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game. and played well. helping chicago win the game. way to go. that wraps it up for us this hour. i'm richard lui. stay with us throughout the evening for breaking news. follow me on facebook, instagram and twitter. let me know what you think. all in with chris hayes starts now. >> tonight on "all in." >> we're going to end the government corruption and we're going to drain the swamp in washington, d.c. >> new allegations of corruption from the swamp of donald trump's creation. >> you're right about the swamp. say it again. >> tonight, what looks like the most egregious abuse to date from a member of trump's cabinet. plus, why robert mueller's investigators detained a mystery trump ally at an airport this week. new reporting on the drinking games inside the white house personnel office. examining the trump fence. in thing 1 thing 2. >> it's not a fence. it's a wall. as advertisers pull away from a fox news show.
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>> they believe the bully and must be held account credible. >> what is with all the vitriol aimed at parkland shooting survivors. when "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. it looks like the climate change skeptic that donald trump installed to lead the epa scott pruitt, took a bribe from the wife of a top energy lobbyist who gave him a sweetheart deal on a condo where he lives for six months last year. it's precisely the sort of ethically objectionable arrangement that the president promised to eliminate when he took the white house. instead of draining the swamp as he promised to do over and over, trump filled his cabinet with swamp creatures like steve mnuchin and ryan zinke who spent public money for unnecessary and lavish travel and ben carson for allegedly using his office for his son's private gain and tried to order a $31,000 dining room set for his office.
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the swampiest is pruitt who now leads the epa, the agency he sued 14 times when he was oklahoma attorney general and who is now on the verge of rolling back rules requiring cars to be cleaner and more efficient. pruitt is supposed to fly coach when he conducts government business but he's taken dozens of domestic and overseas flights supposedly for security reasons though the threat turned out to be passengers shouting at him what he's doing to the environment. that's the beginning. the epa spent nearly $43,000 to install a soundproof phone booth in his office and pruitt somehow managed to go through more than $120,000 in public funds last summer for a single solitary trip to italy. now, that cost is due in part to the 24-hour roughly 30-person, you heard me right, 30-person security detail pruitt insists
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he needs, which is far in excess of the security for past epa administrators in which senator sheldon whitehouse says he also used on nonofficial trips to disneyland and a rose boll game. his latest ethical breach first reported by bloomberg and abc news. >> when he first move the to washington, he lived in this apartment, the owner the wife of a personal friend. a top energy lobbyist who has multiple clients doing business with the epa. pruitt reportedly paid $50 a night to rent only one room in this two-bedroom apartment, far under market value. similar apartments go for $6,000 a month. sources tell abc news he used the entire unit and his daughter a white house intern at the time stayed in the other bedroom free of charge. >> now, pruitt was getting the sort of deal that many people could dream of. a fancy condo in a prime location where he could keep his stuff yet only pay for the nights he slept there. that's a good arrangement. oh, by the way, his daughter
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could stay in the other room for free and all of that for the low low low price of $50 per night. compare that to say this cozy room which journalist brian buttonler which cost more than what pruitt paid in an apartment he would have had to share with someone other than his daughter. in a statement a spokesman cited aid finding by an epa ethics officer which was apparently dated today, the day the story broke, to argue there's nothing to see here. "demonstrator pruitt's housing arrangement for himself and family was not a gift and consistent with federal ethics regulations." tonight there's another odd twist to the story. last year, pruitt's security detail broke down the door of the condo when it was believed he was unconscious and needed to be rescued he was reportedly discovered waking up from a nap. a personal nightmare of mine. epa used public money to reimburse the condo's owner for the damage. joining me now with more is jennifer is energy environment reporter at bloomberg news. a great piece of reporting.
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so you've got this it looks like a sweetheart deal, not a fair market deal that the administrator is taking advantage of. then on the other side, there's business that the lobbyist in question has before the epa that connects to a trip he took to morocco, is that right. >> right to some degree. one of the lobbyist clients is shanir energy, really the first company that was exporting liquefied natural gas out of the united states and last december, pruitt took a trip to morocco to tout the benefits of u.s. liquefied natural gas. it's important to note the will you beist in question has said he didn't actually lobby epa and the energy department is the agency that is controls lng exports. that's one of the reasons the trip was curious because it was a little odd to see administrator pruitt being the ambassador for natural gas. >> just to be clear, the argument is look, this isn't in the epa purview.
