
haven't consistently been able to rely on answers from the white house. and that's what's been really frustrating. you get denials like when it was reported that the president was preparing to fire the secretary of state. and there's outright denials, it's absolutely not happening and the president turns around and does it. at least for me covering this investigation i haven't really relied on the official podium statements. i know that's been a frustration for both my colleagues at "the times" and probably for every other journalist in the city. >> i know two estimates, who have done the study that a major figure departs every nine days in this administration. that is just an incredible rate of change. >> yeah, we have had about one a week for the last five weeks of really major big name departures, cabinet level, top
level, staff. it is the highest change in the echelons of white house staff. 48% have already departed according to perkens numbers. and that is double the rate of departures that happened in president obama's full first two years. and we're at 14 months. >> on this friday night our thanks go out to matt apuzzo, tamara keith, matthew nussbaum. really appreciate you guys helping out in our lead up conversation tonight. and a look of the volume of departures and the deeper meaning for the president and actually for our country. on this night when there are new headaches for donald trump when it comes to his cabinet back home. and then later the korean peninsula learning curve for president trump as he prepares to sit down with the dictator of the north. "the 11th hour" just getting started on a friday night.
i know that that's people. i know the best managers. i know the best deal makers. i know people that will make us so -- i know guys that are so good. i know the best people. we've got the best people. i have the best people. so we're going to get the best people. >> despite those mentions as you may have urd of the best people, thus far in just the month of march we have witnessed the departure of six administration officials including the secretary of state, national security advisor, comms director and the white house turnover
continues. new reporting tonight from "the washington post" sheds new light on the huge number of open positions in this administration that just haven't been filled. according to "the post," 387 of trump's appointees have been confirmed. compare that to 548 of the obama folks, 615 by the george w. bush folks by this time in their administrations. the responsibility of filling their positions falls largy on something called the presidential personnel office. but according to the "the post" the obscure white house office has suffered from inexperience and a shortage of staff, hobbling the trump administration's efforts to place qualified people in key posts across governments documents and interviews show. the article describes the office as something of a social hub where young staffers from throughout the administration stop by to hang out on couches and smoke electronic cigarettes.
it describes a night in january where they played a drinking game in the office called icing to sleberate the deputy director's holiday. icing involves hiding a bottle of smirnoff ice, and demanding the person who discovers it, in this case the deputy director, guzzles it. earlier on this network steve schmidt characterized the chaos in this white house in his own unique way during an appearance with nicolle wallace. >> from a personnel perspective we've never quite seen the assemblage of crooks, wife beaters, drunk drivers, complete and total incompetence that's been assembled. if you took the ten greatest hr
managers in the history of the world, put them together and said we want to form a 1927 yankees of incompetence, it's not possible they would have done a better job. >> the gentleman does have a way with words, doesn't he? share of journalist ethics at the pointer institute and jonathan allen, nbc news national political reporter, a veteran journalist himself. so jonathan, these are not the headlines you want. and just a reminder to all, steve schmidt is a republican. >> when aiohear fryou hear stev, but he's a republican. you go back in history and think about firing haulderman in april 1973, that's a huge moment.