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it's an energy issue. we lobby them. why is he taking the trip to morocco to extol the virtue of american liquid natural gas? >> that's a real question that we still don't have a good answer to. maybe it has something to do with this or something to do with his general interest in domestic oil and gas. certainly pruitt is kind of on the president's front lines to embrace american energy. >> there's a memo epa from a deputy general counsel to the general counsel that exonerates pruitt and says it's fair market value and as such, everything is on the up and up. the thing odd about this is the memo is dated today. >> right. so one of the interesting things about the story, there was no prior review or indications there was any review of this living arrangement. perhaps the administrator never thought it was a problem or would cause challenges down the road. it wasn't submitted to ethics
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officers till the news broke by abc yesterday. it was at that time that ethics officials were briefed on the details of the arrangement. epa staff had to go get some of the documents in question, the lease and the canceled checks and so it was then there was this review that culminated in the memo released today. >> there's reporting from cnn at this hour that the white house is frustrated with epa's pruitt for the apartment controversy and pruitt's goose is cooked. do you have anything how this is being received at the white house. >> we're hearing that white house officials all the way up frankly to the president are frustrated by what they see is kind of an unforced error. they're frustrated by the bad headlines here especially coming on the back of so many other controversies. not just those involving administrator pruitt. that said, pruitt is still one of the folks that trump most
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regards or most highly regards in his cabinet. he is this crusader for the environment deregulation and climate change deregulation this president wants. his star still shines in some corners of the white house but there is definitely a sense of frustration over there. >> jennifer dlouhy, thanks for being with me. >> thank you. john podesta is chair of hillary clinton's 2016 campaign and worked as counsellor to president obama and was chief of staff for president clinton. he just wrote an op-ed called enough is enough, scott pruitt needs to go. mr. podesta, you wrote that before the news about the condo deal. let's start with the condo deal and work backwards to what you wrote in the op-ed. do you think that scans ethically to you? >> of course not. i think the more we learn about it, the worse it looks. i accused him of being in bed with the lobbyists. now we know the lobbyists were renting him a bed at a discounted rate.
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he was getting a condo at below market rate. they cooked this thing up to pretend they were only renting him his bedroom. now we know his daughter stayed in the condo, as well. and you know, it's not bad enough that that looks sleazy, mr. pruitt spent $40,000 of our taxpayer dollars to fly first class to morocco to support the export of natural gas which he has nothing to do with it but the husband of the lobbyist who owns the condo is a lobbyist for the largest gas terminal exporter in the united states. the only one at the time he went there. so the whole thing stinks. and more importantly i think pruitt has done a horrible job protecting the environment and protecting public health. the issue i had focused on was his decision not to ban over the recommendation of his staff a very dangerous agricultural chemical that causes brain
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damage in children. he's just a mess. i think it's time for him to get out of there and for him to be replaced. >> where does he rank to you in this administration? i mean, there's obviously been a lot of folks in different cabinet agencies who either have had real ethical issues or seem to be sort of at war with the actual agency they're running. where is pruitt in that list? >> well, you know, i think he is very high maybe tops the list of people who both have ethical challenges, have abused taxpayer dollars but also as i said, have taken and turned upside down the mission of their agency. and i think that really demonstrates the conflict he has that he's working for the polluters and lobbyists rather than for the american public and you know, particularly for the health of the american people and particularly children. so you know, it's some have had ethical challenges.