you think about the saturday night massacre at the justice department a few months after that. every week in the trump administration is like the saturday night massacre. they're all gone now. so what are they being placed by? and the answer according to "the washington post" is nothing. there's a lot of open space there. it's not helpful for policy and certainly not helpful for the stability of it government and certainly not helpful for the way the united states appears overseas. >> vera, i first got to walk through the west wing in the late '70s and covering the place and visiting the place. the absent of noise is so striking. there's an intentional quiet and softness in the west wing. and the solemnity and solitude. >> first of all, i want to make
the point, brian, you have assembled the best people tonight to talk about this subject. >> there you go. >> so thank you for that. but i will say in the eisenhower office building where these drinking games that you described and the vaping were taking place with these 20-year-olds, some of whom two senior officials who seem to have gotten by according to this "the washington post" investigation clear out nepotism. one is college drop out with dui conviction and passing a bad check. another one is a former marine who's had all sorts of convictions for assaults. so you have to wonder about who are the people that they're putting in charge of looking for important government employees. let's not forget that what is the root of all this? the root is that president trump when he was still a candidate put crist christy, the then governor of new jersey in charge of his transition. and just a couple days after donald trump was elected he
booted chris christie. that vd have been a real signal to us what was to come if his head of transition was booted a couple of days after the election. so you just can't put together a transition team like this overnight. and what you're talking about is not only the most departures in the first year of an administration that we have seen in 40 years, but it is also the failure to even name people to new posts. so not only do we have rex tillerson, secretary of state, gary gary cohn, top economic advisor, h.r. mcmaster, the national security advisor. the list goes on and on of all these people lev leaving. but we don't have the trump administration more than a year in putting a south korean ambassador. and we're about to go into talks with dim jung un, the north korean dictator and we don't have a nomination for a south
korean ambassador. and some of these are self-inflicted wounds. they don't have the infrastructure to do that and make good calls and decisions. >> chris christie on this broadcast told the story of his departure. he hand over the structure and due diligence they had done, the work they had done towards the transition, and in his view they went in a different direction when he left. hey, jonathan, i'm going to read you the quote from "the washington post" about epa administerer mr. pruitt. scott pruts's housing arrangement during much of last year, they paid a lobbyist a modest sum each night for staying in a capitol hill condo she owned. it's generated scrutiny about the environmental protection agency administrator. scott pruitt has been in the news for the security detail and the extraordinary arrangements he has around him including but not limited to his desire to sit
in the pointy end of the airplane where the seats are wider. >> at least he's not icing anyone that we know of. >> there you go. no icing. >> look, this has been a problem for any number of the white house officials, the cabinet department officials. this short of -- this self-dealing, this comfort with the old ways of washington that president trump says he was going to cleanup. he said he was going to drain the swamp to the extent it's been drained, we're just seeing the crocodiles and alligators in there. a $1,500 a month apartment is not a bad price, but the arrangement he has with this lobbyist where he only pays her for the nights she stays there, i would love to have that with my bank on my mortgage. only on the days i stay there. i think it's going to be a problem going forward. i can't imagine the white house is happy to hear about this, and
i imagine we will hear about not only this but other cabinet officials with sort of self-dealing and being too tight with those who seek influence with that. >> and that promise to drain the swamp, trump has talked about the phrase it was not his. he said it was given to him but he didn't like it, but then he he said it at an event and the he kept saying it. but that was a promise made to his base. >> i'm so glad you brought that up, brian. because drain the swamp is something donald trump has owned. and not only is he not draining the swamp, we see again and again self-dealing is the perfect word. that could be the subheading of the trump administration, self-dealing. and it's not only the white house has tried to defend scott pruitt's apartment by saying this is friend and this is discount, this is lobbyist. if this was a fantastic friend
you would be giving it to them for free. the fact this is discounted deal, the conflict of interest is also about the perception of conflict of interest. and what is this secretary offering now either now or implied sweetheart deals. politico did a big investigate as well, and, you know, one of the things we've seen is this, for example, ryan zincy speaking of self-dealing, concerns about people of the interior department being asked to share information ahead of time, market valuable information about u.s. oil reserves and refusing to do that. i mean it is really troubling, and if donald trump wanted to drain the swamp he has not shown any one iota of evidence wanting to do that. in fact quite the contrary,
bringing in people, smacking of nepotism and self-dealing. >> as we've established, they are the best people to have this conversation on a good friday night. thank you both so much. coming up for us, what was president trump talking about when he talked about north and south korea to a union audience in ohio this week? and later some fascinating new numbers are out about the kinds of people who came out to protest gun violence a week ago tomorrow in d.c. and so many other locations. steve ckornacki will have the numbers at the big board. it's a big story to warrant that. "the 11th hour" back after this.
lots of news on north korea to catch you up on. first we had kim jong-un took his big green bulletproof train to china. then we had news that the north and south are going to meet. then today we saw tough new sanctions announced against north korea at the u.n. by ambassador nikki haley. meanwhile as planning continues for his own meeting with kim jong-un, president trump said some things in his speech in ohio yesterday about the north and the south that no one in power seems to understand. no one seems to know what he was talking about here. as you listen to this remember, north korea is a broken rogue dictatorship, south korea is our
ally. >> just this week we secured a wonderful deal with south korea. and i may hold it up until after a deal is made with north korea. does everybody understand that? do you know why, right? do you know why? because it's a very strong card, and i want to make sure that everyone is treated fairly and we're moving along very nicely with north korea. we'll see what happens. >> with us tonight retired four star u.s. army, a decorated combat veteran of vietnam, animist nbc military analyst with expensive knowledge of the korean peninsula, and back with us is a former senior analyst at cia and was in charge of this region while on the white house
national security council. general what was the president talking about there? >> well, it's hard to follow that. at the end of the day the south koreans, i remember the ambassador giving atatorial to us. the south koreans are our friends, a democracy. they're under great peril from a brutal cruel regime now armed with nuclear weapons. and other allies montana region, japanese, australians and others are equally terrified of the road ahead. that's what we're trying to solve. >> so is it a particular challenge dealing with a president with no institutional history, readily admits he's not been boning up on the history of the presidency, world matters prior to this job. if someone tosses off a mention ofloid booker and the pueblo during their talks he is not likely to get that reference.
>> you're absolutely right, and i think this is real problem. and this speech you just mentioned, we can't make any sense of this. i mean is he giving south korea our ally and north korea our adversary confused? why is he putting our trade issues with our ally with the security issues, linking it together? at a critical time like this when we are trying to get all hands on deck trying to solve north korean crisis, we need to have close coordination with our ally, south korea. to concert animosity with our ally in a key moment like this, i can't make sense of it. >> so what do you make of the trap trip to china? here's a guy who's been educated in europe, but since he's been leader he's not left the country but by this big bulletproof train. >> this is significant. i think this is all part of the charm offensive phase he's on, starting with the new year's editorial address and then the
whole olympic outreach to south korea, sending an north korea delegation to olympics and now meeting with xi jinping. and i understand he'll potentially meet with putin and abe, the prime minister of japan. i think this is all to break international pressure against the kim regime. so it really makes sense from kim's perspective to go to china and meet with president xi jinping. north korea is still patron, ally and so on. and of course xi jinping doesn't want to be side lined either. it makes sense from xi jinping's perspective and kim jong-un's perspective to have this meeting. >> general, what would your goal be? how would you be watching all of this differently other than wanting all of your men and women to get home alive? >> well, i do think there's a
commitment, certainly on the part of secretary mattis and the pentagon to dialogue, a diplomatic economic covert action in lieu of threatening little rocket man with potential nuclear attacks. so i think the notion of talking to the north koreans, the south koreans are relieved. they were worried about what president trump might do, so are the japanese. the u.s. armed forces are an enormously powerful institution. over 2 million men and women. they're actually getting prepared to fight if the united states or our regional allies are attacked. that's their sole mission. and i think they are leaning forward now without any overt planning, getting ready to back up diplomacy with hard military power. >> talk to me finally about a point you made a few weeks back about kim jong-un's sister going to the olympics and the coverage and interest she generated in south korea. we have no understanding for that here. >> no, i think kim jong-un's
sister i think first of all she's the most trusted family member and advisor to kim jong-un. she put a human face to this totalitarian regime. so i think in terms of kim jung-un trying to have this huge makeover, she was very useful in that regard. she represented the north korean delegation going to the south korean olympics. and she was hugely popular and well received in south korea. again, she put a human face in to north korea. >> our great thanks on a friday night. we really appreciate any time we can have you both on. thank you so so much. coming up nearly a week after the march for our lives, what we're learning about who was there in the march, who's become part of the movement, what it may tell us about politics n age of trump, that and more when we continue along the way. you wouldn't accept an incomplete job
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just a week ago tonight we were in washington. we originated our broadcast there on the eve of what became the march for our lives. what happened that next day was beyond our ability to predict and beyond the organizer's wildest dreams. the satellite imagery of washington, d.c., those are people through the middle there, showed a crowd larger than the population of washington, d.c. and well beyond washington, from new york to l.a. in cities and towns and hamlets across this country, from that matter around the world, people came out to demonstrate against gun violence. what brings us back to the subject almost a week later is this. we've learned a lot more about the kinds of people who came out to protest last weekend and who better to crunch these new numbers than our own national political correspondent steve kornacki at the big board for us tonight? steve? >> all right, thanks, brian.