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some have done things that were really untoward not in the public interest. pruitt exemplifies the you know, place where the beams cross. >> so are you surprised, not surprised by his ability to endure? tom price you know, had a sort of down fall over the amount of travel he was doing. pruitt has done lots of travel, racked up real costs first class, $120,000 to italy, $40,000 flight to morocco. the condo deal. he's at war with his own administration he's running. how has he been able to survive? >> the one thing you have to say about pruitt, from his days as attorney general, he's a man on a mission. and he's been effective at trying to tear down the protections that epa has put in place to protect the environment and to protect people's public health. and that was something i guess
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that is approved of in the white house. so whether it's the now the new attempt to try to roll back auto emission standards which will cost consumers literally billions of dollars and expose more kids to the risk of asthma or whether it's his reversal on the clean power plan or whether it's you know, his decision not to ban this dangerous agricultural chemical, i guess he's doing what the president wants him to be doing. and if you have to give him some grudging credit, he's somewhat more effective at it than someone like ben carson or some of the other cabinet officers. >> i think that's probably right on the money. i have to ask this finally. obviously, you were on the clinton campaign and you ran against donald trump who relentlessly attacked hillary clinton and people in the clinton circle for being corrupt, for self-dealing, for the swamp, et cetera. what is it like to watch these
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kinds of stories come out where literally the head of the epa is renting apparently below market condo from an energy lobbyist and remember those attacks during the campaign? >> you know, look, i think trump has always been someone whether in business or in politics as someone who says one thing and does exactly the opposite. you know, he stiffs his contractors. he stiffed his workers and now he's stiffing the american people. so his idea, if this is his idea of draining the swamp, i think all of washington is going to drown in it. >> john podesta, thank you for making some time. >> thanks, chris. >> with me former governor christie todd whitman. as someone who had this job, does this arrangement that he was renting from the wife of an energy lobbyist, is that okay, is that kosher? >> of course not.
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we did everything to make sure there was a good distance between me and anyone who had business before the agency. we were very careful if there was certainly lobbyists would never have a personal, that kind of a personal not relationship because maybe you know them outside of their lobbying times. but this kind of thing where you're renting an apartment and clearly getting it for less than market value. you wouldn't put yourself in that position and you wouldn't have meetings. i never was allowed, i talked to my chief counsels and my counsels, the chief came from new jersey with me. and we said if someone has an issue before the agency, you don't meet with them. you have to be careful about that. you can meet with business, of course, when they have generalized things. but if they have a spec issue where the agency, the administrator has to maintain some form of separation so that you can be an honest judge when the issues come forward. >> i keep wanting to ask someone who had the job before and i have you here now about all these things i've seen. i don't know.
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i've never been the administrator of the epa. but a 30-person security detail 24 hours seems like a lot to me. am i wrong? >> yes. i had two. i didn't have 30 with me full-time when he was governor. had you four who traveled with you and two that went ahead and somebody at the house. but you never traveled with that many. and i certainly never had a private phone booth put into the office at epa. there is a room downstairs at the agency that is totally soundproof if you need to be in that kind of a situation. but there's so many things that are just counter to what the agency is about and what really worries me is the damage being done for all of us to all of us. just john podesta mentioned tail pipe emissions rolling that standard back. it makes no sense from a financial point of view because most of the auto companies have already planned for that. >> they've already done it. >> they've already done it. a lot of utilities are
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encouraging people to move to electric cars. but we know that he studies show that some 300,000 people a year in this country die from dirty airborne related causes. do you really want to make that worse? it just makes -- the agency is about protecting public health and the environment. and i'm all for take a look at regulations. there's some that have outlived usefulness. new technology has superseded the kinds of things required. this is mindless. anything that had anything to do with barack obama, it's gone. good, bad, indifferent. we don't care. it's going to do real damage down the line. that's so troubling. > should pruitt have to go? >> well, i don't know who he would come in his place. that's the only trouble. he's certainly doing what the president wants him to do. no question about that. he would have gone long since because there have been enough stories with the travel and all sorts of stuff. he's not the energy lobbyist and yet acted like that on many occasions.
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i think he believes in what he's doing, absolutely. i believe the president believes in what he's doing. so he'll probably stay there and i don't know that you get someone else that would take a different tact with this president. >> christie todd whitman, that was illuminating. > you're welcome. >> next a surprising development in the mueller probe today. another trump ally reportedly detained and investigated at the airport. tonight he's telling nbc news what investigators wanted to know. we'll give you those details in two minutes. what are you supposed to do? drive three-quarters of a car? now if you had liberty mutual new car replacement™, you'd get your whole car back. i guess they don't want you driving around on three wheels. smart. with liberty mutual new car replacement™, we'll replace the full value of your car. liberty stands with you™. liberty mutual insurance.