you've got seas of people last weekend around this time. 4 million in washington around the country. the march for our lives if you were there, if you watched it on television, if you read about it, you might have looked at all those people and wondered who there are they, what brought them there, what is it going to mean for politics? a study was done writing a book, she basically did a demographic and political profile of who was marching. here's some things we thought it was and wasn't and things it actually was and wasn't. how about this, we thought maybe this was a partisan uprising, a bipartisan uprising? it was really about one side of the political spectrum. almost eight in ten identified themselves as left leaning. you know where they are politically. how about age? certainly what triggered this
was that massive casualty down there in florida. there were some young folks. there were some teenagers, some high school age and younger there. but the average age, this was squarely middle age, 49 years old was the average age of participants. this was a surprise to me. according to this study, 70% of the marchers there in d.c., women. and also very well educated. almost three out of four, at least a bachelor's degree from college. so female, very educated. and how about this? this one surprised me, too. is this your first protest or have you protested before? only 27% had never protested before. you flip that around, the vast majority according to this study had protested before. what does that tell us? that tells us the way to think about the march for our lives last weekend is not just an isolated event about guns. this is bigger story. about activism on the left in
the trump era. these are folks who turned out not just for this but other action during the trump era. they were very well educated, female, on the left politically. what we're seeing here maybe is the face of the democratic party at the grass roots level in the era of trump. women college educated, middle age. through the march for our lives last weekend, and who knows where it's going to go forward, brian. >> steve kornacki tonight with some fascinating numbers on this 100% student fueled social movement. steve who is still playing with a hard paw we appreciate it very much. another break coming up. a look at what happened this week while we were distracted by some other stories when "the 11th hour" continues. unless my hands are dirty. between running a business and four kids, we're busy. auto insurance, homeowner's insurance, life insurance policies.
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stormy daniels, the russia news, all of them big stories granted. they're also big distractions for us in the news business and tend to take all of our time and attention. there are three cabinet-level stories that didn't make the front pages or our broadcast this past week so let's go back over them. we start with another rollback of an obama policy, this time targeting climate change. an announcement will detail cuts to emission standards, which require car manufacturers to reduce carbon dioxide and increase fuel efficiency further. scott pruitt, head of the epa, frames this as a way of making vehicles more affordable. it is one way of describing what is otherwise a big win for the auto manufacturers and for the fuel industry. some states like california tend to keep current standards in place. theirs are the strictest in the
country and have been. next secretary of the interior is caught apologizing of a ceo of a mining company. video of a listening session of secretary ryan zinke shows his apologizing on behalf the united states after the ceo complained about permit restrictions. the last company that guy ran a company that cost the government tens of millions to clean up pollution and is considered a bad actor in the eyes of the u.s. government officially. and at the department of housing and urban development, the new york city reports under ben carson, hud scales back fair housing enforcement, citing 20 current department officials say the move is meant to roll back the obama administration's attempts to reverse decades of
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last thing before we go tonight, roughly 35 million americans are irish-americans, way more than the number of irish in ireland, a nation of only about 4.5 million people. we close tonight with an item about our brothers and sisters on the other side. we are thinking of the irish on this historic good friday night. that's because of this -- pubs have been closed on good friday in ireland since 1928, no alcohol served, no exception, that is until today. pub owners proudly put out their signs and declared their establishments open for business
and while the idea of a breakfast pint doesn't exactly appeal to everybody, we did hear from some happy customers. >> i went to england ten years ago, i've come back and everything's changed. good friday in my day you had to eat fish, go to the chapel, no rule in the pub drinking. >>i've never known a good friday where there was alcohol sold. there's children probably born today that will never know one without. it's kind of fun to come in in a morning like this. this is my first pint at this time of the morning. it should feel unnatural but it doesn't really. >> i think good friday was always a big day for parties, now that we're allowed, people might actually take it a bit easy today. could turn into something. >> do you think that the ban was lifted on good friday? >> i definitely do. i think it's about time we had separation of church and state. >> interesting last point there
about separation of church and state in a country almost 90% catholic. one pub owner said close to half a million people steam into dublin every weekend. by his thinking, why deprive good friday visitors of a good visit to a iconic friday pub? that is our broadcast. thank you so much for being here with us. whatever your persuasion, we wish you a good weekend. good night from nbc news headquarters in new york. tonight on "all in" -- >> we're going to end the government corruption and drain the swamp in washington, d.c. >> new allegations of corruption from the swamp of donald trump's creation. >> you're right about the swamp. say it again. >> tonight what looks like the most egregious abuse today from a member of trump's