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>> if you're having a hard time following all the threads in the mueller investigation, i have bad news for you. there's a new character in the investigation. i present it out ted malloch, a professor, an informal adviser to the trump campaign, big booster. today he told nbc news he was detained by the fbi at boston's logan airport on wednesday after a flight back from london that he was served a subpoena from the special counsel's office.
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also, questioned on the spot in the airport. malloch said agents asked him about roger stone and whether he ever visited the ecuadorian embassy in london where julian assange lived since 2012. he says agents searched his cell phone and he plans to appear for further questioning april 13th. for more on another new character, here's harry lipman, department of justice lawyer. first of all, how common is it to do this move where you grab the person as soon as they land at the airport? >> yeah, and you have an order already to capture his cell phone. they had totally done their homework. they said they knew he was a big fan of the philadelphia eagles. and then they begin to hit him with all these questions. it's not uncommon. you want to initially question somebody when they are off balance. but it's going to be coupled with of course, the grand jury subpoena.
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and what's significant, chris, you know, you're right. it's a new thread. you pull that thread, we have a whole other chapter here, and i don't think malloch will turn out to be a huge part of the probe but remember what we find out from about the probe is only what witnesses or defendants let us know. and here we have malloch who goes right toy fer raj and cambridge analytica and roger stone. it's this breathless kind of new development that shows you know, mueller is not thinking about the red line, the blue line, the yellow line. he's just thinking about the finish line. and plumbing the depths of everything that is involved here. i'm sure to trump's great chagrin. we're back in tom clancy territory with a very rich complicated brew centering around the 2016 release of the wikileaks documents. >> that's what struck me.
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i mean, we've got the reporting yesterday that from a single anonymous source over at cnn gates was told when they were seeking his cooperation, we don't need you for manafort. we have him. let's talk about russia and the trump campaign. this guy says yeah, they're asking me about roger stone, about wikileaks. that indicates to me they are on the scent of the thing in question, was there collusion, was there is cooperation, did the two entities work with each other. >> completely. as you say about gates, we thought he was there to stitch up manafort. now we have reason to think it's all on the collusion side of things with manafort and others. he was involved with this so-called person a who is constantine clip nick who was a russian spy operative. we're down in the muck of russian collusion big-time. and again, we only learned the parts of the elephant that individual witnesses tell us but
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we know from these pieces that mueller is very focused on the whole 2016 mess. >> i think that's right. i think you talk about the parts of the elephant, right in the fable of the blind man with the elephant, that that's how we're seeing the mueller investigation. i'm struck george nader for instance who was also caught in an airport, i hadn't thought of him as a key part of it. but when you start to look into it, it's like he might it be another sort of transmission vector here. it makes me wonder about the scope of this thing in terms of what we see and what they see. >> to the extent you wonder, i would assume that it's broad. malloch is a guy how turns around and starts talking. i'm sure there are other people who get a lawyer and go to the grand jury or fight it. there's so much we don't know even about whom they are speaking with.
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and beyond that, what they're investigating. again, i was really struck but how they had done their homework. this guy comes off the plane and they've got him chapter and verse. and very much, the only reason to focus on this fellow is because of his ties to the whole chapter of wikileaks and julian assange and russia collusion and that's a whole kettle of fish there. >> harry lipman, thank you very much. >> thank you, chris. >> coming up, the remarkable lengths the president will go to to avoid having to personally fire anyone and what we're learning tonight about the drinking games being played inside the white house. ange whiy cause trouble with recall. - learning from him is great... when i can keep up! - anncr: thankfully, prevagen helps your brain and improves memory. - dad's got all the answers. - anncr: prevagen is now the number-one-selling brain health supplement in drug stores nationwide. - she outsmarts me every single time. - checkmate!
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you spoke to him. he made no mention of the fact that he was about to terminate you? >> that's correct. >> and then you found out via tweet. >> yeah, right before that, the chief of staff kelly gave me a call which i appreciated, gave me a heads-up. and so -- but that was much after the phone call. >> last night on the show, former veterans affairs secretary david shulkin made a stunning revelation. he said he spoke to the president on wednesday the same day he was fired and there was no mention he was going to fire shulkin. later the president fired him with a tweet and announced he would tap his own doctor to replace him. not only does the president seem to have a problem for what he became famous for on tv but the office responsible for vetting some of the personnel suffers from short comings some of the most pronounced in memory. a former director of appointments in the governor's office, chris lu, former secretary of labor in the obama white house who worked inside
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the white house for years and betsy woodruff from "the daily beast". tara, this is not a new thing but it just is amazing to me the guy who became famous for saying you're fired cannot do it no matter what. he was clearly teed up in that conversation to just say the words to david shulkin you're fired and can't do it. >> and he wasn't even face-to-face. they were on a phone call. it's easiest to do it that way. here's the thing. i own a small business. unfortunately, i've had to let two people go in the course of operating my small business. and i will tell you, even when it's for cause, it is extraordinarily difficult. but that's what leaders do. >> i mean, there is no one -- by the way i will just say, i talked to someone last night who has a good sense of trump's personality. and said he hates personal conflict. that is extremely relatable. the fact that he can't pull the trigger to fir anyone weirdly one of the more endearing qualities of the president.
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chris, this speaks to a broader problem which we are seeing from rob porter to the ethics problem in all the different agencies to the people who keep finding had andrea kosinski keeps finding things in their background. they had racist facebook posts. there is a quality control problem with people in this white house. >> yeah, you know, chris, staffing a government is serious work. and it needs serious people. and this remarkable piece in the washington post that looks at the white house personnel office shows they don't have enough people doing this job. they're too inexperienced and haven't been vetted themselves. there are people who work at the personnel office who themselves have inflated their own resumes and have arrest records. so donald trump can blame senate democrats all he wants for the fact that he doesn't have people in place. but this is his own personnel office that is falling down on the job. >> here's another excerpt from
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that washington post piece. the ppo office is on the first floor of the eisenhower executive building became something of a social hub where young staffers from the administration stopped by to hang out and smoke electronic cigarettes. betsy what, did you make of that piece? >> i was reached out to by a former trump administration official who was outraged about it and in particular was very irate about one detail that comes in towards the end of the piece. this is the detail of katia bullock, special assistant to the president, in four white houses. this is the fourth one she's worked in. she's a veteran and knows how it works. four of her relatives have all gotten plum administration positions during this administration. she says she had nothing to do with it. source i spoke to said they believe that's impossible. these positions that bullock's relatives got are great jobs and come with the same quality of health care comparable to the president's quality of health care. frequently people who get these jobs get security clearances
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which can be worth tens and hundreds of thousands of dollars of income after you leave the administration. those are really valuable. these jobs come with generous salary packages. to have four of your family members get jobs like that in an administration when you are in a position that involves hiring people is something that my source told me would have resulted in congressional hearings if it was happening under a democratic administration. my source is a diehard republican. this is a former trump administration official who said if it was a democratic president and we were getting this story, there would be hearings. >> that is remarkable. it speaks to the fact as far as i can tell, and i know people that worked in the obama administration. >> right. >> there is no vetting being done whatsoever. i honestly think no one -- just basic vets the kind you used to when you were running the boards and commissions office for the governor of new jersey. >> we would do three-way background checks on people and four-way background checks on people.
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for people we didn't do collection on, they would have to fill out the judiciary questionnaire which by the way a lot of people trump nominated lied on their questionnaire and literally faced no repercussions. even if you are being vetted and given the paperwork of being vetted, no one's checking what they're putting. when they're being caught, there is no mechanism from congress or leadership from congress to hold anyone accountable. >> how did it work in the obama administration, chris? >> it didn't work like this. we had a professional operation in presidential personnel. the trump people have about 30 people there. we had multiple times that. we had people that had experience running large organizations and we took it seriously. one of the amazing statistics, are over 200 key positions in the trump administration for which there is no nominee. there's no drug czar. the president's going to meet with the north korean leader. there's no ambassador to south
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korea. he added a controversial question to the census. there's no census director. there are real consequences when you're not filling these jobs. >> one more piece of color, betsy, from that piece in the "washington post" what the personnel office is like in the white house. january, the folks in the office played a drinking game in the office called icing to celebrate the deputy director's 30th birthday where you walk up and give him a smirnoff ice that is four or five years old. not to be petty. >> i thought it was a new thing. we didn't play that when i was in college. it made me feel like an old person. >> it gives you a sense of what the operation is there. i guess i wonder as someone who reports on this white house, what is your general sense of what the level of competence is generally in that place? >> it's not great. part of the reason is trump has sent a message from the top down that the only thing that really matters is loyalty to donald trump. >> right, right. >> and competence is not
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necessarily part of that. we know from the early days of the transition, there were signs in the transition team office that said never trump equals no job. if you eliminated everyone who said they were a never trump republican which is what this administration did, you eliminate a vast swathe of the washington republican establishment. okay, that's what trump campaigned on. great. guess what, the washington republican establishment includes a lot of lawyers who would have been the doing the legwork of vetting people to get jobs in the administration. all those resources were tossed out the window and the result is that you get a bunch of people who while loyal are not necessarily super duper experienced. >> walking around vaping and icing each other. i want to play this last bit of sound from carl higbie. he's someone who got a job over at the mayor core agency. he got through vetting. this is the kind of thing, this is just an example of the sorts of things this guy is on the record saying. >> the culture that is breeding this welfare and the high percentage of people on welfare
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in the black race, it's a lax of morality. >> i have somebody who lives in my condo association that has five kids. they don't have jobs. they're there all the time. i bet you can guess what color they are. >> i was called islammophobe the other day. no, i'm not afraid of them. i don't like them. >> that is on the radio. when that came out he was fired and promptly hired by the super pac working with the president which sends a message what they view as tolerable and not doable. >> that's exactly right. this is what the problem is, trump basically is surrounded and has hired racist homophobes, mercenaries as i say amateur mercenaries and criminals. that's what this administration has come down to at this point. the double standard for everything this guy has said about black people literally applies to donald trump. literally. >> a culture of lax morality. tara, chris lu, and betsy woodruff, thank you for joining us.
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thing 1 tonight, we've all seen how obsessed our president is with building a wall on the southern border. he's been very specific about the fact it has to be a real wall. we already have quite a bit of fencing along the border with
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mexico, but no, that is not good enough. >> they all say the fence. first of all, we're going to build a wall and it's going to be a real wall. okay? >> it's not a fence, it's a wall. you just misreported. we're going to build a wall. >> it has to be built. a properly built constructed built wall high not a little fence like they would have. >> definitely a wall, not a fence. but here's the thing, along the way trump got even more specific about the wall. >> you think of a wall as a wall. but honestly, you do need some see-through ability. >> you need to have a great wall but it has to be -- has to be see-through. >> we want vision and be able to see through who is on the other side of the wall. >> so a wall you can see through. well, there's a name for a see-through wall. that's thing 2 in 60 seconds. ♪
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along with several construction photos. first of all, no, that is not the start of construction on trump's border wall. those photos are part of a project in calexico, california, it's been in the works nine years. and it's to replace a little over two miles of existing wall built from recycled sheet metal. and second, take a closer look what they're replacing the old wall with. customs and border patrol calls the replacement a bollard style wall, a bollard is a post. it's a wall made out of posts otherwise known as a fence. they are literally taking down an existing wall and replacing it with a fence which is also another way of describing what you might call a see-through wall. in just over a year, president trump has managed to reinvent the concept of a fence and gosh darn it, he is going to get that built. >> we need walls. we started building our wall, i'm so proud of it. we're getting that sucker built. you think that's easy? people said, oh, has he given up
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of there are massive problems was criminal justice in america of course, but every once in awhile there's a story i find especially infuriating. this is one of them. a texas woman was just sentenced to five years in prison for voting illegally in 2016. five years. crystal mason has argued her illegal vote was an accident. shortly before the 2016 election, you see, she had been released from federal prison serving just under three years
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for tax fraud. she was released under community supervision but says she was never told according to texas law, you can't vote while still under supervision. so on election day she cast a provisional ballot and that decision has landed her back in prison for five years. mason said at the time of her arrest you think i would jeopardize my freedom? who would as a mother and provider leave their kids over voting? the fort worth star telegram report she was taken to jail. at the conclusion of her trial small children waved and said bye-bye, big ma. mason's attorneys filed for an appeal. it's clear she did break the law and ignorance of the law is no excuse. what should her punishment be? this example in iowa intentionally voed twice for donald trump because she said the polls are rigged. she was sentenced to two years probation and $750 fine or this former colorado republican chairman steve curtis a talk radio host who claimed during the election only democrats
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>> she is a bully, she needs to be held accountable. a bully is a bully, and held accountable. that is what we are really trying to do here. >> parkland shooting survirve will not back down. hagg's response, since then, 11 companies have announced plans to drop ads, not because of a political position, because she
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was personally attacking a kid, who has chosen to get active after surviving a mass murder at a school. it seems portions of the right, found and threatened by the kids are trying to find an alternate reality, that they were out for a navar yis purpose other than saving their own lives. >> why are people losing their minds? >> this is nothing unusual for the conservative media. this is how they respond to everyone and everything. these kids are tell their story and highlight it. >> what sparked it was the mark. >> simmering contempt for the
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kids. they show up to protest trump, and the nra. the national review put hagg up as a demi god. and the problem with ingram, she fell into it. they pick a villain to dehumannize. completely dehumannize and jumped the rails into this weird social bullying that had nothing to do with guns. >> if you look at what the kids have done in a month since the shooting. they have literally changed the play book and create a move am. they are able to get florida to pass a state legislature to turn a bill into a law. that is amazing. nra got dropped by dealt aunited, by dick's. these kids are making things
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happen in a way that we have never seen before. >> i want to be clear. ingram, to me, more petty than vile. it wasn't disgusting what she said to him. then, there is the washington times, hagg would have made a good shirt. >> and gonzalez was ripping up, they doctored it to make it look like she was ripping up the constitution. they have become -- the thing i do understand, is the idea because you have gone through a horrible trauma they are correct about what your pols policy position is. what i think the people on the right feel is being put out there. the victims 911. for guantanamo bay and iraq. people who lost people in car accidents, killed by
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unauthorized immigrants, were for donald trump and building a wall. because you suffered a trauma, does not mean you are right. we all agree. the way to go after that is not to go after the people. we didn't see people going after the family members. this is who they are. >> thinking about, she hadn't gone after a child before, the first time, in the refugees, she was decrying the fact that we were giving them resources and food. and started playing the taco bell commercial. her point was to attack the kids. who are in extremely bad situation. and say that it was our policies encouraging them to do that that was not abnormal for her to do
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that. this is her default. >> one student who they have on a lot from parkland. i haven't seen any liberal -- >> i think to myself, i don't know anything about his family, i think he is great. >> good for you. you feel differently. go to it. >>. >> i think that this movement is being lead by kids. which we have not seen, when bee talk about gun control, they are getting things done. they grew up in the internet era they grew up reading -- they grew up reading "harry potter." students can change the face of history. this is what they know. >> if you ever been on a subway, roasted by teenager, i feel like that is what we are watching. then there is a weird, crazy
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version of the right. the shooter was a victim of bullying. this is a real thing. the disgusting idea that murderer was a victim of bullying and the. and leap frogging it. >> the nra, they accepted they are not going to do it. we are going to bypass them, going to people with power over them. they didn't appeal to fox new says. please, they accepted that they have to bypass it. >> and move on. >> fox new its, we are going to get it where it hurts. >> this is the problem now. once the advertisers leave, they don't come back. rush limbaugh, he has never covered, bill o'reilly doesn't
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have a job. a fraction of the advertisers they had. fox news will say, we will bring new advertisers. who will want to be in the laura ingram show? >> she went after kids and a teenager, in an awful way. it is really, that is what are you going to go after? >> there is something, i think you are right. what is it that is driving people insane? >> just over a month. look how successful they have been. >> after sitting and watching, you know. you know. >> nothing happens. >> days of grief and move on. >> they are not interested in persuading them. not to persuade those they may
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lose, they are trying to keep the their people together. >> that is a testament to how effective they have been. >> a colony and a nation, out on paperback, what donald trump mean whs he talks about law and order. it seems relevant. that is all this evening. here is rachael. >> we are in the middle of a swirl of international news and international intrigue, involving to what is becoming a big fight between russia and a fairly united west. it has this unexpected modern twist of our own government being a bit of a question mark, block box in that two-sided fight. richard has a lot of

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